From My Cold, Dead, but Still Shaking Hands

 

“Belief” in “climate change” is a signifier of a vast raft of opinions and stances. Those who “deny” are guilty of ecocide, the primary sin of our time. It supersedes all other sins, because it is existential murder of the broadest sense.

The issue at hand is a Canadian study – of course – advising that people should drink less coffee to combat climate change. 

Canadian researchers analyzed coffee’s “contribution to climate change” in a piece published in early January and suggested people moderate their consumption of the popular drink as a part of the solution.

Researchers Luciano Rodrigues Viana, Charles Marty, Jean-François Boucher and Pierre-Luc Dessureault wrote in an analysis published in The Conversation that pollution from preparing coffee was “just the tip of the iceberg.”

“Limiting your contribution to climate change requires an adapted diet, and coffee is no exception. Choosing a mode of coffee preparation that emits less GHGs (greenhouse gases) and moderating your consumption are part of the solution,” the researchers at the University of Quebec at Chicoutimi wrote.

Naturally, people on Twitter responded with pledges to drink more coffee, and that made the perpetually-concerned steam up like a good macchina.  It gave them something to be Mad About Online, but it also puts them in a difficult position: knowing this, how can they drink coffee now?

Well, they can drink less! We all have to make sacrifices. Okay, good – but that’s a start, right? You’re going to taper down to nothing, right? Because if coffee contributes to the problem, then the elimination of the coffee trade would go a long way toward solving the problem. So there are two things we need to talk about.

  1. Heavy taxes on coffee. I mean, heavy. That five-dollar Americano ought to be ten. The extra money can go into a fund that helps other nations transition away from coffee production. Juan Valdez can learn to code! This legislative push should include regulations that discourage new coffee shops, which will confine coffee sales to the large chains that can augment the loss of coffee revenue with other products.
  2. Transition to coffee substitutes. Chicory and mushroom powder, with added protein from insects, would be healthier and more sustainable. The chains would have the resources to scale up demand, and transition the population to non-harm beverages.
  3. You need to make your friends and family aware of the global harm caused by coffee. Start with a suggestion – say, did you know that Canadian science says coffee is a contributor to climate change? and see if they change their habits of their own accord. If not, confront them when they serve coffee, and ask why they’re unwilling to take this small step to save the climate. If they continue, decline to visit their home and cut off social contact, because maybe if it’s a choice between coffee and seeing their grandchildren, they’ll come around.

People who have a taste for direct action should consider the following:

Sit-ins at school canteens until everyone is aware of the deleterious effects of coffee production. This may include occupying the kitchen, and adulterating the coffee urns with unpleasant-tasting fluids. This should coincide with educational sessions about the colonialist history of coffee production;  how the creamery industry uses white supremacism to occupy the body of Black cups of coffee; how sugared coffee surfaces the trauma of industrialized imperialism in the tropics. Note: this will only be effective in institutions of higher learning, or people who have been instructed at these places. 

The difficulty inherent in this process is that the people most likely to agree, i.e., the highly educated, will be the most likely to be working at the place where coffee is solved, adding “false consciousness” to the problems we must overcome.

Putting pressure on Starbucks and Dunkin’ Donuts with protests, including blocking the sidewalk, gluing the locks of doors, and defacement of the paintings and posters inside the stores. Coffee houses have been normalized as societally acceptable, but once they are redefined as spaces where people have to confront the consequences of their choices, they will be seen as dens of iniquity. This will also compel the chains to transition more swiftly to sustainable beverages.

Anyone who does not endorse the ideas above is directly contributing to the death of the planet, and should be treated accordingly. This is an emergency, and there is no time for half-and-half measures.

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  1. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    I never patronize Starbucks. Partly because of the politics, but also because they can’t seem to not overroast their beans. Even when claiming a light or medium roast. Blegh. Terrible coffee.

    But this makes me want to step in and buy an Americano while proclaiming loudly how I love ruining the planet by drinking coffee. Might switch it up and proclaim loudly how I hate myself for ruining the planet by drinking coffee.

    Not sure which would produce more cognitive dissonance in the wokists who inhabit Starbucks.

    Perhaps a mental health professional can drum up some business addressing the nexus between guilt and addiction among coffee drinkers. 

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  2. Joker Member
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    Dave, I think you’ve spotted an opportunity here. I could see a whole industry springing up to help the woke coffee drinkers wean themselves. Maybe burning incense – oh wait. Or lighting up a joint -on wait. Or flying to Burning Man – oh wait. Or firing up the gas oven to make some of those special brownies – oh wait… Eventually it leads to the harmless Thumb Sucking Therapy.

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  3. Jim McConnell Member
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    Joker (View Comment):

    This makes me think we’ve hit peak climate change research. Way too much money sloshing around to develop theories that make us feel guilty and ashamed of ourselves just for living our lives.

    Ever notice that there’s no climate change objective? There’s no point at which society has adjusted enough to make them shut up and leave us alone. Is there any harm to the planet that is too slight to worry about?

    They’ve fully transitioned from scientific endeavor to religion.

    Yes. And that’s true of so many “causes,” as well as government programs; if a solution is reached, those folks are out of a job. And I think they can’t help but notice that.

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  4. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Joker (View Comment):

    This makes me think we’ve hit peak climate change research. Way too much money sloshing around to develop theories that make us feel guilty and ashamed of ourselves just for living our lives.

    Ever notice that there’s no climate change objective? There’s no point at which society has adjusted enough to make them shut up and leave us alone. Is there any harm to the planet that is too slight to worry about?

    They’ve fully transitioned from scientific endeavor to religion.

    That happened a while back.

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  5. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    ?

    Vy ahr vee alvees zee batt geyes?

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    ?

    Vy ahr vee alvees zee batt geyes?

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  7. Miffed White Male Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    James Lileks: Coffee houses have been normalized as societally acceptable, but once they are redefined as spaces where people have to confront the consequences of their choices, they will be seen as dens of iniquity.

    A few centuries ago in Europe coffeehouses were looked down upon, but not because of the coffee itself. It’s because people from all walks of life got together and talked to each other, spreading ideas and gossip.

    How does that differ from a Pub?

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  8. Judge Mental Member
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    I don’t know if anyone made this point already (I skipped some comments) but any human activity can be said to impact climate change.  If we give up everything, and just stand in a pasture all day eating grass, we’re still reducing the plant biomass and therefore the planets ability to capture CO2.  It’s simply a matter of scale.  That many people doing anything will have an effect.

    Nothing will satisfy them other than killing off most of the population.  Not themselves, of course.  The planet needs them.

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  9. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    I don’t know if anyone made this point already (I skipped some comments) but any human activity can be said to impact climate change. If we give up everything, and just stand in a pasture all day eating grass, we’re still reducing the plant biomass and therefore the planets ability to capture CO2. It’s simply a matter of scale. That many people doing anything will have an effect.

    Nothing will satisfy them other than killing off most of the population. Not themselves, of course. The planet needs them.

    Yes, people are pollution. As I commented elsewhere, Thanos is the ideal climate activist. 

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  10. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    James Lileks: Coffee houses have been normalized as societally acceptable, but once they are redefined as spaces where people have to confront the consequences of their choices, they will be seen as dens of iniquity.

    A few centuries ago in Europe coffeehouses were looked down upon, but not because of the coffee itself. It’s because people from all walks of life got together and talked to each other, spreading ideas and gossip.

    How does that differ from a Pub?

    What you’re saying makes more sense the more you drink. In a pub it’s the other way around.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that!

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  11. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    I never patronize Starbucks. Partly because of the politics, but also because they can’t seem to not overroast their beans. Even when claiming a light or medium roast. Blegh. Terrible coffee.

    But this makes me want to step in and buy an Americano while proclaiming loudly how I love ruining the planet by drinking coffee. Might switch it up and proclaim loudly how I hate myself for ruining the planet by drinking coffee.

    Not sure which would produce more cognitive dissonance in the wokists who inhabit Starbucks.

    My son has worked for Starbucks for almost 20 years. Starting as a barista, now running a production line at the factory in Seattle. He’s a Certified Taster, which is the coffee equivalent of a sommelier. When I saw him last October, he was unhappy with the level of training given to baristas; they often didn’t appreciate how easy it was to ruin a cup. There’s an art to doing it right and keeping it coming.

    Brian sends me special beans from time to time. I’m lucky, there are several local roasters in Rochester. I get most of my beans from Joe Bean Roasters, with whom I have a little history; the couple that owns it were the first folks married here at Robin Hill, before we even thought of it as a wedding venue. They single-source their coffee, traveling to and working with the farmers, and the beans you buy were roasted the day before. You can tell the difference. Brian was impressed.

     

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  12. Stad Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    I never patronize Starbucks. Partly because of the politics, but also because they can’t seem to not overroast their beans. Even when claiming a light or medium roast. Blegh. Terrible coffee.

    But this makes me want to step in and buy an Americano while proclaiming loudly how I love ruining the planet by drinking coffee. Might switch it up and proclaim loudly how I hate myself for ruining the planet by drinking coffee.

    Not sure which would produce more cognitive dissonance in the wokists who inhabit Starbucks.

    Ordering is always an ordeal.

    “Large black coffee.”

    “Do you mean a venti Caffè Americano?”

    “Large. Black. Coffee.”

    Don’t make me come back there and get it myself.

    The first (and only) time I was ever in a Starbucks was in Denver a few years ago.  My wife and I were meeting Kelly Maher from the LadyBrains podcast fame.  When I got up to place my order (Kelly’s treat!), I asked if I could have a plain coffee with Sweet & Low and half-and-half.  The gal said, “Sure!”  No problem with a simple order . . .

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  13. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    And if any of you are ever in Augsburg, the best Kaffee in town is to be found at MAK Kaffee Afrika in Karlsstraße. Part of the reason I say this is selbstverständlich that the owners- Alan and Katrin Mutagwaba- are members in the same Pentacostal church as me, but also that we are unusually demanding in our coffee taste. Get your Tanzanian peaberry from a real Tanzanian or not at all.

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  14. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    And if any of you are ever in Augsburg, the best Kaffee in town is to be found at MAK Kaffee Afrika in Karlsstraße. Part of the reason I say this is selbstverständlich that the owners- Alan and Katrin Mutagwaba- are members in the same Pentacostal church as me, but also that we are unusually demanding in our coffee taste. Get your Tanzanian peaberry from a real Tanzanian or not at all.

    If I had the opportunity, that is an experience I would not miss.

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  15. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    James Lileks: Coffee houses have been normalized as societally acceptable, but once they are redefined as spaces where people have to confront the consequences of their choices, they will be seen as dens of iniquity.

    A few centuries ago in Europe coffeehouses were looked down upon, but not because of the coffee itself. It’s because people from all walks of life got together and talked to each other, spreading ideas and gossip.

    I’m a member of the LDS community and I get scolded when I suggest there were very good and legitimate reasons that coffee, along with alcoholic beverages, was on the prohibited list in the Word of Wisdom presented to Church members by Joseph Smith. Coffee houses along with bars are where people engage most liberally in freedom of speech and often new ideas emerge and are developed. It also is a likely source of leading people away from their religious beliefs, as has been pointed out here when discussing the effects of the enlightenment. Maybe internet needs to be added.

    Are these venues not locations having major influences on culture changes along with public education?

    I suppose cafes serving hot chocolate or fruit juice would also have been banned, if they had existed at the time.

    Although you mention Joseph Smith, Klaus Schwab and confreres also want to control what we peons can say to each other.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    James Lileks: Coffee houses have been normalized as societally acceptable, but once they are redefined as spaces where people have to confront the consequences of their choices, they will be seen as dens of iniquity.

    A few centuries ago in Europe coffeehouses were looked down upon, but not because of the coffee itself. It’s because people from all walks of life got together and talked to each other, spreading ideas and gossip.

    I’m a member of the LDS community and I get scolded when I suggest there were very good and legitimate reasons that coffee, along with alcoholic beverages, was on the prohibited list in the Word of Wisdom presented to Church members by Joseph Smith. Coffee houses along with bars are where people engage most liberally in freedom of speech and often new ideas emerge and are developed. It also is a likely source of leading people away from their religious beliefs, as has been pointed out here when discussing the effects of the enlightenment. Maybe internet needs to be added.

    Are these venues not locations having major influences on culture changes along with public education?

    I suppose cafes serving hot chocolate or fruit juice would also have been banned, if they had existed at the time.

    Although you mention Joseph Smith, Klaus Schwab and confreres also want to control what we peons can say to each other.

    The people Joseph Smith was worried about might have been wanting to talk about what an odd person Joseph Smith seemed to be.  And the same might be true for Klaus Schwab.

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  17. Bob Thompson Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    James Lileks: Coffee houses have been normalized as societally acceptable, but once they are redefined as spaces where people have to confront the consequences of their choices, they will be seen as dens of iniquity.

    A few centuries ago in Europe coffeehouses were looked down upon, but not because of the coffee itself. It’s because people from all walks of life got together and talked to each other, spreading ideas and gossip.

    I’m a member of the LDS community and I get scolded when I suggest there were very good and legitimate reasons that coffee, along with alcoholic beverages, was on the prohibited list in the Word of Wisdom presented to Church members by Joseph Smith. Coffee houses along with bars are where people engage most liberally in freedom of speech and often new ideas emerge and are developed. It also is a likely source of leading people away from their religious beliefs, as has been pointed out here when discussing the effects of the enlightenment. Maybe internet needs to be added.

    Are these venues not locations having major influences on culture changes along with public education?

    I suppose cafes serving hot chocolate or fruit juice would also have been banned, if they had existed at the time.

    Although you mention Joseph Smith, Klaus Schwab and confreres also want to control what we peons can say to each other.

    The people Joseph Smith was worried about might have been wanting to talk about what an odd person Joseph Smith seemed to be. And the same might be true for Klaus Schwab.

    Schwab might find it difficult to stop the people from getting together and talking so his working on taking some measures to make sure to curtail their freedom of speech and make traveling more difficult.

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  18. Miffed White Male Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    I never patronize Starbucks. Partly because of the politics, but also because they can’t seem to not overroast their beans. Even when claiming a light or medium roast. Blegh. Terrible coffee.

    But this makes me want to step in and buy an Americano while proclaiming loudly how I love ruining the planet by drinking coffee. Might switch it up and proclaim loudly how I hate myself for ruining the planet by drinking coffee.

    Not sure which would produce more cognitive dissonance in the wokists who inhabit Starbucks.

    Ordering is always an ordeal.

    “Large black coffee.”

    “Do you mean a venti Caffè Americano?”

    “Large. Black. Coffee.”

    Don’t make me come back there and get it myself.

    The first (and only) time I was ever in a Starbucks was in Denver a few years ago. My wife and I were meeting Kelly Maher from the LadyBrains podcast fame. When I got up to place my order (Kelly’s treat!), I asked if I could have a plain coffe with Sweet & Low and half-and-half. The gal said, “Sure!” No problem with a simple order . . .

    The only drink I’ve ever gotten at a starbucks is the hot chocolate (I had a gift card).

     

     

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  19. Percival Thatcher
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    I never patronize Starbucks. Partly because of the politics, but also because they can’t seem to not overroast their beans. Even when claiming a light or medium roast. Blegh. Terrible coffee.

    But this makes me want to step in and buy an Americano while proclaiming loudly how I love ruining the planet by drinking coffee. Might switch it up and proclaim loudly how I hate myself for ruining the planet by drinking coffee.

    Not sure which would produce more cognitive dissonance in the wokists who inhabit Starbucks.

    Ordering is always an ordeal.

    “Large black coffee.”

    “Do you mean a venti Caffè Americano?”

    “Large. Black. Coffee.”

    Don’t make me come back there and get it myself.

    The first (and only) time I was ever in a Starbucks was in Denver a few years ago. My wife and I were meeting Kelly Maher from the LadyBrains podcast fame. When I got up to place my order (Kelly’s treat!), I asked if I could have a plain coffe with Sweet & Low and half-and-half. The gal said, “Sure!” No problem with a simple order . . .

    The only drink I’ve ever gotten at a starbucks is the hot chocolate (I had a gift card).

     

     

    I don’t think I’ve been in one since I worked in downtown Chicago, and that’s been fifteen years.

    Dunkin’ Donuts had better joe. Cheaper too. No lip, either.

    Plus donuts.

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  20. The Reticulator Member
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):
    They single-source their coffee, traveling to and working with the farmers, and the beans you buy were roasted the day before.

    There is a difference, but with some beans and some of the lighter roasts I think it takes more than one day after the roast for them to be at their best. My sense of taste is not as good as your son’s, though, and is not improving with age. 

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  21. Doug Watt Member
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    I don’t about coffee and its effect on the planet, but I can assure you that no one wants to deal with a nicotine and caffeine starved police officer. Sometimes both were needed after some calls to take a moment or two to make Officer Friendly reappear in the middle of a shift.

    Unless of course if you want overweight and angry police officers.

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  22. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    I don’t about coffee and its effect on the planet, but I can assure you that no one wants to deal with a nicotine and caffeine starved police officer. Sometimes both were needed after some calls to take a moment or two to make Officer Friendly reappear in the middle of a shift.

    Unless of course if you want overweight and angry police officers.

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  23. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    I suppose cafes serving hot chocolate or fruit juice would also have been banned, if they had existed at the time.

    When King Charles II of England banned coffeehouses, he also banned shops from selling chocolate, sherbet, and tea.  Here is the first paragraph of the proclamation.

    Whereas it is most apparent, that the Multitude of Coffee-Houses of late years set up and kept within the Kingdom, the Dominion of Wales, and the Town of Berwick on Tweed, and the great resort of Idle and disaffected persons to them, have produced very evil and dangerous effects; as well for that many Tradesmen and others, do therein mis-spend much of their time, which might and probably would otherwise by imployed in and about their Lawful Callings and Affairs; but also, for that in such houses, and by occasion of the meetings of such persons therein, diverse False, Malitious and Scandalous Reports are devised and spread abroad, to the Defamation of His Majesties Government, and to the Disturbance of the Peace and Quiet of the Realm; his Majesty hath thought it fit and necessary, That the said Coffee-houses be (for the future) put down and supressed, and doth (with the Advice of his Privy council) by this Royal Proclamation, Strictly Charge and Command all manner of persons, That they or any of them do not presume from and after the Tenth Day of January next ensuing, to keep any Publick Coffee-house, or to Utter or sell by retail, in his, her, or their house or houses (to be spent or consumed within the same) any Coffee, Chocolet, Sherbett or Tea, as they will answer the contrary at their utmost perils.

     

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    I don’t about coffee and its effect on the planet, but I can assure you that no one wants to deal with a nicotine and caffeine starved police officer. Sometimes both were needed after some calls to take a moment or two to make Officer Friendly reappear in the middle of a shift.

    Unless of course if you want overweight and angry police officers.

     

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  25. Django Member
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    Coffee If You're Not Shaking You Need Another Cup Funny Poster (With images) | Funny coffee ...

    Seen on the wall at Stan’s Donuts, Homestead Road, Santa Clara, CA. 

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  26. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    I suppose cafes serving hot chocolate or fruit juice would also have been banned, if they had existed at the time.

    When King Charles II of England banned coffeehouses, he also banned shops from selling chocolate, sherbet, and tea. Here is the first paragraph of the proclamation.

    Whereas it is most apparent, that the Multitude of Coffee-Houses of late years set up and kept within the Kingdom, the Dominion of Wales, and the Town of Berwick on Tweed, and the great resort of Idle and disaffected persons to them, have produced very evil and dangerous effects; as well for that many Tradesmen and others, do therein mis-spend much of their time, which might and probably would otherwise by imployed in and about their Lawful Callings and Affairs; but also, for that in such houses, and by occasion of the meetings of such persons therein, diverse False, Malitious and Scandalous Reports are devised and spread abroad, to the Defamation of His Majesties Government, and to the Disturbance of the Peace and Quiet of the Realm; his Majesty hath thought it fit and necessary, That the said Coffee-houses be (for the future) put down and supressed, and doth (with the Advice of his Privy council) by this Royal Proclamation, Strictly Charge and Command all manner of persons, That they or any of them do not presume from and after the Tenth Day of January next ensuing, to keep any Publick Coffee-house, or to Utter or sell by retail, in his, her, or their house or houses (to be spent or consumed within the same) any Coffee, Chocolet, Sherbett or Tea, as they will answer the contrary at their utmost perils.

     

    When you consider that coffee was taxed the same as beer, which meant it had to be prepared the day before then re-boiled, he might have had a point about their utmost perils.

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  27. Stad Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    I suppose cafes serving hot chocolate or fruit juice would also have been banned, if they had existed at the time.

    When King Charles II of England banned coffeehouses, he also banned shops from selling chocolate, sherbet, and tea. Here is the first paragraph of the proclamation.

    Whereas it is most apparent, that the Multitude of Coffee-Houses of late years set up and kept within the Kingdom, the Dominion of Wales, and the Town of Berwick on Tweed, and the great resort of Idle and disaffected persons to them, have produced very evil and dangerous effects; as well for that many Tradesmen and others, do therein mis-spend much of their time, which might and probably would otherwise by imployed in and about their Lawful Callings and Affairs; but also, for that in such houses, and by occasion of the meetings of such persons therein, diverse False, Malitious and Scandalous Reports are devised and spread abroad, to the Defamation of His Majesties Government, and to the Disturbance of the Peace and Quiet of the Realm; his Majesty hath thought it fit and necessary, That the said Coffee-houses be (for the future) put down and supressed, and doth (with the Advice of his Privy council) by this Royal Proclamation, Strictly Charge and Command all manner of persons, That they or any of them do not presume from and after the Tenth Day of January next ensuing, to keep any Publick Coffee-house, or to Utter or sell by retail, in his, her, or their house or houses (to be spent or consumed within the same) any Coffee, Chocolet, Sherbett or Tea, as they will answer the contrary at their utmost perils.

     

    Another King Charles to be taken to the scaffold . . .

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  28. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):
    I suppose cafes serving hot chocolate or fruit juice would also have been banned, if they had existed at the time.

    When King Charles II of England banned coffeehouses, he also banned shops from selling chocolate, sherbet, and tea. Here is the first paragraph of the proclamation.

    Whereas it is most apparent, that the Multitude of Coffee-Houses of late years set up and kept within the Kingdom, the Dominion of Wales, and the Town of Berwick on Tweed, and the great resort of Idle and disaffected persons to them, have produced very evil and dangerous effects; as well for that many Tradesmen and others, do therein mis-spend much of their time, which might and probably would otherwise by imployed in and about their Lawful Callings and Affairs; but also, for that in such houses, and by occasion of the meetings of such persons therein, diverse False, Malitious and Scandalous Reports are devised and spread abroad, to the Defamation of His Majesties Government, and to the Disturbance of the Peace and Quiet of the Realm; his Majesty hath thought it fit and necessary, That the said Coffee-houses be (for the future) put down and supressed, and doth (with the Advice of his Privy council) by this Royal Proclamation, Strictly Charge and Command all manner of persons, That they or any of them do not presume from and after the Tenth Day of January next ensuing, to keep any Publick Coffee-house, or to Utter or sell by retail, in his, her, or their house or houses (to be spent or consumed within the same) any Coffee, Chocolet, Sherbett or Tea, as they will answer the contrary at their utmost perils.

    Another King Charles to be taken to the scaffold . . .

    Don’t you think 1 out of 3 is enough?

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  29. W Bob Member
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    “There’s nothing those bastards don’t have.”

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  30. Sisyphus Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    I don’t know if anyone made this point already (I skipped some comments) but any human activity can be said to impact climate change. If we give up everything, and just stand in a pasture all day eating grass, we’re still reducing the plant biomass and therefore the planets ability to capture CO2. It’s simply a matter of scale. That many people doing anything will have an effect.

    Nothing will satisfy them other than killing off most of the population. Not themselves, of course. The planet needs them.

    Yes, people are pollution. As I commented elsewhere, Thanos is the ideal climate activist.

    Thanos was a piker, always calling for half measures!

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