Dude

 

This is, well, nuts. We’re not going to have a do-over. Everyone knows it. Surely he knows it. If he wants to run again rehashing 2020 in every speech, he’s certainly entitled to do so, and see if it resonates. But there’s something else here.

Put me down in the “not terminating all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” camp.

Granted; don’t think he wants to terminate all rules and regulations. Just the ones that impede reinstallation. How this would be done is left to our imagination, but perhaps Congress can vote to override the Constitution just this once? Because something happened that required capital letters?

There’s Very Stable Genius territory, and then there’s this.

Before anyone says he’s just being him, you anti-Trumpers are obsessed – he’s a candidate for the Presidency. They have to take an oath about protecting and defending the Constitution, right? Or are we back to calling the Constitution’s defenders vellum fetishists? 

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  1. Headedwest Coolidge
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    @Headedwest

    genferei (View Comment):

    So what do you do when you think there is credible and growing evidence of widespread fraud and deception, including colluding with Big Tech? Just move on? Isn’t history supposed to be that thing all the smart folks tell us we’re supposed to learn from?

    In polite society one doesn’t brag, one doesn’t bluster, and one certainly shouldn’t be a sore loser. I’m not sure that’s how you defend a democracy.

    Democracy is the Democrats’ word for the one-party Marxist system they desire.

    I wish people would start referring to what’s left of our country as the Republic. 

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  2. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    There’s one Democrat Congressman who communicated with the Twitter management suggesting that they were engaging with federal government officials to censor speech and that might be a First Amendment issue but the Congressman did not go public with his view or raise it in Congress. That was an action outside the Congressional floor that seems then to lead to some dereliction of his duty. Should some action be initiated in the House?

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  3. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    Moderator Note:

    Uncalled for personal attack.

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Gary has joined Principles First but he’s sworn to secrecy.

    [redacted]

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  4. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary has joined Principles First but he’s sworn to secrecy.

    Is that the new pedo club? You know, like the Lincoln Project.

    It’s the only grassroots anti-Trump organization. When they have their convention basically 3/4 of the people on stage get money from Omidyar. Lincoln project people were prominent at the first event. The leader is personal friends with one of those guys. The name escapes me right now. It’s the one in Utah with the fancy house.

    The Twitter feed and the Twitter feed of the leader are getting ridiculous. They think exactly like Gary. They like Murkowski, McMullen, and they are for ranked choice voting. etc. It looks bizarre to anybody with ordinary conservative sensibilities.

    I think on a local basis and with any communication forums, they pretty much operate in secret. 

    They talk like they are going to ramp the operation up.

    • #64
  5. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    James Lileks:

    Put me down in the “not terminating all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” camp.

    Granted; don’t think he wants to terminate all rules and regulations. Just the ones that impede reinstallation. How this would be done is left to our imagination, but perhaps Congress can vote to override the Constitution just this once? Because something happened that required capital letters?

    I don’t have a Twitter account, so I can’t answer this on my own. Has he clarified this statement?

    The statement is not clear. I think he is referring here to all of the executive orders and actions the Biden administration has taken in the last two years, not just the election results.

    The pandemic was just a training exercise for global-warming-crisis enthusiasts. I live in a blue state, so I am acutely aware of where we are heading in the next two years.

    Last week I was engaged briefly with some of the global-warming-crisis supporters in my town over the issue of installing solar panels in our historic district. One townsperson said to me, “So you would rather have the oceans rise than install solar panels?”

    I can’t even begin to argue because we are coming from two entirely different understandings of how things work in the natural world.

    Then there’s the self-inflicted agriculture problems and fertilizer shortages we are heading into. The global food shortages because of the feckless environmentalists. I have heard locally that the cost of electricity might actually double this January. The artful Democrats are just waiting until the holidays are over.*

    Then there’s those 87,000 IRS agents.

    I would love to put us back to where we were when Trump left office. If there were any justice at all, we would push a reset button somehow.

    The New Green Deal the Democrats are pushing could absolutely result in a global third world war.

    The two things I admire about Trump, and I certainly didn’t see this when he ran for office except within his extremely clear objections to the Iran Deal, are his foresight and judgment. He saved the world from 5G. He is a lot smarter than he sounds. I don’t want him to leave the scene. He refuses say that right is wrong and wrong is right. We need such clarity right now.

    Not moving to get the radical Democrats out and undo some of their destructive policies would be a huge mistake borne of petty considerations that are not seeing the global situation accurately and our position within it.

     

    Edited: I made a mistake. Those bills are skyrocketing right now. Wow.

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  6. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Here’s a question.

    Should any elected federal official (or staff members) or federal appointees and bureaucrats who knew that Twitter was coordinating with federal officials to censor speech about matters that might affect the pending election have gone public with that information?

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  7. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Last week I was engaged briefly with some of the global-warming-crisis supporters in my town over the issue of installing solar panels in our historic district. One townsperson said to me, “So you would rather have the oceans rise than install solar panels?” 

    I can’t even begin to argue because we are coming from two entirely different understandings of how things work in the natural world. 

    Then there’s the self-inflicted agriculture problems and fertilizer shortages we are heading into. The global food shortages because of the feckless environmentalists. I have heard locally that the cost of electricity might actually double this January. The artful Democrats are just waiting until the holidays are over. 

     

     

     

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  8. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
    Gossamer Cat
    @GossamerCat

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m sick of his outrageous comments and making excuses for him. I’m getting very worried. . .

    Ditto.  Agree with Henry’s comment #9

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I am eager for someone else — someone who has the pugnacity of Trump but the judgment of an adult

    We actually do have these people in the Republican Party.  We have several excellent candidates despite what some are saying here.  My big fear is that Trump will sabotage them if he loses a primary. 

    With Trump we had  tiger by the tail.  Had he been free to govern without the two year Russia gate hoax, the pandemic and its impact on voting laws, we’d still have him by the tail and the country would be far better off as his destructive tendencies would be focused on those things that need some disruption.  But he has become untethered.  Unlike Nixon, there is no group of Republicans who can go to him and say “Please, Donald, for the good of the country step aside.”   Maybe his children could but I’m not sure even of that.  

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  9. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    And in making this decision, I really wish the Republicans would take a cold look at our Treasury funds. We all have indicators we watch. Mine is the hysteria of the IRS. Those 87,000 new armed agents suggest to me that Biden is running out of cash.

    I think someone should have look.

    These last two years have been insane. As good as they are at politics, the Democrats are that bad at executive management.

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  10. Happy Grandma Lincoln
    Happy Grandma
    @jam

    Didn’t read all of the comments. But if I remember correctly, one of Trump’s negotiation tactics is to ask for more than what you want, then make concessions to get what you want. Perhaps he’s doing that here? If so, then what does he really want?

    • #70
  11. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    MarciN (View Comment):

    And in making this decision, I really wish the Republicans would take a cold look at our Treasury funds. We all have indicators we watch. Mine is the hysteria of the IRS. Those 87,000 new armed agents suggest to me that Biden is running out of cash.

    I think someone should have look.

    These last two years have been insane. As good as they are at politics, they are that bad at executive management.

    The two Democrat Biden policies killing America: Spending and Energy.

    • #71
  12. Old Bathos Member
    Old Bathos
    @OldBathos

    Liberals expanded the federal government with a wildly elastic notion of the commerce clause. Liberal judges gave us a “right” to abortion and mandatory race quotas. But those constitutional abuses would pale in comparison to an extra-legal voiding of a presidential election without process or proof.  

    Precisely because Trump has opted for assertions without quantitified hard proof in support of a grossly unlawful outcome, it has allowed liberals and Republican quislings to dismiss and block legitimate efforts to examine abuses in detail.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    I’m not enthused about any politicians or candidates that aren’t genuinely intellectually curious about the constitution and civics. It wasn’t a big deal with Trump for a long time.

    • #73
  14. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Gary:

    Glen Elmers and Pedro Gonzales. Discuss. 

    • #74
  15. Hang On 🚫 Banned
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    And Trump didn’t win in 2020.  Time to grow up.

    Thanks for demonstrating that you are Fraud-Denier #1.

    • #75
  16. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    @Dbroussa

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Liberals expanded the federal government with a wildly elastic notion of the commerce clause. Liberal judges gave us a “right” to abortion and mandatory race quotas. But those constitutional abuses would pale in comparison to an extra-legal voiding of a presidential election without process or proof.

    Precisely because Trump has opted for assertions without quantitified hard proof in support of a grossly unlawful outcome, it has allowed liberals and Republican quislings to dismiss and block legitimate efforts to examine abuses in detail.

    What more proof do you need?  Saint Augustine laid out clearly that the number of illegally counted votes exceeded the margin of victory in multiple states such that it is impossible to say if Biden legitimately won the election. In a decent world instead of the “safest election ever” garbage we were treated to we would have done something prior to the certification of the election. Instead, we get our second President in 20 years who likely didn’t win their election but was inaugurated. One proved to up to the task, the other…not so much. 

    Since we didn’t get a resolution to an election that was in doubt, and the normal remedy for said election, then…it would be next to ensure that such activities cannot take place again. From private funding of election activities, to curing only one parties mail ballots, to having better protections to ensure that illegitimate ballots aren’t counted, etc., all of that should be stopped. Some states took some action, but it also required the feckless party to wake up and realize that the election landscape had changed and they need to change with it. Much like in 16 Trump was a result of the GOP and the Dems ignoring a portion of thr electorate, 20 and 22 are a result of the GOP thinking that elections are still about convincing people to vote for their candidates when they aren’t and won’t be in the future. 

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  17. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
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  18. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Its odd, but every allegation Hillary Clinton has made about the 2016 election has been proven false. Yet the media still allows her to service her lies without any push back. Trump’s fears about the 2020 election have now been confirmed, and he’s the election denier? (Notice I said FEARS – Not allegations. A lot of the allegations made by Trump and his legal teams are likely false – but they feared they’d been cheated, but didnt figure out how)

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

    • #78
  19. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Last week I was engaged briefly with some of the global-warming-crisis supporters in my town over the issue of installing solar panels in our historic district. One townsperson said to me, “So you would rather have the oceans rise than install solar panels?”

    I can’t even begin to argue because we are coming from two entirely different understandings of how things work in the natural world.

    The proper response would have been “Yes”.

     

    • #79
  20. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    And Trump didn’t win in 2020. Time to grow up.

    Thanks for demonstrating that you are Fraud-Denier #1.

    No, #2 at best.  Former Trump Attorney General William Barr is #1.

    A small unnoticed fact.  Governors Glenn Youngkin and Ron DeSantis have never bought into the Trump election disputing fantasy.

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  21. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary has joined Principles First but he’s sworn to secrecy.

    Is that the new pedo club? You know, like the Lincoln Project.

    It’s the only grassroots anti-Trump organization. When they have their convention basically 3/4 of the people on stage get money from Omidyar. Lincoln project people were prominent at the first event. The leader is personal friends with one of those guys. The name escapes me right now. It’s the one in Utah with the fancy house.

    The Twitter feed and the Twitter feed of the leader are getting ridiculous. They think exactly like Gary. They like Murkowski, McMullen, and they are for ranked choice voting. etc. It looks bizarre to anybody with ordinary conservative sensibilities.

    I think on a local basis and with any communication forums, they pretty much operate in secret.

    They talk like they are going to ramp the operation up.

    So that’s a ‘yes’.

    • #81
  22. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Here’s a quote from the latest CTH essay by Sundance:

    “Barack Obama and Eric Holder did not create a weaponized DOJ and FBI; the institutions were already weaponized by the Patriot Act.  What Obama and Holder did was take the preexisting system and retool it, so the weapons of government only targeted one side of the political continuum.

    This point is where many people understandably get confused.

    Elevator Speech:

    (1) The Patriot Act turned the intel surveillance radar from foreign searches for terrorists to domestic searches for terrorists.

    (2) Obama/Biden then redefined what is a “terrorist” to include their political opposition.”

    Remember who was President when the Patriot Act was passed. George W. Bush or was it Dick Cheney?

    • #82
  23. Doug Watt Member
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    I doubt that Trump could win enough votes by rehashing the 2020 election to find his way back to the White House. Registered Republicans in America are not as numerous as registered Dems. Independents and blue-collar Dem votes will be necessary to put a Republican into the White House in 2024.

    The Republican majority in the House is slim, and this creates the problem of some House Republicans that forget they are just one Representative out of 435. Big ego’s, far bigger than the landscape of their districts is an old problem in DC.

    The House Dems have their own problems with rehashing the 2020 election. The first order of business for the 2023 House should be to end the January 6 investigation. It’s a sham, and Adam Schiff should have been disbarred, and his law license in California should be revoked for altering text messages that were presented as evidence in the hearings.

    The next order of business should be an investigation into the DC Metro Jail. If we are interested in the Constitution, then holding prisoners without full access to their attorney’s, and the lack of a speedy trial should be a priority. This should include their treatment, and lack of medical care.  

    • #83
  24. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary has joined Principles First but he’s sworn to secrecy.

    Is that the new pedo club? You know, like the Lincoln Project.

    It’s the only grassroots anti-Trump organization. When they have their convention basically 3/4 of the people on stage get money from Omidyar. Lincoln project people were prominent at the first event. The leader is personal friends with one of those guys. The name escapes me right now. It’s the one in Utah with the fancy house.

    The Twitter feed and the Twitter feed of the leader are getting ridiculous. They think exactly like Gary. They like Murkowski, McMullen, and they are for ranked choice voting. etc. It looks bizarre to anybody with ordinary conservative sensibilities.

    I think on a local basis and with any communication forums, they pretty much operate in secret.

    They talk like they are going to ramp the operation up.

    So that’s a ‘yes’.

    lol

    • #84
  25. Old Bathos Member
    Old Bathos
    @OldBathos

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Liberals expanded the federal government with a wildly elastic notion of the commerce clause. Liberal judges gave us a “right” to abortion and mandatory race quotas. But those constitutional abuses would pale in comparison to an extra-legal voiding of a presidential election without process or proof.

    Precisely because Trump has opted for assertions without quantitified hard proof in support of a grossly unlawful outcome, it has allowed liberals and Republican quislings to dismiss and block legitimate efforts to examine abuses in detail.

    What more proof do you need? Saint Augustine laid out clearly that the number of illegally counted votes exceeded the margin of victory in multiple states such that it is impossible to say if Biden legitimately won the election. In a decent world instead of the “safest election ever” garbage we were treated to we would have done something prior to the certification of the election. Instead, we get our second President in 20 years who likely didn’t win their election but was inaugurated. One proved to up to the task, the other…not so much.

    Since we didn’t get a resolution to an election that was in doubt, and the normal remedy for said election, then…it would be next to ensure that such activities cannot take place again. From private funding of election activities, to curing only one parties mail ballots, to having better protections to ensure that illegitimate ballots aren’t counted, etc., all of that should be stopped. Some states took some action, but it also required the feckless party to wake up and realize that the election landscape had changed and they need to change with it. Much like in 16 Trump was a result of the GOP and the Dems ignoring a portion of thr electorate, 20 and 22 are a result of the GOP thinking that elections are still about convincing people to vote for their candidates when they aren’t and won’t be in the future.

    1) Proving that there were bogus ballots does not prove that they all went to a particular candidate (common sense inference does not discharge the burden of proof). 
    2) The illegality has to be established in court before certification. Once certified, it’s forever hold your peace.
    3) The odor is strong. If we can’t figure out how to challenge bogus registrations and undo fraud-enhancing processes, the cheating will continue to succeed.

    • #85
  26. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    What Trump supporters have referred to as the Republican Establishment (GOPe) still controls much of Republican positioning in Washington. Some of them have been involved in crimes against the people over the course of the past two decades. Their presence in power positions, especially in the Senate, enabled the prosecution of false narratives throughout the Trump Presidency and then the federal government participation in activities that influenced the outcome of the 2020 election. 

    Maybe it will be more acceptable if we just recognize Republican Party ineptness in playing right into the hands of the Democrat Progressives and stop saying they were ever smart enough to be complicit in a conspiracy of such magnitude.

    • #86
  27. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Liberals expanded the federal government with a wildly elastic notion of the commerce clause. Liberal judges gave us a “right” to abortion and mandatory race quotas. But those constitutional abuses would pale in comparison to an extra-legal voiding of a presidential election without process or proof.

    Precisely because Trump has opted for assertions without quantitified hard proof in support of a grossly unlawful outcome, it has allowed liberals and Republican quislings to dismiss and block legitimate efforts to examine abuses in detail.

    What more proof do you need? Saint Augustine laid out clearly that the number of illegally counted votes exceeded the margin of victory in multiple states such that it is impossible to say if Biden legitimately won the election. In a decent world instead of the “safest election ever” garbage we were treated to we would have done something prior to the certification of the election. Instead, we get our second President in 20 years who likely didn’t win their election but was inaugurated. One proved to up to the task, the other…not so much.

    Since we didn’t get a resolution to an election that was in doubt, and the normal remedy for said election, then…it would be next to ensure that such activities cannot take place again. From private funding of election activities, to curing only one parties mail ballots, to having better protections to ensure that illegitimate ballots aren’t counted, etc., all of that should be stopped. Some states took some action, but it also required the feckless party to wake up and realize that the election landscape had changed and they need to change with it. Much like in 16 Trump was a result of the GOP and the Dems ignoring a portion of thr electorate, 20 and 22 are a result of the GOP thinking that elections are still about convincing people to vote for their candidates when they aren’t and won’t be in the future.

    1) Proving that there were bogus ballots does not prove that they all went to a particular candidate (common sense inference does not discharge the burden of proof).
    2) The illegality has to be established in court before certification. Once certified, it’s forever hold your peace.
    3) The odor is strong. If we can’t figure out how to challenge bogus registrations and undo fraud-enhancing processes, the cheating will continue to succeed.

    And remember, elections are state matters unless involving violations of the U.S. Constitution or federal statutes.

    • #87
  28. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary has joined Principles First but he’s sworn to secrecy.

    Is that the new pedo club? You know, like the Lincoln Project.

    It’s the only grassroots anti-Trump organization. When they have their convention basically 3/4 of the people on stage get money from Omidyar. Lincoln project people were prominent at the first event. The leader is personal friends with one of those guys. The name escapes me right now. It’s the one in Utah with the fancy house.

    The Twitter feed and the Twitter feed of the leader are getting ridiculous. They think exactly like Gary. They like Murkowski, McMullen, and they are for ranked choice voting. etc. It looks bizarre to anybody with ordinary conservative sensibilities.

    I think on a local basis and with any communication forums, they pretty much operate in secret.

    They talk like they are going to ramp the operation up.

    Their next national convention will require another booth at Denny’s?

    • #88
  29. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Percival (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary has joined Principles First but he’s sworn to secrecy.

    Is that the new pedo club? You know, like the Lincoln Project.

    It’s the only grassroots anti-Trump organization. When they have their convention basically 3/4 of the people on stage get money from Omidyar. Lincoln project people were prominent at the first event. The leader is personal friends with one of those guys. The name escapes me right now. It’s the one in Utah with the fancy house.

    The Twitter feed and the Twitter feed of the leader are getting ridiculous. They think exactly like Gary. They like Murkowski, McMullen, and they are for ranked choice voting. etc. It looks bizarre to anybody with ordinary conservative sensibilities.

    I think on a local basis and with any communication forums, they pretty much operate in secret.

    They talk like they are going to ramp the operation up.

    Their next national convention will require another booth at Denny’s?

    This is just a fact. Omidyar can give them a ton of money anytime he wants. Everybody Gary likes, GOPe, et. al. want him to do that.  There are too many that think like Gary. It isn’t going to take much to muck everything up. 

     

    • #89
  30. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz
    @drlorentz

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Gary has joined Principles First but he’s sworn to secrecy.

    [redacted]

    The wicked flee when no man pursueth. 

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