Dude

 

This is, well, nuts. We’re not going to have a do-over. Everyone knows it. Surely he knows it. If he wants to run again rehashing 2020 in every speech, he’s certainly entitled to do so, and see if it resonates. But there’s something else here.

Put me down in the “not terminating all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” camp.

Granted; don’t think he wants to terminate all rules and regulations. Just the ones that impede reinstallation. How this would be done is left to our imagination, but perhaps Congress can vote to override the Constitution just this once? Because something happened that required capital letters?

There’s Very Stable Genius territory, and then there’s this.

Before anyone says he’s just being him, you anti-Trumpers are obsessed – he’s a candidate for the Presidency. They have to take an oath about protecting and defending the Constitution, right? Or are we back to calling the Constitution’s defenders vellum fetishists? 

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?

    Because winning a primary requires appealing to a different universe of voters than does winning a general election.

    And the general elections are what count.

    By definition, a candidate who cannot perform in a primary will not perform in a general. SOMEHOW, the Democrats get their ideological candidates into office.

    While true in the tautological sense that if you don’t advance from the primary to the general you can’t win the general, that is completely false in that it says nothing about a candidate who may lose narrowly in a primary but has more significantly more cross-over appeal to voters who don’t/can’t vote in the primary.

    For example, Joe Manchin. West Virginia is a very Red state. In a Democrat primary a progressive Democrat might beat him in the (extremely small) universe of West Virginia Democrats. But a progressive Democrat wouldn’t stand a chance in the larger universe of West Virginia voters in the general election.

    That seems to be making “our” argument, not yours.

    “If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?”

    Assuming by “better” candidate you mean one who can win the general, ‘m saying a Trump or AOC candidate (i.e. left or right) can win a primary and lose the general to a centrist.

    But that would mean the Republican nominee needs some Democrat votes to win the General, and/or some of the Republican Primary voters refused to vote for the nominee. I don’t see either of those as requiring concern by the majority of the primary voters especially.

    But that is exactly how Trump got elected. He was seen as being a liberal for most of his life and he drew in a wide swath of democrat voters while being shunned by a lot of traditional republican voters in the general election.

     

    All of this stuff hurts my head. 

    I mostly stick to figuring out good public policy.

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  2. BDB Inactive
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?

    Because winning a primary requires appealing to a different universe of voters than does winning a general election.

    And the general elections are what count.

     

     

    By definition, a candidate who cannot perform in a primary will not perform in a general. SOMEHOW, the Democrats get their ideological candidates into office.

    I don’t think that is true. Primaries tend to elect hard core ideologues of either party while general elections elect more moderate candidates, because primaries and general elections have completely different types of voters overall. And in Cleveland, the democrats couldn’t even get their progressive ideological candidate past the primary for Congressman and had to settle for the moderate.

    The point I was making is that if you get eliminated in the primary etc etc

     

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  3. Steven Seward Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?

    Because winning a primary requires appealing to a different universe of voters than does winning a general election.

    And the general elections are what count.

     

     

    By definition, a candidate who cannot perform in a primary will not perform in a general. SOMEHOW, the Democrats get their ideological candidates into office.

    I don’t think that is true. Primaries tend to elect hard core ideologues of either party while general elections elect more moderate candidates, because primaries and general elections have completely different types of voters overall. And in Cleveland, the democrats couldn’t even get their progressive ideological candidate past the primary for Congressman and had to settle for the moderate.

    The point I was making is that if you get eliminated in the primary etc etc

    That kind of goes without saying.

     

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  4. BDB Inactive
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?

    Because winning a primary requires appealing to a different universe of voters than does winning a general election.

    And the general elections are what count.

     

     

    By definition, a candidate who cannot perform in a primary will not perform in a general. SOMEHOW, the Democrats get their ideological candidates into office.

    I don’t think that is true. Primaries tend to elect hard core ideologues of either party while general elections elect more moderate candidates, because primaries and general elections have completely different types of voters overall. And in Cleveland, the democrats couldn’t even get their progressive ideological candidate past the primary for Congressman and had to settle for the moderate.

    The point I was making is that if you get eliminated in the primary etc etc

    That kind of goes without saying.

     

    Please read for context.

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  5. Bob Thompson Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?

    Because winning a primary requires appealing to a different universe of voters than does winning a general election.

    And the general elections are what count.

     

     

    By definition, a candidate who cannot perform in a primary will not perform in a general. SOMEHOW, the Democrats get their ideological candidates into office.

    I don’t think that is true. Primaries tend to elect hard core ideologues of either party while general elections elect more moderate candidates, because primaries and general elections have completely different types of voters overall. And in Cleveland, the democrats couldn’t even get their progressive ideological candidate past the primary for Congressman and had to settle for the moderate.

    The point I was making is that if you get eliminated in the primary etc etc

    That kind of goes without saying.

     

    Notwithstanding all of what has been pointed out here, the real concern should be focused on the disgusting unanimity exhibited by the Progressive Democrat Party in open opposition to the U.S. Constitution that its elected officials take an oath to uphold. 

    This is why the recent action in the House by members of the Freedom Caucus is so refreshing. Those members are not extremists.

    I welcome any argument that my statement is inaccurate.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?

    Because winning a primary requires appealing to a different universe of voters than does winning a general election.

    And the general elections are what count.

    By definition, a candidate who cannot perform in a primary will not perform in a general. SOMEHOW, the Democrats get their ideological candidates into office.

    While true in the tautological sense that if you don’t advance from the primary to the general you can’t win the general, that is completely false in that it says nothing about a candidate who may lose narrowly in a primary but has more significantly more cross-over appeal to voters who don’t/can’t vote in the primary.

    For example, Joe Manchin. West Virginia is a very Red state. In a Democrat primary a progressive Democrat might beat him in the (extremely small) universe of West Virginia Democrats. But a progressive Democrat wouldn’t stand a chance in the larger universe of West Virginia voters in the general election.

    That seems to be making “our” argument, not yours.

    “If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?”

    Assuming by “better” candidate you mean one who can win the general, ‘m saying a Trump or AOC candidate (i.e. left or right) can win a primary and lose the general to a centrist.

    But that would mean the Republican nominee needs some Democrat votes to win the General, and/or some of the Republican Primary voters refused to vote for the nominee. I don’t see either of those as requiring concern by the majority of the primary voters especially.

    But that is exactly how Trump got elected. He was seen as being a liberal for most of his life and he drew in a wide swath of democrat voters while being shunned by a lot of traditional republican voters in the general election.

     

    Why would Liberals vote for Trump rather than Hillary, or Bernie, or any of the other Dimocrats?

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  7. Steven Seward Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?

    Because winning a primary requires appealing to a different universe of voters than does winning a general election.

    And the general elections are what count.

    By definition, a candidate who cannot perform in a primary will not perform in a general. SOMEHOW, the Democrats get their ideological candidates into office.

    While true in the tautological sense that if you don’t advance from the primary to the general you can’t win the general, that is completely false in that it says nothing about a candidate who may lose narrowly in a primary but has more significantly more cross-over appeal to voters who don’t/can’t vote in the primary.

    For example, Joe Manchin. West Virginia is a very Red state. In a Democrat primary a progressive Democrat might beat him in the (extremely small) universe of West Virginia Democrats. But a progressive Democrat wouldn’t stand a chance in the larger universe of West Virginia voters in the general election.

    That seems to be making “our” argument, not yours.

    “If McConnell’s choices were better candidates, why did they lose to Trump candidates in the primaries?”

    Assuming by “better” candidate you mean one who can win the general, ‘m saying a Trump or AOC candidate (i.e. left or right) can win a primary and lose the general to a centrist.

    But that would mean the Republican nominee needs some Democrat votes to win the General, and/or some of the Republican Primary voters refused to vote for the nominee. I don’t see either of those as requiring concern by the majority of the primary voters especially.

    But that is exactly how Trump got elected. He was seen as being a liberal for most of his life and he drew in a wide swath of democrat voters while being shunned by a lot of traditional republican voters in the general election.

     

    Why would Liberals vote for Trump rather than Hillary, or Bernie, or any of the other Dimocrats?

    Because many of them don’t buy into the woke madness and other democrat absurdities, especially Blacks and Hispanics.  They  have been shifting away from democrats while white women have been gravitating towards them.

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  8. BDB Inactive
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    Why would Liberals vote for Trump rather than Hillary, or Bernie, or any of the other Dimocrats?

    Because many of them don’t buy into the woke madness and other democrat absurdities, especially Blacks and Hispanics. They have been shifting away from democrats while white women have been gravitating towards them.

    Great question, great answer.  I assume the demographic shift is borne out by numbers — we can *feel* it.

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