Dude

 

This is, well, nuts. We’re not going to have a do-over. Everyone knows it. Surely he knows it. If he wants to run again rehashing 2020 in every speech, he’s certainly entitled to do so, and see if it resonates. But there’s something else here.

Put me down in the “not terminating all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” camp.

Granted; don’t think he wants to terminate all rules and regulations. Just the ones that impede reinstallation. How this would be done is left to our imagination, but perhaps Congress can vote to override the Constitution just this once? Because something happened that required capital letters?

There’s Very Stable Genius territory, and then there’s this.

Before anyone says he’s just being him, you anti-Trumpers are obsessed – he’s a candidate for the Presidency. They have to take an oath about protecting and defending the Constitution, right? Or are we back to calling the Constitution’s defenders vellum fetishists? 

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  1. The Reticulator Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    As I tweeted to Claire earlier today, “I hate when former President Trump is as bad as President Biden.”

    You’ll probably be blocked for that.

    I doubt it. I try to keep it classy when responding to her tweets. However, the tweet I responded to was not very classy, so who knows. 

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  2. Percival Thatcher
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Trump was robbed, of that I have no doubt. Same as Nixon.

    And

    Nixon showed more class.

     

     

    That is an indictment indeed.

    That’s the third rail, Donald. If you keep poking it, you’ll eventually complete a circuit.

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  3. Bishop Wash Member
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    There was some good debating on the site after 2020 was stolen and how to solve it within Constitutional bounds. We are a post Constitutional Republic though and need to think how to survive in that world. Else we’re like these guys. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  4. Skyler Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    There was some good debating on the site after 2020 was stolen and how to solve it within Constitutional bounds. We are a post Constitutional Republic though and need to think how to survive in that world. Else we’re like these guys.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    That’s a pretty powerful image.

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  5. Skyler Coolidge
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    So the fraud Deniers who claim to be Republicans have no problem with fraud. No wonder the Democrats are able to get away with it. Expect more of the same except much larger volume in 2024 thanks to weak, milquetoast Republicans.

    If you think this is about the past, you are delusional.

    It’s still not even really about Trump. My interest in the topic, that is.

    Sp we dont suspend all the rules

    What is the remedy then (which inthink Skyler already offered)? Why are you not calling for it rather than taking more pot shots at Trump? Priorities, priorities.

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    And then we criminally charge them with treason and execute them.

    Eh, whom am I kidding?  We couldn’t even execute the 9/11 terrorists.

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  6. She Member
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    Pasted from a comment I made on Powerline:

    I don’t know if Trump is “finished.” I guess we’ll see. I’d like to think that–somewhere among the 300+ million people in this country there are more than two whose battle for the White House in 2024 is inevitable and exclusive.

    What I do know is that Trump has abandoned an aspect of his personality that played as one of his strengths–his unpredictability. Rather than being the disruptor with fresh ideas to push the Conservative message into new demographics (“What do you have to lose?” etc), or being the despair of foreign heads of state who couldn’t quite decide if he was a lunatic ready to push the red button if they crossed him, he has become–disappointingly–banal, boring, and utterly predictable. If he can’t change that up and become the candidate of vision, ideas, and hope for the future, then perhaps he is finished. Because as legitimate as his complaints about the 2020 election may be, this isn’t a backwards-looking country. And right now, the Left owns the “Forward!” narrative.

    When each of us can read a news story (doesn’t matter which one), ask ourselves, “I wonder what Donald Trump would say about this?” and predict–with 100% accuracy–what that will be, then there’s no point in Donald Trump anymore.

    I don’t say that with any sort of glee.  

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  7. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    @EugeneKriegsmann

    It is hard to add anything to what has already been said. The Donald is delusional or he is just angling to get attention which is his main motivator.  It is definitely time to move on. We have had six years of near insanity, some due to the man himself, but a good deal due to the opposition who were equally insane in their hatred of him. I don’t know that DeSantis will be treated with any more respect, or any other Republican, but, at least, we won’t have a toddler representing us who is unable to contend with any criticism with anything but vitriol and whining.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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  9. TBA Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    He’s wrong. We don’t throw out any rules. What we do is impeach, convict, and install the next in line. That is the remedy. That would leave us with President McCarthy.

    Yes. And now that Trump has moved the Overton window that might actually get traction. 

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    He’s wrong. We don’t throw out any rules. What we do is impeach, convict, and install the next in line. That is the remedy. That would leave us with President McCarthy.

    This is the test. The Trump Administration tried to deal with these crimes using an untried approach, in the absence of anything definitive on Jan 6, but failed.  @skyler states the process that we have but the question then is do we have the people who care. We have lots of people who don’t care in addition to those who are traitorous.

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  11. Percival Thatcher
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    She (View Comment):

    Pasted from a comment I made on Powerline:

    I don’t know if Trump is “finished.” I guess we’ll see. I’d like to think that–somewhere among the 300+ million people in this country there are more than two whose battle for the White House in 2024 is inevitable and exclusive.

    What I do know is that Trump has abandoned an aspect of his personality that played as one of his strengths–his unpredictability. Rather than being the disruptor with fresh ideas to push the Conservative message into new demographics (“What do you have to lose?” etc), or being the despair of foreign heads of state who couldn’t quite decide if he was a lunatic ready to push the red button if they crossed him, he has become–disappointingly–banal, boring, and utterly predictable. If he can’t change that up and become the candidate of vision, ideas, and hope for the future, then perhaps he is finished. Because as legitimate as his complaints about the 2020 election may be, this isn’t a backwards-looking country. And right now, the Left owns the “Forward!” narrative.

    When each of us can read a news story (doesn’t matter which one), ask ourselves, “I wonder what Donald Trump would say about this?” and predict–with 100% accuracy–what that will be, then there’s no point in Donald Trump anymore.

    I don’t say that with any sort of glee.

    I don’t either. I voted for him in what I considered at the time a forlorn hope against the Clinton crime family. He was worth supporting again not only for his performance but also in reaction to our hopelessly partisan, utterly feckless mainstream media  and the Biden crime family.

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  12. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    db25db (View Commen

    the choice doesn’t have to be between either a sociopath or a boilerplate R. the states Trump flipped in 16 flipped back in 2020, with a few more (AZ and GA) flipping that had been solidly R in most pres elections (trump was only +4 in AZ in 2016, the writing was on the wall, while mcain won that senate race by +13). Today’s Democrat party isn’t the same party as Obamas in 08 and today’s R party isn’t the same as Romney or McCains. There are some candidates who are neither the awful McConnell establishment nor the living in a false reality bubble Trump type that do exist.

    Two things…the first is that there is zero evidence that an R can win the States that Trump won in 16, even assuming that the election is about votes as opposed to ballots.  Most of those voters were people who felt the Dems abandoned them and that Trump, and the GOP, would represent them. Of course the GOP then blocked most of Trump’s agenda that those voters cared about and cut taxes for corps instead. I’ve thought a ton about 16 and look at the other candidates the GOP put forth and can’t see any of them winning, especially not taking the states Trump took. My RCP EC map had them winning by taking CO as one example but never MI and WI. In 24, what states do you think the GOP can win?

    PA? Nope, that ship has sailed with the ballot harvesting, assuming it was possible anyway absent a populist candidate. 

    VA? Nope, the explosion of population around DC makes it extremely unlikely. Yes Youngkin won an election a year after 20 on a platform of school shutdowns against a bad candidate. 

    WI? Along as the WEC exists, don’t expect to win here. 

    GA? A solidly red state that has gone blue due to GOP ineptitude. Like PA I don’t expect it to be in the GOP column in 24

    The GOP is way behind the curve to win in 24 to start with, and because they appear to be set to run another 18 style election and cede a number of states because they won’t play the game by the new rules. Couple that with a significant part of the GOP who seems determined to purge the party of the ideology that won in 16 and unless something changes dramatically Biden could be in a coma and win in 24. The GOP still thinks this is an election of ideas to win voters and its not. It’s about getting out the vote to mark a mail ballot for the red or the blue team. Until the GOP realizes that they won’t win. 

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    The GOP still thinks this is an election of ideas to win voters and its not.

     

     

     

     

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  14. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m sick of his outrageous comments and making excuses for him. I’m getting very worried. . .

    So, the “rigging” of the 20 election is OK then?  The GOP doesn’t appear to be doing anything to prevent it happening again. They certainly didn’t in 22 when they wasted an historic opportunity did they. You seem to thunk that the left is going to magically play fair if Trump disappears…news flash, they won’t and didn’t in 22. 

    It’s this very attitude that has made me realize that the GOP would rather lose than win and thus isn’t a viable party anymore. They aren’t going anywhere anytime soon because the system won’t let them, but they also aren’t going to win either. So, in one way you and I are alike. You would rather the GOP lose than win with Trump and I’d rather the GOP lose sonthat they can die and the right can find/create a new party that will actually do what the voters want them to do. 

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    BDB (View Comment):

    President Trumpin’
    On your leg and humpin’
    A little bit embarrassin’ but
    at least he’s doin’ sumpin’

    For a person with such talent to discern the traitorous misbehaviors of the established elite Presidential dynasties of the last century, it is sad that he has not figured out how to gain the support of those who can’t join the fold because of this. 

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  16. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    @Dbroussa

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Trump was robbed, of that I have no doubt. Same as Nixon.

    And

    Nixon showed more class.

     

     

    True, though, in fairness the Dems of today aren’t the same as Jack Kennedy’s Dems. 

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  17. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    She (View Comment):
    And right now, the Left owns the “Forward!” narrative.

    Which is risable considering their policies are pushing us backwards in almost every way, except for acceptance of marginalized identity groups. 

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  18. Bob Thompson Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    And right now, the Left owns the “Forward!” narrative.

    Which is risable considering their policies are pushing us backwards in almost every way, except for acceptance of marginalized identity groups.

    And I would sit here and take this if I knew the vote was honest because that would mean the people have spoken. That’s not what we got.

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  19. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    @Dbroussa

    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    It is hard to add anything to what has already been said. The Donald is delusional or he is just angling to get attention which is his main motivator. It is definitely time to move on. We have had six years of near insanity, some due to the man himself, but a good deal due to the opposition who were equally insane in their hatred of him. I don’t know that DeSantis will be treated with any more respect, or any other Republican, but, at least, we won’t have a toddler representing us who is unable to contend with any criticism with anything but vitriol and whining.

    In 12 the left turned Mitt “Milquetoast” Romney into Hitler and you wonder if “DeSatan” is going to he treated with more respect?  I guess as you watch yet another loss you will say, at least we aren’t going to have any mean tweets. The GOP cannot die fast enough.

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  20. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    @Dbroussa

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    The GOP still thinks this is an election of ideas to win voters and its not.

     

     

     

     

    I watch the Twitter dump on the Hunter laptop and what amazes me isn’t that the story is getting no play, nor that the media is joining arms to suppress it and normalize the behavior. Nope, what amazes me is that I thought that people would actually care about such a raw abuse of power in a purely partisan way. They don’t care and it underscores that elections aren’t about convincing people to vote for your guy, it’s just about getting the most ballots turned in. 

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  21. drlorentz Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    The carney show continues. Too bad there are real bullets in the gun.

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  22. Bob Thompson Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    The GOP still thinks this is an election of ideas to win voters and its not.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I watch the Twitter dump on the Hunter laptop and what amazes me isn’t that the story is getting no play, nor that the media is joining arms to suppress it and normalize the behavior. Nope, what amazes me is that I thought that people would actually care about such a raw abuse of power in a purely partisan way. They don’t care and it underscores that elections aren’t about convincing people to vote for your guy, it’s just about getting the most ballots turned in.

    Our elected officials already exhibit this characteristic of the electorate, they don’t care either.

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  23. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    The House of Representatives has the power of impeachment and controls the purse.

    Let’s see if the leadership there can figure out what they need to do.

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    The House of Representatives has the power of impeachment and controls the purse.

    Let’s see if the leadership there can figure out what they need to do.

    Rep Greg Stubbe was talking about this on the CPAC podcast. I thought it was good, but this isn’t my thing. 

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  25. Miffed White Male Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m sick of his outrageous comments and making excuses for him. I’m getting very worried. . .

    So, the “rigging” of the 20 election is OK then? The GOP doesn’t appear to be doing anything to prevent it happening again. They certainly didn’t in 22 when they wasted an historic opportunity did they. You seem to thunk that the left is going to magically play fair if Trump disappears…news flash, they won’t and didn’t in 22.

    It’s this very attitude that has made me realize that the GOP would rather lose than win and thus isn’t a viable party anymore. They aren’t going anywhere anytime soon because the system won’t let them, but they also aren’t going to win either. So, in one way you and I are alike. You would rather the GOP lose than win with Trump and I’d rather the GOP lose sonthat they can die and the right can find/create a new party that will actually do what the voters want them to do.

    Biden is senile, but Trump appears to have gone clinically insane.

    I’d probably take my chances on senility.  It’s less unpredictable.

     

    [I voted for Trump twice, and heartily endorse Henry Racette’s comment #9.]

     

     

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  26. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    @Dbroussa

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    The House of Representatives has the power of impeachment and controls the purse.

    Let’s see if the leadership there can figure out what they need to do.

    Impeachment is a fantasy of the highest order. In a Senate controlled by the Dems you expect to get a conviction?  To them, they didn’t break any rules, or, if they did it was justified, or if they did, they don’t care. I suspect not even all of the GOP would vote to convict Biden, heck I’m not sure more than 10 would. 

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  27. BDB Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    The House of Representatives has the power of impeachment and controls the purse.

    Let’s see if the leadership there can figure out what they need to do.

    Heh.

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  28. Gary Robbins 🚫 Banned
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    At this point it does not matter much. We have seen them steal POTUS and senate level elections. I don’t see it changing any from this point forward. GOP can run who ever wants to run in 2024. Wish them well.

    genferei (View Comment):

    So what do you do when you think there is credible and growing evidence of widespread fraud and deception, including colluding with Big Tech? Just move on? Isn’t history supposed to be that thing all the smart folks tell us we’re supposed to learn from?

    In polite society one doesn’t brag, one doesn’t bluster, and one certainly shouldn’t be a sore loser. I’m not sure that’s how you defend a democracy.

    Hang On (View Comment):

    So the fraud Deniers who claim to be Republicans have no problem with fraud. No wonder the Democrats are able to get away with it. Expect more of the same except much larger volume in 2024 thanks to weak, milquetoast Republicans.

    If you think this is about the past, you are delusional.

    The fact that you keep saying that does not make it true, any more than a bunch of young children talking about Santa does not make that true.  There is no Santa Claus.  Bush was not complicit in 9/11.  Hillary didn’t win in 2016.  And Trump didn’t win in 2020.  Time to grow up.

    Time to admit that you have been hoodwinked.  Or you can go on with the claim that all of the courts are also part of this giant conspiracy, and every one who disagrees with you are part of that conspiracy.  Don’t be surprised if people start walking away as you are shouting on the sidewalks.  And don’t be surprised that if you use “direct action” such as using violence that you are prosecuted.

    Republicans can and do win.  Glenn Youngkin won in even liberal Virginia, just as Larry Hogan won twice in liberal Maryland.  Gregg Abbott just won his third term in Texas.  And Ron DeSantis just won by almost 20 points in Florida.  Let’s vote for winners in 2024 who are about the future.

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  29. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Its the gambler’s impulse. If you’ve been cheated you flip the table and punch someone in the face. That was his impulse on Jan 6 – and now that his views on the election have been confirmed, its still his first impulse.

    Its odd, but every allegation Hillary Clinton has made about the 2016 election has been proven false. Yet the media still allows her to service her lies without any push back. Trump’s fears about the 2020 election have now been confirmed, and he’s the election denier? (Notice I said FEARS – Not allegations. A lot of the allegations made by Trump and his legal teams are likely false – but they feared they’d been cheated, but didnt figure out how)

    I have to agree with this assessment. The documents leaked so far, make Watergate look like Jay walking:

     

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary has joined Principles First but he’s sworn to secrecy. 

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