NeverTrump Helping Democrats in Missouri Senate Race

 

An ally of Liz Cheney is running as a third-party candidate in Missouri to help the Democrats take another Senate seat.

Former U.S. Attorney John Wood stepped down as lead investigator for the House Select Committee on Jan. 6 this summer to launch an independent Senate bid in Missouri.  Wood is a close friend of the Cheney family and formerly worked in the second Bush administration with stints at the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Wood’s Senate campaign is now being financed by another alumnus of the Bush administration, former Missouri Sen. John Danforth, who was President Bush’s ambassador to the United Nations between 2004 and 2005. In July, Danforth’s super PAC launched a $750,000 dollar ad blitz and announced plans to raise anywhere from $20 to $40 million for the fall campaign.

So, a former Republican senator and Bush administration official is going to try and raise $40 million. He will not use this money to help flip blue seats in Georgia and Arizona. He will not use this money to protect vulnerable Republican seats in North Carolina or Pennsylvania. Instead, he will force the Republican Party to expend resources defending what should be a safe Republican senate seat in Missouri.

The pattern of Never-Trumpers openly supporting Democrats demonstrates that they are not principled conservatives. They are a Democrat fifth column embedded in Republican ranks, who will undermine the party’s chances at every opportunity.

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  1. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    After Martha McSally went full MAGA in 2020, I voted against her.

    So it’s not Trump you dislike so much as the people who elected him. It’s what we kinda suspected.

    No. I admire and respect my sainted mother, my physician brother and my crack Legal Assistant, all of whom voted for Trump.

    in 2018, I voted for Martha McSally in the primary and general elections. But in 2020, Martha McSally went full MAGA, and showed a canine degree of devotion to Trump.

    I asked because you said MAGA and didn’t mention Trump. What about somebody who is full MAGA and is indifferent about Trump?

    When I say “full MAGA” that would include being devoted to Trump. McSally became completely devoted to Trump. It was embarrassing that this accomplished woman groveled so much.

    What about those people who are full MAGA but indifferent about Trump?  I.e. they want the full Trump agenda, but whether Trump is part of it is immaterial? 

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  2. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Biden gets a F for Afghanistan, a D for spending and the economy, a C for getting “moderate” bills through the Senate, a B for the infrastructure bill and an A for Ukraine.

    If we take away the Trump Big Lie, the Trump Cult of Personality, and the January 6th Insurrection, Trump was marginally a better President than Biden is, even though he could never cut any deal with them like an infrastructure bill. (We should be putting on the finishing touches to the “Trump Tunnel” to replace the 100+ year old tunnels under the Hudson.)

    From your caveats it sounds like you still think Biden has been a better president than Trump.  The only pluses you mentioned for Biden are the infrastructure bill, which I see only as the continuance of wasted Federal money that is bankrupting the government, and Ukraine, which Trump surely would have handled at least as well as Biden.  You think?

     

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  3. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The problem is The Rule of Law. Since our country’s founding in 1789, we have had an unbroken series of the peaceful transfer of power. This is our sacred birthright, or at least it was. We are a government of laws, not men. No man is above the law. Trump’s attempt to violently overthrow the government is unforgivable, and he likely should be prosecuted, convicted, and incarcerated.

    This is where you totally lose me.  Trump did not attempt to violently overthrow the government.  Your assertion is so absurd it sounds like something coming from Alex Jones.  Trump gave a speech to a crowd of supporters and never mentioned violence or overthrowing the government, and never told them to storm the Capital or anything close.  He in fact told them to “peacefully protest.”  Then a bunch of yahoos, with no direction from trump because they weren’t even at the speech,  push their way into the Capital Building while others are simply invited in by guards, and they take a bunch of selfies and some souvenirs.

    You are a lawyer and should be more aware than the average person about hyperbole and exaggeration.  If you told a judge in court that Trump tried to violently overthrow the government he would either laugh at you or threaten you with contempt for making up a ridiculous story.  Trump may be brash and rude, and may be totally deluded about the outcome of the election, and he certainly suggested to Mike Pence something that is not Constitutional, but he did not try to “violently overthrow the government.”

     

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  4. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    And even if I grant that Trump did not act for 187 minutes (although drew in Wisconsin has pointed out numerous times that this is actually “a lie”), does that make our country worse off than what we have going now? Is it better to have 9% inflation, let crime run rampant, let two million illegal aliens, human traffickers and drugs across the border, and let men take trophies and scholarships away from women, rather than have a President sit idle for 187 minutes?

    Great points. After a tweet that Mike Pence let us down, Trump released a couple of mamby-pamby tweets that generically called for no violence, but the rioters noted that Trump had not told them to leave. Once he did, 187 minutes after the end of his speech at the Ellipse, the riot ended.

    What is Trump supposed to do in the middle of a riot in order to end it?  Speak to the crowd on TV?  They were meandering through the halls of Congress or pushing through barricades.  They presumably weren’t carrying TV’s with them.  Do you know of a single instance in American history where a President of the United States was expected to do crowd control duty instead of the military, secret service, local police, or National Guard?  You seem to think he has a magic wand and can instantly stop a riot with some gesture.  The fact that some yokels said “Trump didn’t tell me to leave” is meaningless.  If I ever have to face you in court for some riot activity of mine, I will just declare “Biden didn’t tell me to leave” and you will instantly forgive me.  Justice should be so easy.

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  5. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Inflation, while slowly coming down is far too high. Republicans or even Trump would have done better.

    Crime is too high. Republicans or even Trump would do better.

    Opening the border is wrong. Republicans or even Trump would do better.

    I’m glad you are on our side for these.  Now aren’t those much more important issues than not being able to control a mob on a single day?

    Please define your terms about “human trafficking.” Most people think of that as smuggling women to put them to work as prostitutes. Has that happened? Yes, but on the margin. Primarily, “coyotes” get people across the border. Is that bad? Yes. Is that “human trafficking”? Not as most people use the phrase.

    I’m talking about bringing in prostitutes, many of them minors.  Biden not only exacerbated this disgusting practice by opening the borders, he also disbanded the task force that Trump had created to hunt down this criminal enterprise..

    Biological males should not compete in women’s sports. Republicans or even Trump would do better.

    Thank goodness you agree!

    But the reference to a mere 187 minutes is misplaced. That is the whole ballgame. Any other President would have marched into the press room and call on the rioters to go home. Any other President would have swarmed law enforcement to the Capitol. If we don’t have Rule of Law, we are a thugocracy. Stopping that is a mountain that I am willing to die on.

    Okay, so far you haven’t mentioned a single thing that Biden did better than Trump would have done except spend money.  And it all goes out the door because Trump didn’t call a press conference during the riot.  It is bewildering that this one episode for you “trumps” 9% inflation, runaway crime and murder, sex perversion, higher taxes, , getting people killed in Afghanistan, abandoning Americans citizens there, corrupt FBI and DOJ, racist teaching in schools,  and on, and on…………

    Don’t you ever stop and ponder what the average American is thinking when he pays double to fill up his  gas tank and his utility and grocery bills are going through the roof while he installs alarms and cameras to stave off the burglars?  He is definitely not thinking “I’m so glad we have all this crime and inflation instead of a bunch of people stampeding into the Capital Building while the president dithers.”  Can you see why so few Americans care much about the January 6th hearings?

     

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  6. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Tell me seriously the reasons that us ordinary citizens are better off now under Biden.

    We are better off with Biden only because did not attempt to violently overthrow the government. Biden’s mistakes can be corrected. But if Trump had succeeded in overthrowing the government, that’s the whole ballgame.

    The Constitution is at risk. The Republic is at risk. They are far more important than any one person or political party.

    Gary, do you know of a single person other than yourself who feels better off because of Biden?

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    After Martha McSally went full MAGA in 2020, I voted against her.

    So it’s not Trump you dislike so much as the people who elected him. It’s what we kinda suspected.

    No. I admire and respect my sainted mother, my physician brother and my crack Legal Assistant, all of whom voted for Trump.

    in 2018, I voted for Martha McSally in the primary and general elections. But in 2020, Martha McSally went full MAGA, and showed a canine degree of devotion to Trump.

    I asked because you said MAGA and didn’t mention Trump. What about somebody who is full MAGA and is indifferent about Trump?

    When I say “full MAGA” that would include being devoted to Trump. McSally became completely devoted to Trump. It was embarrassing that this accomplished woman groveled so much.

    What about those people who are full MAGA but indifferent about Trump? I.e. they want the full Trump agenda, but whether Trump is part of it is immaterial?

    Well, they (non=Trump MAGA) are my people.  Trump is not the first person who said “Make America Great Again.”  Reagan did so back in the 1980’s.

    Let me rephrase:  In 2020 Martha McSally went full MAGA Trumpist and showed a canine devotion to Trump.

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    Biden gets a F for Afghanistan, a D for spending and the economy, a C for getting “moderate” bills through the Senate, a B for the infrastructure bill and an A for Ukraine.

    If we take away the Trump Big Lie, the Trump Cult of Personality, and the January 6th Insurrection, Trump was marginally a better President than Biden is, even though he could never cut any deal with them like an infrastructure bill. (We should be putting on the finishing touches to the “Trump Tunnel” to replace the 100+ year old tunnels under the Hudson.)

    From your caveats it sounds like you still think Biden has been a better president than Trump. The only pluses you mentioned for Biden are the infrastructure bill, which I see only as the continuance of wasted Federal money that is bankrupting the government, and Ukraine, which Trump surely would have handled at least as well as Biden. You think?

    One of the first things that Reagan did was to push through a 125% increase in the federal gas tax from 4 cents to 9 cents a gallon.  Reagan believed in freeways and hard infrastructure.  So did Lincoln who had the transcontinental railroad started during the Civil War.  A great benefit of the infrastructure bill which got 19 Republican Senators to vote for it is that it repurposed other federal monies.

    Ukraine.  I honestly don’t know what Trump would have done.  

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  9. Gary Robbins Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    The problem is The Rule of Law. Since our country’s founding in 1789, we have had an unbroken series of the peaceful transfer of power. This is our sacred birthright, or at least it was. We are a government of laws, not men. No man is above the law. Trump’s attempt to violently overthrow the government is unforgivable, and he likely should be prosecuted, convicted, and incarcerated.

    This is where you totally lose me. Trump did not attempt to violently overthrow the government. Your assertion is so absurd it sounds like something coming from Alex Jones. Trump gave a speech to a crowd of supporters and never mentioned violence or overthrowing the government, and never told them to storm the Capital or anything close. He in fact told them to “peacefully protest.” Then a bunch of yahoos, with no direction from trump because they weren’t even at the speech, push their way into the Capital Building while others are simply invited in by guards, and they take a bunch of selfies and some souvenirs.

    I respectfully request that you watch the January 6th Committee hearings.  I think that the only way to convince you might be for Trump to be indicted, and convicted.

    You are a lawyer and should be more aware than the average person about hyperbole and exaggeration. If you told a judge in court that Trump tried to violently overthrow the government he would either laugh at you or threaten you with contempt for making up a ridiculous story. Trump may be brash and rude, and may be totally deluded about the outcome of the election, and he certainly suggested to Mike Pence something that is not Constitutional, but he did not try to “violently overthrow the government.”

    Again, please watch the January 6th Committee Hearings.  I believe that the large majority of my fellow Ricochetti agree with you.  But a large majority of American voters do not.

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    And even if I grant that Trump did not act for 187 minutes (although drew in Wisconsin has pointed out numerous times that this is actually “a lie”), does that make our country worse off than what we have going now? Is it better to have 9% inflation, let crime run rampant, let two million illegal aliens, human traffickers and drugs across the border, and let men take trophies and scholarships away from women, rather than have a President sit idle for 187 minutes?

    Great points. After a tweet that Mike Pence let us down, Trump released a couple of mamby-pamby tweets that generically called for no violence, but the rioters noted that Trump had not told them to leave. Once he did, 187 minutes after the end of his speech at the Ellipse, the riot ended.

    What is Trump supposed to do in the middle of a riot in order to end it? Speak to the crowd on TV?

    That would have been what any other President would have done.  That is what Kevin McCarthy begged Trump to do.  The press room is just down the hall from the Oval Office.  Its camera is always on.  All Trump had to do was to walk down to the press room and tell his supporters to go home.

    They were meandering through the halls of Congress or pushing through barricades. They presumably weren’t carrying TV’s with them.

    They were closely monitoring Trump’s tweets.  As soon as he told them to go home, they left the Capitol.

    Do you know of a single instance in American history where a President of the United States was expected to do crowd control duty instead of the military, secret service, local police, or National Guard?

    Why the heck didn’t Trump act?  He did nothing buy replay scenes of the rioters and revel in their “love” for him.  That is a dereliction of duty.  Congress should have impeached Trump immediately and convicted him the next day, leading to two weeks of President Mike Pence.  See the best post I have ever seen at Ricochet: Impeach. Remove. Bar from Office.

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    Inflation, while slowly coming down is far too high. Republicans or even Trump would have done better.

    Crime is too high. Republicans or even Trump would do better.

    Opening the border is wrong. Republicans or even Trump would do better.

    I’m glad you are on our side for these. Now aren’t those much more important issues than not being able to control a mob on a single day?

    Not when Trump was trying to overthrow the government on January 6th.

    Please define your terms about “human trafficking.” Most people think of that as smuggling women to put them to work as prostitutes. Has that happened? Yes, but on the margin. Primarily, “coyotes” get people across the border. Is that bad? Yes. Is that “human trafficking”? Not as most people use the phrase.

    I’m talking about bringing in prostitutes, many of them minors. Biden not only exacerbated this disgusting practice by opening the borders, he also disbanded the task force that Trump had created to hunt down this criminal enterprise..

    That is manifestly terrible.

    Biological males should not compete in women’s sports. Republicans or even Trump would do better.

    Thank goodness you agree!

    But the reference to a mere 187 minutes is misplaced. That is the whole ballgame. Any other President would have marched into the press room and call on the rioters to go home. Any other President would have swarmed law enforcement to the Capitol. If we don’t have Rule of Law, we are a thugocracy. Stopping that is a mountain that I am willing to die on.

    Okay, so far you haven’t mentioned a single thing that Biden did better than Trump would have done except spend money. And it all goes out the door because Trump didn’t call a press conference during the riot. It is bewildering that this one episode for you “trumps” 9% inflation, runaway crime and murder, sex perversion, higher taxes, , getting people killed in Afghanistan, abandoning Americans citizens there, corrupt FBI and DOJ, racist teaching in schools, and on, and on…………

    Don’t you ever stop and ponder what the average American is thinking when he pays double to fill up his gas tank and his utility and grocery bills are going through the roof while he installs alarms and cameras to stave off the burglars? He is definitely not thinking “I’m so glad we have all this crime and inflation instead of a bunch of people stampeding into the Capital Building while the president dithers.” Can you see why so few Americans care much about the January 6th hearings?

    I beg of you to watch the January 6th Committee Hearings.  I see shades of the Reichstag fire; you simply don’t.  We came too damn close to losing our country and constitution that day. 

    Three events radicalized me during my adult life.  The Saturday Night Massacre which lead to me to opposing Nixon.  9/11 which had me support our War on Terrorism.  And January 6th, which has made me a inflexible NeverTrumper.  

     

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    Tell me seriously the reasons that us ordinary citizens are better off now under Biden.

    We are better off with Biden only because did not attempt to violently overthrow the government. Biden’s mistakes can be corrected. But if Trump had succeeded in overthrowing the government, that’s the whole ballgame.

    The Constitution is at risk. The Republic is at risk. They are far more important than any one person or political party.

    Gary, do you know of a single person other than yourself who feels better off because of Biden?

    Yes, I know of 330 million Americans who are better off because Trump was defeated.  Trump is an existential danger to the Republic.

    I trust that you will be watching the Republican Party debates?  Because Liz Cheney is going to be there and will break Donald Trump.

    Trump is going to lose the New Hampshire Primary and whoever wins the New Hampshire Republican Primary will be our next President.  You heard it here first.

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    I doubt Liz Cheney will poll high enough to be on the debate stage.

    By that time, her support of open borders, pro abortion etc. D candidates will have finished her off as a viable R candidate.

     

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  14. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I respectfully request that you watch the January 6th Committee hearings.  I think that the only way to convince you might be for Trump to be indicted, and convicted.

    You can’t respectfully request someone to watch show trial hearings in which the prosecutor gets to pick the defense.   That’s banana republic territory, and nobody can respectfully ask someone else to lend it credibility.  

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  15. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I respectfully request that you watch the January 6th Committee hearings. I think that the only way to convince you might be for Trump to be indicted, and convicted.

    You can’t respectfully request someone to watch show trial hearings in which the prosecutor gets to pick the defense. That’s banana republic territory, and nobody can respectfully ask someone else to lend it credibility.

    I should add that the fact that something like that is allowed to take place in our nation’s capitol is far more of a threat to our democratic system than what a bunch of rowdy protesters can do.  

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    The only pluses you mentioned for Biden are the infrastructure bill,

    It’s the inflation act. He doesn’t know what’s in it. 

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Tell me seriously the reasons that us ordinary citizens are better off now under Biden.

    We are better off with Biden only because did not attempt to violently overthrow the government. Biden’s mistakes can be corrected. But if Trump had succeeded in overthrowing the government, that’s the whole ballgame.

    The Constitution is at risk. The Republic is at risk. They are far more important than any one person or political party.

    Gary, do you know of a single person other than yourself who feels better off because of Biden?

    He thinks you can retreat and then take that ground back and more. It doesn’t work that way.

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  18. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The problem is The Rule of Law. Since our country’s founding in 1789, we have had an unbroken series of the peaceful transfer of power. This is our sacred birthright, or at least it was. We are a government of laws, not men. No man is above the law. Trump’s attempt to violently overthrow the government is unforgivable, and he likely should be prosecuted, convicted, and incarcerated.

    This is where you totally lose me. Trump did not attempt to violently overthrow the government. Your assertion is so absurd it sounds like something coming from Alex Jones. Trump gave a speech to a crowd of supporters and never mentioned violence or overthrowing the government, and never told them to storm the Capital or anything close. He in fact told them to “peacefully protest.” Then a bunch of yahoos, with no direction from trump because they weren’t even at the speech, push their way into the Capital Building while others are simply invited in by guards, and they take a bunch of selfies and some souvenirs.

    I respectfully request that you watch the January 6th Committee hearings. I think that the only way to convince you might be for Trump to be indicted, and convicted.

    You are a lawyer and should be more aware than the average person about hyperbole and exaggeration. If you told a judge in court that Trump tried to violently overthrow the government he would either laugh at you or threaten you with contempt for making up a ridiculous story. Trump may be brash and rude, and may be totally deluded about the outcome of the election, and he certainly suggested to Mike Pence something that is not Constitutional, but he did not try to “violently overthrow the government.”

    Again, please watch the January 6th Committee Hearings. I believe that the large majority of my fellow Ricochetti agree with you. But a large majority of American voters do not.

    You are asking me to give up possibly more than a 24-hour day in watching Congressional hearings in which the the accused is not allowed to mount a defense of any kind.  Why don’t you just summarize for me the most important evidence that Trump tried to violently overthrow the government?  As far as I can tell, he participated in no violent activity and never tried to overthrow the U.S. government.  That is just preposterous.

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  19. Steven Seward Member
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    Don’t you ever stop and ponder what the average American is thinking when he pays double to fill up his gas tank and his utility and grocery bills are going through the roof while he installs alarms and cameras to stave off the burglars? He is definitely not thinking “I’m so glad we have all this crime and inflation instead of a bunch of people stampeding into the Capital Building while the president dithers.” Can you see why so few Americans care much about the January 6th hearings?

    I beg of you to watch the January 6th Committee Hearings. I see shades of the Reichstag fire; you simply don’t. We came too damn close to losing our country and constitution that day.

    Three events radicalized me during my adult life. The Saturday Night Massacre which lead to me to opposing Nixon. 9/11 which had me support our War on Terrorism. And January 6th, which has made me a inflexible NeverTrumper.

    With all due respect, you seem horribly obsessed with this January 6th thing to the exclusion of all else.  The only other people who care about it, do so just because they want to see something bad happen to Trump, not because they are genuinely concerned for the fate of our democracy.  I think the television ratings had something like only one out of every thirty Americans tuning in to the January 6th hearings, despite the fact that they purposely flooded the airwaves with it by canceling prime-time shows.  More people watch “Wheel of Fortune.”I can guarantee you that ten times more people are more concerned that our current administration is ruining democracy more than Trump was ever a threat.  How do you defend Biden’s taking money from Chinese companies trying to buy influence (that’s usually called a “Bribe”) when he was Vice President?  Or when as Vice President, he threatened the country of Ukraine to fire a prosecutor that was investigating his son’s Ukrainian business  interests?  Surely that is not in line with democracy.

     

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  20. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I trust that you will be watching the Republican Party debates? Because Liz Cheney is going to be there and will break Donald Trump.

    Liz Cheney is going to run for President???  You can’t be serious.  Please tell me that you are dreaming.

    Trump is going to lose the New Hampshire Primary and whoever wins the New Hampshire Republican Primary will be our next President. You heard it here first.

    That is a very bold prediction. Trump hasn’t even declared that he is running.  What makes you think that the winner of New Hampshire automatically gets the nomination?  Has it been some kind of infallible bell-weather Primary?

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  21. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Tell me seriously the reasons that us ordinary citizens are better off now under Biden.

    We are better off with Biden only because did not attempt to violently overthrow the government. Biden’s mistakes can be corrected. But if Trump had succeeded in overthrowing the government, that’s the whole ballgame.

    The Constitution is at risk. The Republic is at risk. They are far more important than any one person or political party.

    Gary, do you know of a single person other than yourself who feels better off because of Biden?

    Yes, I know of 330 million Americans who are better off because Trump was defeated. Trump is an existential danger to the Republic.

    Now c’mon!  You can’t speak for all Americans to know how much better off they are.  I asked you specifically if you knew anybody who feels that they are better off under Biden.  I didn’t ask you to project their feelings for them.

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    Quietpi (View Comment):

    I’ve been avoiding this thread, because I knew what was going to happen. But I do have a burning question:

    Gary, please list the things that Donald Trump did as President of which you disapprove. Be specific.

     

    Buehler?

     

     

    Buehler?

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump’s attempt to violently overthrow the government is unforgivable

    You realize that this is idiotic.  No ever attempts to violently overthrow any government without guns.  It just doesn’t happen.   Nobody that I’m aware of had a gun except the police.  It’s not like conservatives don’t own guns.  And no one plans any violent overthrow without them.  It’s not like a 100,000 people couldn’t have brought them if they had wanted to, or had been told to as some sort of a violent overthrow.  But they didn’t.   Because it wasn’t even an attempt at a violent overthrow.

    What in the world are you believing here?  Do you realize how irrational you are being?

    I’m really tired of you pushing your delusional thinking on everyone else, including me.

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  24. Quietpi Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Yes, I know of 330 million Americans who are better off because Trump was defeated.  Trump is an existential danger to the Republic.

    What?  In who’s dreams?  

    Why, if I get much better off, I’ll get to go back to work!  I’ll be giving up driving, but that’s okay, because the nearest bus stop is only a half mile away.  But that’s okay, because there’s also a bus stop just a few hundred yards from WalMart.  

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  25. Flicker Coolidge
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    Quietpi (View Comment):

    Quietpi (View Comment):

    I’ve been avoiding this thread, because I knew what was going to happen. But I do have a burning question:

    Gary, please list the things that Donald Trump did as President of which you disapprove. Be specific.

     

    Buehler?

     

     

    Buehler?

    Yeah, I haven’t been paying attention to it either, and just checked it out in respect of VTK.

    But my word! What obsessive delusional irrational word-garbage!

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    One year of -3.8% annualized real wage decrease is not quickly overcome even if you started doing everything right immediately. 

    Gary has it in his head that things go back-and-forth more than they actually do.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    I doubt Liz Cheney will poll high enough to be on the debate stage.

    By that time, her support of open borders, pro abortion etc. D candidates will have finished her off as a viable R candidate.

    Liz Cheney has a pretty solid 5% of Republicans, which is more than anyone else, other than Trump and DeSantis, and maybe Pence.  

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  28. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I trust that you will be watching the Republican Party debates? Because Liz Cheney is going to be there and will break Donald Trump.

    Liz Cheney is going to run for President??? You can’t be serious. Please tell me that you are dreaming.

    Trump is going to lose the New Hampshire Primary and whoever wins the New Hampshire Republican Primary will be our next President. You heard it here first.

    That is a very bold prediction. Trump hasn’t even declared that he is running. What makes you think that the winner of New Hampshire automatically gets the nomination? Has it been some kind of infallible bell-weather Primary?

    The winner of the New Hampshire Primary almost always wins the nomination, especially among Republicans, with McCain winning in 2000 being the notable exception.  If Trump loses in New Hampshire, he will be finished.

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  29. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Quietpi (View Comment):

    Quietpi (View Comment):

    I’ve been avoiding this thread, because I knew what was going to happen. But I do have a burning question:

    Gary, please list the things that Donald Trump did as President of which you disapprove. Be specific.

    The Trump Big Lie after the 2020 election and the January 6th insurrection are disqualifying per se.  

    Trump cultivation of a Cult of Personality is another. 

    Trump was totally unable to negotiate with Democrats; why he did not have an infrastructure bill in 2017 is beyond me.

    Trump’s betrayal of the Kurd’s in Syria is another black mark.

     

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  30. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump’s attempt to violently overthrow the government is unforgivable

    You realize that this is idiotic. No ever attempts to violently overthrow any government without guns. It just doesn’t happen. Nobody that I’m aware of had a gun except the police. It’s not like conservatives don’t own guns. And no one plans any violent overthrow without them. It’s not like a 100,000 people couldn’t have brought them if they had wanted to, or had been told to as some sort of a violent overthrow. But they didn’t. Because it wasn’t even an attempt at a violent overthrow.

    What in the world are you believing here? Do you realize how irrational you are being?

    I’m really tired of you pushing your delusional thinking on everyone else, including me.

    You summed up that nonsense pretty well!  Gary has a repeating record spinning in his head that no amount of evidence is going to move the needle.  It’s some sort of weird obsession.

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