Pope Francis Finally Weighs In on the Overturning of Roe v Wade

 

Faithful Catholics all over the US have been waiting to hear from Pope Francis on the recent SCOTUS decision on Dobbs and the overturn of Roe v Wade. Receiving a joyous and heartfelt message from the Pope would be a great gift to all those who have prayed and sacrificed and worked for this day.

However, it wasn’t what we expected. As one has heard, a picture tells a thousand words.

Pope Francis, greets Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and her husband, Paul Pelosi before celebrating a Mass on the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, in St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican, Wednesday, June 29, 2022. Pelosi met with Pope Francis on Wednesday and received Communion during a papal Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica, witnesses said, despite her position in support of abortion rights. (Vatican Media via AP)

For some reason, Nancy Pelosi, one of the most prominent pro-abortion Catholic politicians (and perhaps the face of the movement) just happened to be at the Vatican on June 29. According to this article, Pelosi met with Francis on Wednesday before the Mass and received a blessing, and then received Holy Communion at the papal mass in St. Peter’s on the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul. What a coincidence. And what a scandal. And what a slap in the face to Archbishop Cordileone who publicly reprimanded Mrs. Pelosi and forbade her from receiving Holy Communion until she publicly repents of her pro-abortion beliefs and activities.

Now some will say, Scott, you darn rigid restorationist you, you just hate Vatican II, and that is why you always bring up these Pope Francis scandals. How in the world can this merciful pope know everything there is to know about the USA?

Well, for one thing, he was aware of the horrific deaths of the illegal immigrants near San Antonio and sent out a tweet asking for prayers.

It is a monumental scandal that Pope Francis allows this to happen. From his homily at the mass:

Francis has strongly upheld the church’s opposition to abortion, and on Wednesday said church leaders must “continue to care for human life.” But in his homily, Francis also instructed the new archbishops to welcome everyone into the church, including sinners, and to not “remain pinned to some of our fruitless debates.”

“So many times we become a church with open doors, but only to send people away, to condemn them,” he said.

This is standard doublespeak for the pope. Yes, one welcomes sinners, but one also calls them to repentance. He says he is opposed to abortion – going so far as to call it murder, yet allows Holy Communion to be given to a manifest grave sinner such as Nancy Pelosi. Yes, the pope is a head of state, and must meet and greet all types, but he is first and foremost the Vicar of Christ (a title that he has erased) and a pastor of souls. As one said before, this is a monumental scandal. And Pelosi will run with it – she will continue to use these types of photos and the fact that “she received Holy Communion at a papal mass” to push for abortion.

I would be pleased if someone can point me somewhere to see that the pope has praised and celebrated the overturn of Roe v Wade. Yes, the gutted Pontifical Academy for Life issued a short statement, but it was very weak and bizarrely said nothing to simply condemn abortion unequivocally and celebrate the victory.

Perhaps one day popes and cardinals and archbishops will use their authority to crack down on these pro-abortion politicians in the US and fervently work to change their minds and save their souls. Until then, we will continue to see more of this:

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  1. She Member
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    Scott Wilmot: However, it wasn’t what we expected.

    It’s exactly what I expected.

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  2. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Apparently, Paul Pelosi did not have to surrender his passport.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/paul-pelosi-charged-dui-with-injury-misdemeanor/index.html

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  3. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    I hope Vatican officials were able to keep Pelosi’s husband out of the sacramental wine.

    I can’t let myself get worked up over this.  It gets worse and worse and I can’t do anything about it.  It’s bad enough that we have two systems of justice since Biden took over but now there are different sets of rules in the Church.

    All my wife and I can do is go to Mass, say the Rosary and let all this extraneous stuff fall to the side.

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  4. Hoyacon Member
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    In reading about this, I came across a quote from Francis that I was not aware of.   I’m just going to put it out there.  I don’t consider myself worthy to judge it, although it certainly sounds like something he might say.  According to the Pope, the Eucharist is “not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.” 

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  5. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Scott Wilmot: he is first and foremost the Vicar of Christ (a title that he has erased)

    Forgive my ignorance, but how did he erase this title? 

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  6. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot: he is first and foremost the Vicar of Christ (a title that he has erased)

    Forgive my ignorance, but how did he erase this title?

    You obviously don’t have the Secret Pope Francis decoder ring – although it is some serious inside Catholic baseball sort of thing:

    https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=45849

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  7. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    In reading about this, I came across a quote from Francis that I was not aware of. I’m just going to put it out there. I don’t consider myself worthy to judge it, although it certainly sounds like something he might say. According to the Pope, the Eucharist is “not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”

    He is absolutely correct as far as he goes. What is missing is the call to contrition and repentance. We are all weak sinners.

    I’m pretty sure Nancy has used this exact quote.

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  8. Scott Wilmot Member
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I hope Vatican officials were able to keep Pelosi’s husband out of the sacramental wine.

    I can’t let myself get worked up over this. It gets worse and worse and I can’t do anything about it. It’s bad enough that we have two systems of justice since Biden took over but now there are different sets of rules in the Church.

    All my wife and I can do is go to Mass, say the Rosary and let all this extraneous stuff fall to the side.

    Making the scandal known to others is also important. And teaching the ignorant why this matters is important. Keep up the mass attendance and rosary – they are powerful weapons.

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  9. Vance Richards Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    According to the Pope, the Eucharist is “not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.” 

    But I wouldn’t call Pelosi weak. She is proud and obstinate while she mocks the Church’s teaching and encourages others to do the same. She isn’t someone trying to what is right but failing. She is actively promoting a culture of death. That the Pope can’t bring himself to speak out against that makes me think the old question “Is the Pope Catholic?” is no longer rhetorical.

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  10. Scott Wilmot Member
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    She (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot: However, it wasn’t what we expected.

    It’s exactly what I expected.

    I liked your comment but it is such a sad commentary on our Holy Father. Please pray for him.

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  11. Scott Wilmot Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Apparently, Paul Pelosi did not have to surrender his passport.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/paul-pelosi-charged-dui-with-injury-misdemeanor/index.html

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  12. Painter Jean Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    In reading about this, I came across a quote from Francis that I was not aware of. I’m just going to put it out there. I don’t consider myself worthy to judge it, although it certainly sounds like something he might say. According to the Pope, the Eucharist is “not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”

    Yeah, and that’s very true. But that frames the issue in a very disengenous way – the question isn’t one of perfection, it’s one of unreprentent public sin. 

    I’m afraid it’s exactly what I’ve come to expect from this sorry shepherd (“Francis the Foolish”, my late husband dubbed him.).

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  13. BDB Coolidge
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    Scott Wilmot: And what a slap in the face to Archbishop Cordileone who publicly reprimanded Mrs. Pelosi and forbade her from receiving Holy Communion until she publicly repents of her pro-abortion beliefs and activities.

    Denominations have been founded over less.  There are plenty of Catholics who are about fed up with Communism’s Pope.

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  14. Painter Jean Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot: And what a slap in the face to Archbishop Cordileone who publicly reprimanded Mrs. Pelosi and forbade her from receiving Holy Communion until she publicly repents of her pro-abortion beliefs and activities.

    Denominations have been founded over less. There are plenty of Catholics who are about fed up with Communism’s Pope.

    Schism isn’t the answer. We’ll just have to wait and persevere. 

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  15. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot: he is first and foremost the Vicar of Christ (a title that he has erased)

    Forgive my ignorance, but how did he erase this title?

    You obviously don’t have the Secret Pope Francis decoder ring – although it is some serious inside Catholic baseball sort of thing:

    https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=45849

    If Pope Francis no longer believes that he represents Jesus Christ, I wonder who he thinks that he does represent?

    There are no good answers to that question…

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  16. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot: he is first and foremost the Vicar of Christ (a title that he has erased)

    Forgive my ignorance, but how did he erase this title?

    You obviously don’t have the Secret Pope Francis decoder ring – although it is some serious inside Catholic baseball sort of thing:

    https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=45849

    If Pope Francis no longer believes that he represents Jesus Christ, I wonder who he thinks that he does represent?

    There are no good answers to that question…

    Well he obviously represents good vibes.

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  17. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot: And what a slap in the face to Archbishop Cordileone who publicly reprimanded Mrs. Pelosi and forbade her from receiving Holy Communion until she publicly repents of her pro-abortion beliefs and activities.

    Denominations have been founded over less. There are plenty of Catholics who are about fed up with Communism’s Pope.

    Schism isn’t the answer. We’ll just have to wait and persevere.

    Martin Luther acted up because he didn’t like how the construction of Cathedrals was being funded.

    Abortion would seem to be much, much, much more important to the central message of the church.  If Catholics (and Christians in general) can’t agree that it’s wrong to kill innocent babies, then what on earth can they possibly agree on?

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  18. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    In reading about this, I came across a quote from Francis that I was not aware of. I’m just going to put it out there. I don’t consider myself worthy to judge it, although it certainly sounds like something he might say. According to the Pope, the Eucharist is “not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”

    A strawman by the Red Pope.

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    The Catholic church is as lost as all other great institutions in the world.

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  20. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot: he is first and foremost the Vicar of Christ (a title that he has erased)

    Forgive my ignorance, but how did he erase this title?

    You obviously don’t have the Secret Pope Francis decoder ring – although it is some serious inside Catholic baseball sort of thing:

    https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=45849

    If Pope Francis no longer believes that he represents Jesus Christ, I wonder who he thinks that he does represent?

    There are no good answers to that question…

    Well he obviously represents good vibes.

    Top marx for that answer. 

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  21. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot: he is first and foremost the Vicar of Christ (a title that he has erased)

    Forgive my ignorance, but how did he erase this title?

    You obviously don’t have the Secret Pope Francis decoder ring – although it is some serious inside Catholic baseball sort of thing:

    https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=45849

    If Pope Francis no longer believes that he represents Jesus Christ, I wonder who he thinks that he does represent?

    There are no good answers to that question…

    I think Iron Maiden put it best.

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  22. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    In reading about this, I came across a quote from Francis that I was not aware of. I’m just going to put it out there. I don’t consider myself worthy to judge it, although it certainly sounds like something he might say. According to the Pope, the Eucharist is “not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”

    He is absolutely correct as far as he goes. What is missing is the call to contrition and repentance. We are all weak sinners.

    I’m pretty sure Nancy has used this exact quote.

    St. John Chrysostom does say:

    The Church is a hospital, and not a courtroom, for souls. She does not condemn on behalf of sins, but grants remission of sins.

    But St. Paul tells us this in 1 Corinthians 11:27-30:

    Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

    (Emphasis added)

    It is the job of the pastor to ensure that his members flock do not “eat and drink damnation to themselves.” Confession and repentance are necessary before receiving the Body and Blood of Christ.

    (NB: Not a Roman Catholic, but an Orthodox Christian. Though our churches are in agreement on this.)

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  23. Chuck Thatcher
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    Not an RC, nor even close. So I can be corrected, but seems to me that a fair number of Popes back – like the JFK era or even before – politicians were given some sort of pass? Like they could vote for things that were contrary to official church doctrine?

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  24. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    The Catholic church is as lost as all other great institutions in the world.

    I disagree strongly Bryan. The Church, the Body of Christ is not lost, it is just that so many can’t find her and proclaim her; including many bishops.

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  25. BDB Coolidge
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    The Catholic church is as lost as all other great institutions in the world.

    I disagree strongly Bryan. The Church, the Body of Christ is not lost, it is just that so many can’t find her and proclaim her; including many bishops.

    I’m not religious so I’ll just get to the point — this commie Pope is one of them.

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  26. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    The Catholic church is as lost as all other great institutions in the world.

    I disagree strongly Bryan. The Church, the Body of Christ is not lost, it is just that so many can’t find her and proclaim her; including many bishops.

    The Body of Christ is not lost.

    The institution of the Catholic Church is just people, buildings, books, and resources. It is a human organization just like every other one on Earth. 

    And it is lost just like the rest. All major institutions are over by the left. There is not one not under the spell, including Rome.

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  27. Doug Watt Moderator
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    Unfortunately, Pope Francis is no Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI. He is the model for priests and bishops that spend their time reading the New York Times rather than the Liturgy of the Hours.

    The best kept secret of this pontificate, at least so far as the general publicis concerned, is that Jorge Bergoglio is not, and never has been, a nice man. He made so many enemies in Argentina that he hasn’t dared set foot in his native country since being elected pope.

    Francis has a streak of cruelty in him, and recently he’s done little to hide it. Last year his authoritarian attempt to crush regular celebrations of the traditional Latin Mass offended hundreds of bishops who don’t like that style of worship but dislike the Argentinian pontiff even more. They have quietly ignored the ruling, much to the fury of the papal liturgy chief, a painfully self-important Yorkshireman called Arthur Roche who will be made a cardinal in August.

    Pope Francis is not the Church and like everyone else he will pass away. Catholics would do well to look to the Catechism rather than those who are Modernists.

     

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  28. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    The Catholic church is as lost as all other great institutions in the world.

    I disagree strongly Bryan. The Church, the Body of Christ is not lost, it is just that so many can’t find her and proclaim her; including many bishops.

    The Body of Christ is not lost.

    The institution of the Catholic Church is just people, buildings, books, and resources. It is a human organization just like every other one on Earth.

    And it is lost just like the rest. All major institutions are over by the left. There is not one not under the spell, including Rome.

    That is your Protestant understanding Bryan, this is why we disagree. And we’ve discussed this before so there is no use in going through it again. I hope you’ll pray for the pope and the bishops and priests who are lost. They need it.

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  29. Jim McConnell Member
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    Shameful. It calls to mind the old quip, “Is the Pope Catholic?”

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  30. Scott Wilmot Member
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