Pope Francis Finally Weighs In on the Overturning of Roe v Wade

Scott Wilmot
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Faithful Catholics all over the US have been waiting to hear from Pope Francis on the recent SCOTUS decision on Dobbs and the overturn of Roe v Wade. Receiving a joyous and heartfelt message from the Pope would be a great gift to all those who have prayed and sacrificed and worked for this day.

However, it wasn’t what we expected. As one has heard, a picture tells a thousand words.

Pope Francis, greets Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and her husband, Paul Pelosi before celebrating a Mass on the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, in St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican, Wednesday, June 29, 2022. Pelosi met with Pope Francis on Wednesday and received Communion during a papal Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica, witnesses said, despite her position in support of abortion rights. (Vatican Media via AP)

For some reason, Nancy Pelosi, one of the most prominent pro-abortion Catholic politicians (and perhaps the face of the movement) just happened to be at the Vatican on June 29. According to this article, Pelosi met with Francis on Wednesday before the Mass and received a blessing, and then received Holy Communion at the papal mass in St. Peter’s on the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul. What a coincidence. And what a scandal. And what a slap in the face to Archbishop Cordileone who publicly reprimanded Mrs. Pelosi and forbade her from receiving Holy Communion until she publicly repents of her pro-abortion beliefs and activities.

Now some will say, Scott, you darn rigid restorationist you, you just hate Vatican II, and that is why you always bring up these Pope Francis scandals. How in the world can this merciful pope know everything there is to know about the USA?

Well, for one thing, he was aware of the horrific deaths of the illegal immigrants near San Antonio and sent out a tweet asking for prayers.

It is a monumental scandal that Pope Francis allows this to happen. From his homily at the mass:

Francis has strongly upheld the church’s opposition to abortion, and on Wednesday said church leaders must “continue to care for human life.” But in his homily, Francis also instructed the new archbishops to welcome everyone into the church, including sinners, and to not “remain pinned to some of our fruitless debates.”

“So many times we become a church with open doors, but only to send people away, to condemn them,” he said.

This is standard doublespeak for the pope. Yes, one welcomes sinners, but one also calls them to repentance. He says he is opposed to abortion – going so far as to call it murder, yet allows Holy Communion to be given to a manifest grave sinner such as Nancy Pelosi. Yes, the pope is a head of state, and must meet and greet all types, but he is first and foremost the Vicar of Christ (a title that he has erased) and a pastor of souls. As one said before, this is a monumental scandal. And Pelosi will run with it – she will continue to use these types of photos and the fact that “she received Holy Communion at a papal mass” to push for abortion.

I would be pleased if someone can point me somewhere to see that the pope has praised and celebrated the overturn of Roe v Wade. Yes, the gutted Pontifical Academy for Life issued a short statement, but it was very weak and bizarrely said nothing to simply condemn abortion unequivocally and celebrate the victory.

Perhaps one day popes and cardinals and archbishops will use their authority to crack down on these pro-abortion politicians in the US and fervently work to change their minds and save their souls. Until then, we will continue to see more of this:

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  1. BDB Inactive
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    1:26 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 4, 2022

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.

    –I Corinthians 11:27-29

    Francis’ idea of pastoral nature appears to be very, very dark.

    Something nature puts in the pasture.

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  2. Scott Wilmot Member
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    4:46 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 5, 2022

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  3. Ansonia Member
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    2:52 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 6, 2022

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    I’m not a practicing Catholic. I also don’t like what I’ve seen and heard about of Pope Francis and the Latin Mass for one or two reasons.

    But here’s what I think: I think if you people don’t want your Crisis Pregnancy Centers to continue to be set ablaze (so that they aren’t available to help those unborn children and the mothers who carry them) and if you don’t want an increase in your churches being vandalized, you’ll understand Pope Francis being quiet about the end of Roe v.Wade and cooperative about giving this evil and dangerous hag her blessing, Photo-op, V.I.P. seat and wafer. (Remember Kneeling Nancy during the George Floyd riots ?)

    I think it’s possible—-No. I think it’s likely—-that both Pelosi and Pope Francis know she’s in a position of power in what amounts to a hostage situation.

    Instead of running down Pope Francis (over this particular situation, I mean) is there some way ordinary Catholics can give some kind of moral or social support to Archbishop Cordileone and economic support to crisis pregnancy centers?

    Hey, I’ll have an extra $ 70 in August without my spouse squawking too much ? Can anyone suggest a crisis pregnancy center to which I can donate it ?

    Catholic specifically? I know I’ve donated to something in Friendswood TX. No denomination there, I think. I believe Dallas had a Catholic one called White Rose. Probably still does. I think I may have sent some money their way myself long ago.

    If you look on maps online for a CPC near you you probably find one in your own state. You can Google its name and probably find their website which will probably have an online donation option.

    St Augustine, 

    Something very weird happened today. 
    This afternoon I was out having a cigarette and thinking about the name of the pregnancy center you mentioned, the White Rose in Dallas. I did something between thinking and praying, wishing to God I had 100 dollars to donate now. Maybe an hour later, our neighbor showed up at the door with a check for 105 saying that his mother in law had mistakenly overcharged us for some money we had paid her for the time I bumped into her car.

    So, I have 100 now.

    As soon as you conveniently can, would you please confirm for me that you were talking about…

    White Rose Women’s Center

    4313 N. Central Expy

    Dallas TX

    75205

    They’re not clear on the internet that they’re actually pro-life. I believe they are, but I want to be absolutely sure we’re talking about the same place.

    Thanks.

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  4. Western Chauvinist Member
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    3:08 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 6, 2022

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    I’m not a practicing Catholic. I also don’t like what I’ve seen and heard about of Pope Francis and the Latin Mass for one or two reasons.

    But here’s what I think: I think if you people don’t want your Crisis Pregnancy Centers to continue to be set ablaze (so that they aren’t available to help those unborn children and the mothers who carry them) and if you don’t want an increase in your churches being vandalized, you’ll understand Pope Francis being quiet about the end of Roe v.Wade and cooperative about giving this evil and dangerous hag her blessing, Photo-op, V.I.P. seat and wafer. (Remember Kneeling Nancy during the George Floyd riots ?)

    I think it’s possible—-No. I think it’s likely—-that both Pelosi and Pope Francis know she’s in a position of power in what amounts to a hostage situation.

    Instead of running down Pope Francis (over this particular situation, I mean) is there some way ordinary Catholics can give some kind of moral or social support to Archbishop Cordileone and economic support to crisis pregnancy centers?

    Hey, I’ll have an extra $ 70 in August without my spouse squawking too much ? Can anyone suggest a crisis pregnancy center to which I can donate it ?

    Catholic specifically? I know I’ve donated to something in Friendswood TX. No denomination there, I think. I believe Dallas had a Catholic one called White Rose. Probably still does. I think I may have sent some money their way myself long ago.

    If you look on maps online for a CPC near you you probably find one in your own state. You can Google its name and probably find their website which will probably have an online donation option.

    St Augustine,

    Something very weird happened today.
    This afternoon I was out having a cigarette and thinking about the name of the pregnancy center you mentioned, the White Rose in Dallas. I did something between thinking and praying, wishing to God I had 100 dollars to donate now. Maybe an hour later, our neighbor showed up at the door with a check for 105 saying that his mother in law had mistakenly overcharged us for some money we had paid her for the time I bumped into her car.

    So, I have 100 now.

    As soon as you conveniently can, would you please confirm for me that you were talking about…

    White Rose Women’s Center

    4313 N. Central Expy

    Dallas TX

    75205

    They’re not clear on the internet that they’re actually pro-life. I believe they are, but I want to be absolutely sure we’re talking about the same place.

    Thanks.

    Wow! Prayers aren’t usually answered that quickly! It seems you’re on God’s page in this.

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  5. Ansonia Member
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    3:30 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 6, 2022

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    I’m not a practicing Catholic. I also don’t like what I’ve seen and heard about of Pope Francis and the Latin Mass for one or two reasons.

    But here’s what I think: I think if you people don’t want your Crisis Pregnancy Centers to continue to be set ablaze (so that they aren’t available to help those unborn children and the mothers who carry them) and if you don’t want an increase in your churches being vandalized, you’ll understand Pope Francis being quiet about the end of Roe v.Wade and cooperative about giving this evil and dangerous hag her blessing, Photo-op, V.I.P. seat and wafer. (Remember Kneeling Nancy during the George Floyd riots ?)

    I think it’s possible—-No. I think it’s likely—-that both Pelosi and Pope Francis know she’s in a position of power in what amounts to a hostage situation.

    Instead of running down Pope Francis (over this particular situation, I mean) is there some way ordinary Catholics can give some kind of moral or social support to Archbishop Cordileone and economic support to crisis pregnancy centers?

    Hey, I’ll have an extra $ 70 in August without my spouse squawking too much ? Can anyone suggest a crisis pregnancy center to which I can donate it ?

    Catholic specifically? I know I’ve donated to something in Friendswood TX. No denomination there, I think. I believe Dallas had a Catholic one called White Rose. Probably still does. I think I may have sent some money their way myself long ago.

    If you look on maps online for a CPC near you you probably find one in your own state. You can Google its name and probably find their website which will probably have an online donation option.

    St Augustine,

    Something very weird happened today.
    This afternoon I was out having a cigarette and thinking about the name of the pregnancy center you mentioned, the White Rose in Dallas. I did something between thinking and praying, wishing to God I had 100 dollars to donate now. Maybe an hour later, our neighbor showed up at the door with a check for 105 saying that his mother in law had mistakenly overcharged us for some money we had paid her for the time I bumped into her car.

    So, I have 100 now.

    As soon as you conveniently can, would you please confirm for me that you were talking about…

    White Rose Women’s Center

    4313 N. Central Expy

    Dallas TX

    75205

    They’re not clear on the internet that they’re actually pro-life. I believe they are, but I want to be absolutely sure we’re talking about the same place.

    Thanks.

    Wow! Prayers aren’t usually answered that quickly! It seems you’re on God’s page in this.

    I’ll take that as a confirmation I have the right place and send $100.

     

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  6. Saint Augustine Member
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    4:05 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 6, 2022

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    I’m not a practicing Catholic. I also don’t like what I’ve seen and heard about of Pope Francis and the Latin Mass for one or two reasons.

    But here’s what I think: I think if you people don’t want your Crisis Pregnancy Centers to continue to be set ablaze (so that they aren’t available to help those unborn children and the mothers who carry them) and if you don’t want an increase in your churches being vandalized, you’ll understand Pope Francis being quiet about the end of Roe v.Wade and cooperative about giving this evil and dangerous hag her blessing, Photo-op, V.I.P. seat and wafer. (Remember Kneeling Nancy during the George Floyd riots ?)

    I think it’s possible—-No. I think it’s likely—-that both Pelosi and Pope Francis know she’s in a position of power in what amounts to a hostage situation.

    Instead of running down Pope Francis (over this particular situation, I mean) is there some way ordinary Catholics can give some kind of moral or social support to Archbishop Cordileone and economic support to crisis pregnancy centers?

    Hey, I’ll have an extra $ 70 in August without my spouse squawking too much ? Can anyone suggest a crisis pregnancy center to which I can donate it ?

    Catholic specifically? I know I’ve donated to something in Friendswood TX. No denomination there, I think. I believe Dallas had a Catholic one called White Rose. Probably still does. I think I may have sent some money their way myself long ago.

    If you look on maps online for a CPC near you you probably find one in your own state. You can Google its name and probably find their website which will probably have an online donation option.

    St Augustine,

    Something very weird happened today.
    This afternoon I was out having a cigarette and thinking about the name of the pregnancy center you mentioned, the White Rose in Dallas. I did something between thinking and praying, wishing to God I had 100 dollars to donate now. Maybe an hour later, our neighbor showed up at the door with a check for 105 saying that his mother in law had mistakenly overcharged us for some money we had paid her for the time I bumped into her car.

    So, I have 100 now.

    As soon as you conveniently can, would you please confirm for me that you were talking about…

    White Rose Women’s Center

    4313 N. Central Expy

    Dallas TX

    75205

    They’re not clear on the internet that they’re actually pro-life. I believe they are, but I want to be absolutely sure we’re talking about the same place.

    Thanks.

    Wow! Prayers aren’t usually answered that quickly! It seems you’re on God’s page in this.

    I’ll take that as a confirmation I have the right place and send $100.

    Sounds awesome to me!

    It looks like the right place to me.  (But I was lucky to remember the name at all!  My memories aren’t much to go on.)

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  7. Ansonia Member
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    4:30 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 6, 2022

    I feel like an idiot.
    On a hunch I shouldn’t have even needed to have, I typed into bing “White Rose  is symbol for Virgin Mary ?”

    Well, yeah.

    Even without knowing that, the mention of “free ultrasounds for those who qualify” should have assured me I was at the right place.

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  8. Saint Augustine Member
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    4:35 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 6, 2022

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    I feel like an idiot.
    On a hunch I shouldn’t have even needed to have, I typed into bing “White Rose  is symbol for Virgin Mary ?”

    I should have known that.

    Of course, I didn’t.

    Picard Facepalm GIFs | Tenor

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  9. Western Chauvinist Member
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    4:46 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 6, 2022

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    I feel like an idiot.
    On a hunch I shouldn’t have even needed to have, I typed into bing “White Rose is symbol for Virgin Mary ?”

    Well, yeah.

    Even without knowing that, the mention of “free ultrasounds for those who qualify” should have assured me I was at the right place.

    If it makes you feel any better, I didn’t know it either! And I’m Catholic!

    In my (our) defense, Mary has so many titles and symbols, it’s hard to keep track of them all.

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  10. Scott Wilmot Member
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    5:21 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 13, 2022

    I don’t find his statement strong at all – I see it as quite weak and lacking.

    Pope Francis has described it as an “incoherence” that President Joe Biden, a Catholic, is in favor of legal abortion.

    During an interview with Univisión and Televisa broadcast July 12, Pope Francis spoke about abortion and Biden’s position, after being asked about whether to admit politicians who promote legal abortion to Holy Communion.

    The Holy Father affirmed that there is scientific data that show that “a month after conception, the DNA of the fetus is already there and the organs are aligned. There is human life.”

    “Is it just to eliminate a human life?” he then asked.

    As for the defense of abortion by the U.S. president, Pope Francis stated that he leaves it to Biden’s “conscience.”

    “Let (Biden) talk to his pastor about that incoherence,” the pope said.

    So Biden’s 100% support for abortion on demand, and his work to enshrine this into law, is a mere incoherence, not a manifest grave evil. And then the pope washes his hands of this saying leave it up to his pastor knowing full well that Archbishop Gregory and Bishop Koenig will do absolutely nothing as they have confirmed time and time again. This is an absolute scandal.

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  11. Scott Wilmot Member
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    5:23 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 13, 2022

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  12. Scott Wilmot Member
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    5:23 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 13, 2022

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  13. Scott Wilmot Member
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    9:07 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 13, 2022

    I want to comment more on the CNA article, specifically this on conscience:

    As for the defense of abortion by the U.S. president, Pope Francis stated that he leaves it to Biden’s “conscience.”

    I wrote an essay once on conscience and truth. That essay was from the time of Amoris Laetitia and dealt with giving Holy Communion to adulterers. Reading the essay again, it still holds up when talking about giving Holy Communion to pro-abortion Catholic politicians.

    There is a grave misunderstanding of conscience among Catholics today, and Pope Francis reinforces this mistake when he leaves the defense of abortion to Biden’s conscience. This quote from my essay (which comes from Veritatis Splendor) sums the mistake up nicely:

    Conscience is no longer considered in its primordial reality as an act of a person’s intelligence, the function of which is to apply the universal knowledge of the good in a specific situation and thus to express a judgment about the right conduct to be chosen here and now. Instead, there is a tendency to grant to the individual conscience the prerogative of independently determining the criteria of good and evil and then acting accordingly. Such an outlook is quite congenial to an individualist ethic, wherein each individual is faced with his own truth, different from the truth of others. Taken to its extreme consequences, this individualism leads to a denial of the very idea of human nature.

    I’m pretty sure Biden and Pelosi have never heard of Veritatis Splendor, let alone read any of it. Their ignorance is manifest in their actions.

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  14. Western Chauvinist Member
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    10:18 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 13, 2022

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    I don’t find his statement strong at all – I see it as quite weak and lacking.

    Pope Francis has described it as an “incoherence” that President Joe Biden, a Catholic, is in favor of legal abortion.

    During an interview with Univisión and Televisa broadcast July 12, Pope Francis spoke about abortion and Biden’s position, after being asked about whether to admit politicians who promote legal abortion to Holy Communion.

    The Holy Father affirmed that there is scientific data that show that “a month after conception, the DNA of the fetus is already there and the organs are aligned. There is human life.”

    “Is it just to eliminate a human life?” he then asked.

    As for the defense of abortion by the U.S. president, Pope Francis stated that he leaves it to Biden’s “conscience.”

    “Let (Biden) talk to his pastor about that incoherence,” the pope said.

    So Biden’s 100% support for abortion on demand, and his work to enshrine this into law, is a mere incoherence, not a manifest grave evil. And then the pope washes his hands of this saying leave it up to his pastor knowing full well that Archbishop Gregory and Bishop Koenig will do absolutely nothing as they have confirmed time and time again. This is an absolute scandal.

    My hair is on fire!!

    Why, oh why, do lefties always feel the need to comment on subjects far outside their competency?? A month?? A MONTH??!!! A child’s unique, irreplaceable DNA (the programming for all that follows) is present immediately upon conception! Cell division starts immediately!  Human life begins at conception!! Not a month later. It’s SCIENCE! in addition to being CHURCH TEACHING!! Is he so incurious as to never have seen the decades old movies of an egg undergoing fertilization and what happens next? I remember watching in fascination as a kid.

    “Is it just to eliminate a human life?” This is a question??? Did he intend to leave out “innocent” so as to put abortion on par with his opposition to capital punishment, even for heinous murderers?? OMG.

    And isn’t he the servant of the servants?? The chief steward? Doesn’t that mean he gives direction to Joe Biden’s bishops?? And Joe Biden’s “incoherence” might otherwise be stated as “deformed conscience.” Don’t priests have a sacred obligation to help him overcome that??

    W.T.H.??

    I’m a bad Catholic (my use of foul language is increasingly similar to Clark Griswold’s). But, I have to ask without sarcasm, “is this Pope Catholic” at all? I guess he’s Catholic, he’s just a bad pope. Lord help us.

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  15. Western Chauvinist Member
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    10:29 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 13, 2022

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    “Instead, there is a tendency to grant to the individual conscience the prerogative of independently determining the criteria of good and evil and then acting accordingly. Such an outlook is quite congenial to an individualist ethic, wherein each individual is faced with his own truth, different from the truth of others. Taken to its extreme consequences, this individualism leads to a denial of the very idea of human nature.” — Veritatis Splendor

    PBXVI called it the “tyranny of relativism.” 

    I call it self-deification. 

    The OT says, “Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.”

    It never works out well.

     

     

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  16. Sisyphus Member
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    12:24 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 13, 2022

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    “Instead, there is a tendency to grant to the individual conscience the prerogative of independently determining the criteria of good and evil and then acting accordingly. Such an outlook is quite congenial to an individualist ethic, wherein each individual is faced with his own truth, different from the truth of others. Taken to its extreme consequences, this individualism leads to a denial of the very idea of human nature.” — Veritatis Splendor

    PBXVI called it the “tyranny of relativism.”

    I call it self-deification.

    The OT says, “Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.”

    It never works out well.

     

     

    Pachamama says he’s the best ever.

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  17. Scott Wilmot Member
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    3:44 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 15, 2022

    I’m happy to hear this from Archbishop Naumann.

    Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City in Kansas has said he is “sad” over the way Pope Francis has handled the controversy surrounding the pro-abortion actions of President Joe Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whose positions on the issue are at sharp odds with the teaching of their Catholic faith on the sanctity of human life.

    Naumann’s comment was one of several pointed statements he made on the controversy in an interview with the German newspaper Die Tagespost published Wednesday.

    “I think the pope doesn’t understand the U.S., just as he doesn’t understand the Church in the U.S.,” the archbishop told the newspaper, according to CNA Deutsch, CNA’s German-language news partner.

    “His advisers and the people surrounding him have completely misinformed him on this,” Naumann added.

    In an interview with CNA on Thursday, Naumann stood by his comments to the newspaper, saying, “I said what I said.”

    However, Naumann clarified that he spoke to the German news outlet prior to becoming aware of Pope Francis’ most recent comments regarding Biden, in which the pope referred to the U.S. president’s pro-abortion position as an “incoherence” in respect to his Catholic faith.

    In the interview with Univisión and Televisa broadcast July 12, the pope said he leaves the matter to Biden’s “conscience,” but he also suggested that Biden discuss the conflict with his pastor.

    “I wasn’t aware of that statement by the Holy Father and I do think that’s helpful,” Naumann told CNA. “It’s very helpful because I think that’s exactly true, that his position is incoherent with Catholic teaching. So I’m grateful for that clarification by the Holy Father.”

    In his comments to Tagespost, Naumann said, “Of course we have to be pastoral” when dealing with such matters.

    “However, it is not pastoral to tell someone they are a good Catholic and can receive Communion as a matter of course, when that person has committed a grave evil,” he continued. “The fact that the pope received Pelosi was politically exploited. In doing so, Francis is doing exactly what he warns others not to do.”

    I would love to hear more of this from our bishops – the successors of the Apostles.

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  18. Scott Wilmot Member
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    5:45 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2022

    It would be wonderful if active bishops would follow this retire bishop’s lead.

    QUOTE

    “Our own president is considering declaring abortion a public health emergency,” Bishop Michael D. Pfeifer, bishop emeritus of San Angelo, wrote in a July pastoral statement. “The speaker of the house is trying to enshrine abortion on demand in federal law.”

    He urged: “We bishops and all pro-lifers must send an unmistakable message to these pro-abortion leaders that we will never let these horrible death plans be enacted.”
    UNQUOTE

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