David French Is Not a Serious Conservative

 

The one area where we have had strong movement, gun rights, he attacks. Idolatry? Please. French wants to compromise and give up on progress made.

But, that is not the real reason he is not a serious conservative. No, this is just icing on the cake. Proof, if you will, of his nature. He proved he was unserious when he genuinely considered Bill Kristol’s plan to run for President and try to get the election thrown to the House. A serious conservative would never have courted a constitutional crisis because he did not like the GOP nominee.

So, of course, French is against standing our ground on guns. What else can we expect from a man who thought it would have been a good idea for our Republic to be selected President after 90%+ of the voters voted for someone else.

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  1. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    Out of free articles. And I’m not reading The Dispatch, so, oh well.

    Funny they make their big counter behind a pay wall. Really sad.

    What?

    NRplus is something you have to pay for. Not gonna do it. Not while the official postion of their editor in chief is against me as poor Ole southern racist for not wanting monuments removed.

    I don’t know what their business model is admittedly. I took the earlier comment to mean that they gave a certain number go free articles, usually five. I would always defend your right to spend your $$$ as you see fit, as I would their own decisions about how to stay in business.

    Does any part of NR actually stay in business because of paying customers, rather than donors?

    Yes, I enjoy NRO plus and don’t want to give up my printed version. I can pick and choose what to read and always find some good stuff. I ignore other stuff.

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  2. GFHandle Member
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):
    R’s too often lose on the seeming compassion of being “sympathetic to the downtrodden.” It becomes a bidding war they can’t win. Ask the downtrodden whether they prefer bootstraps values and tough love or cold hard cash.

    I agree on the compassion point, but I hope the second is a false dichotomy. There are ways to be compassionate that don’t involve throwing money.  Democrats oppose school choice, for example. How compassionate is that? They won’t allow all boys’ schools (which can really matter), how compassionate is that.  And as for the abandonment of the working person, Amen. They seem to hate the workers these days.

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  3. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    Out of free articles. And I’m not reading The Dispatch, so, oh well.

    Funny they make their big counter behind a pay wall. Really sad.

    What?

    NRplus is something you have to pay for. Not gonna do it. Not while the official postion of their editor in chief is against me as poor Ole southern racist for not wanting monuments removed.

    I don’t know what their business model is admittedly. I took the earlier comment to mean that they gave a certain number go free articles, usually five. I would always defend your right to spend your $$$ as you see fit, as I would their own decisions about how to stay in business.

    Does any part of NR actually stay in business because of paying customers, rather than donors?

    I don’t think so

    Well, where is the tipping point? Let’s assume that NR stays alive by donations. But, depending on the level of donations, they may also stay alive by subscription. In short, every little bit helps.

    Unless something has changed, the print version isn’t a money maker. NR Plus is a good product. The website is clean and easy to navigate. 

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  4. Patrick McClure Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    but if people can’t bring themselves to support Trump against the Left in the eventuality that he’s the nominee, they’re complicit in the destruction of the country and our (my) kids’ future.

    I am at the point that if the R nominee is anyone other than Trump I probably will not vote. I didn’t like Trump going into 11/2016, but figured he was better than Hillary. He has been more conservative and pro-American than anyone since Reagan. I don’t argue anymore with people too blind to see that. But I sure am not voting for another milquetoast like Romney or turncoat like McCain. Republicans have lost me. 

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    GFHandle (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I don’t see the big problem of posing with guns. I’ve mostly never seen a good explanation of why it’s a big problem

    I remember being angry when some Panthers showed up with guns at voting stations. They didn’t shoot anyone, but it seemed like a threat.  I guess it all depends whom you identify with.

     

    This is not art, or silly art–pictures. It’s intimidation. 

    Rappers etc. posing  with guns, rapping about guns etc.  is not ideal because of the social set up, but I don’t know what to do about it.

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  6. Red Herring Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    I’m biased of course, but I don’t get it. Warning: link goes to a site whose senior writer is one of the most effective and intelligent gun-rights advocates working in the media today. Are good conservatives supposed to reel away from NR on general principle, and only venture into the den when assured the headlines on the front page will not cause anger or distress?

    I dunno, maybe reading NR occasionally isn’t so bad, as long as it’s done in a way that they don’t get money for.

    That is not a sane view. The NR Institute puts a lot into spreading conservative principles. It has traveling seminars, outreach to college students , and their Burke to Buckley seminars. I have attended some of their intros to them on the cruises and the people they bring in are quite good. There is a weekly one going on now that I didn’t sign up for because I am not free on Tuesday nights. Had they made it Wednesday, I would have paid for the online version. I understand the dislike some have but most of the writers that angered people aren’t there. A few still are. I just ignore them. It would be a big win for the left if they could make it go under. I do my part to keep the left from having that victory. 

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  7. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    It is a very good article and worth your time.

    Not going to pay to read it.

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  8. AMD Texas Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Challenge: Name a single “Never Trump Conservative” who has maintained his intellectual integrity.

    BY which I mean, someone who maintains the same conservative philosophy they espoused prior to the Trump administration, and/or has not supported or endorsed Democrat candidates or gone to work for Democrat media outlets with views antithetical to that conservative philosophy.

    Well, I was NT before the election, but his victory made that a moot and silly position; I subsequently shifted to not focusing on DJT The Man and considered the overall effect of his tenancy in the office, i.e., are the policies sufficiently conservative and do they produce better outcomes for the country. The idea that I should vote D or trumpet D candidates to restore balance and thus ensure mythical future conservative victories seemed ridiculous.

    This perfectly describes my position and to this day I cannot understand commentators like Goldberg that could not see the idiocy of voting for Hillary or McMuffin over a guy that seemed to put them off their feed because they just didn’t like him.

    Remember, the vote for McMullin was engaging in a plan to throw the vote to the House and have them select someone that 90%+ of the people did not vote for. In the name of “Democracy”

    Idiocy

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  9. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    but if people can’t bring themselves to support Trump against the Left in the eventuality that he’s the nominee, they’re complicit in the destruction of the country and our (my) kids’ future.

    I am at the point that if the R nominee is anyone other than Trump I probably will not vote. I didn’t like Trump going into 11/2016, but figured he was better than Hillary. He has been more conservative and pro-American than anyone since Reagan. I don’t argue anymore with people too blind to see that. But I sure am not voting for another milquetoast like Romney or turncoat like McCain. Republicans have lost me.

    Oh, I don’t think the country is going back to Romney/McCain/Bush/Cheney Republicanism. These are some of the least popular people on the scene. It looks like either Trump or DeSantis will be at the top of the ticket, and I’m okay with that. It’s defeating the Left that matters. Know your enemy. 

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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):
    Reaganism is its own cult of personality, much in the same way Democrats fetishized FDR and Kennedy.

    Very true.

    Bill Kristol calls himself a “Reagan Conservative.”

    He tried to help a corrupt Democrat Clinton crony become governor of Virginia.

    His current gig is running a left-funded media outfit that opposes Republicans and supports Democrats.

    You can yourself whatever you like. Reagan wouldn’t approve of what Kristol has become

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    French seems to think the left will want to reach some sort of compromise on this issue. They won’t. They want to disarm us, and would if they could. 

    [And agreeing with most of Jerry’s comments] I think Mr. French has misdiagnosed what is happening in “gun culture.” But, I’m not sure Mr. Cooke is correct to say that “nothing in gun culture has changed.” I think defenders of the right of self defense (as documented in the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution) might appear more aggressive in their defense. But I think something has changed – we have lived through the last three to four years. I diagnose the possibly more aggressive defense of the right of self defense (and guns) as a reaction to well publicized events of the last three to four years in which governments (local, state, and federal) have demonstrated an unwillingness to defend citizens against invaders and violent criminals, criminals have become more bold and acted with more frequency under the approval of government agents, governments have imposed illegal and unconstitutional restrictions on the liberties of citizens under the excuse of a claimed public health event, government leaders have increasingly declared the citizen to the be enemy of the government and demonized up to half the population, and people of “the left” have demonstrated intentions to push to a complete, no compromise, totalitarian rule on topics including forcing sexual deviancy onto others including our children, imposing forced drugging on the populace, demanding the right to kill babies, imposing narrow ideological conformity, and making schools the enemies of parents. The “gun rights” people then reasonably conclude based on these recent past experiences that any compromise is likely to lead to more and more compromise until nothing is left. That resistance may look too “defiant” to those who mistakenly believe that forces for gun control might be willing to compromise, but those resisting see it as necessary to preserve any of our liberties, including our right to self defense, and might justifiably conclude they need to be more vocal about their position. 

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Challenge: Name a single “Never Trump Conservative” who has maintained his intellectual integrity.

    BY which I mean, someone who maintains the same conservative philosophy they espoused prior to the Trump administration, and/or has not supported or endorsed Democrat candidates or gone to work for Democrat media outlets with views antithetical to that conservative philosophy.

    How about Jonah Goldberg, David French, Mona Charen. Steve Hayes, Charlie Sykes, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Rob Long, John Podhoretz, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Noah Rothman, Matthew Continetti, Christine Rosen, or Yuval Levin? Or given Comment #31, James Lileks?

    There is a whole other world that the Trumpsters and Claremonsters don’t acknowledge.

    Right now Trump acolytes are ascendant. But Reaganism is Conservatism’s DNA. Some day Conservatives will abandon the Trump Cult of Personality, and will again embrace principles over personalities.

     

    David French is advocating giving ground of the right to keep and bear arms, and you are saying he has been consistent in his conservatism? If you are going to make that claim, you cpulx at least adress my point in the OP. Instead, you have not only not addressed the point, but have reverted to calling Trump supporters cultits. Again.

    Bryan there is a massive difference between religious cultists, and political “Cults of Personality.” I did not call you a “cultist.” I am saying that Trump promotes a “Cult of Personality” where he insists that Republicans adopt his Big Lie.

    Big Lie – Like “Russian Collusion” – does this count as a big lie?

     

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  13. Ole Summers Member
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    The Big Lie will be coming from the show-trial committee with Liz Cheney backing the latest attempt to distract from the real damage done to our country

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  14. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    I’m biased of course, but I don’t get it. Warning: link goes to a site whose senior writer is one of the most effective and intelligent gun-rights advocates working in the media today. Are good conservatives supposed to reel away from NR on general principle, and only venture into the den when assured the headlines on the front page will not cause anger or distress?

    I think it isn’t dislike that drives their comments. We dislike what the left writes but understand them and expect it of them. However, we feel betrayed by some we trusted on our side. For some, it was an unforgivable sin, especially now that the country is crumbling around them and they live under constant fear of what the Democrats will do.  The more we see 2020 as the tipping point, the angrier we get. I would be more concerned if they were apathetic. 

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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    French seems to think the left will want to reach some sort of compromise on this issue. They won’t. They want to disarm us, and would if they could.

    A lot of Bush-Republicans are very into this “reach across the aisle and compromise” thing. I don’t think it’s because they’re naive, I think it’s because they agree with Democrats on most things.

    I think any Republican that wants to see anything they advocate done in government better understand that they will likely have to reach across the aisle for some support. That includes when Republicans have POTUS and both houses of Congress.

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  16. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    Out of free articles. And I’m not reading The Dispatch, so, oh well.

    Funny they make their big counter behind a pay wall. Really sad.

    What?

    NRplus is something you have to pay for. Not gonna do it. Not while the official postion of their editor in chief is against me as poor Ole southern racist for not wanting monuments removed.

    I don’t know what their business model is admittedly. I took the earlier comment to mean that they gave a certain number go free articles, usually five. I would always defend your right to spend your $$$ as you see fit, as I would their own decisions about how to stay in business.

    To find out how the paywall works on NR I would have to visit NR. Life is too short.

    Wow. How Red pilled I have become where NR is now considered by many of us the enemy where it used to be our gateway drug.

    For me, I still find good stuff at NRO. I just don’t want to pay them for NR Plus or a subscription. Those dollars go to Ricochet, to Powerline, Clairmont Review of Books, and to VDH on his site. I have to be targeted. And if I had more money, I’d look at Reagan status here. I want to support the sites that feel they mostly line up with me. NR has moved away from me, or I them, or both.

    I will sign up to VDH’s. Meant to some time ago but have been real busy. 

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    Ole Summers (View Comment):

    The Big Lie will be coming from the show-trial committee with Liz Cheney backing the latest attempt to distract from the real damage done to our country

    I thought Mark Levin was really good on this last night. Monday show. I think from the start.

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  18. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    I have often wondered why NR shot itself in the foot with the “Against Trump” cover and inside content. I think of it as an unforced error or an ‘own goal’.

    Instead, they could have put their preferred Republican candidate on the cover with a major piece about why that candidate is just what we need right now.

    Would have made the same point without the temper tantrum that (I believe) they will never fully recover from.

    I can explain some of it and will at some point. 

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  19. Patrick McClure Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    but if people can’t bring themselves to support Trump against the Left in the eventuality that he’s the nominee, they’re complicit in the destruction of the country and our (my) kids’ future.

    I am at the point that if the R nominee is anyone other than Trump I probably will not vote. I didn’t like Trump going into 11/2016, but figured he was better than Hillary. He has been more conservative and pro-American than anyone since Reagan. I don’t argue anymore with people too blind to see that. But I sure am not voting for another milquetoast like Romney or turncoat like McCain. Republicans have lost me.

    Oh, I don’t think the country is going back to Romney/McCain/Bush/Cheney Republicanism. These are some of the least popular people on the scene. It looks like either Trump or DeSantis will be at the top of the ticket, and I’m okay with that. It’s defeating the Left that matters. Know your enemy.

    I’m sure Democrats are my enemy. The problem is I don’t believe any more that Republicans are my ally. If it is DeSantis I’ll likely vote for him. But beyond that I don’t trust Republicans to be any different from Democrats when it comes to conservative values.  

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  20. Terry Mott Member
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    AMD Texas (View Comment):

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    French seems to think the left will want to reach some sort of compromise on this issue. They won’t. They want to disarm us, and would if they could.

    A lot of Bush-Republicans are very into this “reach across the aisle and compromise” thing. I don’t think it’s because they’re naive, I think it’s because they agree with Democrats on most things.

    I think any Republican that wants to see anything they advocate done in government better understand that they will likely have to reach across the aisle for some support. That includes when Republicans have POTUS and both houses of Congress.

    The problem is that the GOPe idea of “compromise” is that the left gets some of what it’s asking for and conservatives get jack squat.  For example, instead of piling new gun laws on top of all the ones that we already have, insist that some of the existing laws be repealed before adding more.  Maybe pick the ones that the leftists refuse to enforce against their constituents.  Make the “compromise” so that we actually get something, rather than just giving up less than the left wants us to.

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  21. philo Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    I clicked on the link provided but couldn’t make if past his subtitle. Forget “conservative”, he is not a serious thinker. Period.

    Just curious. What was that subtitle?

    Not to be overly and unnecessarily combative but is there something preventing you from clicking the link provided in the first sentence of the OP? This seems to be a very easy answer to obtain…in fact, much easier than typing “Just curious. What was that subtitle?” Considering I spend a large part of my time here questioning people’s intellectual integrity and pointing out their obvious lack of good-faith, this kind of avoidance of easy data gathering tends to make me suspicious. Not that I have any specific memory of any lack of good faith on  your part…I even went back to my touchstone (i.e. the juvenile emotionalism of the comment section under that silly J6 Main Feed post) and found nothing through the first 20 pages of comments to fan that suspicion beyond the spark generated here. Therefore…wait, what was the question again?

     

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  22. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    I clicked on the link provided but couldn’t make if past his subtitle. Forget “conservative”, he is not a serious thinker. Period.

    Just curious. What was that subtitle?

    BTW, I think titles are generally not writen by the actual authors, or at least headlines aren’t. Over the years I have heard many complaints by authors about how their work was titled. Still, it probably isn’t far off from Mr. French’s intention.

    The subtitle is: “As American gun culture moves from defense to defiance, it puts our democracy at risk.”

    These may not have been French’s words, but I think that they are a fair summary of his article.  Among other things, the body of the article stated:

    • “No, the threat to America’s gun culture comes from the gun rights movement itself. The threat is gun idolatry, a form of gun fetish that’s fundamentally aggressive, grotesquely irresponsible, and potentially destabilizing to American democracy.”
    • “This transition from defense to defiance can destabilize our democracy.”

    I think that French makes one reasonable point, though I don’t know if the problem he identifies is as widespread as he indicates.  He argues that:

    Something has changed in the streets as well. It’s now common to see men and women armed to the teeth, open-carrying during anti-lockdown protests and even outside public officials’ homes. This is when the gun is used to menace and intimidate. It’s displayed not as a matter of defense but rather as an open act of defiance. It’s meant to make people uncomfortable. It’s meant to make them feel unsafe.

    I do agree that this presents a problem.  If you’re going to a political protest or rally, carrying an assault rifle could understandably be perceived as a threat.  Even open carrying a handgun could look threatening.  This is a genuine problem, though it does not lead me to reject the idea of open carry.  The circumstances matter, though.  Open carry can transition into intimidation pretty quickly.

     

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    The public display and (reported) increasing carry of weapons is a symptom, not a cause, David F French.

    Gun rights are increasingly under threat along with all of our other rights.  This does not bother the left, as they trust government to begin with, and they are not targeted anyway.

    It is not possible to explain the um “lived experience” of the right to the comfortable now-mainstream loony left.  They retain no connection to this culture, the Constitution, or anything it says.

    Guns are more visible, more present, and more valuable now because the need for them is increasing.

    I am a polite, wary, discreet gun owner.  I am well-trained, I’m damned good with a pistol, and I do not engage in minor arguments when armed.  Man pees on the sign in front of my building.  I’m armed so I literally look the other way.  Why?  Because that’s not worth shooting over, and you never know where something will lead.

    Keeping that particular powder dry for the real fight.

    I no longer travel to DC.  Ever.  I went to some protests/demonstrations in 2020.  That place, with its hostile, violent, democrat supermob majority and the fact that the good guys are disarmed, is a recipe for disaster.  And I wouldn’t count on the junta there helping.

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  24. Red Herring Coolidge
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    I don’t see the big problem of posing with guns. I’ve mostly never seen a good explanation of why it’s a big problem

    I remember being angry when some Panthers showed up with guns at voting stations. They didn’t shoot anyone, but it seemed like a threat. I guess it all depends whom you identify with.

    The left is lost, but the middle is persuadable. So rhetoric matters. A kid with a gun is not a win friends and influence people image, I think. A kid being shown how to use a gun by a cop or a father would be something else.

    To get out the message that responsible gun ownership is a civil right like any other is hard. One thing would be to stress how many inner city people legally acquired guns after the mostly peaceful demonstrations. Since the dems claim to care about that population, their denial of the right to self-defense would count. But at the moment, we are worried about attackers, not hobbyists, hunters, or reasonably prudent citizens.

    In any case, the focus on guns is a way to avoid the tough problem: the presence of the deranged in the general population.

     

    Context matters. Black Panthers showing up armed at polling places should be illegal, if not already illegal. Family pics at home are benign. Some pics the grabbers use have no context. 

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  25. philo Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment): If you’re going to a political protest or rally, carrying an assault rifle could understandably be perceived as a threat.  Even open carrying a handgun could look threatening.  This is a genuine problem, though it does not lead me to reject the idea of open carry.  The circumstances matter, though.  Open carry can transition into intimidation pretty quickly.

    Wrong. Now try some of that logical contortionism with the First Amendment. Or with the “threatening look” of the ANTIFA garb as they gather for the circumstances of their next insurrection riot mostly peaceful protest.

    Constitutional rights matter. 

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  26. Red Herring Coolidge
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    I have often wondered why NR shot itself in the foot with the “Against Trump” cover and inside content. I think of it as an unforced error or an ‘own goal’.

    Instead, they could have put their preferred Republican candidate on the cover with a major piece about why that candidate is just what we need right now.

    Would have made the same point without the temper tantrum that (I believe) they will never fully recover from.

    It was utter hypocrisy. Places like NR called for Trump to support the nominee if he lost. When he won, they refused to support him. Different rules for different people I guess.

    That’s not a correct timeline of the Against Trump issue. It was published in January 2016 as an attempt to get someone, anyone, else nominated. After the primaries were over, the writers generally split between NT and the binary choice argument in favor of Trump.

    I get that people hate NR for that issue, but at least get that right.

    They hate NR but not all the writers who contributed. In fact, only three were NR writers. I have kept the issue handy all these years. It was a big screw up but I defended it against attackers. The writers gave their rationale. Some were right and others were wrong. I wish I had a mea culpa issue to go along with it. What matters is what they did after the primary until Election Day 2020. 

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    philo (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment): If you’re going to a political protest or rally, carrying an assault rifle could understandably be perceived as a threat. Even open carrying a handgun could look threatening. This is a genuine problem, though it does not lead me to reject the idea of open carry. The circumstances matter, though. Open carry can transition into intimidation pretty quickly.

    Wrong. Now try some of that logical contortionism with the First Amendment. Or with the “threatening look” of the ANTIFA garb as they gather for the circumstances of their next insurrection riot mostly peaceful protest.

    Constitutional rights matter.

    Right.  If you’re threatened by open carry, stay at home for your own peace of mind.  If you just don’t like it but can manage not to cringe cry and scream, then maybe just keep it to yourself.

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    The vast majority of conservative voters have written NR

    That’s ridiculous Phil. The vast majority of Trump followers perhaps but those aren’t the same thing. The groups overlap but are definitely not equal

    There are how many millions of conservative/Republican voters?

    And how many hundreds or thousands of NR subscribers?

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    The vast majority of conservative voters have written NR

    That’s ridiculous Phil. The vast majority of Trump followers perhaps but those aren’t the same thing. The groups overlap but are definitely not equal

    There are how many millions of conservative/Republican voters?

    And how many hundreds or thousands of NR subscribers?

    Based on Jerry’s 1 of 1 small poll (so far) a few threads over, I’ll sustain Phil’s objection.  Of ALL PLACES, this place should have a pro-NR biased membership.  Doesn’t seem to.

     

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    philo (View Comment):

    I clicked on the link provided but couldn’t make if past his subtitle. Forget “conservative”, he is not a serious thinker. Period.

    Just curious. What was that subtitle?

    Not to be overly and unnecessarily combative but is there something preventing you from clicking the link provided in the first sentence of the OP? This seems to be a very easy answer to obtain…in fact, much easier than typing “Just curious. What was that subtitle?” Considering I spend a large part of my time here questioning people’s intellectual integrity and pointing out their obvious lack of good-faith, this kind of avoidance of easy data gathering tends to make me suspicious. Not that I have any specific memory of any lack of good faith on your part…I even went back to my touchstone (i.e. the juvenile emotionalism of the comment section under that silly J6 Main Feed post) and found nothing through the first 20 pages of comments to fan that suspicion beyond the spark generated here. Therefore…wait, what was the question again?

     

    Sorry, I took you to mean that you had gotten past the paywall in order to see the subtitle. A misreading, or assumption, on my part. Happens often when I am doing crosswords, too. Also, glad to hear I’m OK by you.

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