David French Is Not a Serious Conservative

 

The one area where we have had strong movement, gun rights, he attacks. Idolatry? Please. French wants to compromise and give up on progress made.

But, that is not the real reason he is not a serious conservative. No, this is just icing on the cake. Proof, if you will, of his nature. He proved he was unserious when he genuinely considered Bill Kristol’s plan to run for President and try to get the election thrown to the House. A serious conservative would never have courted a constitutional crisis because he did not like the GOP nominee.

So, of course, French is against standing our ground on guns. What else can we expect from a man who thought it would have been a good idea for our Republic to be selected President after 90%+ of the voters voted for someone else.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    Supposedly, the shut downs and suspensions of gun stores for paperwork errors has quadrupled under the Biden administration. It sounds like it’s pure harassment. Don’t vote for Democrats. 

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  2. EJHill Podcaster
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    Gary Robbins: Right now Trump acolytes are ascendant.  But Reaganism is Conservatism’s DNA.  Some day Conservatives will abandon the Trump Cult of Personality, and will again embrace principles over personalities.

    Reaganism is its own cult of personality, much in the same way Democrats fetishized FDR and Kennedy. Reaganism died on January 20, 1989. It was never in alignment with the wishes of the establishment GOP and to pretend otherwise is absurd.

     

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  3. Hoyacon Member
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    Deleted.:

     

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  4. Headedwest Coolidge
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    I have often wondered why NR shot itself in the foot with the “Against Trump” cover and inside content. I think of it as an unforced error or an ‘own goal’.

    Instead, they could have put their preferred Republican candidate on the cover with a major piece about why that candidate is just what we need right now.

    Would have made the same point without the temper tantrum that (I believe) they will never fully recover from.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    AMD Texas (View Comment):
    Goldberg that could not see the idiocy of voting for Hillary or McMuffin

    I’ve heard him talk to an Austrian economist and he really knows that stuff. I just don’t see how you can enable Democrats in any way after that. Same thing with George Will. He has an interview with reason magazine from about eight years ago. Great original thinking about libertarianism. Then he votes Democrat.

    Watching the Principles First crowd dance around their Biden votes has been disgusting. You can’t tell me that group isn’t a tool of Omidyar and Google. 3/4 of the people on their stage every year are the names that Gary has in his post.

     

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):
    Reaganism is its own cult of personality, much in the same way Democrats fetishized FDR and Kennedy. Reaganism died on January 20, 1989. It was never in alignment with the wishes of the establishment GOP and to pretend otherwise is absurd.

    Kellyanne Conway talks about this on the latest Newt Gingrich podcast. It’s an outstanding interview. They systematically got rid of all of Reagan’s people. The worst one was Paul Volcker. Why would you do that? Reagan could explain in playing English why populism and Socialism is breaking out now. It started with 41. 

    I think they took it out from the pay wall, but I highly recommend the interview of David Stockman’s on Real Vision. Everybody hates him, but what is he wrong about? People have all of this crap their heads about what the GOP was. I’m not so sure.

     

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  7. Western Chauvinist Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):
    He takes aim at, in his view, “cultists”

    So tiresome. I’m so tired of people throwing around accusations of “cultist” in place of an argument. 

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  8. Hoyacon Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    I have often wondered why NR shot itself in the foot the with “Against Trump” cover and inside content. I think of it as an unforced error or an ‘own goal’.

    Instead, they could have put their preferred Republican candidate on the cover with a major piece about why that candidate is just what we need right now.

    Would have made the same point without the temper tantrum that (I believe) they will never fully recover from.

    It was a matter of time and place.  I agree that it was over the top even given that, but, as I recall, Trump was not even the nominee at that point.  

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    He takes aim at, in his view, “cultists”

    So tiresome. I’m so tired of people throwing around accusations of “cultist” in place of an argument.

    Say something clear and original about public policy. We aren’t voting for student council. 

    This isn’t really my bag, but Kellyanne Conway says that leaders affect polls. I get tired of non-professionals babbling about electioneering and polls and they never say anything about public policy. Figure out how the system is screwed up and then go from there.

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  10. Quintus Sertorius Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins: Right now Trump acolytes are ascendant. But Reaganism is Conservatism’s DNA. Some day Conservatives will abandon the Trump Cult of Personality, and will again embrace principles over personalities.

    Reaganism is its own cult of personality, much in the same way Democrats fetishized FDR and Kennedy. Reaganism died on January 20, 1989. It was never in alignment with the wishes of the establishment GOP and to pretend otherwise is absurd.

     

    This!!!! Reagan was the Trump of his day….both the left and establishment Republicans thought of Reagan in 1980 just as David French et al think of Trump…..I’m not comparing the two regarding policy or political acumen  but they were each perceived the same way…..if the 1976-1980 Reagan was here today David French and The Dispatch would be Never Reaganers…..

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  11. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    He takes aim at, in his view, “cultists”

    So tiresome. I’m so tired of people throwing around accusations of “cultist” in place of an argument.

    I agree. I think French is wrong in his conclusions and he is nut-picking. But he’s hardly alone–which is a big part of the problem! Just look at this thread. There are accusations of people being warped by anti-Trump and pro-Trump delusions. To say nothing of how most of us, myself included, so often talk about the Left. We accuse others of being unable to see the Truth, but seldom try to engage the policies. Maybe we should all try a little more humility. 

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    MDHahn (View Comment):
    We accuse others of being unable to see the Truth, but seldom try to engage the policies.

    I don’t agree with this. I’ve seen one anti-Trump guy be somewhat good at this and I think most of the pro Trump camp is very good with saying original things about public policy. 

    The Minnesota anti Trump types basically just spew tedious boiler plate. Look at the principals first orbit. Those guys are ridiculous. 

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  13. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    French isn’t in Kristol league – Kristol is a political grifter 

    and he isn’t Jen Rubin (she is insane)

    It’s French’s sanctimony that gets me – he acts like he is a sole principals Christian and Conservative left in the USA – really tiresome 

     

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  14. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    I’m biased of course, but I don’t get it. Warning: link goes to a site whose senior writer is one of the most effective and intelligent gun-rights advocates working in the media today. Are good conservatives supposed to reel away from NR on general principle, and only venture into the den when assured the headlines on the front page will not cause anger or distress?

    Wait! When did Kurt Schlichter start writing for NR?

    Sorry James, but Cooke may be both intelligent and a gun-rights advocate, but writing in NR cannot be considered effective. The vast majority of conservative voters have written NR off due to its perfidy in the past six years. Any gem of an article that it manages to publish is lost in a vast desert, devoid of readers’ eyes.

    Sad, considered NR’s illustrious past, but true.

    I don’t think being behind a paywall is an effective counter, in any respect. 

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  15. Jim Kearney Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    To be honest, I might not have been immune to a D politician who had the character of some Ds of my youth when I was a Good Liberal: belief in American exceptionalism, anti-Communist, pro-defense, pro-middle-class values, sympathetic to the downtrodden, and all that. There were a few of those, once. It’s still a potent combination. Voters can wave away the things on the margins – more social spending, lax immigration, regulations that don’t affect them directly – because they feel good about voting for someone who seems cool and smart and compassionate.

    Excellent analysis.  Most of us do vote with our personal feelings. 

    In typical NR fashion you leave out pro-choice, which along with looking favorably upon working women and same sex partnerships are other attractive, distinguishing values strongly identified with the competing brand — and popular majorities.

    Sympathy for the American working class is the big one the liberals had and let get away.

    R’s too often lose on the seeming compassion of being “sympathetic to the downtrodden.” It becomes a bidding war they can’t win. Ask the downtrodden whether they prefer bootstraps values and tough love or cold hard cash. Fortunately the D’s always overpay, and this go-round the public can plainly see the relationship of massive handouts to inflation unchained.

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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Bryan, thanks for the post.

    It might be a good idea to address the substance of French’s article. Cooke may do so, but his article is behind a paywall.

    French’s article doesn’t take any substantive position on gun issues. It doesn’t advocate any particular policy, beyond generally stating that he is “more conservative” on the issue than some fellow with whom he had a podcast discussion.

    French’s objection is to the tone and imagery of some pro-gun advocates. He seems quite hysterical to me, claiming that this tone is “potentially destabilizing to American democracy.”

    I do think that there is an indication that his anti-Trump views are the source of this, at least in part. The first specific example that French gives is a Senate candidate running “on a platform that’s ‘pro-God, pro-Gun, and pro-Trump.’” He also objects to t-shirts and signs declaring a person “pro-life, pro-God, and pro-gun.” He objects to candidates posing with guns.

    He objects to a picture of a young boy holding an assault rifle, with the Biblical quote: “Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”

    These all seem like perfectly acceptable messages, to me. The picture of the kid suggests that we should train our sons to be responsible gun owners, not afraid of guns (like many on the Left), and understanding the importance of our right to bear arms and the responsibility that they will have to protect their families when they grow up. I don’t see the problem.

    Gun issues seem to be pretty popular for Republican candidates. I’m not going to detail specific polling, but I did look for a few, and there was evidence that both on policy and voter preference, there is a significant gap between the parties on this one.

    I also find the political rhetoric that French finds objectionable to be an effective signal of a candidate’s overall position. Pro-life, pro-God, pro-Gun is a pretty good, brief description of social conservative.

    I don’t have the fear reaction that French suggests that images of guns create. When I see an ordinary-looking American posing with an AR-15, I react as I would to a Minuteman logo or statue. A free man prepared to take up arms in defense of his family and country, if necessary.

    French also comes across as a downer. It seems as if he can’t stand the idea that anyone might have fun with guns.

    French claims that there has been a “transition from defense to defiance.” The tone doesn’t bother me, nor is it new. Maybe he didn’t like Charleton Heston’s “from my cold, dead hand” line. I did.

    If French does still support substantive gun rights, the timing of this article is terrible, in my view, encouraging the opposition.

    All true.

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I want to comment a bit more about the terrible timing of French’s article.

    We’re in a moment after a terrible school shooting, and several others. This typically leads to an emotional reaction in many people, with suggestions of policy changes, most or all of which are bad ideas when viewed soberly, I think. The usual course of events is that people calm down, and nothing is done, because there’s nothing effective to be done (from a cost-benefit standpoint).

    But right now, the anti-gun folks are using this tragedy to promote their policy position. Defiance actually seems like an appropriate reaction, to me. Moreover, as far as I can tell, French’s complaints about the tone of some pro-gun advocates are not very recent — not specific excesses since the tragedy in Uvalde. He just chooses this moment to distance himself from many people on his side politically on the issue (assuming, of course, that he hasn’t changed his generally pro-gun position, which he does not say that he has).

    So what is the point of French’s article? It seems to give support to the other side of the debate. Why would he do that, at this particular time?

    I don’t know. Maybe he’s virtue signaling. Maybe he just needs to get out an article this week. Maybe he just hates pro-Trump Republicans so much that he has to do something like this from time to time, and current events prompted him to do so now. Maybe it’s something else. I don’t know. It’s just strange, to me.

    It seems, rhetorically speaking, like French has an instinct to shoot himself in the foot, and the rest of us in the back.

    French seems to think the left will want to reach some sort of compromise on this issue. They won’t. They want to disarm us, and would if they could. 

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Challenge: Name a single “Never Trump Conservative” who has maintained his intellectual integrity.

    BY which I mean, someone who maintains the same conservative philosophy they espoused prior to the Trump administration, and/or has not supported or endorsed Democrat candidates or gone to work for Democrat media outlets with views antithetical to that conservative philosophy.

    Well, I was NT before the election, but his victory made that a moot and silly position; I subsequently shifted to not focusing on DJT The Man and considered the overall effect of his tenancy in the office, i.e., are the policies sufficiently conservative and do they produce better outcomes for the country. The idea that I should vote D or trumpet D candidates to restore balance and thus ensure mythical future conservative victories seemed ridiculous.

    This perfectly describes my position and to this day I cannot understand commentators like Goldberg that could not see the idiocy of voting for Hillary or McMuffin over a guy that seemed to put them off their feed because they just didn’t like him.

    Remember, the vote for McMullin was engaging in a plan to throw the vote to the House and have them select someone that 90%+ of the people did not vote for. In the name of “Democracy” 

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  18. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins: Right now Trump acolytes are ascendant. But Reaganism is Conservatism’s DNA. Some day Conservatives will abandon the Trump Cult of Personality, and will again embrace principles over personalities.

    Reaganism is its own cult of personality, much in the same way Democrats fetishized FDR and Kennedy. Reaganism died on January 20, 1989. It was never in alignment with the wishes of the establishment GOP and to pretend otherwise is absurd.

     

    That is how I remember it. 

    The GOPe had it in for Reagan early on. 

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    I have often wondered why NR shot itself in the foot with the “Against Trump” cover and inside content. I think of it as an unforced error or an ‘own goal’.

    Instead, they could have put their preferred Republican candidate on the cover with a major piece about why that candidate is just what we need right now.

    Would have made the same point without the temper tantrum that (I believe) they will never fully recover from.

    It was utter hypocrisy. Places like NR called for Trump to support the nominee if he lost. When he won, they refused to support him. Different rules for different people I guess. 

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  20. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    He takes aim at, in his view, “cultists”

    So tiresome. I’m so tired of people throwing around accusations of “cultist” in place of an argument.

    That is Never Trump in a nutshell

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  21. GFHandle Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    I clicked on the link provided but couldn’t make if past his subtitle. Forget “conservative”, he is not a serious thinker. Period.

    Just curious. What was that subtitle?

    BTW, I think titles are generally not writen by the actual authors, or at least headlines aren’t. Over the years I have heard many complaints by authors about how their work was titled. Still, it probably isn’t far off from Mr. French’s intention.

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  22. GFHandle Member
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    The vast majority of conservative voters have written NR

    That’s ridiculous Phil. The vast majority of Trump followers perhaps but those aren’t the same thing. The groups overlap but are definitely not equal

    Believe what you will.

    I know he has fans. And granted I live in the northwest, most every Trump supporter I know is closer to James Lileks’ view than those who think he is pure gold for the values we claim to share. That does NOT mean I respect the NT movement. But being against Trump before he got the nomination is no mark against NT, in my view. And I believe the Never Trump issue came out before he won the nomination, so those who lump NR with the NT crowd are stretching. Lots of us voted for Trump reluctantly, to stop Hilary.  His and his proxies’  shenanigans post-election lost me.  I voted for him twice. I doubt I could after Nov. ’20. So there’s that.

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  23. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):
    Reaganism is its own cult of personality, much in the same way Democrats fetishized FDR and Kennedy.

    Very true.

    Bill Kristol calls himself a “Reagan Conservative.”

    He tried to help a corrupt Democrat Clinton crony become governor of Virginia.

    His current gig is running a left-funded media outfit that opposes Republicans and supports Democrats.

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  24. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    French seems to think the left will want to reach some sort of compromise on this issue. They won’t. They want to disarm us, and would if they could. 

    A lot of Bush-Republicans are very into this “reach across the aisle and compromise” thing. I don’t think it’s because they’re naive, I think it’s because they agree with Democrats on most things.

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  25. Western Chauvinist Member
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    GFHandle (View Comment):
    But being against Trump before he got the nomination is no mark against NT, in my view.

    I was ABT (anyone but Trump) in the primaries, but it’s the “Never” part that is pure foolishness. “Never say never.” Trump’s personality issues don’t begin to weigh against the utter evil and destructiveness of the Left. I’m sorry, but if people can’t bring themselves to support Trump against the Left in the eventuality that he’s the nominee, they’re complicit in the destruction of the country and our (my) kids’ future.

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  26. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    I have often wondered why NR shot itself in the foot with the “Against Trump” cover and inside content. I think of it as an unforced error or an ‘own goal’.

    Instead, they could have put their preferred Republican candidate on the cover with a major piece about why that candidate is just what we need right now.

    Would have made the same point without the temper tantrum that (I believe) they will never fully recover from.

    It was utter hypocrisy. Places like NR called for Trump to support the nominee if he lost. When he won, they refused to support him. Different rules for different people I guess.

    That’s not a correct timeline of the Against Trump issue. It was published in January 2016 as an attempt to get someone, anyone, else nominated. After the primaries were over, the writers generally split between NT and the binary choice argument in favor of Trump. 

    I get that people hate NR for that issue, but at least get that right.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Challenge: Name a single “Never Trump Conservative” who has maintained his intellectual integrity.

    BY which I mean, someone who maintains the same conservative philosophy they espoused prior to the Trump administration, and/or has not supported or endorsed Democrat candidates or gone to work for Democrat media outlets with views antithetical to that conservative philosophy.

    How about Jonah Goldberg, David French, Mona Charen. Steve Hayes, Charlie Sykes, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Rob Long, John Podhoretz, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Noah Rothman, Matthew Continetti, Christine Rosen, or Yuval Levin? Or given Comment #31, James Lileks?

    There is a whole other world that the Trumpsters and Claremonsters don’t acknowledge.

    Right now Trump acolytes are ascendant. But Reaganism is Conservatism’s DNA. Some day Conservatives will abandon the Trump Cult of Personality, and will again embrace principles over personalities.

     

    David French is advocating giving ground of the right to keep and bear arms, and you are saying he has been consistent in his conservatism? If you are going to make that claim, you cpulx at least adress my point in the OP. Instead, you have not only not addressed the point, but have reverted to calling Trump supporters cultits. Again.

    Bryan there is a massive difference between religious cultists, and political “Cults of Personality.”  I did not call you a “cultist.”  I am saying that Trump promotes a “Cult of Personality” where he insists that Republicans adopt his Big Lie.

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  28. GFHandle Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I don’t see the big problem of posing with guns. I’ve mostly never seen a good explanation of why it’s a big problem

    I remember being angry when some Panthers showed up with guns at voting stations. They didn’t shoot anyone, but it seemed like a threat.  I guess it all depends whom you identify with.

    The left is lost, but the middle is persuadable. So rhetoric matters. A kid with a gun is not a win friends and influence people image, I think. A kid being shown how to use a gun by a cop or a father would be something else.

    To get out the message that responsible gun ownership is a civil right like any other is hard. One thing would be to stress how many inner city people legally acquired guns after the mostly peaceful demonstrations. Since the dems claim to care about that population, their denial of the right to self-defense would count. But at the moment, we are worried about attackers, not hobbyists, hunters, or reasonably prudent citizens.

    In any case, the focus on guns is a way to avoid the tough problem:  the  presence of the deranged in the general population. 

     

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  29. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    It is a very good article and worth your time. 

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  30. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Charles C.W. Cooke responds.

    (Warning: link is to NRO).

    Out of free articles. And I’m not reading The Dispatch, so, oh well.

    He points out all the times David came out for gun rights. 

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