Donald, Don’t Do it

 

This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again. He’s decided that certain key people should state that they will step down if Trump decides to run for President in 2024. And he has Ron DeSantis in his sights.

Recently I heard a reporter ask Mike Pompeo, who I believe would be a very fine presidential candidate, if he would step down from a candidacy if Trump decided to run. Pompeo indirectly stated that Trump’s candidacy wouldn’t stop him from running. Chris Christie said something similar on Fox. But both of these men don’t have a high probability of being elected.

Why is Trump attacking? Ron DeSantis is a real threat.

I know we’re a long way from 2024, but Trump wants to get in his digs early.

Trump’s first attack was indirect. DeSantis was asked about his vaccine status, and he said he’d received the vaccine, but did not reveal whether he’d had the booster, and Trump wanted everyone to know that he did have the booster. Trump’s thinly veiled response: last week he seemed to swipe at DeSantis as ‘gutless’ politicians who dodge the question out of fear of blowback from vaccine skeptics.

How does Trump know that, and why does he care?

It turns out that Trump was booed recently at two speaking events in Alabama and Dallas when he encouraged people to get the vaccine. In contrast, DeSantis has kept current on the outcomes of getting the vaccines and the booster, and is highly critical of Anthony Fauci, the man whom Trump relied on.

In addition, Trump takes credit for getting DeSantis elected. (I don’t know if he’s mentioned how, until recently when DeSantis criticized lockdowns, DeSantis frequently stated his support for Trump.) But Trump demands loyalty, and he expects DeSantis’ loyalty to extend to declining a nomination for the Presidency.

Trump is entitled to wish for whatever he likes, including a lifetime support for his running a third time for the Presidency. He’s entitled to be disappointed, even angry, at DeSantis for not agreeing to step down if Trump runs again. But he’s wrong on several other counts. First, he’s going to garner criticism should he decide to run if he demands that DeSantis not run. Second, if he criticizes DeSantis because the governor won’t step down, his input could actually increase DeSantis’ chances for the nomination. Third, he could be threatening the chances of the Republican party winning the Presidency, due to the self-serving demands he’s making, which will suggest that the Republicans can be as inept as the Democrats. Finally, he could jeopardize the future of the country if he has a role in the Republicans losing the Presidency.

If Trump could be the adult in the room (as Biden tries to claim he is) and say he’d be “disappointed” if DeSantis would win, I’d be fine with that. And we don’t know what he’ll say over the next couple of years: he could back off or dial it up.

But I’m not holding my breath. Stay tuned.

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  1. Suspira Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    You are unhappy you voted for Trump. Therefore, since there is a binary outcome, you must be happy that Biden won. Everything that is going wrong in this nation right now, right now, you are for, because at least Trump is not still President. 

    That is the logic of your statements. 

    Good grief. There is no logic at all in your conclusion. I am NOT happy Biden won. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I voted for Trump, even though I thought he was not trustworthy. I have held my nose in the voting booth before and I’m sure I’ll do it again.

    Let’s just look at the politics. Biden and Harris are unpopular. People do not want to vote for someone unlikeable. (That’s why Hillary lost in 2016.) Why not nominate someone slightly less repellent? He/she would have the edge right there. Why insist that the only man for the job is the one who lost last time? The man a majority of Americans dislikes. THAT makes no sense.

    I’ll vote for pretty much any other GOP candidate. Let’s. Move. On.

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    You are unhappy you voted for Trump. Therefore, since there is a binary outcome, you must be happy that Biden won. Everything that is going wrong in this nation right now, right now, you are for, because at least Trump is not still President.

    That is the logic of your statements.

    Good grief. There is no logic at all in your conclusion. I am NOT happy Biden won. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I voted for Trump, even though I thought he was not trustworthy. I have held my nose in the voting booth before and I’m sure I’ll do it again.

    Let’s just look at the politics. Biden and Harris are unpopular. People do not want to vote for someone unlikeable. (That’s why Hillary lost in 2016.) Why not nominate someone slightly less repellent? He/she would have the edge right there. Why insist that the only man for the job is the one who lost last time? The man a majority of Americans dislikes. THAT makes no sense.

    I’ll vote for pretty much any other GOP candidate. Let’s. Move. On.

    1. You said you regretted your vote for Trump. Regret implies you would have not done it given a do over. Binary Outcome. Ergo, I did not want Trump to win, I wanted Biden to win. 
    2. I don’t find Trump repellent. 
    3. I am not advocating Nominating Trump. I have said I don’t want that in this thread.
    4. I am saying, that no matter who the candidate who wins the Nomination, I will vote for that person. 
    5. I will not move on from this point. I have voted mostly for candidates for GOP I was not excited about or actually disliked. 

     

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  3. Instugator Thatcher
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    Suspira (View Comment):
    Why not nominate someone slightly less repellent?

    How would you measure this?

    Do you not remember how the Democrat-Media Complex treated Romney? There is no one less repellent and more innocuous than Romney – at least on the surface. BUT the DMC said:

    He put a dog on the roof of his car.

    He gave a woman cancer.

    Understand a simple proposition – Anyone (ANYONE) the GOP nominates will be run through the same ringer.

    The only reason President Trump is considered “repellant” is because he ran as a Republican and the DMC rallied against him.

    Please don’t tell me you forget how the DMC foisted President Trump on the GOP – the only problem after they assisted in getting him nominated is that he won (Good thing for us he did, because he governed as the most Conservative President of my lifetime and I am including Reagan in that. Trump was a better conservative President than Ronald Reagan.)

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    @Instugator For Dictator Of Everything

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  5. Flicker Coolidge
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    These two things are at odds with each other.

    Suspira (View Comment):
    1. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys…

    2. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Couple of conclusions from this dichotomy.

    The first is that there is a preference for GOPe over motivated voters. This implies that people really do not deserve to run their own party (or even their own government).

    The second that comes to mind is complete amnesia regarding how the organs of Government mobilize against a certain half of the people – as if the clarity that President Trump brings to the fight between himself and the unelected and ‘superior thinking’ elements of government is not worthwhile to know.

    Glad to know that you hold President Trump to a higher standard than these.

    Flicker (View Comment):
    JFK was a philanderer

    And drug addict.

    LBJ was a profound bigot

    And exhibitionist, to put it mildly.

    Nixon began the sell-out to the Chinese (setting aside Watergate)

    Obama’s DOJ renders Watergate moot – rehabilitating Nixon in my mind.

    Bush Sr. was a CIA globalist.

    And a promise breaker “read my lips- No new Taxes” – Trump didn’t do that.

    Clinton was a philanderer and a slanderer.

    And was subsequently disbarred for things he did while President.

    Bush Jr. was a war-mongering globalist. 0bama was a racist socialist.

    Plus Obama made Hoover’s weaponization of the FBI look decidedly little league – Watergate becomes a local crime story in comparison.

    Trump? He’s one of the pack; but he’s pro-America, which these others weren’t to any functional degree, and there are accounts of his impromptu generosity, and his willingness to hire anyone without regard for race, sex, or sexuality (unlike gentle Romney), and his willingness to step out of a limousine and stop someone from beating up someone else.

    But no, don’t vote for him because of mean tweets (or calling the partisan press out.) He is too icky.

    I didn’t include that (according to a single book that was published, and not retracted) Bush Sr. cheated on his wife (openly to her and to associates) for 12 years, and for some of this time she was suicidal as a result.  He finally ended it when he got in the White House.  But decent old Papa Bush was a low-life as well — or as we may describe him: human.

    Yes, great company Trump shows up against.

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  6. Instugator Thatcher
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    @ Instugator For Dictator Of Everything

    Thanks brother.

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  7. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Whoever gets nominated is going to benefit from Trump’s illumination of the system.

    In my opinion Ron DeSantis blows the whole field away.

    Well he certainly isn’t Jeb!

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  8. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.  

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    If you don’t have an original opinion about public policy, please just vote GOP and don’t do anything else.

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  10. Flicker Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    I like Ted Cruz because he is hated by all the right people for the right reasons. 

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  12. Manny Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    If you normally support the GOP candidate, not voting is an effective vote for the Democrats.

    This is exactly the attitude that kills me. Trump is no worse than other men who have had the job or ran for it. John McCain was a horrible human being to the “little people” around him, for instance.

    See, I want to win more than anything else. I’d even vote for Liz Cheney if that was the option in the General. I have to be honest, that people on “our side” like you I find not hard to hold in contempt. We are fighting for the future of the nation, and your answer to not getting the candidate you like is to take your ball and go home because Trump seems mean.

     

    Exactly.  Anyone that did not vote for Trump in 2016 effectively would have given Hilary three Supreme Court picks.  Not voting for Trump if you have a conservative bone in your body was demonstrably wrong.

     

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  13. BDB Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    I like Ted Cruz because he is hated by all the right people for the right reasons.

    I’m not big on Ted Cruz (now), but this is sound logic.  none of us will ever have all of the information we would want, or could objectively say enables an “informed” decision.  Go with what you got and don’t be talked out of it by the “cite your sources” crowd when sources aren’t the point.

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  14. Django Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

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    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    Well, he has to have a sharp crease in his trou … sorry, I was channeling David Brooks there for a moment. 

    I remember someone describing R. Reagan as a person who wanted to take care of the threats from foreign powers, remove stupid regulations, and make the federal government the least intrusive in the daily lives of Americans as possible, consistent with holding the Union together. He had faith in the ability of the citizens to run their own lives. Forty years ago I had that faith as well. Today, I am not so sure. Today, I’d still vote for a person who followed Reagan’s principles. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020. BTW, he was the first major party candidate to get my vote since 2000, and if I had that to do over, Shrub wouldn’t have gotten my vote in 2000. I despised that fool by 2002. 

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  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    Well, he has to have a sharp crease in his trou … sorry, I was channeling David Brooks there for a moment.

    I remember someone describing R. Reagan as a person who wanted to take care of the threats from foreign powers, remove stupid regulations, and make the federal government the least intrusive in the daily lives of Americans as possible, consistent with holding the Union together. He had faith in the ability of the citizens to run their own lives. Forty years ago I had that faith as well. Today, I am not so sure. Today, I’d still vote for a person who followed Reagan’s principles. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020. BTW, he was the first major party candidate to get my vote since 2000, and if I had that to do over, Shrub wouldn’t have gotten my vote in 2000. I despised that fool by 2002.

     Yet Reagan was disliked by a lot of the GOP establishment.

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  16. Django Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    Well, he has to have a sharp crease in his trou … sorry, I was channeling David Brooks there for a moment.

    I remember someone describing R. Reagan as a person who wanted to take care of the threats from foreign powers, remove stupid regulations, and make the federal government the least intrusive in the daily lives of Americans as possible, consistent with holding the Union together. He had faith in the ability of the citizens to run their own lives. Forty years ago I had that faith as well. Today, I am not so sure. Today, I’d still vote for a person who followed Reagan’s principles. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020. BTW, he was the first major party candidate to get my vote since 2000, and if I had that to do over, Shrub wouldn’t have gotten my vote in 2000. I despised that fool by 2002.

    Yet Reagan was disliked by a lot of the GOP establishment.

    True. Part of the reason I refused to vote for G. H. W. Bush in 1992 was that he started undoing everything Reagan had accomplished on day one of his first term. 

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    The Fed and the government have massively intruded into our lives. You aren’t going to undo this in any simplistic and idealistic way. That’s why I can’t stand any type of GOP or GOPe boilerplate. We are decades past that point. 

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    Well, he has to have a sharp crease in his trou … sorry, I was channeling David Brooks there for a moment.

    I remember someone describing R. Reagan as a person who wanted to take care of the threats from foreign powers, remove stupid regulations, and make the federal government the least intrusive in the daily lives of Americans as possible, consistent with holding the Union together. He had faith in the ability of the citizens to run their own lives. Forty years ago I had that faith as well. Today, I am not so sure. Today, I’d still vote for a person who followed Reagan’s principles. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020. BTW, he was the first major party candidate to get my vote since 2000, and if I had that to do over, Shrub wouldn’t have gotten my vote in 2000. I despised that fool by 2002.

    Yet Reagan was disliked by a lot of the GOP establishment.

    True. Part of the reason I refused to vote for G. H. W. Bush in 1992 was that he started undoing everything Reagan had accomplished on day one of his first term.

    It was his people that got rid of Paul Volcker. Greenspan is public enemy number one. Far too many people don’t get any of this. 

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  19. Django Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The Fed and the government have massively intruded into our lives. You aren’t going to undo this in any simplistic and idealistic way. That’s why I can’t stand any type of GOP or GOPe boilerplate. We are decades past that point.

    That may be why The Turtle refuses to announce GOPe goals for the mid-term campaigns. All he has is GOPe boilerplate and the voters ain’t buying it anymore. Plus, you can’t be accused of breaking promises you didn’t make. 

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  20. Percival Thatcher
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    Well, he has to have a sharp crease in his trou … sorry, I was channeling David Brooks there for a moment.

    I remember someone describing R. Reagan as a person who wanted to take care of the threats from foreign powers, remove stupid regulations, and make the federal government the least intrusive in the daily lives of Americans as possible, consistent with holding the Union together. He had faith in the ability of the citizens to run their own lives. Forty years ago I had that faith as well. Today, I am not so sure. Today, I’d still vote for a person who followed Reagan’s principles. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020. BTW, he was the first major party candidate to get my vote since 2000, and if I had that to do over, Shrub wouldn’t have gotten my vote in 2000. I despised that fool by 2002.

    Yet Reagan was disliked by a lot of the GOP establishment.

    That’s not fair. Reagan was only disliked by about 96% of the Republican establishment.

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  21. Django Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    Well, he has to have a sharp crease in his trou … sorry, I was channeling David Brooks there for a moment.

    I remember someone describing R. Reagan as a person who wanted to take care of the threats from foreign powers, remove stupid regulations, and make the federal government the least intrusive in the daily lives of Americans as possible, consistent with holding the Union together. He had faith in the ability of the citizens to run their own lives. Forty years ago I had that faith as well. Today, I am not so sure. Today, I’d still vote for a person who followed Reagan’s principles. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020. BTW, he was the first major party candidate to get my vote since 2000, and if I had that to do over, Shrub wouldn’t have gotten my vote in 2000. I despised that fool by 2002.

    Yet Reagan was disliked by a lot of the GOP establishment.

    That’s not fair. Reagan was only disliked by about 96% of the Republican establishment.

    In a sense we are not fair to the GOPe either. After all, it’s only 96% of them that give the other 4% a bad name. 

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  22. BDB Inactive
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    You are unhappy you voted for Trump. Therefore, since there is a binary outcome, you must be happy that Biden won. Everything that is going wrong in this nation right now, right now, you are for, because at least Trump is not still President.

    That is the logic of your statements.

    Good grief. There is no logic at all in your conclusion. I am NOT happy Biden won. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I voted for Trump, even though I thought he was not trustworthy. I have held my nose in the voting booth before and I’m sure I’ll do it again.

    Let’s just look at the politics. Biden and Harris are unpopular. People do not want to vote for someone unlikeable. (That’s why Hillary lost in 2016.) Why not nominate someone slightly less repellent? He/she would have the edge right there. Why insist that the only man for the job is the one who lost last time? The man a majority of Americans dislikes. THAT makes no sense.

    I’ll vote for pretty much any other GOP candidate. Let’s. Move. On.

    Dot. Org.

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    I like Ted Cruz because he is hated by all the right people for the right reasons.

    That is illogical, Captain.  But it is nonetheless true.

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  24. Flicker Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

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    Suspira (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: This is precisely the kind of petty behavior that confirms my belief that Trump should not be elected again.

    I fervently hope Trump won’t run, but it’s a faint hope. The Republican Party would be nuts to nominate him again. Move on, guys. Alas, I think the most motivated voters are, indeed, sufficiently nutty to don the MAGA hats and damn the torpedoes.

    Therefore, I have only a glimmer of hope for 2024. Let me just say it now: I will not vote for Trump. Not in the primary. Not in the general election. I pray it doesn’t come down to two unacceptable candidates and people on both sides yelling about a binary choice. I will take the third way and not vote.

    Please start talking about the potential candidates you like and what makes them presidential in your opinion.

    Good question.

    Well, he has to have a sharp crease in his trou … sorry, I was channeling David Brooks there for a moment.

    I remember someone describing R. Reagan as a person who wanted to take care of the threats from foreign powers, remove stupid regulations, and make the federal government the least intrusive in the daily lives of Americans as possible, consistent with holding the Union together. He had faith in the ability of the citizens to run their own lives. Forty years ago I had that faith as well. Today, I am not so sure. Today, I’d still vote for a person who followed Reagan’s principles. That’s why I voted for Trump in 2020. BTW, he was the first major party candidate to get my vote since 2000, and if I had that to do over, Shrub wouldn’t have gotten my vote in 2000. I despised that fool by 2002.

    Yes, generally you can tell a man by his enemies.  And Reagan came seconds from dying by assassination.  Rumor has it that Bush family was close friends with the Hinckley family.

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  25. Instugator Thatcher
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    @Instugator

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Whoever gets nominated is going to benefit from Trump’s illumination of the system.

    In my opinion Ron DeSantis blows the whole field away.

    Well he certainly isn’t Jeb!

    I could actually clap for that.

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  26. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
    DaveSchmidt
    @DaveSchmidt

    BDB (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    You are unhappy you voted for Trump. Therefore, since there is a binary outcome, you must be happy that Biden won. Everything that is going wrong in this nation right now, right now, you are for, because at least Trump is not still President.

    That is the logic of your statements.

    Good grief. There is no logic at all in your conclusion. I am NOT happy Biden won. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I voted for Trump, even though I thought he was not trustworthy. I have held my nose in the voting booth before and I’m sure I’ll do it again.

    Let’s just look at the politics. Biden and Harris are unpopular. People do not want to vote for someone unlikeable. (That’s why Hillary lost in 2016.) Why not nominate someone slightly less repellent? He/she would have the edge right there. Why insist that the only man for the job is the one who lost last time? The man a majority of Americans dislikes. THAT makes no sense.

    I’ll vote for pretty much any other GOP candidate. Let’s. Move. On.

    Dot. Org.

    Ouch.

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  27. Clifford A. Brown Member
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I would vote for him if he was the Republican candidate. (I voted for him twice before.) If he did nothing else in his entire life, he kept Hillary Clinton out of the White House.

    That being said, I fervently hope that he steps out of politics. Frankly, at the end, I was totally worn out by Trump’s antics; the stupid tweets and, most of all, the turmoil in his own administration. Nothing has happened since then that would indicate he has learned anything.

    If it comes to a choice between DeSantis and Trump, I’ll back DeSantis without a second thought.

    Better: it would be best if Trump focuses on building a MAGA majority in the House and Senate this year. His best revenge is to unseat the good old boy gang in both houses of Congress, really reshaping the elected institutional landscape to better reflect the actual, true, American voter landscape.

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  28. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I would vote for him if he was the Republican candidate. (I voted for him twice before.) If he did nothing else in his entire life, he kept Hillary Clinton out of the White House.

    That being said, I fervently hope that he steps out of politics. Frankly, at the end, I was totally worn out by Trump’s antics; the stupid tweets and, most of all, the turmoil in his own administration. Nothing has happened since then that would indicate he has learned anything.

    If it comes to a choice between DeSantis and Trump, I’ll back DeSantis without a second thought.

    Better: it would be best if Trump focuses on building a MAGA majority in the House and Senate this year. His best revenge is to unseat the good old boy gang in both houses of Congress, really reshaping the elected institutional landscape to better reflect the actual, true, American voter landscape.

    I’ve seen some criticism of Trump’s talk about 2020, claiming he’s whining and making it all about him. He has to flip that narrative somehow, maybe by saying that while the 2020 election is over, he wants to make certain the fraud can’t hurt other GOP candidates in the mid-terms and 2024. The only way to stop it is to make sure everyone knows it happened in 2020 whether or not he runs again.  

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  29. OldPhil Coolidge
    OldPhil
    @OldPhil

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Rumor has it that Bush family was close friends with the Hinckley family.

    This, after 9 pages devoted largely to “don’t believe anonymous sources!”

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Rumor has it that Bush family was close friends with the Hinckley family.

    This, after 9 pages devoted largely to “don’t believe anonymous sources!”

    They’re not anonymous sources.  I suppose I could find the articles but it would take a very long time.

    And I don’t think I ever said don’t believe anonymous sources.  I’ve said don’t believe certain sources.  And don’t believe one-word, out of context quotes with the context replaced by the writer’s explanation.

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