A Republican Paradox

 

Mike Rounds, a US Senator from one of the big rectangular states in what the coastal elites call “flyover country,” went on former Bill Clinton advisor George Stephanoupoulos’s Sunday show and declared unequivocally, “The (2020) election was fair, as fair as we have seen.” Rounds claimed he had “looked at” claims of widespread irregularities in the 2020 election and didn’t find them credible. (By “looked into” I just assume he means he watched CNN dismiss all the many irregularities in the 2020 election as conspiracy theories.)  Rounds was later backed up by fellow Senate Republicans, including Senator “Pierre Delecto” of Utah. “Mike Rounds speaks truth knowing that our Republic depends upon it.”

All right, then, let’s take the Bush Republicans at their word that the 2020 elections were completely fine. That it didn’t matter that states run by Democrats changed election laws unilaterally and in many cases without going through the legislature. That these blue-state governors sent out millions of ballots (like junk mail) to every name on voter registration lists that had not been updated for 30 years or more; that Democratic Party activists were allowed to harvest these ballots and drop them by the thousands into unsecured drop boxes without any chain-of-custody documentation or even the most rudimentary verification. If they really think that’s the right way to run an election, then why do these same Republicans not support the Democrat “voting rights” bill that would codify these practices as the national election standard?

Maybe there are some other things in the bill they object to. For example, while it doesn’t explicitly outlaw Voter ID, it does mandate that a note from a friend must qualify as a valid voter ID.  (I’m not making that up. It’s in Section 1801 of the Bill.) Maybe there’s some other stuff in there they don’t like, but it’s kind of disingenuous on the one hand for Senate Republicans to declare that the 2020 Election was  “as fair as any we have seen,” and on the other oppose making that election the model for future elections.

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  1. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    The largest number of legitimate votes should be our goal and standard.  But also, prosecuting anyone involved in creating illegitimate votes.

    Whether or not an illegitimate vote would have changed the outcome is not the issue – besides, it’s impossible to tell that. It is perjury, and should be treated as such.

    If you go in and lie under oath on the stand to protect someone and he’s convicted anyway, should you no longer be held accountable for the perjury? Then what’s to stop lying to be the best strategy – there’s no down side.

    The Democrats want to increase every way possible to make it easier to cheat, because it’s the only chance they have to get elected.

    Sadly, many Republicans seem to think easy cheating would help them too.

    Both parties should have their noses rubbed in this every day.

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  2. Judge Mental Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    The largest number of legitimate votes should be our goal and standard. 

     

    Disagree.  With the largest number part, I mean.  Perhaps if it’s qualified to the largest number of engaged/informed voters.  But I’m not in favor of trying to get people who lack any knowledge of issues/candidates to vote.  They are too easily led through lies and propaganda.

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  3. Bob Thompson Member
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    The largest number of legitimate votes should be our goal and standard.

     

    Disagree. With the largest number part, I mean. Perhaps if it’s qualified to the largest number of engaged/informed voters. But I’m not in favor of trying to get people who lack any knowledge of issues/candidates to vote. They are too easily led through lies and propaganda.

    I think there’s much to be said in favor of the thought you expressed. I think it was better in America when the news media and the public education system were not full-fledged propaganda machines and now that has been augmented by social media. We now have elected to the Office of the President two officials who epitomize this model.

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  4. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    (By “looked into” I just assume he means he watched CNN former Attorney General William Barr dismiss all the many irregularities in the 2020 election as conspiracy theories.) 

    FIFY

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    (By “looked into” I just assume he means he watched CNN former Attorney General William Barr dismiss all the many irregularities in the 2020 election as conspiracy theories.)

    FIFY

    Is that the one where he had about five minutes to study them in depth? 

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    The largest number of legitimate votes should be our goal and standard.

     

    Disagree. With the largest number part, I mean. Perhaps if it’s qualified to the largest number of engaged/informed voters. But I’m not in favor of trying to get people who lack any knowledge of issues/candidates to vote. They are too easily led through lies and propaganda.

    Also, ballot harvesting tends to be a lot of people that have no interest or motivation. I think that is absurd. 

    Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™

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  7. Bob Thompson Member
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  8. Bob Thompson Member
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    I have never seen a President talk to the people like Biden did this week in Atlanta. It appears that he actually thinks he has risen to such a lofty level that he can really talk down to us. 

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  9. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    I have never seen a President talk to the people like Biden did this week in Atlanta. It appears that he actually thinks he has risen to such a lofty level that he can really talk down to us. 

    That was literally every Obama speech. 

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  10. Hang On Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo: If they really think that’s the right way to run an election, then why do these same Republicans not support the Democrat “Voting Rights” bill that would codify these practices as the national election standard? 

    They probably do but haven’t figured out a way to win re-election as Democrats in states like South Dakota.

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  11. Hang On Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    (By “looked into” I just assume he means he watched CNN former Attorney General William Barr dismiss all the many irregularities in the 2020 election as conspiracy theories.)

    FIFY

    Is that the one where he had about five minutes to study them in depth?

    And who was actually doing the investigation? The FBI? sarcasm / They have an enormous amount of credibility. /sarcasm for the benefit of Robbins.

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  12. Bob Thompson Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    I have never seen a President talk to the people like Biden did this week in Atlanta. It appears that he actually thinks he has risen to such a lofty level that he can really talk down to us.

    That was literally every Obama speech.

    I don’t remember listening to him.

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  13. David Foster Member
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    One might argue that the counting of the votes was correct…that the rules as to who was and was not allowed to vote were in accordance with law…that the people who voted were all, or almost all, those who were entitled to do so by these rules….but I don’t see how anyone with intellectual integrity could argue that the election was *fair*, given the way that dominant media sources acted to suppress information inconvenient to their side.

    But “fair” is the term that Mike Rounds used.

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  14. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    The largest number of legitimate votes should be our goal and standard.

     

    Disagree. With the largest number part, I mean. Perhaps if it’s qualified to the largest number of engaged/informed voters. But I’m not in favor of trying to get people who lack any knowledge of issues/candidates to vote. They are too easily led through lies and propaganda.

    Totally agree. I also do NOT think the largest number of votes is better exactly, just that whatever votes there are be scrupulously legitimate. My comment was badly phrased.

    Any odd number of legit votes will do.

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    One might argue that the counting of the votes was correct…that the rules as to who was and was not allowed to vote were in accordance with law…that the people who voted were all, or almost all, those who were entitled to do so by these rules….but I don’t see how anyone with intellectual integrity could argue that the election was *fair*, given the way that dominant media sources acted to suppress information inconvenient to their side.

    But “fair” is the term that Mike Rounds used.

    Didn’t the FCC at one time, before cable and internet, have a rule that all candidates had to have equal time on the broadcast networks? The dissemination of information related to the candidates and other political issues that affect elections was very partisan in the 2020 election, very different from what it used to be.

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  16. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    (By “looked into” I just assume he means he watched CNN former Attorney General William Barr dismiss all the many irregularities in the 2020 election as conspiracy theories.)

    FIFY

    Is that the one where he had about five minutes to study them in depth?

    No, Barr ordered his AG’s in the States to carefully monitor allegations of voter fraud.  Where Barr made a decision quickly was the Mueller Report.

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  17. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    I have never seen a President talk to the people like Biden did this week in Atlanta. It appears that he actually thinks he has risen to such a lofty level that he can really talk down to us.

    Biden’s speech in Atlanta was as bad as his January 6th speech was good.  

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  18. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    (By “looked into” I just assume he means he watched CNN former Attorney General William Barr dismiss all the many irregularities in the 2020 election as conspiracy theories.)

    FIFY

    Is that the one where he had about five minutes to study them in depth?

    And who was actually doing the investigation? The FBI? sarcasm / They have an enormous amount of credibility. /sarcasm for the benefit of Robbins.

    Hey, Hang on.  We are all part of the Ricochet family.  I would prefer you calling me by my first name of Gary, instead of my last name.

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  19. Bob Thompson Member
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    Mike Rounds, a US Senator from one of the big rectangular states in what the coastal elites call “flyover country,” went on former Bill Clinton advisor George Stephanoupoulos’s Sunday show and declared unequivocally, “The (2020) election was fair, as fair as we have seen.” Rounds claimed he had “looked at” claims of widespread irregularities in the 2020 election and didn’t find them credible. (By “looked into” I just assume he means he watched CNN dismiss all the many irregularities in the 2020 election as conspiracy theories.)  Rounds was later backed up by fellow Senate Republicans, including Senator “Pierre Delecto” of Utah. “Mike Rounds speaks truth knowing that our Republic depends upon it.”

    A lot has been revealed regarding weaknesses and deficiencies in election process integrity of various state election systems. Many of those states are acting to improve election integrity. I wonder if Rounds and his colleagues who agree with him are judging election “fairness” too narrowly. News and other information dissemination about election issues in the 2020 election was not balanced and that is part of the fairness issue. Twitter, Google, Facebook, YouTube, and Amazon are among the publicly visible entities that acted in very extremely partisan ways in the campaign period leading up to the election. This is likely the unfairness that had the greatest effect on the election.

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    Hans von Spakofsky is going on Levin this weekend. Heritage election security. His long interviews on Breitbart news / Wilkow are excellent.

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  21. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Do you think McConnell, Romney, and Rounds would be as happy with the “fairness” of the election if a Bush-Republican like Rubio or Jeb had lost an election under the same circumstances?

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  22. Flicker Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    I have never seen a President talk to the people like Biden did this week in Atlanta. It appears that he actually thinks he has risen to such a lofty level that he can really talk down to us.

    You mean this?  Speaking of counting the votes.

    We on R> have been saying this for years, and now Biden takes up the mantra.  It sounds like he’s being coached by people who are themselves projecting again.

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