If It’s All About Public Safety…

 

Imagine this scenario: In response to rising crime, retail gang theft, and outbreaks of violence at concerts and sporting events; a Government decree went out declaring that entry to shopping centers and public events would be denied to anyone who did not have a Government-issued “Crime Passport” confirming that they had no criminal history. Air travel would also be denied to those who did not have a “Crime Passport,” in the interest of protecting the safety of air travelers.

Explain to me why this would be wrong, but the “Vaccine Passports” being mandated in urban areas like Philadelphia are OK.

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  1. Stad Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo: Explain to me why this would be wrong, but the “Vaccine Passports” being mandated in urban areas like Philadelphia are OK. 

    Can’t do it.  You make a very good point.

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  2. Bishop Wash Member
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  3. Ekosj Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo:

    Imagine this scenario: Air travel would also be denied to those who did not have a “Crime Passport,” in the interest of protecting the safety of air travelers.

    Sometimes a little push back helps clarify one’s line of argument.  

    I like the overall analogy and don’t want to nit-pick … but isn’t the TSA Pre-Check kind’a like a vaccine passport?    You get pre approved as a ‘safe’ traveler and don’t have to do the pre-flight security check.   Same idea, no?   They make you take a driver’s test to demonstrate you are minimally proficient behind the wheel before they give you a driver’s license and let you drive.  They make you buy auto insurance.  Aren’t those the same kind of restriction?

    Would you feel differently if the travel requirement was proof of a very recent negative covid test?  

     

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  4. Max Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo: Explain to me why this would be wrong, but the “Vaccine Passports” being mandated in urban areas like Philadelphia are OK. 

    Easy. People who are less likely to be vaccinated are more likely to vote Republican. People who are more likely to be criminals are more likely to vote Democrat. 🤣

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  5. Max Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    They make you buy auto insurance.

    Not here in New Hampshire! And yet I have it anyway, just in case, because it makes sense to me. Weird. I can do things without the government requiring me.

     

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  6. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    I like the overall analogy and don’t want to nit-pick … but isn’t the TSA Pre-Check kind’a like a vaccine passport?  

    I think the TSA should be abolished, so there’s that. But the entire scheme of “we have to treat toddlers and old ladies like terrorists rather than target actual probably terrorists because fairness” is politically correct idiocy of the same flavor as “we will restrict access to people with vaccine passports, not for any valid scientific reason, but because we’re the Government and we say so.” 

    They make you take a driver’s test to demonstrate you are minimally proficient behind the wheel before they give you a driver’s license and let you drive.  They make you buy auto insurance.  Aren’t those the same kind of restriction?

    Those restrictions are at least somewhat connected to some kind of defensible rationale. However, as with Covid restrictions, we exempt illegal immigrants from those requirements for political reasons, which brings the entire scheme into question. 

    Would you feel differently if the travel requirement was proof of a very recent negative covid test?  

    That would not change the point of the post. Politicians justify vaccines passports/COVID tests on the basis of “public safety.” Surely, denying criminals with felony records from public spaces where they might harm people is also an issue of public safety. 

     

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  7. Stad Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):
    I think the TSA should be abolished

    I’ve come to that conclusion.  Make airports responsible for their own security.  Learn how Israel does it . . .

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  8. Flicker Coolidge
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    And another way of looking at it, is, Imagine that the federal government decided that one flu sick day lost at work was unacceptable and everyone had to get a flu shot every year or lose civic privileges.

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    You know, I just watched I guess an hour and a half of Ross Baker book tour events for his book Bush: Family Secrets (or something).  And I’ve got to say that it sure seems like Bush 41 was CIA all his life, and Bush 43 was an extension of his father.  It seems that nothing is as it seems.

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  10. Judge Mental Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    And another way of looking at it, is, Imagine that the federal government decided that one flu sick day lost at work was unacceptable and everyone had to get a flu shot every year or lose civic privileges.

    I think the way to shut down the passports is to start expanding them to other things.  I would start with HIV status.  Even now, it’s far more deadly than Covid.  If one is legitimate, then so is the other.

    And it would drive them completely insane.

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  11. Flicker Coolidge
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And another way of looking at it, is, Imagine that the federal government decided that one flu sick day lost at work was unacceptable and everyone had to get a flu shot every year or lose civic privileges.

    I think the way to shut down the passports is to start expanding them to other things. I would start with HIV status. Even now, it’s far more deadly than Covid. If one is legitimate, then so is the other.

    And it would drive them completely insane.

    Just extrapolation.  We could include peanut allergy status, STD status, and visual acuity.  We could literally start starving out all the undesirables.

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  12. Judge Mental Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And another way of looking at it, is, Imagine that the federal government decided that one flu sick day lost at work was unacceptable and everyone had to get a flu shot every year or lose civic privileges.

    I think the way to shut down the passports is to start expanding them to other things. I would start with HIV status. Even now, it’s far more deadly than Covid. If one is legitimate, then so is the other.

    And it would drive them completely insane.

    Just extrapolation. We could include peanut allergy status, STD status, and visual acuity. We could literally start starving out all the undesirables.

    Definitely.  Keep adding things, particularly things that will anger them, until the left are the ones demanding they go.  Until leftist mayors are taking brave stands by defying the federal orders on passports.

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  13. Jim McConnell Member
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And another way of looking at it, is, Imagine that the federal government decided that one flu sick day lost at work was unacceptable and everyone had to get a flu shot every year or lose civic privileges.

    I think the way to shut down the passports is to start expanding them to other things. I would start with HIV status. Even now, it’s far more deadly than Covid. If one is legitimate, then so is the other.

    And it would drive them completely insane.

    Just extrapolation. We could include peanut allergy status, STD status, and visual acuity. We could literally start starving out all the undesirables.

    Definitely. Keep adding things, particularly things that will anger them, until the left are the ones demanding they go. Until leftist mayors are taking brave stands by defying the federal orders on passports.

    Governor Polis (D) of Colorado seems to be a bright beacon shining in the Covid darkness. He has basically said that the citizens are responsible for their own decisions re vaccine/masks. Would that they would all follow his example.

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  14. Ray Gunner Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo: Explain to me why this would be wrong, but the “Vaccine Passports” being mandated in urban areas like Philadelphia are OK.

    Can’t do it. You make a very good point.

    C’mon Stad!  Sure you can.  But you have to think like a Democrat:

    The Vaccine Passport should be mandated because it will make life tough on all those Trumpian Deplorables who won’t get vaxxed.

    The Crime Passport should not be mandated because it would make life tough on our voters. 

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  15. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And another way of looking at it, is, Imagine that the federal government decided that one flu sick day lost at work was unacceptable and everyone had to get a flu shot every year or lose civic privileges.

    I think the way to shut down the passports is to start expanding them to other things. I would start with HIV status. Even now, it’s far more deadly than Covid. If one is legitimate, then so is the other.

    And it would drive them completely insane.

    Just extrapolation. We could include peanut allergy status, STD status, and visual acuity. We could literally start starving out all the undesirables.

    I’m undesirable, so I’d be one of the first to go.

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  16. Stad Coolidge
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    Ray Gunner (View Comment):
    C’mon Stad!  Sure you can.  But you have to think like a Democrat

    Sorry.  Every time I try to think like a Democrat, it makes me ill . . .

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  17. Full Size Tabby Member
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    A “crime passport” will do more for public safety than does a Covid vaccine passport. 

    Most serious crime is committed by people with a prior history of crime. So barring from public spaces people with a criminal history will reduce serious crime, improving public health and safety. 

    We are now being told by the CDC and other “public health experts” that Covid vaccination has no effect on Covid transmission. Therefore, a vaccine mandate (or passport requirement) does exactly ZERO for public health and safety. The vaccine benefits are all individual and private. 

     

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