Detached from America? It depends

 

On Twitter, our friend Claire Berlinski (I could have just said Claire, and you’d know, but I used her whole name as a bat signal in case she gets an alert that I’m talking about her tweet) wrote:

Yes and no. 

The problem with “Yes” is that different people have exactly opposite opinions.

For some: yes, they believe the country is on the brink of authoritarianism, and also there is not enough authoritarianism when it comes to masks and vaccines. The country is threatened by right-wing white supremacists who want to destroy Our Democracy; we’re always one day away from 1/6, and also, the riots of 2020 were regrettable but righteous and understandable. An astroturf cohort of “concerned parents” are violently attacking school boards in an attempt to keep schools from teaching about racism and the history of slavery.

On the other side: yes, because our expectation of minimal competence among the managerial class in government, always grudging and grumpy because they’re so sure of themselves and what’s best for us, has been demolished by two years of flat-footed mismanagement coupled with no diminution in their estimation of their abilities and importance. The current administration is empty at the top, indifferent to actual problems, intent on forcing things on the populace that the populace does not want, incapable of addressing lawlessness and public disorder, and hostile to the Moorlocks in the hustings with their retrograde ideas (like single-family zoning or the desire to buy a pickup.)

But. No, inasmuch as the real world is not the fret-fest of social media, where you stick your head into the yowling maelstrom of the tremulous and neurotic, or the locker-room of boisterous bros who bleep-post to own the libs. In the actual America people are going to bars and restaurants and grocery stores and getting along just fine, bearing up under the new problems, gritting our teeth, and holding doors open for people behind us without worrying who they voted for. Bad ideas come and go in cycles. We’ve been through worse.

Responses:

Uh huh. Comptroller of the Currency nom wants to bankrupt the energy industry, wants the nationalization of the banking industry, the FBI raids journalists’ offices, racial essentialism is the required intellectual posture in the circles of power, commerce,  and education, but the real worrisome thought is ending up like Hungary.

Takes a lot longer slog to get out from under nationalized banks and no carbon-based energy sector, I think.  

And:

Again, there was this thing called “The summer of 2020” when city after city, including my own, had spasms of leftist political street violence (with some assistance from opportunistic apolitical miscreants and alt-right morons) that burned down blocks, killed businesses, and increased crime; the reaction of the bien-pensants was to justify the Uprising and attack anyone who seemed to point out that property damage was bad. We have a record number of carjackings in our city, and I guar-an-damn-tee you there’s not a soul driving around worried that MAGA types are going to bracket their car and drag them out at gunpoint. 

But yes, sure, Trumpian fascism is right around the corner. Be on guard!  Also, report your co-worker for saying something approving about Dave Chappelle. It made you feel unsafe.

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  1. Judge Mental Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”

    What about Elizabethton, TN?

    We smoke almost as much as Parisians do. Although we’re more sophisticated. In my view…

    [sneering] ‘eeer is your “Pernoh-deh!”

    I think I remember that movie.

    An American Werewolf in Paris.

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  2. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Note: Believe it or not, Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”.

     

    Compared to what? Wheeling?

    Count how many cities in the Apalachians have major universities, orchestras, major museums, etc.   There is even a book.

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  3. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Note: Believe it or not, Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”.

     

    Compared to what? Wheeling?

    Count how many cities in the Apalachians have major universities, orchestras, major museums, etc. There is even a book.

    We were very favorably impressed when we drove through several years ago. 

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  4. BDB Inactive
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    That’s all very nice, but my second desk is the Paris of my Apartment.  Context matters.

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  5. navyjag Coolidge
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    Short answer: Nah, Claire. Even in San Francisco. Have teed up 3 CRT school board members to kick over the goal posts in a recall and Soros funded DA is next on June 7.  Optimism abounds. Even in the strangest places. 

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen.

    I love this. The problem is some aren’t seeing it. 

    Our institutions are comprehensively failing. We did every single thing wrong in the face of the wage deflation and job destruction from automation and globalized labor.

    The only intelligent option is to do anything you can to make things stop moving left. Retreating is usually very dangerous.

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    Franco (View Comment):
    They are smugly intransigent and will not take advice from people they hold in contempt.

    Also, the ordinary voters that support these guys don’t really study anything. I watch those principles first types like a hawk and it’s a big problem. They have all of this idealistic crap in their heads that probably was OK before 30 years ago. They just aren’t assessing things properly at all. They’re being duped, effectively.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Except it seems like there’s always something of a shortage of trained medical people.

    I’m being screwed by a shortage of LPNs. Anybody on any side of this that thinks you can whip up medical labor out of unicorn dust is an idiot.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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  10. Podkayne of Israel Inactive
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    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The Hungarian Bugaboo – which sounds like a charming native children’s dance – is interesting, because I don’t know exactly what they mean. Is it just authoritarian Orbanism? Because it that’s the case then stop expanding the got-durned state and sticking its tentacles into places that would make Kurt Eichenwald blush. If it’s the nationalism, well, Hungary is different from the United States, and is under no obligation to be less Hungarian, any more than Japan is obliged to become more Spanish. Is it the religion? If so, what you mean is it’s the wrong religion, and they shouldn’t be so, you know, religiousy.

    It’s both. Hungary has old school Catholicism and big families, they limit refugees and are not particularly open to refuges. This calls into question the Franco-German idea of a civilized modern country (few, if any, children, secular and over-run with refugees dependent on welfare.)

    Claire is like many exPats I’ve known in France. They come to loath us uncouth Americans, you know, with pasty complexions, dunlop disease and a chronic lack of self-awareness.

    “Expats” not “exPats”. From the Latin “ex patria”, “Outside of Fatherland”. By the way, all my Latin is from North Carolina schools.

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  11. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”

    What about Elizabethton, TN?

    Does Elizabethton look like this at night?

    Um, well, not quite… 

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  12. Chris O Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Here is a fairly recent video. If you have the interest and patience to watch, you can decide if she still makes as much sense as she did eleven years ago in her interview with some guy named Peter Robinson.

    Very interesting, I thought. Claire’s analysis is rock solid when she says the EU is not a thing dedicated to principles. Unfortunately, she seems unable or unwilling to answer the logical followup (the interviewer also does not think to ask): what, then is the EU committed to if it is not a principle or set of principles?

    The answer is the EU apparatus–not its citizens–is dedicated to its power, and has its member states either on board, sufficiently placated, or bought off. Claire is halfway to this conclusion, it seems, but is unable or unwilling to look at the devastation that analysis would cause her worldview.

    And then Trump threatened liberal democracy by encouraging Brexit? No, Claire, Brexit threatened EU power and clout (see above why the continent was upset). The EU is not a liberal democracy, and its administration is quite a departure from how we would expect a government so-described to operate.

    The Brexit referendum, by the way, was an exercise in liberal democracy, and how did the ‘stay’ forces argue their side? They promoted fear.

    Very interesting, indeed. Thanks, @django

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  13. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Chris O (View Comment):

    Claire’s analysis is rock solid when she says the EU is not a thing dedicated to principles. Unfortunately, she seems unable or unwilling to answer the logical followup (the interviewer also does not think to ask): what, then is the EU committed to if it is not a principle or set of principles?

    The answer is the EU apparatus–not its citizens–is dedicated to its power, and has its member states either on board, sufficiently placated, or bought off. Claire is halfway to this conclusion, it seems, but is unable or unwilling to look at the devastation that analysis would cause her worldview.

    That is exactly the part of the EU that always gave me the creeps.  

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  14. Percival Thatcher
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    Chris O (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Here is a fairly recent video. If you have the interest and patience to watch, you can decide if she still makes as much sense as she did eleven years ago in her interview with some guy named Peter Robinson.

    Very interesting, I thought. Claire’s analysis is rock solid when she says the EU is not a thing dedicated to principles. Unfortunately, she seems unable or unwilling to answer the logical followup (the interviewer also does not think to ask): what, then is the EU committed to if it is not a principle or set of principles?

    The answer is the EU apparatus–not its citizens–is dedicated to its power, and has its member states either on board, sufficiently placated, or bought off. Claire is halfway to this conclusion, it seems, but is unable or unwilling to look at the devastation that analysis would cause her worldview.

    And then Trump threatened liberal democracy by encouraging Brexit? No, Claire, Brexit threatened EU power and clout (see above why the continent was upset). The EU is not a liberal democracy, and its administration is quite a departure from how we would expect a government so-described to operate.

    The Brexit referendum, by the way, was an exercise in liberal democracy, and how did the ‘stay’ forces argue their side? They promoted fear.

    Very interesting, indeed. Thanks, @ django

    Exchange “the aristocracy” for “the EU apparatus” and all becomes clear.

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    I think the EU started out as a good idea to just facilitate trade. 

    Europe is at a disadvantage because they have so many legislatures,  cultures, and they had so many currencies. When they tried to solve that, they really screwed it up. 

    Are there any worthwhile supranational governance structures? I highly doubt it.

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  16. Chris O Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):
    Exchange “the aristocracy” for “the EU apparatus” and all becomes clear.

    Yes, I had “elites” in there with it, but was trying not to throw too much out there. I figured we could talk about that interview with Claire in a whole other thread for quite some time.

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Europe is at a disadvantage because they have so many legislatures,  cultures, and they had so many currencies. When they tried to solve that, they really screwed it up.

    And how, despite warnings from everywhere. The EU has an expiration date thanks the currency union, partly because of rules drawn up by their bureaucrats (European Commission) that are binding over democratically-elected governments.

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  17. BDB Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    They are smugly intransigent and will not take advice from people they hold in contempt.

    Also, the ordinary voters that support these guys don’t really study anything. I watch those principles first types like a hawk and it’s a big problem. They have all of this idealistic crap in their heads that probably was OK before 30 years ago. They just aren’t assessing things properly at all. They’re being duped, effectively.

    This is an important point.  It is not as though I (we) disagree with the principles of the principles-firsters, and in fact I admire their focus.  The problem is that operating strenuously from principles is best suited for winning moderated debates.  It is less suited for convincing people in the real world, and very poorly suited for actually getting things done.  Those principles must inform, not dictate.

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    They are smugly intransigent and will not take advice from people they hold in contempt.

    Also, the ordinary voters that support these guys don’t really study anything. I watch those principles first types like a hawk and it’s a big problem. They have all of this idealistic crap in their heads that probably was OK before 30 years ago. They just aren’t assessing things properly at all. They’re being duped, effectively.

    This is an important point. It is not as though I (we) disagree with the principles of the principles-firsters, and in fact I admire their focus. The problem is that operating strenuously from principles is best suited for winning moderated debates. It is less suited for convincing people in the real world, and very poorly suited for actually getting things done. Those principles must inform, not dictate.

    That’s the way I feel. The other thing is the government and the structure of the economy have changed so much, that boiler plate libertarianism or conservatism just isn’t ideal right now. 

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  19. Percival Thatcher
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    If I had the ability to wish Americans into the cornfield to Paris permanently, Claire wouldn’t be on my list.

    But there is a list.

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  20. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen.

    I love this. The problem is some aren’t seeing it.

    Our institutions are comprehensively failing. We did every single thing wrong in the face of the wage deflation and job destruction from automation and globalized labor.

    The only intelligent option is to do anything you can to make things stop moving left. Retreating is usually very dangerous.

    An undisciplined retreat usually becomes a rout.  

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  21. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    If I had the ability to wish Americans into the cornfield to Paris permanently, Claire wouldn’t be on my list.

    But there is a list.

    I have a list, too. but it’s people I’m going to wish into Kandahar.

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  22. BDB Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    If I had the ability to wish Americans into the cornfield to Paris permanently, Claire wouldn’t be on my list.

    But there is a list.

    I have a list, too. but it’s people I’m going to wish into Kandahar.

    Place hasn’t been the same since TGIFriday’s closed.

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  23. The Reticulator Member
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    Chris O (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Exchange “the aristocracy” for “the EU apparatus” and all becomes clear.

    Yes, I had “elites” in there with it, but was trying not to throw too much out there. I figured we could talk about that interview with Claire in a whole other thread for quite some time.

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Europe is at a disadvantage because they have so many legislatures, cultures, and they had so many currencies. When they tried to solve that, they really screwed it up.

    And how, despite warnings from everywhere. The EU has an expiration date thanks the currency union, partly because of rules drawn up by their bureaucrats (European Commission) that are binding over democratically-elected governments.

    Could you explain that expiration date? That’s not something I had heard about. I find it interesting because it seems to me that the currency union was the point at which the EU turned bad.  

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  24. Cosmik Phred Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Hear, Hear.

    I did not think I’d live to see then70s all over agian.

    I won’t be forced to wear, green, plaid Toughskins jeans this time around.  So there’s that.

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  25. RyanFalcone Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    We’ve failed. These were folks we should’ve embraced and supported and invested in. Instead, we became defensive and attacked them and pushed them away. They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen. I doubt very many would be willing to accept our hand if we were to offer it. Is there still room for grace and forgiveness and humility on either side?

    No, I disagree with your assessment. They believed and told lies and aggressed against us and believed the worse against us based on the lies they were told. I have embraced, supported and invested in too many of them only to be stabbed in the back. They have a responsibility too not to be useful idiots.

    I understand. In my post, I used Claire as a place filler for several folks in my life who have disappointed me as well. I could be wrong. I had many very nice discussions with Claire before all this went down and what has happened has been very sad. She isn’t stupid or evil and I think that too often that is where this discourse devolves too.

    I guess my main point is that there is still a soul there. If we are to save ourselves it will be by winning her and others back. Of course, there are others out there who won’t be and/or can’t be, as others have mentioned. Maybe that is where she is and possibly was all along? I just hope that isn’t the case and would like to express some desire to still be open to folks like her and be respectful until we can’t be so anymore. Some say that point has been reached and I don’t hold that against them at all.

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  26. Chris O Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Chris O (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Exchange “the aristocracy” for “the EU apparatus” and all becomes clear.

    Yes, I had “elites” in there with it, but was trying not to throw too much out there. I figured we could talk about that interview with Claire in a whole other thread for quite some time.

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Europe is at a disadvantage because they have so many legislatures, cultures, and they had so many currencies. When they tried to solve that, they really screwed it up.

    And how, despite warnings from everywhere. The EU has an expiration date thanks the currency union, partly because of rules drawn up by their bureaucrats (European Commission) that are binding over democratically-elected governments.

    Could you explain that expiration date? That’s not something I had heard about. I find it interesting because it seems to me that the currency union was the point at which the EU turned bad.

    At about the same time the Euro was put into circulation (it was traded for some time prior), the EC (European Commission) put a rule in place that prices had to be the same throughout the common market. Now, as you’re no doubt aware, here in the ‘States there is a range of places where the cost of living is less or more depending where you are. The same is true in Europe, and the money people earned where the cost of living was less suddenly bought a lot less when the EC’s rule was put into place.

    So, overnight the standard of living for people in Greece, Italy, and Spain (conspicuous examples), went south, so to speak. There are or were additional rules that favored larger manufacturers over smaller ones, to the degree that it determined that Dutch beer had to be served in restaurants in Greece, and also pushed smaller, local manufacturers out of business.

    That’s an untenable situation, and the Greek financial crisis was largely down to their government’s efforts to make up the difference. The EU, with all its brainpower, simply didn’t take into account that the Greek or Spanish or Italian economy wasn’t the same as Germany’s. I haven’t updated my reading on the situation in some time (things have been happening here, after all), so I don’t know if that rule is still in place, but you can see that it’s something the richer economies don’t notice because the standardized prices are based on theirs, and the lesser economies simply cannot afford the prices forced upon them.

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  27. The Reticulator Member
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    Chris O (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Chris O (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Exchange “the aristocracy” for “the EU apparatus” and all becomes clear.

    Yes, I had “elites” in there with it, but was trying not to throw too much out there. I figured we could talk about that interview with Claire in a whole other thread for quite some time.

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Europe is at a disadvantage because they have so many legislatures, cultures, and they had so many currencies. When they tried to solve that, they really screwed it up.

    And how, despite warnings from everywhere. The EU has an expiration date thanks the currency union, partly because of rules drawn up by their bureaucrats (European Commission) that are binding over democratically-elected governments.

    Could you explain that expiration date? That’s not something I had heard about. I find it interesting because it seems to me that the currency union was the point at which the EU turned bad.

    At about the same time the Euro was put into circulation (it was traded for some time prior), the EC (European Commission) put a rule in place that prices had to be the same throughout the common market. Now, as you’re no doubt aware, here in the ‘States there is a range of places where the cost of living is less or more depending where you are. The same is true in Europe, and the money people earned where the cost of living was less suddenly bought a lot less when the EC’s rule was put into place.

    So, overnight the standard of living for people in Greece, Italy, and Spain (conspicuous examples), went south, so to speak. There are or were additional rules that favored larger manufacturers over smaller ones, to the degree that it determined that Dutch beer had to be served in restaurants in Greece, and also pushing smaller, local manufacturers out of business.

    That’s an untenable situation, and the Greek financial crisis was largely down to their government’s efforts to make up the difference. The EU, with all its brainpower, simply didn’t take into account that the Greek or Spanish or Italian economy wasn’t the same as Germany’s. I haven’t updated my reading on the situation in some time (things have been happening here, after all), so I don’t know if that rule is still in place, but you can see that it’s something the richer economies don’t notice because the standardized prices are based on theirs, and the lesser economies simply cannot afford the prices forced upon them.

    Were you speaking of a de facto rather than a de jure expiration on the common currency, then? 

     

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  28. Chris O Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Were you speaking of a de facto rather than a de jure expiration on the common currency, then? 

    Yes, indeed. No particular date in mind, maybe Friday, though. Whenever German taxpayers decide enough is enough

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  29. The Reticulator Member
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    Chris O (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Were you speaking of a de facto rather than a de jure expiration on the common currency, then?

    Yes, indeed. No particular date in mind, maybe Friday, though. Whenever German taxpayers decide enough is enough

    Poland seems to have been dragging out its timetable for joining the common currency.  It would be good for the EU if it and other such countries just keep going that way.

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    You can’t have a common currency with separate and otherwise sovereign legislatures and cultures. They made everything worse. 

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