Detached from America? It depends

 

On Twitter, our friend Claire Berlinski (I could have just said Claire, and you’d know, but I used her whole name as a bat signal in case she gets an alert that I’m talking about her tweet) wrote:

Yes and no. 

The problem with “Yes” is that different people have exactly opposite opinions.

For some: yes, they believe the country is on the brink of authoritarianism, and also there is not enough authoritarianism when it comes to masks and vaccines. The country is threatened by right-wing white supremacists who want to destroy Our Democracy; we’re always one day away from 1/6, and also, the riots of 2020 were regrettable but righteous and understandable. An astroturf cohort of “concerned parents” are violently attacking school boards in an attempt to keep schools from teaching about racism and the history of slavery.

On the other side: yes, because our expectation of minimal competence among the managerial class in government, always grudging and grumpy because they’re so sure of themselves and what’s best for us, has been demolished by two years of flat-footed mismanagement coupled with no diminution in their estimation of their abilities and importance. The current administration is empty at the top, indifferent to actual problems, intent on forcing things on the populace that the populace does not want, incapable of addressing lawlessness and public disorder, and hostile to the Moorlocks in the hustings with their retrograde ideas (like single-family zoning or the desire to buy a pickup.)

But. No, inasmuch as the real world is not the fret-fest of social media, where you stick your head into the yowling maelstrom of the tremulous and neurotic, or the locker-room of boisterous bros who bleep-post to own the libs. In the actual America people are going to bars and restaurants and grocery stores and getting along just fine, bearing up under the new problems, gritting our teeth, and holding doors open for people behind us without worrying who they voted for. Bad ideas come and go in cycles. We’ve been through worse.

Responses:

Uh huh. Comptroller of the Currency nom wants to bankrupt the energy industry, wants the nationalization of the banking industry, the FBI raids journalists’ offices, racial essentialism is the required intellectual posture in the circles of power, commerce,  and education, but the real worrisome thought is ending up like Hungary.

Takes a lot longer slog to get out from under nationalized banks and no carbon-based energy sector, I think.  

And:

Again, there was this thing called “The summer of 2020” when city after city, including my own, had spasms of leftist political street violence (with some assistance from opportunistic apolitical miscreants and alt-right morons) that burned down blocks, killed businesses, and increased crime; the reaction of the bien-pensants was to justify the Uprising and attack anyone who seemed to point out that property damage was bad. We have a record number of carjackings in our city, and I guar-an-damn-tee you there’s not a soul driving around worried that MAGA types are going to bracket their car and drag them out at gunpoint. 

But yes, sure, Trumpian fascism is right around the corner. Be on guard!  Also, report your co-worker for saying something approving about Dave Chappelle. It made you feel unsafe.

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  1. Captain French Moderator
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Captain French (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I think if you really want to “summon the gorgon” it takes more than just typing out her name. More like @ claire

    Oops. Now I’ve gone and done it.

    But really, hasn’t Claire already been detached from America for at least 20 years?

    Literally detached, for at least ten years.

    She visited New York in there, somewhere.

    And I think her mother lives (lived?) in Seattle, so she visited there occasionally.

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  2. BDB Inactive
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Captain French (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I think if you really want to “summon the gorgon” it takes more than just typing out her name. More like @ claire

    Oops. Now I’ve gone and done it.

    But really, hasn’t Claire already been detached from America for at least 20 years?

    Literally detached, for at least ten years.

    She visited New York in there, somewhere.

    I visited Kerala.  I have no idea what’s going on there.  I admit it — I feel detached from southwestern India.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Captain French (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I think if you really want to “summon the gorgon” it takes more than just typing out her name. More like @ claire

    Oops. Now I’ve gone and done it.

    But really, hasn’t Claire already been detached from America for at least 20 years?

    Literally detached, for at least ten years.

    She visited New York in there, somewhere.

    I visited Kerala. I have no idea what’s going on there. I admit it — I feel detached from southwestern India.

    What, STILL???

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  4. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Inactive
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    Does Claire consider herself an American?  Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Does Claire consider herself an American? Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

    For a brief portion of a second, I thought she was going to explain her plan for reattaching herself to America.

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  6. BDB Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Does Claire consider herself an American? Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

    For a brief portion of a second, I thought she was going to explain her plan for reattaching herself to America.

    I’m afraid the patient would reject the transplant.

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  7. Judge Mental Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Does Claire consider herself an American? Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

    For a brief portion of a second, I thought she was going to explain her plan for reattaching herself to America.

    I’m afraid the patient would reject the transplant.

    Or the other way around.

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Does Claire consider herself an American? Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

    For a brief portion of a second, I thought she was going to explain her plan for reattaching herself to America.

    I’m afraid the patient would reject the transplant.

    Don’t they have drugs these days to suppress the immune system? 

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Does Claire consider herself an American? Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

    For a brief portion of a second, I thought she was going to explain her plan for reattaching herself to America.

    I’m afraid the patient would reject the transplant.

    Don’t they have drugs these days to suppress the immune system?

    For Claire, or for America?

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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Does Claire consider herself an American? Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

    For a brief portion of a second, I thought she was going to explain her plan for reattaching herself to America.

    I’m afraid the patient would reject the transplant.

    Or the other way around.

    Bqhateverw.

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Does Claire consider herself an American? Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

    For a brief portion of a second, I thought she was going to explain her plan for reattaching herself to America.

    I’m afraid the patient would reject the transplant.

    Don’t they have drugs these days to suppress the immune system?

    For Claire, or for America?

    Yes.

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  12. Guruforhire Inactive
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    My grandmother died awhile ago.  She had an open casket funeral.  I think all my grandparents had an open casket funeral.

    So, everybody gets in a line, walks by the casket and then sits down in the funeral home in a small rural community and catches up.

    What do you feel, when looking at a corpse of a loved one?  Existential dread as you consider your own mortality?  Nothing?  Its not really grandma.  Its just a husk.  Grandma isn’t there.

    Based upon the behavior of our institutions (and the downright insane behavior of some punditry) the past 10 years or so, America is dead, and the husk is just a husk that just hasn’t decomposed yet.

    Just by observing claire we can see how Nazis happened, and lez-be-honest is happening now.

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  13. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    The messaging was scattershot. I don’t think he was the guy you want setting the tone when everything’s in flux,  no one knows what’s around the corner, and repeatedly telling everyone “it’ll go away” sets up erroneous expectations. 

    That is the rare fair criticism of Trump. In his defense, I think Trump was trying to keep the public calm and the economy open, but he was up against a Democratic-Media-Complex that was absolutely hysterical with panic porn and hated him to begin with. Even if he had kept his messaging serious and consistent, it would have been drowned out in the cacophony of  “We’re all going to die! Stay tuned for details.” 

    A smart Covid plan would have avoided the lockdowns except around the elderly and sick. I thought at the time a smart move would have been for the Government to lease empty big box stores (your former Kmarts, Circuit Cities, and Sports Authorities) and outfit them as Covid testing and treatment centers, leaving the hospitals open for normal operations. I mean, people were so SUPER IMPRESSED when the ChiComs built that Potempkin Hospital in four days. Even if they ended up doing as little business as those army field hospitals and Navy ships, it would have been something people could latch onto.  

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  14. TBA Coolidge
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    When I really want to understand the pulse of America it is always illuminating to seek out the opinion of someone who hasn’t lived there for many years. 

    Claire is an inverted de Tocqueville and any distancing she is feeling towards the country she no longer lives in is largely due to her literal distance from that country. 
    She used to be pretty on target but now she’s overGaulified. 

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  15. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    I wonder what Claire means by her statement.

    She supported Joe Biden and voted for him (as I recall – could be wrong maybe), he is now enacting policies popular with the political party that he has belonged to for his entire life, so I don’t understand the crazy part. She supported a Democrat, he’s doing what Democrats do, and we’re getting what we get when Democrats win. She’s old enough to remember Carter, I think. If not, she’s well-read. Look around the world. This is leftism.

    She may mean that the right wing is out of control. If that’s the case, I agree, James, that that concern would appear to be overblown if not outright fabricated for political purposes.

    But I don’t think that’s what she means. I think she finds our lurch to the left to be crazy.

    If that’s what she means, I don’t understand her perspective. She’s getting what she voted for.

    She railed about Trump like he was the devil himself.  Maybe she is in a twilight, politically speaking, thinking this new world order that is unfolding here and across the world is some sort of Enlightenment Period 2.0.  The French didn’t revolt for nothing! She better look around beyond Paris, as one country after another in Europe is starting to lock down and segregate the vaccinated from the un-vaccinated, and get a clue.

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  16. TBA Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    James Lileks: We’ve been through worse.

    Yup.

    If we become Hungary, do we at least get kiffles? I can put up with a lot of nonsense if we get kiffles.

    Let’s do it for Schlitz and kiffles! 

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  17. TBA Coolidge
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    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Does Claire consider herself an American? Maybe it’s just me… but a big part of not feeling detached from one’s country (unless I’m missing something) would be to live here and have an actual stake in what happens.

    When the US military stations their people overseas, the send them back to the states at least yearly for this very reason. 

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  18. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Blondie (View Comment):

    @ jameslileks, for some reason this reminded me of the exchange you had with Rob on the podcast about gas prices, etc. I think because these guys don’t live in our “neck of the woods” they don’t see what we see. You live like the rest of us plebes. I don’t think Claire would last long how you grew up.

    Oh, I don’t know. People adapt. I grew up middle-class in the middle of the continent in a middle-sized town, with the extra herbs-and-spices blend of having a father who was an independent businessman and a mother whose family still ran the farm 15 miles to the north. I ended up running off to the big city to make a living by typing, which is contrary to the actual work of my forebears. I mean, in my dad’s business, you had to deal with things like EXPLODING LOADING DOCKS, and in my grandparents’ trade, you got your sleeve caught in an augur and lost a limb. Put it this way: in my trade you don’t need Lava soap at the end of the day to get rid of the oil or the chaff.

    If she’d grown up in Fargo, who knows? Could’ve fallen in love the prairie, as people do, and ended up teaching at the college, playing in the symphony.

    Yes, yes, Minneapolis is hardly The Big City in the great global sense. It’s not Paris, but what else is? I could never live in Paris permanently, because I would never shake the sense – possibly reinforced by everyone else – that I was not French. Frustrating, in a way – considering what France has given to Western Culture, and how the unmatched urban artistry of 19th century Paris makes you want to be a Belle Époque flaneur. All proud citizens of Western Civ should call it home! <basilfawltyvoice> whatever you do don’t mention the revolution </basilfawltyvoice>But I would never feel as if I had the essence of the place in my marrow.

    It was the same in DC, somewhat – everyone was from elsewhere, at least in the gummint and chattering class, has little investment in the place itself. I felt as if I belonged in the sense that all Americans belong to these symbols and monuments, but you never shake the tourist feeling. You end up moving to the suburbs, and no, you’re not really a Virginian, or a Marylander. You’re just a transplant in shallow ground. And so I returned to the Midwest, not because I want to go to the VFW and have a Grain Belt with a guy whose cap has ear flaps, but because it feels like home to be standing next to that guy as we gas up at the Casey’s, and it’s 10 below, and we give each other a stoic nod: nippy.

    Also me as the winter sets in: screw this, AZ or FL, flip a coin, I don’t care.

    FL has too many East Coasters.  Come to AZ.  I’ll buy you a bourbon and we’ll talk about the snow you don’t have to shovel.

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  19. James Lileks Contributor
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    James Lileks: has been demolished by two years of flat-footed mismanagement coupled with no diminution in their estimation of their abilities and importance.

    Biden has only been in office 10.5 months. Is this a dig at Trump for his COVID response? Because I kinda liked it when there were no federal vax mandates and the states got to decide their own path forward. Just sayin’.

    I wondered why this wasn’t either one year or fifty years. Two doesn’t check out for me. Perhaps he’s just talking about the Fauci-ization and whatever enabled it — which does include GEOTUS I’m afraid.

    Your last point, plus the response of local governments. I wasn’t impressed with Trump’s response, and no I’m not talking about bleach-drinking or any other canards. The messaging was scattershot. I don’t think he was the guy you want setting the tone when everything’s in flux,  no one knows what’s around the corner, and repeatedly telling everyone “it’ll go away” sets up erroneous expectations.

    None of that matters when compared to Operation Warp Speed, which counted more than anything.

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  20. Miffed White Male Member
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    TBA (View Comment):
    When I really want to understand the pulse of America it is always illuminating to seek out the opinion of someone who hasn’t lived there for many years. 

    Just wanted this  to stand alone.

     

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  21. Franco Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    When I really want to understand the pulse of America it is always illuminating to seek out the opinion of someone who hasn’t lived there for many years.

    Just wanted this to stand alone.

     

    Claire Berkinski – not exactly Selena Zito, is she?

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  22. Percival Thatcher
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    James Lileks: We’ve been through worse.

    Yup.

    If we become Hungary, do we at least get kiffles? I can put up with a lot of nonsense if we get kiffles.

    Let’s do it for Schlitz and kiffles!

    Not Schlitz. There aren’t many beers that I avoid, but Schlitz is one.

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  23. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    James Lileks: We’ve been through worse.

    Yup.

    If we become Hungary, do we at least get kiffles? I can put up with a lot of nonsense if we get kiffles.

    Let’s do it for Schlitz and kiffles!

    Not Schlitz. There aren’t many beers that I avoid, but Schlitz is one.

    You could have Black Label instead…

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  24. Percival Thatcher
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    James Lileks: We’ve been through worse.

    Yup.

    If we become Hungary, do we at least get kiffles? I can put up with a lot of nonsense if we get kiffles.

    Let’s do it for Schlitz and kiffles!

    Not Schlitz. There aren’t many beers that I avoid, but Schlitz is one.

    You could have Black Label instead…

    The house-operated beer vending machine in my frat sold Black Label for 25¢ each. The house cleared 8¢ per bottle.

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  25. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The Hungarian Bugaboo – which sounds like a charming native children’s dance – is interesting, because I don’t know exactly what they mean. Is it just authoritarian Orbanism? Because it that’s the case then stop expanding the got-durned state and sticking its tentacles into places that would make Kurt Eichenwald blush. If it’s the nationalism, well, Hungary is different from the United States, and is under no obligation to be less Hungarian, any more than Japan is obliged to become more Spanish. Is it the religion? If so, what you mean is it’s the wrong religion, and they shouldn’t be so, you know, religiousy.

    It’s both.  Hungary has old school Catholicism and big families, they limit refugees and are not particularly open to refuges.  This calls into question the Franco-German idea of a civilized modern country (few, if any, children, secular and over-run with refugees dependent on welfare.)  

    Claire is like many exPats I’ve known in France.  They come to loath us uncouth Americans, you know, with pasty complexions, dunlop disease and a chronic lack of self-awareness.  

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  26. Concretevol Thatcher
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    To answer Claire’s question, I am not detached from America.  I am very detached from the federal government and social media.  

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  27. RyanFalcone Member
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    Claire reminds me of many loved ones who have found themselves denouncing the right despite believing in many of the same things we believe and also accepting the left despite being skeptical of much of what they believe. Many of these folks are the best of us. Loving, compassionate, tender-hearted, intelligent folks who in many cases have been deeply wounded. Wounded by broken homes, failed institutions and quite commonly by a lack of true faith in God.

     

    They feel adrift and insufficiently prepared to fight through the trials of life. They fear authorities but also deeply feel that not having them may be even worse. They like the thought of liberty and true justice but they can’t bring themselves to trust these ideals to the likes of politicians, especially the likes of Trump.

     

    They detach and listfully write prose in Parisienne flats surrounded by cats or maybe sit in suburban couches watching the Hallmark Channel, etc.

     

    We’ve failed. These were folks we should’ve embraced and supported and invested in. Instead, we became defensive and attacked them and pushed them away. They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen. I doubt very many would be willing to accept our hand if we were to offer it. Is there still room for grace and forgiveness and humility on either side?

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  28. BDB Inactive
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    They detach and listfully write prose in Parisienne flats surrounded by cats or maybe sit in suburban couches watching the Hallmark Channel, etc.

     

    We’ve failed. These were folks we should’ve embraced and supported and invested in. Instead, we became defensive and attacked them and pushed them away. They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen. I doubt very many would be willing to accept our hand if we were to offer it. Is there still room for grace and forgiveness and humility on either side?

    Perhaps you missed several years of discourse here.  I know I did, but that was after Claire seemed to stop posting and editing here.

    The split in the party is people like Mitt Romney, John McCain, Paul Ryan, and their supporters/henchmen Jen Rubin, Mona Charen, Bill Kristol, et al who have simply walked away from Joe Six-pack.  They openly despise us, and machinate to win without us.

    I do not advise any Republican ever to reward tantrums of dissociation.  When you reward a thing, you get more of it.  Let those who slam the door come back in humility, and not be carried in by the despised.

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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Concretevol (View Comment):

    To answer Claire’s question, I am not detached from America. I am very detached from the federal government and social media.

    With you, I figured you had a strong wall between you and the Federal government and social media! 

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  30. Henry Racette Member
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    This is yet another example of a progressive sprinting far beyond where the mainstream of America wants to be, and then bemoaning the fact that there’s such a gulf between her position and that of the rest of us.

    The Great Divide in America has been created by a relatively small fraction staking out a position far removed from the rest.

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