Detached from America? It depends

 

On Twitter, our friend Claire Berlinski (I could have just said Claire, and you’d know, but I used her whole name as a bat signal in case she gets an alert that I’m talking about her tweet) wrote:

Yes and no. 

The problem with “Yes” is that different people have exactly opposite opinions.

For some: yes, they believe the country is on the brink of authoritarianism, and also there is not enough authoritarianism when it comes to masks and vaccines. The country is threatened by right-wing white supremacists who want to destroy Our Democracy; we’re always one day away from 1/6, and also, the riots of 2020 were regrettable but righteous and understandable. An astroturf cohort of “concerned parents” are violently attacking school boards in an attempt to keep schools from teaching about racism and the history of slavery.

On the other side: yes, because our expectation of minimal competence among the managerial class in government, always grudging and grumpy because they’re so sure of themselves and what’s best for us, has been demolished by two years of flat-footed mismanagement coupled with no diminution in their estimation of their abilities and importance. The current administration is empty at the top, indifferent to actual problems, intent on forcing things on the populace that the populace does not want, incapable of addressing lawlessness and public disorder, and hostile to the Moorlocks in the hustings with their retrograde ideas (like single-family zoning or the desire to buy a pickup.)

But. No, inasmuch as the real world is not the fret-fest of social media, where you stick your head into the yowling maelstrom of the tremulous and neurotic, or the locker-room of boisterous bros who bleep-post to own the libs. In the actual America people are going to bars and restaurants and grocery stores and getting along just fine, bearing up under the new problems, gritting our teeth, and holding doors open for people behind us without worrying who they voted for. Bad ideas come and go in cycles. We’ve been through worse.

Responses:

Uh huh. Comptroller of the Currency nom wants to bankrupt the energy industry, wants the nationalization of the banking industry, the FBI raids journalists’ offices, racial essentialism is the required intellectual posture in the circles of power, commerce,  and education, but the real worrisome thought is ending up like Hungary.

Takes a lot longer slog to get out from under nationalized banks and no carbon-based energy sector, I think.  

And:

Again, there was this thing called “The summer of 2020” when city after city, including my own, had spasms of leftist political street violence (with some assistance from opportunistic apolitical miscreants and alt-right morons) that burned down blocks, killed businesses, and increased crime; the reaction of the bien-pensants was to justify the Uprising and attack anyone who seemed to point out that property damage was bad. We have a record number of carjackings in our city, and I guar-an-damn-tee you there’s not a soul driving around worried that MAGA types are going to bracket their car and drag them out at gunpoint. 

But yes, sure, Trumpian fascism is right around the corner. Be on guard!  Also, report your co-worker for saying something approving about Dave Chappelle. It made you feel unsafe.

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  1. Hoyacon Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    When I really want to understand the pulse of America it is always illuminating to seek out the opinion of someone who hasn’t lived there for many years.

    Just wanted this to stand alone.

    And it does.  Unfortunately, it leaves out “overGaulified.”

    • #91
  2. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    We’ve failed. These were folks we should’ve embraced and supported and invested in. Instead, we became defensive and attacked them and pushed them away. They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen. I doubt very many would be willing to accept our hand if we were to offer it. Is there still room for grace and forgiveness and humility on either side?

    No, I disagree with your assessment.  They believed and told lies and aggressed against us and believed the worse against us based on the lies they were told.  I have embraced, supported and invested in too many of them only to be stabbed in the back.  They have a responsibility too not to be useful idiots.  

    • #92
  3. Franco Member
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    We’ve failed. These were folks we should’ve embraced and supported and invested in. Instead, we became defensive and attacked them and pushed them away. They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen. I doubt very many would be willing to accept our hand if we were to offer it. Is there still room for grace and forgiveness and humility on either side?

    This is absolutely the wrong way to look at the split between the America First faction and the statist/globalist faction. We went along with them, voted for their nominees (McCain, Romney) believed  people like John Boener and Paul Ryan, and went along albeit increasingly grudgingly until they began to openly betray and defy us. (John Mc Cain’s vote on ACA – a signature Republican issue that we all(?) agreed on as but one example)

    Then when a candidate came along who gave a voice to this preexisting sentiment, it became all about his unfitness.

    But then we saw their true feelings ultimately emerge. These are not people who we need to ‘win over’. They are smugly intransigent and will not take advice from people they hold in contempt. They never cared about us ordinary voters and looked down on us. That happened first

    The battleground has shifted and these folks (suddenly?) find themselves voting for Democrats and lamenting the Republican Party. This isn’t as crazy as it sounds because they were always single-issue Republicans. They gave lip service to the broader issues, but it’s clear now they always had more in common with elite centrist (globalist, corporatist) Democrats like Hillary or Joe than the ordinary Republican-leaning voter.

    Building political coalitions by being nice to people is extremely risky. The moment you stop being ‘nice’ to them, or if someone else is nicer, you lose them. Will Claire vote for Biden because people on Ricochet made a joke about her cats? What was all that education for then? Where is her credibility as a pundit?

    Besides, if being ‘nice’ politically is a useful recruiting tool, how come it doesn’t seem to run both ways? 

    • #93
  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):
    The messaging was scattershot. I don’t think he was the guy you want setting the tone when everything’s in flux, no one knows what’s around the corner, and repeatedly telling everyone “it’ll go away” sets up erroneous expectations.

    That is the rare fair criticism of Trump. In his defense, I think Trump was trying to keep the public calm and the economy open, but he was up against a Democratic-Media-Complex that was absolutely hysterical with panic porn and hated him to begin with. Even if he had kept his messaging serious and consistent, it would have been drowned out in the cacophony of “We’re all going to die! Stay tuned for details.”

    A smart Covid plan would have avoided the lockdowns except around the elderly and sick. I thought at the time a smart move would have been for the Government to lease empty big box stores (your former Kmarts, Circuit Cities, and Sports Authorities) and outfit them as Covid testing and treatment centers, leaving the hospitals open for normal operations. I mean, people were so SUPER IMPRESSED when the ChiComs built that Potempkin Hospital in four days. Even if they ended up doing as little business as those army field hospitals and Navy ships, it would have been something people could latch onto.

    Except it seems like there’s always something of a shortage of trained medical people.

    • #94
  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    I wonder what Claire means by her statement.

    She supported Joe Biden and voted for him (as I recall – could be wrong maybe), he is now enacting policies popular with the political party that he has belonged to for his entire life, so I don’t understand the crazy part. She supported a Democrat, he’s doing what Democrats do, and we’re getting what we get when Democrats win. She’s old enough to remember Carter, I think. If not, she’s well-read. Look around the world. This is leftism.

    She may mean that the right wing is out of control. If that’s the case, I agree, James, that that concern would appear to be overblown if not outright fabricated for political purposes.

    But I don’t think that’s what she means. I think she finds our lurch to the left to be crazy.

    If that’s what she means, I don’t understand her perspective. She’s getting what she voted for.

    She railed about Trump like he was the devil himself. Maybe she is in a twilight, politically speaking, thinking this new world order that is unfolding here and across the world is some sort of Enlightenment Period 2.0. The French didn’t revolt for nothing! She better look around beyond Paris, as one country after another in Europe is starting to lock down and segregate the vaccinated from the un-vaccinated, and get a clue.

    She probably thinks they have the right idea.

    • #95
  6. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    I just want to add that I miss Claire.  I’ve been around here long enough to have enjoyed her commentary, pre-Trump, and she was terrific about engaging with the members.

    I realize that she probably thinks that guys like me have turned into MAGA pod people.  From my perspective, I feel that I’ve lost a friend to TDS.

    I don’t find myself angry about this sort of thing any more.  It’s just sad.  I wish that things were otherwise.

    • #96
  7. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I just want to add that I miss Claire. I’ve been around here long enough to have enjoyed her commentary, pre-Trump, and she was terrific about engaging with the members.

    I realize that she probably thinks that guys like me have turned into MAGA pod people. From my perspective, I feel that I’ve lost a friend to TDS.

    I don’t find myself angry about this sort of thing any more. It’s just sad. I wish that things were otherwise.

    Yeah, same here. I was anybody but Trump until it was down to Trump and Kasich, then I voted for Trump because I wasn’t going to vote for the Wicked Witch of Park Ridge. Trump said stupid things, but the stuff he did was pretty good. 

    • #97
  8. WillowSpring Member
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    Franco (View Comment):
    not exactly Selena Zito, is she?

    No one else is.  Selena is great!

    • #98
  9. The Reticulator Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    We’ve failed. These were folks we should’ve embraced and supported and invested in. Instead, we became defensive and attacked them and pushed them away. They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen. I doubt very many would be willing to accept our hand if we were to offer it. Is there still room for grace and forgiveness and humility on either side?

    This is absolutely the wrong way to look at the split between the America First faction and the statist/globalist faction. We went along with them, voted for their nominees (McCain, Romney) believed people like John Boener and Paul Ryan, and went along albeit increasingly grudgingly until they began to openly betray and defy us. (John Mc Cain’s vote on ACA – a signature Republican issue that we all(?) agreed on as but one example)

    Then when a candidate came along who gave a voice to this preexisting sentiment, it became all about his unfitness.

    But then we saw their true feelings ultimately emerge. These are not people who we need to ‘win over’. They are smugly intransigent and will not take advice from people they hold in contempt. They never cared about us ordinary voters and looked down on us. That happened first.

    The battleground has shifted and these folks (suddenly?) find themselves voting for Democrats and lamenting the Republican Party. This isn’t as crazy as it sounds because they were always single-issue Republicans. They gave lip service to the broader issues, but it’s clear now they always had more in common with elite centrist (globalist, corporatist) Democrats like Hillary or Joe than the ordinary Republican-leaning voter.

    Building political coalitions by being nice to people is extremely risky. The moment you stop being ‘nice’ to them, or if someone else is nicer, you lose them. Will Claire vote for Biden because people on Ricochet made a joke about her cats? What was all that education for then? Where is her credibility as a pundit?

    Besides, if being ‘nice’ politically is a useful recruiting tool, how come it doesn’t seem to run both ways?

    Just the same, I’d wager we could discuss all the major points without bringing Claire’s cats into the discussion. 

    • #99
  10. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I just want to add that I miss Claire. I’ve been around here long enough to have enjoyed her commentary, pre-Trump, and she was terrific about engaging with the members.

    I realize that she probably thinks that guys like me have turned into MAGA pod people. From my perspective, I feel that I’ve lost a friend to TDS.

    I don’t find myself angry about this sort of thing any more. It’s just sad. I wish that things were otherwise.

    I wonder if Claire has read any of Victor Davis Hanson’s comments on Trump.

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  11. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I just want to add that I miss Claire. I’ve been around here long enough to have enjoyed her commentary, pre-Trump, and she was terrific about engaging with the members.

    I realize that she probably thinks that guys like me have turned into MAGA pod people. From my perspective, I feel that I’ve lost a friend to TDS.

    I don’t find myself angry about this sort of thing any more. It’s just sad. I wish that things were otherwise.

    I wonder if Claire has read any of Victor Davis Hanson’s comments on Trump.

    I’d like to hear her thoughts on VDH’s comments.  I’d like to hear David French’s thoughts too.  

    • #101
  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I just want to add that I miss Claire. I’ve been around here long enough to have enjoyed her commentary, pre-Trump, and she was terrific about engaging with the members.

    I realize that she probably thinks that guys like me have turned into MAGA pod people. From my perspective, I feel that I’ve lost a friend to TDS.

    I don’t find myself angry about this sort of thing any more. It’s just sad. I wish that things were otherwise.

    I wonder if Claire has read any of Victor Davis Hanson’s comments on Trump.

    I’d like to hear her thoughts on VDH’s comments. I’d like to hear David French’s thoughts too.

    Are we confident that either of them has actual thoughts any more?

    • #102
  13. Blondie Thatcher
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I just want to add that I miss Claire. I’ve been around here long enough to have enjoyed her commentary, pre-Trump, and she was terrific about engaging with the members.

    I realize that she probably thinks that guys like me have turned into MAGA pod people. From my perspective, I feel that I’ve lost a friend to TDS.

    I don’t find myself angry about this sort of thing any more. It’s just sad. I wish that things were otherwise.

    I wonder if Claire has read any of Victor Davis Hanson’s comments on Trump.

    That sort of gets to the heart of my comment (#12). VDH still lives on the farm he was raised on. He understands the common man. Folks like Claire don’t. TDS has made it abundantly clear that they never will or better yet, never wanted to. 

    • #103
  14. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    I wonder if Claire has read any of Victor Davis Hanson’s comments on Trump.

    I’d like to hear her thoughts on VDH’s comments. I’d like to hear David French’s thoughts too.

    NeverTrump is not very fond of VDH. I don’t know about Dispatchers, but when the Bulwankers launched their little blog, Sykes called out VDH specifically as someone who was too Trumpy and had to be destroyed.

    Early indication that the Bulwank was nothing but a middle school girls’ slam book.

    • #104
  15. Headedwest Coolidge
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    WillowSpring (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    not exactly Selena Zito, is she?

    No one else is. Selena is great!

    Like Salena, I grew up in western Pennsylvania so her columns almost always resonate with me because I fancy I hear a kindred spirit from a shared gritty and hard working segment of flyover country.

    Mind you, I grew up in the woods and Salena is from greater Pittsburgh. But the blue collar vibe is the same.

    Note: Believe it or not, Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”. So you could conceivably say Salena and Claire are both Parisians.

    I choose Salena.

    • #105
  16. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Blondie (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I just want to add that I miss Claire. I’ve been around here long enough to have enjoyed her commentary, pre-Trump, and she was terrific about engaging with the members.

    I realize that she probably thinks that guys like me have turned into MAGA pod people. From my perspective, I feel that I’ve lost a friend to TDS.

    I don’t find myself angry about this sort of thing any more. It’s just sad. I wish that things were otherwise.

    I wonder if Claire has read any of Victor Davis Hanson’s comments on Trump.

    That sort of gets to the heart of my comment (#12). VDH still lives on the farm he was raised on. He understands the common man. Folks like Claire don’t. TDS has made it abundantly clear that they never will or better yet, never wanted to.

    You have a point, although I’d like to point out that VDH has said that he is the only conservative in his extended family, including his siblings who grew up on that farm, and some of those relatives are strong Bernie Sanders supporters. (He said this in an interview I listened to earlier this year, so please correct me if I am misremembering any details.)

    • #106
  17. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):
    Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”

    What about Elizabethton, TN?

    We smoke almost as much as Parisians do.  Although we’re more sophisticated.  In my view…

    • #107
  18. BDB Inactive
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”

    What about Elizabethton, TN?

    We smoke almost as much as Parisians do. Although we’re more sophisticated. In my view…

    [sneering] ‘eeer is your “Pernoh-deh!”

    • #108
  19. Sisyphus Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    We’ve failed. These were folks we should’ve embraced and supported and invested in. Instead, we became defensive and attacked them and pushed them away. They are now seeing the event horizon of the slippery slope they’ve chosen. I doubt very many would be willing to accept our hand if we were to offer it. Is there still room for grace and forgiveness and humility on either side?

    This is absolutely the wrong way to look at the split between the America First faction and the statist/globalist faction. We went along with them, voted for their nominees (McCain, Romney) believed people like John Boener and Paul Ryan, and went along albeit increasingly grudgingly until they began to openly betray and defy us. (John Mc Cain’s vote on ACA – a signature Republican issue that we all(?) agreed on as but one example)

    Then when a candidate came along who gave a voice to this preexisting sentiment, it became all about his unfitness.

    But then we saw their true feelings ultimately emerge. These are not people who we need to ‘win over’. They are smugly intransigent and will not take advice from people they hold in contempt. They never cared about us ordinary voters and looked down on us. That happened first.

    The battleground has shifted and these folks (suddenly?) find themselves voting for Democrats and lamenting the Republican Party. This isn’t as crazy as it sounds because they were always single-issue Republicans. They gave lip service to the broader issues, but it’s clear now they always had more in common with elite centrist (globalist, corporatist) Democrats like Hillary or Joe than the ordinary Republican-leaning voter.

    Building political coalitions by being nice to people is extremely risky. The moment you stop being ‘nice’ to them, or if someone else is nicer, you lose them. Will Claire vote for Biden because people on Ricochet made a joke about her cats? What was all that education for then? Where is her credibility as a pundit?

    Besides, if being ‘nice’ politically is a useful recruiting tool, how come it doesn’t seem to run both ways?

    Just the same, I’d wager we could discuss all the major points without bringing Claire’s cats into the discussion.

    But why would we.

    • #109
  20. Flicker Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”

    What about Elizabethton, TN?

    We smoke almost as much as Parisians do. Although we’re more sophisticated. In my view…

    [sneering] ‘eeer is your “Pernoh-deh!”

    I think I remember that movie.

    • #110
  21. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):
    Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”

    What about Elizabethton, TN?

    Does Elizabethton look like this at night?

    • #111
  22. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Here is a fairly recent video. If you have the interest and patience to watch, you can decide if she still makes as much sense as she did eleven years ago in her interview with some guy named Peter Robinson. 

    • #112
  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Here is a fairly recent video. If you have the interest and patience to watch, you can decide if she still makes as much sense as she did eleven years ago in her interview with some guy named Peter Robinson.

     

    Wow, she has not aged well.

    • #113
  24. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
    Early indication that the Bulwank was nothing but a middle school girls’ slam book.

    • #114
  25. Django Member
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    @Django

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Here is a fairly recent video. If you have the interest and patience to watch, you can decide if she still makes as much sense as she did eleven years ago in her interview with some guy named Peter Robinson.

     

    Wow, she has not aged well.

    Ten years will improve hardly anything except Scotch and Bourbon, and then only under ideal conditions. 

    • #115
  26. The Reticulator Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Just the same, I’d wager we could discuss all the major points without bringing Claire’s cats into the discussion.

    But why would we.

    To keep it from getting overly personal. 

    • #116
  27. Sisyphus Member
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    @Sisyphus

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Just the same, I’d wager we could discuss all the major points without bringing Claire’s cats into the discussion.

    But why would we.

    To keep it from getting overly personal.

    Talking about her cats humanizes her. Talking about her policy positions, not so much.

    • #117
  28. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Just the same, I’d wager we could discuss all the major points without bringing Claire’s cats into the discussion.

    But why would we.

    To keep it from getting overly personal.

    Talking about her cats humanizes her. Talking about her policy positions, not so much.

    Depending on the tone, one can make her sound like the stereotypical crazy cat lady, and that does no good at all. 

    • #118
  29. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    @CarolJoy

    Chris O (View Comment):

    Superb, but a lot of /sarc and /snark indicators missing for the humorless twitterverse.

    Claire, et al, we’re feeling the pinch of inflation everywhere. This differs from Twitter worries which are largely luxury. No, for the first time in a long time everyone is feeling the cold fingers of government overreach, overreaction, and incompetence.

    Feel a disconnect? Send ten percent (roughly) of your income to me and adjust your budget accordingly.

    We’re also worried about our children and their life skills development. That is where the school board conversation starts, because a number of people decided it was more important to teach them they weren’t worth a spit. Somehow, they found a way to belittle both victim (“you only made it this far because they let you!”) and bully, for lack of a better word (“Racist! Supremacist!”).

    Oh, yeah, and the Covid horse manure. Seems to me the same questions are asked everywhere, particularly in Europe with its numerous protests. Want to place your concern where it counts? Tweet a bit about Australia, unless you support what is happening there.

    Hey, but no mean tweets, okay?

    Oh Chris O, you have missed one of the more revelatory comments from The Left relating to inflation and its impact on grocery prices.

    Over the weekend, the liberals let Americans know that according to a recent study, we all, each and everyone of us, throw out 25% of the food we buy.

    This not only shows how Americans can afford that 10% increase we might see those concerned about Climate Change will soon  be insisting on. (I would much rather send that ten percent to you.)

    How those on the Left think giving the government money will end problems with carbon dioxide, I couldn’t tell you.

    But now that we all know we throw away 25% of the food we buy, we might be able to  afford grocery prices increases up to 25% more than we paid last year. Any  food we can no longer afford would have simply been food we would have thrown away.

    • #119
  30. Judge Mental Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Note: Believe it or not, Pittsburgh has been called “The Paris of the Appalachians”.

     

    Compared to what?  Wheeling?

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