Normalizing Pedophilia

 

After studying the trend toward corrupting our children with transgender propaganda, I didn’t think there was a way to intensify my outrage about the distortions of gender and sexuality in this country.

I was wrong.

We have a queer (his own label) human being, Allyn Walker, who is an assistant professor at Old Dominion University, who has decided to reduce the incriminations against people who “like children,” but have shown restraint in their own behavior. He is proposing that pedophiles not be labeled so negatively, and that the term, “minor attracting persons” (MAPS) be used instead:

Walker is the author of the book ‘A Long, Dark Shadow: Minor Attracted People and Their Pursuit of Dignity,’ which challenges ‘widespread assumptions that persons who are preferentially attracted to minors—often referred to as ‘pedophiles’—are necessarily also predators and sex offenders, this book takes readers into the lives of non-offending minor-attracted persons (MAPs).’

I find this effort unconscionable. And yet in these days where every norm is subject to distortions, condemnation, and irreverence, we shouldn’t be surprised. Our world of right and wrong, good and bad, moral and immoral has been turned upside down, and too many people now believe that any people who are “oppressed” are entitled to special treatment.

But they are not.

Spencer Lindquist who wrote the linked article in the Federalist made this powerful point:

Yet again we witness an instance of the left siding with the oppressor while pretending to advocate for the victim, this time under the guise of academic inquiry. One has to wonder if Walker has ever considered that our sympathies should lie not with pedophiles who don’t appreciate being called what they are but instead with their victims. Walker’s book intends to help pedophiles pursue dignity. How does a child robbed of his or her innocence pursue his or her sense of dignity?

The magnitude of the problem is not well understood. In addition, the long-term effects on children are staggering. And then there are the international organizations that have been openly supporting child sexual abuse.

There has been a petition posted, protesting this professor’s actions and calling for him to be fired. Given the times, I’m not hopeful for dismissal; to date, 1,500 people have signed.

Old Dominion University released the following statement regarding Walker:

An academic community plays a valuable role in the quest for knowledge. A vital part of this is being willing to consider scientific and other empirical data that may involve controversial issues and perspectives. Following a recent interview that gained national attention, Dr. Allyn Walker has released the following statement.

‘I want to be clear: child sexual abuse is an inexcusable crime. As an assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice, the goal of my research is to prevent crime. My work is informed by my past experience and advocacy as a social worker counseling victims. I embarked on this research in hopes of gaining understanding of a group that, previously, has not been studied in order to identify ways to protect children.’

Following recent social media activity and direct outreach to the institution, it is important to share that Old Dominion, as a caring and inclusive community, does not endorse or promote crimes against children or any form of criminal activity.

I expect that everyone will be reassured by the ODU statement.

The ongoing efforts to ruin the lives of our children are exhausting, and I see no end in sight. The effort to normalize pedophilia in any way is repugnant. We can only hope that someday, some time, wisdom prevails.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Susan Quinn: We can only hope that someday, some time, wisdom prevails.

    Maybe when the new civilization arises from the ashes of what we have let die.

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  2. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    How nauseating.  

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  3. Percival Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn: ‘I want to be clear: child sexual abuse is an inexcusable crime. As an assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice, the goal of my research is to prevent crime. My work is informed by my past experience and advocacy as a social worker counseling victims. I embarked on this research in hopes of gaining understanding of a group that, previously, has not been studied in order to identify ways to protect children.’

    Maybe I can help.

    1. catch the criminals.
    2. lock them up.

    Let’s run with that for a while.

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  4. James Salerno Coolidge
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    This could have been predicted. Once we allowed gay marriage, we were told those warning against the slippery slope were a bunch of kooks, then the next day, the ability to choose your bathroom and gender is a major presidential debate topic. This is the next step. They will normalize pedophilia in a generation.

    The slippery slope people were always right. Progressivism. Never. Stops.

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  5. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn: My work is informed by my past experience

    Sounds like someone likely was abused was attractive to an older man at an early age 

     

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  6. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My work is informed by my past experience

    Sounds like someone likely was abused was attractive to an older man at an early age

    The way you quoted that line, I just want people to be clear that the professor said that, not me!

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  7. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My work is informed by my past experience

    Sounds like someone likely was abused was attractive to an older man at an early age

     

    The way you quoted that line, I just people to be clear that the professor said that, not me!

    lol, I see, it does look like that.  I was confused by a Kozak comment on another post, which gave the appearance that he was quoting Gary, when in fact he was quoting himself.  need more coffee… 

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  8. Old Bathos Moderator
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    We should start a rumor that he founded Minor Attracted People for Trump… A casual remark about climate change, sex, sexuality or a libertarian view of taxes and regulation is enough to be suspected, hunted, fired.  But advocating tolerance for pedophilia is OK and a triumph of free inquiry. Wow!

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    We should start a rumor that he founded Minor Attracted People for Trump… A casual remark about climate change, sex, sexuality or a libertarian view of taxes and regulation is enough to be suspected, hunted, fired. But advocating tolerance for pedophilia is OK and a triumph of free inquiry. Wow!

    I feel like crying, but if I start, I may never stop. . . 

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  10. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    One thing that drives me nuts about “his” research is that he thinks that people who are attracted to children have a way to keep themselves from abusing them. I refuse to buy his book, but I’m trying to figure out what makes him think that (1) these people are actually non-offending pedophiles, (2) that they can control “their attraction” indefinitely, (3) there is something that can be passed on to other non-offending pedophiles that would help keep them from offending. Maybe therapy? I have to see how effective therapy is with these people . . . 

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  11. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    By the way, you don’t have to abuse a child to be a pedophile (from PsychCentral)

    According to the DSM-5-TR, the criteria to diagnose Pedophilia is defined as recurrent experiences of intense sexual arousal, fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children, usually under the age of 14.

    The person must be at least 16 years of age and five years older than the child or children with whom he has these experiences or feelings towards. A person in late adolescence involved in a long term sexual relationship with a 12 or 13 year old is not included in this category (American Psychiatric Association, 2000). The disorder of pedophilia has been found almost exclusively in males.

     

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  12. BDB Coolidge
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    “But there is no slippery slope!”

     

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  13. BDB Coolidge
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    By the way, this is not an isolated thing.  This MAP garbage has been in traffic for years, as such.

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  14. kedavis Member
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    Psst.  Bad words.

     

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  15. Stina Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    One thing that drives me nuts about “his” research is that he thinks that people who are attracted to children have a way to keep themselves from abusing them. I refuse to buy his book, but I’m trying to figure out what makes him think that (1) these people are actually non-offending pedophiles, (2) that they can control “their attraction” indefinitely, (3) there is something that can be passed on to other non-offending pedophiles that would help keep them from offending. Maybe therapy? I have to see how effective therapy is with these people . . .

    I used to watch Gray’s Anatomy until it jumped the shark with transgender crap. There had been a relatively early episode where a man had been brought in for self mutilation of his genitals. He wanted them to chemically castrate him and they refused. Even after he told them he was attracted to children and he wanted the feelings to go away, they refused.

    But chemically castrating kids was a-ok.

    Just very odd, perverse, and contradictory moral judgements going on in that show.

    I pitied the character (he walked in front of a bus by the end of the episode) who had these foul attractions and was trying to rid himself of them…

    I get the idea behind this professor’s work, but I’m thinking we are on far more solid ground in keeping the boundary of our disgust intact.

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  16. Flicker Coolidge
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    This could have been predicted. Once we allowed gay marriage, we were told those warning against the slippery slope were a bunch of kooks, then the next day, the ability to choose your bathroom and gender is a major presidential debate topic. This is the next step. They will normalize pedophilia in a generation.

    The slippery slope people were always right. Progressivism. Never. Stops.

    The slippery slope is greased daily.

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  17. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    https://www.nambla.org/

    these folk have been around since I was a kid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pedophile_advocacy_organizations#International

     

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  18. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    https://www.nambla.org/

    these folk have been around since I was a kid.

    There are several more international organizations if you follow the wikikpedia link.

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My work is informed by my past experience

    Sounds like someone likely was abused was attractive to an older man at an early age

    She’s still attractive now.  Or do I get her sex wrong?

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  20. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    https://www.nambla.org/

    these folk have been around since I was a kid.

    There are several more international organizations if you follow the wikikpedia link.

    Yes, I was around for the creation of the internet.  These kinks and perverts have been living there for quite a while.  Most gay men I know are really into boy sex.  Milo Yiannopoulos got into a bit of trouble bringing up this connection.  

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  21. Henry Racette Contributor
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    Susan,

    This is the kind of topic that it’s almost impossible to actually discuss without things spiraling out of control.

    Normal human sexual attraction is heterosexual. The vast majority of humans experience that as their overwhelmingly primary, and often only, sexual attraction. There’s ample evidence to believe that this is largely determined by biology — specifically, by testosterone levels during prenatal development. Males who experience low levels of testosterone while in the womb are much more likely to experience same-sex attraction as adults; similarly, females who experience high levels of testosterone while in the womb are more likely to experience same-sex attraction as adults.

    The point being that same-sex attraction, while not normal (nor as common as Hollywood would like us to believe), is nonetheless driven by biology. Whatever one thinks of homosexual behavior, I think any moderately reflective person should accept that the attraction experienced by homosexual people is real, and no more a choice for them than is heterosexual attraction for the rest of us. Condemning people for feeling something seems, to me, unreasonable.

    Which brings us to the ugly topic of your post. Research suggests that a strong sexual attraction to children is rare, but not extraordinarily so: it may afflict one or two percent of the adult male population. I don’t know what the research says about possible biological causes for this attraction, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is eventually traced to developmental abnormalities similar or analogous to those experienced by people who feel same-sex attraction.

    So here’s where it gets challenging for people who bother to think about biology and the feelings people may experience despite perhaps wishing that they did not.

    I think it is essential that we criminalize and stigmatize the expression of any adult sexual interest in children. This includes both acting on that interest and catering to it through pornography. It gets difficult when discussing literature (a la Lolita), given our strong protection of free expression: we can stigmatize it, but probably not criminalize it (nor, I think, should we).

    The challenge is in deciding whether or not to feel compassion for people afflicted, against their own will, with a desire that is itself repellant to normal people, and that must be suppressed and, if expressed, punished severely. The second, perhaps greater, challenge is figuring out how to express that compassion without in any way appearing to condone, excuse, or encourage any expression of that desire.

    Having said all that: I’ve known one pedophile. He’s a sociopathic monster, a man who plunged his family into a nightmare it’s taken them a decade to escape. I’m not one for disappearing people, but I do have a small list, and his is the only name on it. Homosexuality give me no qualms at all, but I don’t know how compassion can be provided to people who suffer the particular deformity of pedophilia. It seems cruel to me not to consider it, but I’m not confident that there’s any resolution.

    I do think that “pedophilia” should remain the term in popular use, with all the stigma that deserves and brings.

     

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  22. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My work is informed by my past experience

    Sounds like someone likely was abused was attractive to an older man at an early age

    She’s still attractive now. Or do I get her sex wrong?

    Which “she” are you talking about? If it’s the professor, I believe “they” are a “he.”

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  23. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    James Salerno (View Comment):
    This could have been predicted. Once we allowed gay marriage, we were told those warning against the slippery slope were a bunch of kooks, then the next day, the ability to choose your bathroom and gender is a major presidential debate topic

    The slope was greased long before gay marriage, and it were heterosexuals what slathered the Crisco. The sexual revolution of the 1960s was primarily a heterosexual phenomenon. That revolution begat easy, no-fault divorces; recreational sex as a norm; the stigmatization of chastity; fat chicks with tattoos; and the mainstreaming of pronography. I still believe if marriage still carried with it a universal expectation of monogamy and commitment, teh gheys would never have wanted anything to do with it. 

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  24. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    What a juicy comment, Hank!

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I think it is essential that we criminalize and stigmatize the expression of any adult sexual interest in children. This includes both acting on that interest and catering to it through pornography.

    I agree. Whether it is mental/emotional/biological, it is unacceptable.

    Your question about compassion is a great one. I don’t have a clear-cut answer. I have compassion for a pedophile who doesn’t indulge the behavior–a victimless crime? But I don’t think I have compassion once a person commits the crime, and certainly not if he does it more than once. I can hope for his healing, but I think that’s as far as I could go. 

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  25. Flicker Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My work is informed by my past experience

    Sounds like someone likely was abused was attractive to an older man at an early age

    She’s still attractive now. Or do I get her sex wrong?

    Which “she” are you talking about? If it’s the professor, I believe “they” are a “he.”

    Oh.  No, I was talking about the woman you have pictured in your post.  I assumed she was the professor involved.

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  26. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My work is informed by my past experience

    Sounds like someone likely was abused was attractive to an older man at an early age

    She’s still attractive now. Or do I get her sex wrong?

    Which “she” are you talking about? If it’s the professor, I believe “they” are a “he.”

    Oh. No, I was talking about the woman you have pictured in your post. I assumed she was the professor involved.

    He is.

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  27. Old Bathos Moderator
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Which brings us to the ugly topic of your post. Research suggests that a strong sexual attraction to children is rare, but not extraordinarily so: it may afflict one or two percent of the adult male population. I don’t know what the research says about possible biological causes for this attraction, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is eventually traced to developmental abnormalities similar or analogous to those experienced by people who feel same-sex attraction.

    I doubt it’s as high as 1 – 2 % except among UN aid workers where is it probably closer to 10%.   

    The Archdiocese of Boston spent a ton on psychiatrists for a handful of pedophile priests according to the formal investigative report on that disaster and there were no cures.  The compulsion seems wired.  There is no fixed, known causal profile. They just can’t be allowed out and about.

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  28. Kozak Member
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    Holy cow has that slope been slippery.

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  29. Kozak Member
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    By the way.

    Pedophilia is like an infectious disease.  Almost 100% of pedophiles were abused as children.

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  30. Henry Racette Contributor
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Which brings us to the ugly topic of your post. Research suggests that a strong sexual attraction to children is rare, but not extraordinarily so: it may afflict one or two percent of the adult male population. I don’t know what the research says about possible biological causes for this attraction, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is eventually traced to developmental abnormalities similar or analogous to those experienced by people who feel same-sex attraction.

    I doubt it’s as high as 1 – 2 % except among UN aid workers where is it probably closer to 10%.

    The Archdiocese of Boston spent a ton on psychiatrists for a handful of pedophile priests according to the formal investigative report on that disaster and there were no cures. The compulsion seems wired. There is no fixed, known causal profile. They just can’t be allowed out and about.

    I’d like to agree with you, and you could easily be correct. My quick survey of the stats (which are probably politically biased) suggested a plausible low number of 1% — excluding men who candidly expressed an interest but who preferred adults: include them, and it went up to about 4%, similar to what is probably the approximate rate of homosexuality.

    I’d like to believe that it is extraordinarily rare. Unfortunately, I think the frequency with which children are sexually abused suggests that it might not be.

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