Normalizing Pedophilia

 

After studying the trend toward corrupting our children with transgender propaganda, I didn’t think there was a way to intensify my outrage about the distortions of gender and sexuality in this country.

I was wrong.

We have a queer (his own label) human being, Allyn Walker, who is an assistant professor at Old Dominion University, who has decided to reduce the incriminations against people who “like children,” but have shown restraint in their own behavior. He is proposing that pedophiles not be labeled so negatively, and that the term, “minor attracting persons” (MAPS) be used instead:

Walker is the author of the book ‘A Long, Dark Shadow: Minor Attracted People and Their Pursuit of Dignity,’ which challenges ‘widespread assumptions that persons who are preferentially attracted to minors—often referred to as ‘pedophiles’—are necessarily also predators and sex offenders, this book takes readers into the lives of non-offending minor-attracted persons (MAPs).’

I find this effort unconscionable. And yet in these days where every norm is subject to distortions, condemnation, and irreverence, we shouldn’t be surprised. Our world of right and wrong, good and bad, moral and immoral has been turned upside down, and too many people now believe that any people who are “oppressed” are entitled to special treatment.

But they are not.

Spencer Lindquist who wrote the linked article in the Federalist made this powerful point:

Yet again we witness an instance of the left siding with the oppressor while pretending to advocate for the victim, this time under the guise of academic inquiry. One has to wonder if Walker has ever considered that our sympathies should lie not with pedophiles who don’t appreciate being called what they are but instead with their victims. Walker’s book intends to help pedophiles pursue dignity. How does a child robbed of his or her innocence pursue his or her sense of dignity?

The magnitude of the problem is not well understood. In addition, the long-term effects on children are staggering. And then there are the international organizations that have been openly supporting child sexual abuse.

There has been a petition posted, protesting this professor’s actions and calling for him to be fired. Given the times, I’m not hopeful for dismissal; to date, 1,500 people have signed.

Old Dominion University released the following statement regarding Walker:

An academic community plays a valuable role in the quest for knowledge. A vital part of this is being willing to consider scientific and other empirical data that may involve controversial issues and perspectives. Following a recent interview that gained national attention, Dr. Allyn Walker has released the following statement.

‘I want to be clear: child sexual abuse is an inexcusable crime. As an assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice, the goal of my research is to prevent crime. My work is informed by my past experience and advocacy as a social worker counseling victims. I embarked on this research in hopes of gaining understanding of a group that, previously, has not been studied in order to identify ways to protect children.’

Following recent social media activity and direct outreach to the institution, it is important to share that Old Dominion, as a caring and inclusive community, does not endorse or promote crimes against children or any form of criminal activity.

I expect that everyone will be reassured by the ODU statement.

The ongoing efforts to ruin the lives of our children are exhausting, and I see no end in sight. The effort to normalize pedophilia in any way is repugnant. We can only hope that someday, some time, wisdom prevails.

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  1. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Are fathers the ones who usually sexually abuse boys? I hadn’t ever heard that. I read that it was usually a close friend of the family or a trusted professional.

    You are correct, I believe. But almost all pedophiles are males.

    Maybe but I also think that is a society thing.  There seems to be a fair amount of the other way with female teachers and young boys.  But when it happens it seems to be swept under the carpet.  Especially in schools.  

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Are there really any conclusive correlative studies that demonstrate that maternal sex hormones influence fetal sex drives? I’ve read for decades articles speculating this as a cause but, before the normalization of homosexuality, homosexuals argued against this stating that this concept would make homosexuality a disorder. And consequently I’ve never read of any corroborating studies (though I haven’t been paying close attention for a few years).

    Is this science, or an accepted pop-biology scientific myth?

    Even if homosexuality is genetic, it’s still a disorder: a genetic disorder.  Not like there’s only one.

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  3. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    The point being that same-sex attraction, while not normal (nor as common as Hollywood would like us to believe), is nonetheless driven by biology. Whatever one thinks of homosexual behavior, I think any moderately reflective person should accept that the attraction experienced by homosexual people is real, and no more a choice for them than is heterosexual attraction for the rest of us. Condemning people for feeling something seems, to me, unreasonable.

    I would be more sanguine about this assertion if it was also acknowledged by the “born this way” crowd that it is also MADE through abuse (both psychological and physical) and trauma.

    Stina, I’m sure that’s true as well, though I think the evidence for a biological basis is pretty strong.

    In any discussion of human behavior, it’s appropriate to include words like “usually,” “with exceptions,” etc. Because there are exceptions to pretty much everything. It’s just tedious to say it over and over, so I hope people understand that one can speak in generalities as long as they don’t mischaracterize what is and isn’t common, normal, etc.

    Ask any counselor who’s dealt with these individuals and they will tell you that the universal shared characteristic of the homosexual or sexually perverse is early childhood (usually sexual) trauma.  There’s nothing hardwired about homosexuality except to say that the normal human propensity is toward pleasure, and absent moral instruction we go with whatever feels good at the time. 

    Adults who are sexually attracted to children are sick. They need therapy to get their minds healthy before they become dangerous sexual predators. 

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  4. Zafar Member
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    Prediction: this person will be arrested within the next five years.

    During that time he may team up with Milo in some scam project.

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  5. Henry Racette Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Are there really any conclusive correlative studies that demonstrate that maternal sex hormones influence fetal sex drives?

    “Conclusive” is a loaded word in the context of science, where everything is always open to challenge.

    But the short answer is: yes. There’s a lot of research in prenatal and childhood endocrinology that supports the claim that testosterone exposure in utero is a strong predictor of adult heterosexuality/homosexuality.

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  6. Henry Racette Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Ask any counselor who’s dealt with these individuals and they will tell you that the universal shared characteristic of the homosexual or sexually perverse is early childhood (usually sexual) trauma.

    I suspect that isn’t true.

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  7. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Susan Quinn: In addition, the long-term effects on children are staggering. And then there are the international organizations that have been openly supporting child sexual abuse.

    Sexual exploitation of minors is not a niche characteristic of a few leftists, it’s a main goal. The leftist who don’t openly advocate for it, passively support it through their elected officials and entertainment choices. Anyone who voted for, or ran interference for Joe Biden turned a blind eye to his overt pedophilia. 

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  8. Stina Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    In any discussion of human behavior, it’s appropriate to include words like “usually,” “with exceptions,” etc. Because there are exceptions to pretty much everything. It’s just tedious to say it over and over, so I hope people understand that one can speak in generalities as long as they don’t mischaracterize what is and isn’t common, normal, etc.

    Oh look at you. The numbers support MADE over genetic, so if we are talking generalities, MADE is more correct.

    The Kinsey Studies and the sexual inhibition studies from that incredibly perverse German university in the 60s (or wax it earlier? Huxley has references to it in ABN) proved that the earlier children are exposed to sex, the fewer inhibitions they have. It is sexual imprinting. If the first sexual experience is a homosexual one, they are more likely to imprint that way.It’s another reason why I’m so insistent that children should be predominately exposed to healthy (non sexual) heterosexual relationships – because it imprints on them.

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  9. Stina Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Prediction: this person will be arrested within the next five years.

    During that time he may team up with Milo in some scam project.

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/milo-yiannopoulos-announces-he-is-ex-gay-and-sodomy-free/

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Ask any counselor who’s dealt with these individuals and they will tell you that the universal shared characteristic of the homosexual or sexually perverse is early childhood (usually sexual) trauma.

    I suspect that isn’t true.

    I’ve spoken with many trauma counselors about it, many are friends. It’s also true for the homosexual friends I’ve known who’ve opened up about it, and I’ve known many.

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    Stina (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Prediction: this person will be arrested within the next five years.

    During that time he may team up with Milo in some scam project.

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/milo-yiannopoulos-announces-he-is-ex-gay-and-sodomy-free/

    Yes, he also reports that dogs no longer bark at him. Truly a wonder.

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  12. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Maybe but I also think that is a society thing.  There seems to be a fair amount of the other way with female teachers and young boys.  But when it happens it seems to be swept under the carpet.  Especially in schools.  

    I think it gets sensationalized because it’s so rare compared to men and boys.

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  13. Flicker Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I guess it’s a matter of terminology, Susan. My thinking is that real neurological changes can occur during development and persist throughout life, and that not all of those changes are genetic, nor prenatal. I’m happy to accept “hardwired” as purely genetic, but then I guess I’ll want another term for things that are more than culturally conditioned but less than genetically determined.

    I apologize. The dictionary definition is “genetic or innate.”

    Hard-wiring of the brain is only an idiom.  As such it’s definition can only be suggestive.

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    Stina (View Comment):

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    Flicker (View Comment):

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    Susan Quinn: My work is informed by my past experience

    Sounds like someone likely was abused was attractive to an older man at an early age

    She’s still attractive now. Or do I get her sex wrong?

    Which “she” are you talking about? If it’s the professor, I believe “they” are a “he.”

    Oh. No, I was talking about the woman you have pictured in your post. I assumed she was the professor involved.

    He is.

    Definitely a she however she identifies.

    Which brings me to my second immediate question back when I first saw the article.  What are her sexual preferences and how do they affect her research?

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  15. Zafar Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Maybe but I also think that is a society thing. There seems to be a fair amount of the other way with female teachers and young boys. But when it happens it seems to be swept under the carpet. Especially in schools.

    I think it gets sensationalized because it’s so rare compared to men and boys.

    At some level we expect males to experience it differently from females – for it to be less traumatising and more likely to be a good experience. (I think incorrectly.) Stems from how we see men and women.

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  16. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Camille Paglia, feminist and transgender, has claimed that every gay person she has known has had some sort of trauma in his/her life.

    https://www.voiceofthevoiceless.info/lesbian-feminist-camille-paglia-sexual-orientation-is-fluid-and-can-change

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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Which brings me to my second immediate question back when I first saw the article.  What are her sexual preferences and how do they affect her research?

    I don’t know. She may a cover this in her book.

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  18. Zafar Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Ask any counselor who’s dealt with these individuals and they will tell you that the universal shared characteristic of the homosexual or sexually perverse is early childhood (usually sexual) trauma.

    I suspect that isn’t true.

    I’ve spoken with many trauma counselors about it, many are friends. It’s also true for the homosexual friends I’ve known who’ve opened up about it, and I’ve known many.

    Does anybody remember Anne McCaffrey? Wrote books about dragons set on a planet called Pern.

    She had this to say in a moon bat interview (page not CoC compliant):

    It’s a proven fact that a single anal sex experience causes one to be homosexual. The hormones released by a sexual situation involving the anus being broached, are the same hormones found in large quantities in effeminate homosexual males. For example, when I was much younger I knew a young man who was for all intents and purposes, heterosexual. He was mugged, and involved in a rape situation involving a tent peg. This one event was enough to have him start on a road that eventually led to him becoming effeminate and gay.

    It’s not my fault, the tent peg made me gay.

    It’s science!

     

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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Prediction: this person will be arrested within the next five years.

    I agree with your arrest prediction — astute.

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  20. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Maybe but I also think that is a society thing. There seems to be a fair amount of the other way with female teachers and young boys. But when it happens it seems to be swept under the carpet. Especially in schools.

    I think it gets sensationalized because it’s so rare compared to men and boys.

    I think differently.  I am familiar with at least 3 cases that got no news play.  Dealt with as a in house matter with the teach placed elsewhere in the system.  I suspect it is more than we think just not a “news” store.  Not many think a boy losing his virginity to a woman as a “big deal” and of course no public school system wants that stuff getting out.  

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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Camille Paglia, feminist and transgender, has claimed that every gay person she has known has had some sort of traumat in his/her life.

    https://www.voiceofthevoiceless.info/lesbian-feminist-camille-paglia-sexual-orientation-is-fluid-and-can-change

     

    CP is TG?  Is that new?

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  22. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Are there really any conclusive correlative studies that demonstrate that maternal sex hormones influence fetal sex drives? I’ve read for decades articles speculating this as a cause but, before the normalization of homosexuality, homosexuals argued against this stating that this concept would make homosexuality a disorder. And consequently I’ve never read of any corroborating studies (though I haven’t been paying close attention for a few years).

    Is this science, or an accepted pop-biology scientific myth?

    Even if homosexuality is genetic, it’s still a disorder: a genetic disorder. Not like there’s only one.

    But I’m serious.  This is to my understanding just a suggestion without any human studies to support it.  Even if it’s demonstrated in mice, would they be using a protocol that increases male hormone levels to the level that it’s speculated to be in pregnant human mothers, or even demonstrated to be in pregnant human mothers (though I really doubt any data exists for this)?  We know that the forming baby in utero controls the production and secretion of sex hormones: what is going on in utero that produces this effect?  And at what stage of the baby’s development is it significant?

    Is there really science on this?  Or has everyone been snookered?  Like any other highly politicized science, for example Global Warming.

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Are there really any conclusive correlative studies that demonstrate that maternal sex hormones influence fetal sex drives?

    “Conclusive” is a loaded word in the context of science, where everything is always open to challenge.

    But the short answer is: yes. There’s a lot of research in prenatal and childhood endocrinology that supports the claim that testosterone exposure in utero is a strong predictor of adult heterosexuality/homosexuality.

    That’s why I didn’t say “proven”.  “Supports” is equally out of place; supporting a hypothesis is in no way even correlative.

    Anyway, are these studies of actual human endocrinology studying actual babies in utero and following up 20 years later?  Because I’d be interested to read them.

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  24. Henry Racette Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    The numbers support MADE over genetic, so if we are talking generalities, MADE is more correct.

    Ah. Well, you could be correct. As it happens, the studies with which I’m familiar focus on hormonal abnormalities and their effects. And I admit that I don’t give a lot of credence to the Kinsey studies, which I think are generally considered methodologically dicey. (Among other things, I think Kinsey wildly overstated the prevalence of homosexuality.)

    In your earlier comment (#49) you defined “made” as the result of abuse or trauma. While I suspect that that’s sometimes true, and particularly in the case of less common sexual disorders such as pedophilia, I’m not confident that it’s predominantly true in the case of human homosexuality. Perhaps I’ll get around to reading the literature on the topic more broadly.


    While the topic of the post is specifically pedophilia, I find the topic of homosexuality much more interesting. I share the general revulsion to pedophilia, as well as the conviction that it must remain strongly criminalized and stigmatized. I may be an outlier on Ricochet in my opinions about homosexuality, which I think is an abnormal but fairly common human sexual preference (again, somewhere in the sub-5% range), one which I believe should be tolerated and accepted without social stigma. (I do not think it should be protected, per se: a lot of homosexual behavior is ridiculously exaggerated and legitimate fodder for humor, in my opinion. One need only attend a “pride” event at a bar to reach that conclusion.)

    In other words, I think pedophilia and homosexuality are apples and oranges in many important respects, whatever may be their similarities in terms of formative causes.

     

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  25. Flicker Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    In any discussion of human behavior, it’s appropriate to include words like “usually,” “with exceptions,” etc. Because there are exceptions to pretty much everything. It’s just tedious to say it over and over, so I hope people understand that one can speak in generalities as long as they don’t mischaracterize what is and isn’t common, normal, etc.

    Oh look at you. The numbers support MADE over genetic, so if we are talking generalities, MADE is more correct.

    The Kinsey Studies and the sexual inhibition studies from that incredibly perverse German university in the 60s (or wax it earlier? Huxley has references to it in ABN) proved that the earlier children are exposed to sex, the fewer inhibitions they have. It is sexual imprinting. If the first sexual experience is a homosexual one, they are more likely to imprint that way.It’s another reason why I’m so insistent that children should be predominately exposed to healthy (non sexual) heterosexual relationships – because it imprints on them.

    I was wondering when someone was going to bring up Kinsey.  You won.

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  26. Henry Racette Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Ask any counselor who’s dealt with these individuals and they will tell you that the universal shared characteristic of the homosexual or sexually perverse is early childhood (usually sexual) trauma.

    I suspect that isn’t true.

    I’ve spoken with many trauma counselors about it, many are friends.

    Is it possible that “trauma counselors” might be dealing with a subset of the homosexual population that is particularly likely to have experienced… trauma… and so may not necessarily be representative?

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I do think that “pedophilia” should remain the term in popular use, with all the stigma that deserves and brings.

    Amen!

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Prediction: this person will be arrested within the next five years.

    During that time he may team up with Milo in some scam project.

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/milo-yiannopoulos-announces-he-is-ex-gay-and-sodomy-free/

    He probably knows this and was making a sarcastic remark.  Though I’m not really good at detecting sarcasm.

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  29. Stina Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Maybe but I also think that is a society thing. There seems to be a fair amount of the other way with female teachers and young boys. But when it happens it seems to be swept under the carpet. Especially in schools.

    I think it gets sensationalized because it’s so rare compared to men and boys.

    At some level we expect males to experience it differently from females – for it to be less traumatising and more likely to be a good experience. (I think incorrectly.) Stems from how we see men and women.

    I think, for post-pubescent boys, the historical treatment of cougars and the allure for boys was sexual experience without the risk of supporting a bastard. Whether it was a prostitute or a married woman who’s begat bastard could be passed off as her husband’s offspring, older women are a chance at less risky sexual experience where virginal daughters are off limits until the wedding bells ring.

    As a culture thing, it’s been going on for hundreds of years.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Are there really any conclusive correlative studies that demonstrate that maternal sex hormones influence fetal sex drives? I’ve read for decades articles speculating this as a cause but, before the normalization of homosexuality, homosexuals argued against this stating that this concept would make homosexuality a disorder. And consequently I’ve never read of any corroborating studies (though I haven’t been paying close attention for a few years).

    Is this science, or an accepted pop-biology scientific myth?

    Even if homosexuality is genetic, it’s still a disorder: a genetic disorder. Not like there’s only one.

    But I’m serious. This is to my understanding just a suggestion without any human studies to support it. Even if it’s demonstrated in mice, would they be using a protocol that increases male hormone levels to the level that it’s speculated to be in pregnant human mothers, or even demonstrated to be in pregnant human mothers (though I really doubt any data exists for this)? We know that the forming baby in utero controls the production and secretion of sex hormones: what is going on in utero that produces this effect? And at what stage of the baby’s development is it significant?

    Is there really science on this? Or has everyone been snookered? Like any other highly politicized science, for example Global Warming.

    Well, the main point to me at least is that it doesn’t matter whether the disorder is caused by genetics or in-utero hormones.  It’s not some kind of A-OK “born that way” if it’s genetic and a “disorder” only if it comes from in-utero hormones or something else.  No matter what the cause, it’s a disorder.

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