13 Republican Congressmen Save Pelosi, Biden on $1.2T Infrastructure Vote

 

Six Democrats voted against the $1.2 trillion Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan (BIF) late Friday night, which should have killed the legislation. Instead, 13 Republicans rode to Nancy Pelosi’s rescue and voted yes. The BIF passed the Senate nearly two months ago, so the legislation will head straight to the White House for the President’s signature.

Here are the Republicans for Pelosi:

  • Rep. Don Bacon (R–NE)
  • Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R–PA)
  • Rep. Andrew Garbarino (R–NY)
  • Rep. Anthony Gonzalez (R–OH)
  • Rep. John Katko (R–NY)
  • Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R–IL)
  • Rep. Nicole Malliatokis (R–NY)
  • Rep. David McKinley (R–WV)
  • Rep. Tom Reed (R–NY)
  • Rep. Chris Smith (R–NJ)
  • Rep. Fred Upton (R–MI)
  • Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R–NJ)
  • Rep. Don Young (R–AK)

Despite Democrats not having the necessary support, the final vote was 228-206 thanks to these 13 Republicans. Each should be primaried, at least those who aren’t retiring. And it’s time for Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R–CA) to be removed as House Minority Leader since he has demonstrated brutal incompetence.

For the record, here are the six Democrats who voted against the bill:

  • Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D–NY)
  • Rep. Cori Bush (D–MO)
  • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–NY)
  • Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–MN)
  • Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D–MA)
  • Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–MI)
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  1. Viruscop Inactive
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    Finally, some honest commentary on it in the media.

    • #31
  2. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Under Baltimore, the almost 150 year old B&P tunnel is so tight that the Amtrak trains must slow to 30 miles per hour to transit it.

    Everything Wrong with American Infrastructure in One Tunnel

    The current tunnel, which was built by a bunch of guys with pickaxes and dynamite in the 1870s, took two years to complete. And though it’s outdated now, it has lasted 148 years, so it’s not like they did a terrible job. Somehow, despite all the technological developments that have completely transformed our lives since the 1870s, it now takes six times longer to build its replacement.  And $2.7 billion for the new two-mile-long replacement tunnel comes out to $1.35 billion per mile. To put this in perspective, consider the Gotthard Base Tunnel in Switzerland. It opened in 2016 and cost about $12 billion. That’s a lot more than $2.7 billion, but the Gotthard Base Tunnel is the deepest tunnel in the world, bored through the Alps, and it’s 35 miles long. That comes out to a cost of $343 million per mile. So, for roughly a quarter of the cost per mile that it takes the United States to replace an existing tunnel that’s only a few dozen feet underground, the Swiss can build a completely new marvel of engineering through a mountain range. …  American infrastructure is not crumbling, and there’s no nationwide crisis or emergency demanding a massive federal response. There is, however, a 148-year-old rail tunnel in Maryland that needs replacing. Funding that project should not require assent to a national political agenda, but our backward infrastructure funding process means it does. And our money-first, projects-later mentality means we end up spending lots of money on not a lot of projects.” — Dominic Pino, nationalreview.com

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/everything-wrong-with-american-infrastructure-in-one-tunnel/

     

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  3. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):
    o, for roughly a quarter of the cost per mile that it takes the United States to replace an existing tunnel that’s only a few dozen feet underground, the Swiss can build a completely new marvel of engineering through a mountain range.

    Well, the Swiss probably don’t have to assemble a diverse consortium of minority and woman-owned business, file multiple environmental impact statements, litigate for twelve years, “invest” some of the project budget into “community outreach” (i.e. kickbacks), and operate under union rules requiring six workers to operate a shovel with mandatory one-hour breaks every hour.

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  4. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    California Governor Ronald Reagan spearheaded the building and expansion of the Foothills Freeway in Los Angeles during his two terms from 1967 to 1975; if freeways were good enough for Reagan, they are good enough for me. 

    This isn’t arguing facts; it’s an appeal to authority.

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Under Baltimore, the almost 150 year old B&P tunnel is so tight that the Amtrak trains must slow to 30 miles per hour to transit it.

    Everything Wrong with American Infrastructure in One Tunnel

    The current tunnel, which was built by a bunch of guys with pickaxes and dynamite in the 1870s, took two years to complete. And though it’s outdated now, it has lasted 148 years, so it’s not like they did a terrible job. Somehow, despite all the technological developments that have completely transformed our lives since the 1870s, it now takes six times longer to build its replacement. And $2.7 billion for the new two-mile-long replacement tunnel comes out to $1.35 billion per mile. To put this in perspective, consider the Gotthard Base Tunnel in Switzerland. It opened in 2016 and cost about $12 billion. That’s a lot more than $2.7 billion, but the Gotthard Base Tunnel is the deepest tunnel in the world, bored through the Alps, and it’s 35 miles long. That comes out to a cost of $343 million per mile. So, for roughly a quarter of the cost per mile that it takes the United States to replace an existing tunnel that’s only a few dozen feet underground, the Swiss can build a completely new marvel of engineering through a mountain range. … American infrastructure is not crumbling, and there’s no nationwide crisis or emergency demanding a massive federal response. There is, however, a 148-year-old rail tunnel in Maryland that needs replacing. Funding that project should not require assent to a national political agenda, but our backward infrastructure funding process means it does. And our money-first, projects-later mentality means we end up spending lots of money on not a lot of projects.” — Dominic Pino, nationalreview.com

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/everything-wrong-with-american-infrastructure-in-one-tunnel/

    I read that article.  Why stuff takes so long is frustrating.  We built the Empire State Building and the Pentagon in about a year each.  But there is a huge need for a new tunnel  The article explains:

    “Today’s Wall Street Journal includes a story about the Baltimore and Potomac Tunnel on the Northeast Corridor in Maryland between Baltimore Penn Station and Washington Union Station. The 1.4-mile-long tunnel was built from 1871 to 1873 and is in terrible shape, the Journal says:

    “‘It causes delays for more than 10% of weekday trains on the line, and modernizing it isn’t viable, railroad officials say. Persistent water leaks require regular track repairs, including $71 million in fixes last year. During winter, workers use poles to knock icicles off the tunnel ceiling so they don’t freeze up the electric lines that power trains.

    “A new replacement tunnel would be waterproof, ventilated, and have emergency escape walkways, all standard features on tunnels today, the Journal reports.

    “Trains can go only 30 miles per hour through the current tunnel, which greatly increases travel times for Maryland commuter trains going between Baltimore and Washington. A new, modern tunnel would allow trains to go up to 100 miles per hour. The Journal says that would allow commuter trains to go from Baltimore to Washington in under 30 minutes, a 15-minute improvement.

    “The tunnel’s biggest user is Amtrak, which runs about two-thirds of the 150 trains that use the tunnel every day. The tunnel slows rail traffic all the way up the East Coast, and Amtrak has wanted to replace it for years.

    “There’s a very strong case that the Baltimore and Potomac Tunnel needs to be replaced. Since Amtrak is its biggest user, there’s even a very strong case that federal money should be used to replace it. It seems like something Maryland could work out with the federal government. Maryland transportation officials and Amtrak officials could outline the need for a new tunnel and give a ballpark estimate for cost and time frame to the legislature and the public. Maryland politicians, both in Annapolis and in Washington, could make the case to voters that the tunnel needs replacing. There could be a debate on how much the state should fund and how much the federal government should fund, how that money should be raised, and how much the project should cost in total — the sort of questions that elected legislatures are designed to answer.”

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    California Governor Ronald Reagan spearheaded the building and expansion of the Foothills Freeway in Los Angeles during his two terms from 1967 to 1975; if freeways were good enough for Reagan, they are good enough for me.

    This isn’t arguing facts; it’s an appeal to authority.

    And Reagan is the ultimate authority.

    • #36
  7. Viruscop Inactive
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    Don’t forget the new cryptocurrency reporting and tax provision that was also in the bill.

    • #37
  8. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Trump talked up infrastructure for years but did nothing.

    It turns out that Biden is a greater builder than Trump.

    Why Trump did not do this deal is beyond me. He could have gotten $10 billion to finish the dang wall also.

    Trump can’t actually build anything.

    James Salerno (View Comment):
    This is why the Confederacy was right to ban internal improvements at the central level. Not that they were ever permitted under the United States constitution in the first place, but who cares about all that boring originalism stuff, right?

    And the Confederacy collapsed. Maybe if it had spent more on infrastructure it would still exist, but happily it collapsed.

    You have an odd definition of “collapsed.”

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  9. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Rep. Don Bacon (R–NE)

    Et tu, Nebraska?

    I guess the guy named Bacon likes pork.

    Bacon represents NE-2, the Omaha area. I am sure they need more roads and better bridges over the Missouri River. Also, a new by-pass is being built south of Lincoln near by, and who knows, maybe he wants to be governor or senator some day.

    Ah.  So I guess it’s time to buy some votes.

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  10. Viruscop Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Trump talked up infrastructure for years but did nothing.

    It turns out that Biden is a greater builder than Trump.

    Why Trump did not do this deal is beyond me. He could have gotten $10 billion to finish the dang wall also.

    Trump can’t actually build anything.

    James Salerno (View Comment):
    This is why the Confederacy was right to ban internal improvements at the central level. Not that they were ever permitted under the United States constitution in the first place, but who cares about all that boring originalism stuff, right?

    And the Confederacy collapsed. Maybe if it had spent more on infrastructure it would still exist, but happily it collapsed.

    You have an odd definition of “collapsed.”

    From definition 2 in Merriam-Webster:

    to break down completely : DISINTEGRATE

     

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  11. The Girlie Show Member
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    Is it possible to oppose this bill without having to argue the competency of Donald Trump, or even not invoke him at all? If so, I’d like to take that option, please.

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  12. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Each should be primaried, at least those who aren’t retiring. And it’s time for Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R–CA) to be removed as House Minority Leader since he has demonstrated brutal incompetence.

    Yeah sure, primary Don Young, hilarious. One problem:

    They passed ranked choice voting in 2020 by ballot measure 2 which just happened to follow the exact same fraud pattern as we saw in MI, WI, PA, AZ and GA.  Maybe if you guys had been willing to help us investigate, expose, and educate America about the fraud we might have a chance of having a real election again someday…but ya didn’t. By the way, here’s the data on that, if you’re interested.

    Till that happens you’re stuck with a Representative Young, and a Senator Murkowski. Elections have consequences, and so does ignoring election fraud. 

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  13. The Girlie Show Member
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    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    For the record, here are the six Democrats who voted against the bill:

    • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–NY)
    • Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–MN)
    • Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–MI)

    This makes me curious to know on what grounds these three opposed the bill.

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  14. Randy Webster Inactive
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    The Girlie Show (View Comment):

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    For the record, here are the six Democrats who voted against the bill:

    • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–NY)
    • Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–MN)
    • Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–MI)

    This makes me curious to know on what grounds these three opposed the bill.

    I’d guess it’s the same reason they’ve advanced in the past:  they wouldn’t support this bill unless the House agreed to vote on the much larger “Reconciliation” bill.

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  15. The Reticulator Member
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    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: Rep. Fred Upton (R–MI)

    Figures. He’s in an adjacent district, sort of what used to be David Stockman’s district. He likes to emphasize that he’s a fiscal conservative, with special emphasis on the word “fiscal,” which as far as I can tell means he’s a tax-and-spend Democrat.  

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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    The Girlie Show (View Comment):

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    For the record, here are the six Democrats who voted against the bill:

    • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–NY)
    • Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–MN)
    • Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–MI)

    This makes me curious to know on what grounds these three opposed the bill.

    I’d guess it’s the same reason they’ve advanced in the past: they wouldn’t support this bill unless the House agreed to vote on the much larger “Reconciliation” bill.

    Or maybe it’s because there was no money included for the de-infrastructure-ization of Israel.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    California Governor Ronald Reagan spearheaded the building and expansion of the Foothills Freeway in Los Angeles during his two terms from 1967 to 1975; if freeways were good enough for Reagan, they are good enough for me.

    This isn’t arguing facts; it’s an appeal to authority.

    And Reagan is the ultimate authority.

    It can sound like a nice theory, I suppose, but I suspect that all of the money will be “spent” before a single foot of tunnel is dug or a foot of rail laid down.

    And they’ll be back for more.

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  18. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Viruscop (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    It turns out that Biden is a greater builder spender than Trump.

     

    Trump made every other week infrastructure week , and he made McConnell’s wife Transportation Secretary. Nothing got built.

    Good.  What’s the problem?

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  19. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    At what point is the debt going to be addressed – I suspect must of this will be waster – as was Obama’s 850 billion bill – lots of signs – not must infrastructure  – but hey, Kinzinger will get his gig on CNN

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  20. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Sun rises.

    Proud Republican for Biden likes spending boondoggle and inflation. 

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  21. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    California Governor Ronald Reagan spearheaded the building and expansion of the Foothills Freeway in Los Angeles during his two terms from 1967 to 1975; if freeways were good enough for Reagan, they are good enough for me.

    This isn’t arguing facts; it’s an appeal to authority.

    And Reagan is the ultimate authority.

    And Reagan started all this Government Overspending and fiscal irresponsibility.

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  22. Zafar Member
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    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Trump wanted to do it without the pork. Congress refused.

    If that was true, then it would imply Trump was bad at making deals.

    Stop, no, Viruscop you mustn’t! Don’t you like my cooking, don’t you believe in God?!!!

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  23. Steven Seward Member
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    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    13 Republicans rode to Nancy Pelosi’s rescue and voted yes. The BIF passed the Senate nearly two months ago, so the legislation will head straight to the White House for the President’s signature.

    Here are the Republicans for Pelosi:

    • Rep. Anthony Gonzalez (R–OH)

    Despite Democrats not having the necessary support, the final vote was 228-206 thanks to these 13 Republicans. Each should be primaried, at least those who aren’t retiring.

    Anthony Gonzales voted to impeach President Trump.  Our local Republican Party in Northeast Ohio that Gonzales represents, has totally disowned Gonzales, voted to “unsupport” him in the upcoming election, and stopped inviting him  to all local party functions (unless he just chose to stop  showing up, I’m not sure which).  Unsurprisingly, about a month ago he announced his “retirement” after serving just two terms in office.  His given reason was of course the usual “to spend more time with my family” and had nothing to do with the fact that the local Republican community has totally renounced him and several very attractive candidates have jumped in to challenge him in the primary. [sarcasm]

    When he first ran, I was one of the Republican Party members who voted to endorse a different candidate for Congress that seemed more conservative to me, rather than Gonzales, but I was over-ridden by the majority vote.  In the meeting where he addressed the party asking for our endorsement, he didn’t say much because he had already been vetted and endorsed by the executive Committee. Being the presumptive winner, he didn’t risk outlaying his conservative “bona fides.”  He just needed final approval from the general membership, unlike his opponents who made substantial pleas to the members.    He is a young good-looking charismatic former college football star and seemed to cruise easily into  the nomination by the party.  What could possibly go wrong?

    Gonzales has not been happy with the rude rebuke by the local party, as evidenced in interviews, and has been very mealy-mouthed about his impeachment vote.  My guess is that he is vengeful and is going out with a scorched-Earth policy against Republicans.  I could be wrong.

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  24. Zafar Member
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    More seriously, is there a consequence to Dems and Reps getting proof that they can pass legislation together and bypass the extreme Left and (arguable) Right? Is this bad news for ideologues and Bittereinders on both sides of politics?

    • #54
  25. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Now that I hear Nancy explain things, I feel better about the bill.

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  26. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps these 13 Republicans thought that the Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan was a good idea, I sure do. (I support physical infrastructure like roads and bridges, not the so-called “human infrastructure” scheme.)

    Most of these members are from the Northeast, and they are representing the will and interests of their constituents. The Amtrak tunnel under the Hudson is 110 years old. It allows only 24 trains an hour when both tubes are open. But it was damaged during Super Storm Sandy, and when one of the tubes needs repair, only 6 trains can pass in an hour. If this tunnel were ever closed, it would cripple Amtrak not only in New York, but throughout the entire Northeast Corridor.

    There are numerous other infrastructure projects. That helps explain why Mitch McConnell and 18 other Republican Senators voted for this in the Senate. There is a bottleneck inadequate bridge over the Ohio River which connects to, wait for it, Kentucky!

    Under Baltimore, the almost 150 year old B&P tunnel is so tight that the Amtrak trains must slow to 30 miles per hour to transit it. https://www.amtrak.com/bptunnel. There are a series of other bridges that need to be replaced on the Northeast Corridor, such as over the 115 year old bridge over the two track Susquehanna River Bridge. See https://nec.amtrak.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Amtrak_RTB_SusqRiverBridge_Final.pdf For more information, see https://nec.amtrak.com/readytobuild/.

    I don’t know about all of you, but I enjoy our Interstate Highway system, which covers all 50 states. We are the United States, and the interstates tie us together and move people and supplies. To quote Jimmy Hoffa, if you ate dinner tonight, the food was transported by a truck. The majority of factories are located with a dozen miles of a freeway. Having freeways serve all of us.

    One last point. Six radical members of the so-called Squad voted against this bill. 

    • Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D–NY)
    • Rep. Cori Bush (D–MO)
    • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–NY)
    • Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–MN)
    • Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D–MA)
    • Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–MI)

    Do you really want to be on their side?

    Garbage.  Why weren’t these infrastructure projects completed in the 8 years of Obama’s term?  I seem to recall a “stimulus” thing, there, for a couple of years.

    These projects should be planned/budgeted for within the DOT regular planning cycle.  Not for political opportunities.  Driving on roads isn’t something to “enjoy”, as if they’re giving us some kind of benefit.  They are not gods that shower stuff we like upon us.  

    This is purely dependency, like Hunter Biden on a pipe:  State budgets are largely subsidized by federal dollars. National politicians pull the strings. That includes DOT work and the more obvious Medicare/Medicaid component.

    Cheering this on cheers the end of federalism, which seems odd coming from a Reagan guy.

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  27. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps these 13 Republicans thought that the Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan was a good idea, I sure do. (I support physical infrastructure like roads and bridges, not the so-called “human infrastructure” scheme.)

    Most of these members are from the Northeast, and they are representing the will and interests of their constituents. The Amtrak tunnel under the Hudson is 110 years old. It allows only 24 trains an hour when both tubes are open. But it was damaged during Super Storm Sandy, and when one of the tubes needs repair, only 6 trains can pass in an hour. If this tunnel were ever closed, it would cripple Amtrak not only in New York, but throughout the entire Northeast Corridor.

    There are numerous other infrastructure projects. That helps explain why Mitch McConnell and 18 other Republican Senators voted for this in the Senate. There is a bottleneck inadequate bridge over the Ohio River which connects to, wait for it, Kentucky!

    Under Baltimore, the almost 150 year old B&P tunnel is so tight that the Amtrak trains must slow to 30 miles per hour to transit it. https://www.amtrak.com/bptunnel. There are a series of other bridges that need to be replaced on the Northeast Corridor, such as over the 115 year old bridge over the two track Susquehanna River Bridge. See https://nec.amtrak.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Amtrak_RTB_SusqRiverBridge_Final.pdf For more information, see https://nec.amtrak.com/readytobuild/.

    I don’t know about all of you, but I enjoy our Interstate Highway system, which covers all 50 states. We are the United States, and the interstates tie us together and move people and supplies. To quote Jimmy Hoffa, if you ate dinner tonight, the food was transported by a truck. The majority of factories are located with a dozen miles of a freeway. Having freeways serve all of us.

    One last point. Six radical members of the so-called Squad voted against this bill. They are

    • Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D–NY)
    • Rep. Cori Bush (D–MO)
    • Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–NY)
    • Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–MN)
    • Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D–MA)
    • Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–MI)

    Do you really want to be on their side?

    Can we start a countdown to the next big stimulus spending bill?  2 years?  What side will we all have to be on, then?  Which right side of history, Gary-Gary-Quite-Contrary?

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    James Salerno (View Comment):

    This is why the Confederacy was right to ban internal improvements at the central level. Not that they were ever permitted under the United States constitution in the first place, but who cares about all that boring originalism stuff, right?

    The Confederacy was wrong on that one. The Republican Party came from the Whigs (“We Hope In God”), and Republicans spearheaded the uniting of the continent with the transcontinental railroad during Lincoln’s terms, beginning in 1863 and completing after his death in 1869. https://www.google.com/search?q=transcontinental+railroad&rlz=1C1OKWM_enUS925US925&oq=transcontinen&aqs=chrome.0.0i433i512j69i57j46i199i433i465i512j0i512l7.8463j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8. Teddy Roosevelt built the Panama Canal. And Ike was the father of the Interstate Highway System.

    I am not totally up on this topic, but at the very least it’s genuinely debatable. I think James is right about the constitutionality. I’m pretty sure Ike lied about the interstate being critical to national security. It is a well-known fact that the interstate displaced all kinds of black businesses in multiple cities. They just ran them over. The same thing happened with the light rail in Minneapolis. The Vietnamese and the Hmong lost a ton of businesses for no good reason. It was really sickening. 

    I think if you didn’t have centralized funding, you would end up with more productive output. This way has to have a lot more graft and vote buying.

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  29. RufusRJones Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Some of the non-infrastructure pork that makes up about three-fourths of the bill just passed includes:

    • $50 million for Central Utah Project Completion (Mitt Romney’s payout)
    • $5 billion for low/zero emissions school buses
    • $2.5 billion for a carbon storage commercialization program
    • $21.5 billion for clean energy demonstrations
    • $75 million for the Denali commission (Murkowski’s Payout)
    • $14.2 billion for the Federal Communications Commission
    • $3.4 billion for the Federal Buildings Fund
    • $3.5 billion for Indian Health Service
    • $500 million grant for the Healthy Streets Program allows cities to “provide funding to deploy cool and porous pavements and expand tree cover to mitigate urban heat islands, improve air quality, and reduce flood risks.”
    • $1 billion for the Appalachian Regional Commission and $150 million for the Delta Regional Authority. (Sen. Joe Manchin’s wife is co-chairwoman of the Appalachian Regional Commission.)
    • Requirement for new cars to be equipped with technology to detect intoxicated drivers
    • Pilot program for a national mileage tax
    • $50 million for ten “Transportation Resilience and Adaptation Centers of Excellence”, which will do climate change reports and engage “disadvantaged communities”.
    • “Digital Equity”
    • $330 million dollars to buy furniture for the Department of Homeland Security
    • $2 Billion for the EPA.
    • A $75 Million research slush fund for Pete Buttigieg to dispense at the DOT
    • Another $120 Million for Pete B. for “Railroad Rehabilitation and Improvement Finance Reform”
    • Money to train first responders to ride bicycles (I am not making this up)

    The CBO says it will increased deficits by $256 Billion. That’s a low-ball estimate.

    But, hey, Joe Manchin’s wife can get her own Maserati, at least.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cbo-estimates-infrastructure-bill-would-add-256-billion-to-deficits-11628196739

    Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™

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  30. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    If Adam Kinzinger was any more of a tool, he’d have “Stanley” stamped on his butt.

    Yeah, Adam Kinzinger who only voted to impeach Trump because of his “deeply held conservative principles”… just voted with Democrats on a two trillion dollar infrastructure bill that only spends about $500B on actual infrastructure.

    Maybe the Republicans will run on Repealing and Replacing it.

    And they have the full-throated support of rock-ribbed conservatives like Gary.

    California Governor Ronald Reagan spearheaded the building and expansion of the Foothills Freeway in Los Angeles during his two terms from 1967 to 1975; if freeways were good enough for Reagan, they are good enough for me. In fact, while President Reagan supported a drop in income tax rates, he more than doubled the federal gas tax from 4 cents a gallon to 9 cents a gallon. We need good roads, and we need to pay for them.

    Instead of calling me names, why don’t you stick to the issues? The Code of Conduct prohibits:

    • Personal attacks and ad hominem arguments against people, groups, or classes. Public figures may be exempt from this rule, provided the comment otherwise adheres to the CoC.
    • Defamatory, gossipy, or rude comments. Imagine you’re a guest at a dinner party with a group of seemingly nice people you don’t know… how would you handle yourself?

    I argued for the infrastructure bill on its merits. Let’s compete in the world of facts and not sling mud at each other.

    You argued and failed.  No one debates the value of roads, any more than anyone debates the value of sewers, which we all pay for.

    What’s the larger issue is the *how*, Gary, and the fact that it’s not all infrastructure spending, and we know how infrastructure spending goes (which means it doesn’t, it’s enormously slow, and laden with political overhang), and robs the states of their autonomy because they are now inextricably linked with the idiots in Congress you laud so loudly for making this crap happen, annually.

    Congrats, again, on your heroic arguments.  Now go do a little math on something called “unfunded liabilities”, and let me know how much we can enjoy our golden government gifts without debt and liabilities smashing us into ash.

     

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