Milley’s Betrayal Will End in Fire

 

Saw this article today on MSN: “U.S. top general secretly called China over fears Trump could spark war – report

According to the new book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, General Milley twice called his counterpart in the PLA to let him know that the US was not going to launch a war against China and, if we were, he would call him and let him know.  He called him twice.  Once before the election, and again on January 8 after this exchange with Speaker Pelosi:

“He’s crazy. You know he’s crazy,” Pelosi told Milley in the call, according to the report.

According to the cited call transcript, the general replied, “I agree with you on everything.”

To say that I find this troubling is an understatement.  I am OK with there being a call to lower tensions.  That seems to be appropriate (to an extent), but promising to call the leader of the PLA and let them know that an attack was imminent seems to be very, very wrong.  I’m hesitant to use the “T” word to describe such an action, but it sure seems like we are getting close to that level of behavior.

I was chatting with a friend and mentioned to them that there was a cabal of people who went to great lengths to rig the election as reported by that right-wing agitprop rag Time Magazine.  They felt their actions were completely normal and OK.  Of course, they also think that Trump is the worst President ever.  I wonder if we can ever be a whole country again?  I think we cannot and the carnage that will result from that will be intense.

As for General Milley…I am not sure what punishment is appropriate, but that he is still in uniform at this point is a problem.  That of those that voted on the poll at the end of the article 46% (the plurality) strongly supported his actions is another data point that we are no longer a single country with common goals, but rather two increasingly disparate people intermixed with each other who cannot talk about our problems much less come to any sort of resolution.  Frankly, I am not even sure how I would feel about someone who strongly supported Gen Milley’s actions.   I took a survey for some company recently and one set of questions asked if I think that people who were Republicans, or Democrats, or Socialists, or various other ideologies/parties could be good people.  I answered in the affirmative and I still believe that.  I wonder how many of my fellow R> members feel that way?  I wonder how much longer I will feel that way?  That makes me quite sad.

What is the end result…a cleansing fire, but one that leaves the US a tattered husk and leaves someone like the Chinese ruling the world.  To me, that is a bad outcome.  Alas, I think it is the inevitable one.

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  1. Stina Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump doesn’t drink, but clearly he was not a well person after the election. What was to stop him from starting a war, attacking Iran, or shooting off nukes.

    Is that your personal assessment, or was it hearsay from your sources whose credibility has been debunked?

    Gary, you’ve gotten so many things wrong in politics. Ever consider more humility?

    King George III had a period of madness, and if memory serves, had a Regent for a period of time. I think that we can agree that there have been a history of autocrats who have declared war on their own, “I want to invade Russia!” “I want to install communist regime’s in Eastern Europe.” What if?

    Your fevered hallucinations are not Trump’s fault.

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  2. Stina Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    No one ever thought that hijackers would fly planes into buildings until they did. We have never had a President like Trump, and hopefully we never will have one again. But what if?

    Actually I think this was the ending of Clancy novel years before the real life event. In fact, it might have given the terrorists the idea.

    In “Executive Orders,” Jack Ryan is named as president by acclamation, shortly before a Japanese pilot smashes his plane into the House of Representatives prior to a Joint Session of Congress.

    You may need to get YOUR head shrunk for this one.

    Edit: that was supposed to be the Star Wars comment.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    So what the heck do we do if a President becomes mentally ill? I was terrified that Trump would try to declare martial law or would start a war between the election and January 20th, especially after the capitol riot on January 6th. I may be in a minority in Ricochet with that fear, but I don’t think that that I am in an overall minority in the nation.

    Nixon was drinking heavily before he resigned. What if he had “pressed the button” while drunk?

    Trump doesn’t drink, but clearly he was not a well person after the election. What was to stop him from starting a war, attacking Iran, or shooting off nukes.

    In the armed forces, a commander can be relieved of duty under very limited circumstances. We need to think seriously, what would we do if a President literally becomes mentally ill? Assemble the cabinet? Hard to do in a couple of minutes after a President launches nukes.

    The Constitution is not a suicide pact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact.People do all sorts of things when they are angry. What then?

    No one ever thought that hijackers would fly planes into buildings until they did. We have never had a President like Trump, and hopefully we never will have one again. But what if?

    We are not responsible for your mental health.

    It doesn’t seem like anyone is.

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  4. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    In the armed forces, a commander can be relieved of duty under very limited circumstances.

    Please cite your source for this.

    I believe a commander of any size unit can be relieved whenever his or her superior believes it must be done. Hell, any service member can be relieved of duty. Saw an LE Flight Chief go out to the gate and relieve the gate guard of duty. Demanded the airman’s weapon, etc., then had him escorted to the barracks.

    I have not been a member of the Armed Forces, so I don’t know.

    So why did you state as a fact that a commander can only be relieved of command in limited circumstances? 

    (I’ll add that I accompanied the Flight Chief to the gate in case there was resistance. So it’s not something I saw on TV or in a movie.)

     

     

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The Left is pretty pissed at the NT’s who have criticized Biden and Afghanistan.  

    Heh. And you thought they were your friends before this?

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  6. Skyler Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    King George III had a period of madness, and if memory serves, had a Regent for a period of time.  I think that we can agree that there have been a history of autocrats who have declared war on their own, “I want to invade Russia!”  “I want to install communist regime’s in Eastern Europe.”  What if?  

    You know we fought a revolution so that we wouldn’t be subordinate to George III or his heirs.  Why would you pick him as a model to follow?  I really struggle to understand where you get these ideas.

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  7. Django Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    There is absolutely no scenario in which the CJCS should conspire with his Chinese opposite number. Why is the US military arrogating to itself not only the State Department’s job, but the White House’s as well?

    But this is the opposite of what I thought. I thought the CJCS is in fact the top military commander and the head of foreign policy*. Did I get this wrong? If this isn’t so, the Milley should be in a lot of trouble. (*It’s in the Constitution somewhere.)

    According to Mark Levin and a few other lawyers, the CJCS has only one responsibility and that is to provide advice to the President. He has no executive authority.

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  8. Skyler Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    There is absolutely no scenario in which the CJCS should conspire with his Chinese opposite number. Why is the US military arrogating to itself not only the State Department’s job, but the White House’s as well?

    But this is the opposite of what I thought. I thought the CJCS is in fact the top military commander and the head of foreign policy*. Did I get this wrong? If this isn’t so, the Milley should be in a lot of trouble. (*It’s in the Constitution somewhere.)

    According to Mark Levin and a few other lawyers, the CJCS has only one responsibility and that is to provide advice to the President. He has no executive authority.

    That’s correct, although Colin Powell did a great job claiming credit for winning the Gulf War.

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    There is absolutely no scenario in which the CJCS should conspire with his Chinese opposite number. Why is the US military arrogating to itself not only the State Department’s job, but the White House’s as well?

    But this is the opposite of what I thought. I thought the CJCS is in fact the top military commander and the head of foreign policy*. Did I get this wrong? If this isn’t so, the Milley should be in a lot of trouble. (*It’s in the Constitution somewhere.)

    According to Mark Levin and a few other lawyers, the CJCS has only one responsibility and that is to provide advice to the President. He has no executive authority.

    Thanks. (Thinks to self: I’ve got to work on my sarcasm.)

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  10. Django Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    There is absolutely no scenario in which the CJCS should conspire with his Chinese opposite number. Why is the US military arrogating to itself not only the State Department’s job, but the White House’s as well?

    But this is the opposite of what I thought. I thought the CJCS is in fact the top military commander and the head of foreign policy*. Did I get this wrong? If this isn’t so, the Milley should be in a lot of trouble. (*It’s in the Constitution somewhere.)

    According to Mark Levin and a few other lawyers, the CJCS has only one responsibility and that is to provide advice to the President. He has no executive authority.

    Thanks. (Thinks to self: I’ve got to work on my sarcasm.)

    Maybe I should work on my reading comprehension? 

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  11. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    In “Executive Orders,” Jack Ryan is named as president by acclamation, shortly before a Japanese pilot smashes his plane into the House of Representatives prior to a Joint Session of Congress.

    Slight correction. Jack Ryan is acclaimed Vice-President by the President and accepted by the Joint Session of Congress. As Ryan is about to move to the Capital via tunnels the pilot crashes the plane into the Capital building killing the President, almost every member of Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Cabinet. Ryan is sworn in as President shortly afterwards. 

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    In “Executive Orders,” Jack Ryan is named as president by acclamation, shortly before a Japanese pilot smashes his plane into the House of Representatives prior to a Joint Session of Congress.

    Slight correction. Jack Ryan is acclaimed Vice-President by the President and accepted by the Joint Session of Congress. As Ryan is about to move to the Capital via tunnels the pilot crashes the plane into the Capital building killing the President, almost every member of Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Cabinet. Ryan is sworn in as President shortly afterwards.

    Sounds a bit like what happened to Londo Mollari in becoming Emperor.

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    In “Executive Orders,” Jack Ryan is named as president by acclamation, shortly before a Japanese pilot smashes his plane into the House of Representatives prior to a Joint Session of Congress.

    Slight correction. Jack Ryan is acclaimed Vice-President by the President and accepted by the Joint Session of Congress. As Ryan is about to move to the Capital via tunnels the pilot crashes the plane into the Capital building killing the President, almost every member of Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Cabinet. Ryan is sworn in as President shortly afterwards.

    You are absolutely correct.  I knew that.  I was typing far too quickly, and did not type in the word “Vice.”  Thanks for the correction,

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  14. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    In “Executive Orders,” Jack Ryan is named as president by acclamation, shortly before a Japanese pilot smashes his plane into the House of Representatives prior to a Joint Session of Congress.

    Slight correction. Jack Ryan is acclaimed Vice-President by the President and accepted by the Joint Session of Congress. As Ryan is about to move to the Capital via tunnels the pilot crashes the plane into the Capital building killing the President, almost every member of Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Cabinet. Ryan is sworn in as President shortly afterwards.

    You are absolutely correct. I knew that. I was typing far too quickly, and did not type in the word “Vice.” Thanks for the correction,

    Its not a big deal, but I do love me some vintage Jack Ryan. 

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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sounds a bit like what happened to Londo Mollari in becoming Emperor.

    Uh . . . I don’t recall that everybody in line to the throne was wiped out leaving only Londo. I recall that Cartagia was taken out by a well-placed stiletto, and Londo just happened to be next.

    Your sci-fi references don’t always land, man!

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  16. Jager Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    So what the heck do we do if a President becomes mentally ill?  I was terrified that Trump would try to declare martial law or would start a war between the election and January 20th, especially after the capitol riot on January 6th.  I may be in a minority in Ricochet with that fear, but I don’t think that that I am in an overall minority in the nation

    That says more about your thought process then about Trumps.

    The same President who pissed off John Bolton because he would not authorize a drone strike that would kill 150 people was going to start a war, more to the point launch a nuke?

    That does not even make any sense. Trump was pissed about the election. How do you get from that internal concern to launching nukes? 

    I agree the Constitution is not a suicide pack. We have created some checks, the Military should only follow “lawful” orders. The checks come into play when Trump makes some “order”. So he declares martial law, the Generals might tell him to pound sand. It has to be reactionary. A General can not take actions because it is possible the President could do something stupid. 

    What is the limiting principle here, any President is capable of doing something stupid. Should we just do away with the office and let the Generals run the country? 

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sounds a bit like what happened to Londo Mollari in becoming Emperor.

    Uh . . . I don’t recall that everybody in line to the throne was wiped out leaving only Londo. I recall that Cartagia was taken out by a well-placed stiletto, and Londo just happened to be next.

    Your sci-fi references don’t always land, man!

    Londo as Prime Minister removed (although perhaps not killed) everyone that had been around Cartagia in the Royal Court, those who had been “influenced by the Shadows,” in order to hopefully convince the Vorlons not to destroy Centauri Prime.  At least some of those people would normally have been considered successors to Cartagia, as with Londo himself having been part of the Royal Court almost since childhood.

    It seemed close enough under the circumstances.

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  18. Django Member
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    Milley: Calls to China were ‘perfectly’ within scope of job (msn.com)

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  19. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sounds a bit like what happened to Londo Mollari in becoming Emperor.

    Uh . . . I don’t recall that everybody in line to the throne was wiped out leaving only Londo. I recall that Cartagia was taken out by a well-placed stiletto, and Londo just happened to be next.

    Your sci-fi references don’t always land, man!

    Londo as Prime Minister removed (although perhaps not killed) everyone that had been around Cartagia in the Royal Court, those who had been “influenced by the Shadows,” in order to hopefully convince the Vorlons not to destroy Centauri Prime. At least some of those people would normally have been considered successors to Cartagia, as with Londo himself having been part of the Royal Court almost since childhood.

    It seemed close enough under the circumstances.

    I did re-watch the series recently, and I just don’t remember him removing everyone. Only Cartagia.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sounds a bit like what happened to Londo Mollari in becoming Emperor.

    Uh . . . I don’t recall that everybody in line to the throne was wiped out leaving only Londo. I recall that Cartagia was taken out by a well-placed stiletto, and Londo just happened to be next.

    Your sci-fi references don’t always land, man!

    Londo as Prime Minister removed (although perhaps not killed) everyone that had been around Cartagia in the Royal Court, those who had been “influenced by the Shadows,” in order to hopefully convince the Vorlons not to destroy Centauri Prime. At least some of those people would normally have been considered successors to Cartagia, as with Londo himself having been part of the Royal Court almost since childhood.

    It seemed close enough under the circumstances.

    I did re-watch the series recently, and I just don’t remember him removing everyone. Only Cartagia.

     

     

     

     

    There’s another relevant bit but I couldn’t find a clip.

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    In “Executive Orders,” Jack Ryan is named as president by acclamation, shortly before a Japanese pilot smashes his plane into the House of Representatives prior to a Joint Session of Congress.

    Slight correction. Jack Ryan is acclaimed Vice-President by the President and accepted by the Joint Session of Congress. As Ryan is about to move to the Capital via tunnels the pilot crashes the plane into the Capital building killing the President, almost every member of Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Cabinet. Ryan is sworn in as President shortly afterwards.

    You are absolutely correct. I knew that. I was typing far too quickly, and did not type in the word “Vice.” Thanks for the correction,

    Its not a big deal, but I do love me some vintage Jack Ryan.

    I stopped reading Tom Clancy, when he stopped writing the books under his name.  But I hung in there for his first 10 books or so.

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  22. Brian Watt Inactive
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    The Babylon Bee – excerpts from Mark Milley’s The Art of War:

    “If you think you might attack an enemy, pick up the phone and give ’em a heads up. It’s only fair.”

    “You have to be careful not to surprise your enemy. They really don’t like it.”

    “Treason is not treason if it is the lesser of two treasons.”

    “Know thy pronouns, and know thy enemy’s pronouns.”

    “The supreme art of war is to surrender to your enemy without fighting.”

    “All war is white rage.”

    “If you surrender, you can never lose.”

    “If thy commanding officer sends mean tweets, thou need not follow orders or the chain of command.”

    “The enemy of my friend is my friend.”

    “Keep your friends close and your enemies on speed dial.”

    “You can not betray the one to which you were never loyal.”

    “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for China.”

    “When retreating, leave most of thy armaments behind so you know what you’ll be up against next time.”

    “Chinese bros before American hoes.”

    “He who turns on bad orange man gets big book deal.”

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