Origins of Covid

 

When you have to sue the government to get them to share legally available information, it almost always means they know more than they want you to know. Whatever the origins of Covid, policymakers have behaved from the outset of the pandemic in ways that can only be described as curious. Their frequently irrational behavior, and contradictory pronouncements, have spawned any number of theories as to why they have flailed the way they have.

One thought I have had is that the folks at the CDC have behaved in ways someone would if they were afraid that this virus might not act like a naturally occurring virus. It isn’t as if we haven’t had coronaviruses in the world before. And we generally know the course a viral outbreak takes through a population. Sure, maybe this one has a marginally higher mortality rate for certain segments of the population. But some of the behavior of policymakers has suggested their behavior is born out of a concern, not just for mortality, but for the possibility that the entire pandemic course with this one could somehow be…different.

Such puzzling behavior has prompted all manner of attempts to explain their inconsistent, and often ridiculous, policy prescriptions. Hanlon’s razor is always – always – the most likely explanation: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. Or perhaps the popular explanation on the right, that the bureaucrats are power-mad, is correct. Perhaps some combination of stupidity and a lust for power offers the magic decoder ring.  Embrace the healing power of and.

The delusional view on the left, that the government is a benevolent caretaker of the citizenry and only wants what’s best for us, should have died as the last planes left Afghanistan, abandoning the remaining American citizens to their fate. But they’ll be telling us again that we should trust our well-being to the government before the week is out. They’re incapable of learning from experience. (The determination of the poobahs of social media to decorate the posts of their users with ubiquitous assurances of the probity of the government’s pronouncements on Covid is a case in point.)

The fact that the federal government routinely demonstrates its indifference to the welfare of American citizens doesn’t, however, really explain the epidemic of bureaucratic bumbling and burbling.

I’ve been long haunted by the thought that we should at least consider whether the wacky behavior of the bureaucrats might suggest that some of them suspect something, and have been haphazardly reacting out of fear that the virus could behave in ways for which there is no natural precedent.

Just wondering.

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  1. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Keith Lowery:

    Whatever the origins of Covid, policy makers have behaved from the outset of the pandemic in ways that can only be described as curious. Their frequently irrational behavior, and contradictory pronouncements, have spawned any number of theories as to why they have flailed the way they have.

    One thought I have had is that the folks at the CDC have behaved in ways someone would if they were afraid that this virus might not act like a naturally occurring virus.

    Errors are introduced when the CDC translates its marching orders from the original Mandarin.

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  4. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    Keith Lowery: I’ve been long haunted by the thought that we should at least consider whether the wacky behavior of the bureaucrats might suggest that some of them suspect something, and have been haphazardly reacting out of fear that the virus could behave in ways for which there is no natural precedent.

    I have had almost exactly the same thought process,  especially at the global national level.  Countries across the globe have enacted these incredibly over reaching lockdowns, and mask mandates based upon what we should presume to be deep, detailed knowledge of what we are dealing with.  But, then I realize if this knowledge existed, surely one of these leaders would regard his population with enough respect, that he would share that knowledge. Surely one of them, somewhere.  Nope, nada.

    You merely need to look at the actions of  governors and mayors to realize they have no knowledge, nor regard for their constituents, as they mandate covid active patients must be admitted to nursing home and assisted living facilities, then subsequently mandate that all children must wear masks in school.  No logic, no reasoning, only reactionary power mongers, dictating what we plebes can and can not do, not for our safety, or out of concern for our health, but for them to wield power. 

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  5. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):
    You merely need to look at the actions of  governors and mayors to realize they have no knowledge, nor regard for their constituents, as they mandate covid active patients must be admitted to nursing home and assisted living facilities, then subsequently mandate that all children must wear masks in school.  No logic, no reasoning, only reactionary power mongers, dictating what we plebes can and can not do, not for our safety, or out of concern for our health, but for them to wield power. 

    I end up pretty involved with local county government, particularly as regards medical issues.  I think our county judge (senior elected official) was trying to do his best.  The advice he gave was passed on from local health officials; they were passing on state Health Department info which was being passed on from the feds.  Everyone was erring on the side of caution and quickly lost sight of the forest for the trees.

    Nationally our political leaders missed a great opportunity early on to admit to uncertainty.  Had they admitted early to a lack of enough knowledge about this particular virus people would have been more forgiving when guidance changed.  Instead the arrogance made people reach the point where no one really trusts them.  And when politicians like Obama, Newsom, and the entire host of inveterate leftie scolds clearly ignore their own pronouncements in their private lives, why would anyone believe in their sincerity?

    I don’t think the American people have ever had less faith in government. 

     

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  6. Doctor Robert Member
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    That Covid was developed at Wuhan Institute of Virology is essentially proven, although our vaunted intelligence agencies refuse to admit what is an obvious trail of evidence.  The important questions which have not been proven are whether the release was deliberate (much easier to imagine than a long sequence of errors) and whether the Wuhan people developed some or all of the variants we are now seeing.

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  7. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Keith Lowery: Such puzzling behavior has prompted all manner of attempts to explain their inconsistent, and often ridiculous, policy prescriptions. Hanlon’s razor is always – always – the most likely explanation: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

    I thought it’s been pretty well established that Covid-19 was a form of bioweapon. The question is: Did it work as designed?   

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  8. Sandy Member
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):
    You merely need to look at the actions of governors and mayors to realize they have no knowledge, nor regard for their constituents, as they mandate covid active patients must be admitted to nursing home and assisted living facilities, then subsequently mandate that all children must wear masks in school. No logic, no reasoning, only reactionary power mongers, dictating what we plebes can and can not do, not for our safety, or out of concern for our health, but for them to wield power.

    I end up pretty involved with local county government, particularly as regards medical issues. I think our county judge (senior elected official) was trying to do his best. The advice he gave was passed on from local health officials; they were passing on state Health Department info which was being passed on from the feds. Everyone was erring on the side of caution and quickly lost sight of the forest for the trees.

    Nationally our political leaders missed a great opportunity early on to admit to uncertainty. Had they admitted early to a lack of enough knowledge about this particular virus people would have been more forgiving when guidance changed. Instead the arrogance made people reach the point where no one really trusts them. And when politicians like Obama, Newsom, and the entire host of inveterate leftie scolds clearly ignore their own pronouncements in their private lives, why would anyone believe in their sincerity?

    I don’t think the American people have ever had less faith in government.

    And yet few were slowed down by contemplating the fact that the WHO had long recommended against lockdowns. Everything about our actions seems to have been novel, especially the terrible restrictions on physicians and therapeutic interventions.  Should have been a red flag.

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  9. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    According to Dr David Martin, there were over 70 patents issued by the US patent office relating to the creation of the novel COVID 19 SARS virus and/or its vaccines.

    Some date back to 1999 – 2003 era.

    Fauci and those in his inner circle had spent a lot of time  working on this plandemic for decades.

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    @keithlowery you mention the whacky behavior of bureaucrats in you post.

    I thought a lot of whacky behavior was unveiled during the effort to discredit and impeach President Trump.

    I also wonder about whether there is a significant difference in whacky behaviors between a people influenced by Christian doctrine versus those who abide no such influence. For a long period in America we have seen a gradual increase in those who voice their support for what might be termed secular humanitarianism. But I think I have seen a significant difference as we entered the period of ‘woke’ behavior. Hate seems to have gathered support and is promoted by those of the ‘woke’ persuasion and directed particularly towards Christians and Jews who resist.

    Because there appears to be real organized purpose behind these changes, I attribute it to the Communist Party and fellow travelers. The chaos created therefrom is the major force and threat to the preservation of the American republic.

    What we have seen during this Covid pandemic is unbelievable to me in the sense that I never conceived that I would witness anything like this in America in my lifetime.

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  11. ctlaw Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    According to Dr David Martin, there were over 70 patents issued by the US patent office relating to the creation of the novel COVID 19 SARS virus and/or its vaccines.

    Some date back to 1999 – 2003 era.

    Fauci and those in his inner circle had spent a lot of time working on this plandemic for decades.

    The kook factor reading is off the scale.

    Do you expect vaccine development would start afresh or build on things that were already in development?

    The key anti-kookery argument for HCQ, ivermectin, etc. is that they were already being looked at for things like SARS, MERS, and Ebola when those diseases fizzled out.

     

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    Say what you want about conspiracy theories, kookiness and covid, this video is very interesting.  (Dr. McDowell is a pastor not a scientist, but quotes ostensibly noted experts; the video is 5:54 hours long.)

    Toward the beginning, Dr. McDowell calls covid a tri-partied chimerical construct: the original modified SARS virus; the gain of function to make it more transmissible; and the additional coalescing with HIV virus.

    Toward the end, he says that in Trinidad, during the year between April 2020 and April 2021, 145 people died of covid.  April 6, 2021 they started mass immunizations, and from April to August 30 2021, there have been 1,022 deaths from covid.

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  13. Dominique Prynne Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    I thought it’s been pretty well established that Covid-19 was a form of bioweapon. The question is: Did it work as designed?

    I would say that since it is most deadly in obese/diabetic people, the answer is yes.  Chinese trying to kill off Fat Americans – Bullseye!

    Tex929rr (View Comment):
    I don’t think the American people have ever had less faith in government. 

    Hold my beer!  Just wait…it will get way worse!

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    That Covid was developed at Wuhan Institute of Virology is essentially proven,

    Yes, and I am certain that Fauci’s hand is all over it.  I beleive we will find that he was a major proponent of the GOF research.  He should be in a Federal Supermax, not at the podium at every press conference. Trump put the fox in charge of the henhouse who then used his position  to mis-direct the inquiries.  

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  14. Spin Inactive
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    Oh, I don’t know.  How exactly do you think a career bureaucrat charged with protecting the free world from pandemic viruses when he found out that:

    …there was actually a virus infecting large swaths of people?

    …said virus came from a place in China where we just so happened to be conducting research in to viruses, and not just any viruses but exactly the kind of virus that was causing a pandemic?

    If you look through everything that Fauci and the CDC have done through the lens of “…we knew were we doing this, we probably created it, and if not created it, we at least let it loose, and we’ve been doing this for a long time and we can’t afford to take the fall for it…” then I think everything falls in to place.  

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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: Such puzzling behavior has prompted all manner of attempts to explain their inconsistent, and often ridiculous, policy prescriptions. Hanlon’s razor is always – always – the most likely explanation: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

    I thought it’s been pretty well established that Covid-19 was a form of bioweapon. The question is: Did Is it working as designed?

    FIFY.

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  16. Spin Inactive
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Keith Lowery: Such puzzling behavior has prompted all manner of attempts to explain their inconsistent, and often ridiculous, policy prescriptions. Hanlon’s razor is always – always – the most likely explanation: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

    I thought it’s been pretty well established that Covid-19 was a form of bioweapon. The question is: Did it work as designed?

    No, that is not well established at all.  

    What IS established is that the collective “we” were doing research at the WIV, specifically trying to create a virus out of some version of SARS-CoV that would more readily bind to human cells, and “we” succeeded.  It is well established that the US government paid for the research at least in part (I read the grant proposals myself) and that Fauci lied about that when pressed by Rand Paul.  It is also well established that the media and the US government tried push this under the rug.  It’s further well established that once a few “trusted” media outlets start reporting on it, others were forced to take the notion that SARS-CoV-2 might have escaped from a lab and that it might even have been created in that lab.

    I am perfectly fine with Hanlon’s Razor here.  We had been trying to create a virus for many years for the purposes of having a vaccine that would help prevent or mitigate some form of naturally occurring pandemic.  And it got out of hand.  

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    Flicker (View Comment):
    he says that in Trinidad, during the year between April 2020 and April 2021, 145 people died of covid.  April 6, 2021 they started mass immunizations, and from April to August 30 2021, there have been 1,022 deaths from covid.

    I would like to see the data on this.  Does his video have any references?  

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  18. Flicker Coolidge
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    he says that in Trinidad, during the year between April 2020 and April 2021, 145 people died of covid. April 6, 2021 they started mass immunizations, and from April to August 30 2021, there have been 1,022 deaths from covid.

    I would like to see the data on this. Does his video have any references?

    Not published.

    I’ve only watched so far maybe 30 minutes of the 6-hour video, and I don’t know when I’ll get finished.  It might be easier for me to e-mail him if I can get his address.

    Added: Found his e-mail address, will inquire.

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  19. Spin Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    he says that in Trinidad, during the year between April 2020 and April 2021, 145 people died of covid. April 6, 2021 they started mass immunizations, and from April to August 30 2021, there have been 1,022 deaths from covid.

    I would like to see the data on this. Does his video have any references?

    Not published.

    I’ve only watched so far maybe 30 minutes of the 6-hour video, and I don’t know when I’ll get finished. It might be easier for me to e-mail him if I can get his address.

    Added: Found his e-mail address, will inquire.

    You ever watch ZDogg?  https://www.youtube.com/c/ZDoggMD

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    Spin (View Comment):
    You ever watch ZDogg?  https://www.youtube.com/c/ZDoggMD

    I should mention his most recent video did a great job with the…shall we say…lack of consistent information out of the government.  

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  21. Flicker Coolidge
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):
    You ever watch ZDogg? https://www.youtube.com/c/ZDoggMD

    I should mention his most recent video did a great job with the…shall we say…lack of consistent information out of the government.

    No, but if you specifically recommend him, I’ll have to look him up.

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  22. Spin Inactive
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):
    You ever watch ZDogg? https://www.youtube.com/c/ZDoggMD

    I should mention his most recent video did a great job with the…shall we say…lack of consistent information out of the government.

    No, but if you specifically recommend him, I’ll have to look him up.

    I like him because he is a doctor, he looks at the data, he isn’t afraid to say he doesn’t know, or change his mind.  My first experience with him was when Dr. Bhattacharya was on his show.  

    Although he is on the left, he doesn’t shy away from taking on the misinformation and scare tactics of the government.  In his most recent video, he pointed out the silliness of Biden suggesting we all need boosters, and said “If Trump had said it, the left would have lost their minds.  Biden says it and we’re all ‘Yeah, ok’.”  

    Very entertaining.  Very interesting.

     

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    Dominique Prynne (View Comment):

    Yes, and I am certain that Fauci’s hand is all over it. I beleive we will find that he was a major proponent of the GOF research. He should be in a Federal Supermax, not at the podium at every press conference. Trump put the fox in charge of the henhouse who then used his position to mis-direct the inquiries.

    Fauci should be spending his days in Terre Haute, ideally in the same cell that held Tim McVeigh.

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  24. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    At this point the burden is on the Chinese government to prove the virus did not escape from the Wuhan lab.  With the original SARS virus in 2002 they were able to find the animal source within a couple of months.  If it was “natural” we would know by now.  In fact, the government is no longer even going through the motions to “find” a natural source and is now claiming Covid originated in the U.S. military lab at Fort Dietrich.

    In early 2020 we were told the Wuhan lab was established after SARS and in that city because it was near the origin point of those types of coronaviruses and that the original Covid cases occurred in conjunction with a wet market.  All of that was inaccurate (or lies, if you prefer).  The Wuhan lab was established pre-SARS and is hundreds of miles away from the natural source of the viruses which are brought to the lab for study.  And the first cases were not linked with the wet market, instead occurring near the lab.

    I do not think it was a bioengineered weapon deliberately released by China and have seen scant evidence of that.

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  25. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    As to the U.S. agencies and their roles I think it important to distinguish between the CDC and the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) which is Fauci’s fiefdom.  I attribute the disastrous performance of the CDC to a combination of bureaucracy and incompetence.  Fauci is another matter.  It is now clear that, since early 2020, Fauci and the EcoHealth Alliance, through which NIAID funds were funneled to the Wuhan lab, have feared their activities may have contributed to this disaster and  worked diligently to cover up any connection between them and Wuhan and mislead the American public.  For that alone, Fauci should be fired.

    Fauci reminds me of J Edgar Hoover.  Both long-time skillful bureaucrats allowed to stay in powerful positions beyond retirement age because politicians were scared to touch them. Both skilled at intimidating their critics.  Both love the limelight and know how to play the press.  Both idolized uncritically by their fans.

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  26. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    I do not think it was a bioengineered weapon deliberately released by China and have seen scant evidence of that.

    I can’t say whether or not it was deliberately released (and neither can you), but it is a deliberately created, bioengineered weapon that has killed hundreds of thousands whether it was intended for that purpose or not – a fact that was lied about and covered up by just about everyone involved with it except for a few Chinese defectors. A lie that would still be covered up but for a FOIA release over a year later. 

     

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  27. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):
    I do not think it was a bioengineered weapon deliberately released by China and have seen scant evidence of that.

    I can’t say whether or not it was deliberately released (and neither can you), but it is a deliberately created, bioengineered weapon that has killed hundreds of thousands whether it was intended for that purpose or not – a fact that was lied about and covered up by just about everyone involved with it except for a few Chinese defectors. A lie that would still be covered up but for a FOIA release over a year later.

    Nor can you say definitively it was a bioengineered weapon.  By that I mean a virus designed to be use as a biological weapon. I agree the lab-leak hypothesis was lied about and covered up by both the Chinese and Fauci.  The recent FOIA release just adds more detail of what we already knew about Fauci’s role by spring of 2021.

     

     

     

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  28. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    he says that in Trinidad, during the year between April 2020 and April 2021, 145 people died of covid. April 6, 2021 they started mass immunizations, and from April to August 30 2021, there have been 1,022 deaths from covid.

    I would like to see the data on this. Does his video have any references?

    Trinidad got off to a slow start with vaccinations and only 15% of the population was vaccinated by the end of June.  And just a few days ago its Prime Minister expressed his disappointment with the slow uptake of vaccines by the population.  Moreover, most of the vaccine is the Sinopharm variety of dubious quality.

    The Covid surge in Trinidad began in April and peaked in June as you can see from these charts.

    The Delta wave has hit a number of countries that had previously been relatively unaffected by Covid and have lower vaccination rates, particularly in the Caribbean and Southeast Asia where countries like Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and Myanmar are having the U.S. equivalent of 1,000 to 3,000 deaths a day.

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  29. Doctor Robert Member
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    Spin (View Comment):
    I am perfectly fine with Hanlon’s Razor here.  We had been trying to create a virus for many years for the purposes of having a vaccine that would help prevent or mitigate some form of naturally occurring pandemic.  And it got out of hand.  

    Come on, Spin, you’re doing your name.  “We had been trying to create a virus with greater binding to human lung tissue, with greater lethality, with a novel RNA structure that is not seen elsewhere in nature, and still pin in on the bats…”.  C’mon.  It’s like the story of Churchill and the fancy lady haggling over a price.  Once you say or write the words, “We had been trying to create a virus for many years”, you are admitting it is bio warfare.

     

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  30. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):
    I am perfectly fine with Hanlon’s Razor here. We had been trying to create a virus for many years for the purposes of having a vaccine that would help prevent or mitigate some form of naturally occurring pandemic. And it got out of hand.

    Come on, Spin, you’re doing your name. “We had been trying to create a virus with greater binding to human lung tissue, with greater lethality, with a novel RNA structure that is not seen elsewhere in nature, and still pin in on the bats…”. C’mon. It’s like the story of Churchill and the fancy lady haggling over a price. Once you say or write the words, “We had been trying to create a virus for many years”, you are admitting it is bio warfare.

     

    But despite the likelihood of COVID being a bio weapon, I guess it wasn’t scary enough.

    An Australian Quantas pilot states that The WHO’s Tedros is explaining how the Marberg virus is going to replace the COVID pandemic and a vaccine for it is already in the works.

    https://bitchute.com/video/WfmTeqf0zwKy/

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