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Quote of the Day: Time for a Break
The great question that has never been answered, and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is ‘What does a woman want?’ –Sigmund Freud
We are all obsessed with events both domestic and foreign, and it’s difficult to maintain one’s clarity. Some of us have friends and relatives that are directly affected by the most recent chaotic events. But if we are to stay engaged, we sometimes need a break that will give us a chance to breathe, relax and re-center.
So I’m sharing this quote by the great Sigmund Freud for your consideration. I can almost predict at least some of the responses to this quotation. Before anyone even answers, the men will roll their eyes and have visions of a dashboard filled with dials and meters. And the women will laugh and insist they aren’t really that complicated.
But since we all can use a temporary lift out of the doldrums of the most recent horrible events, let’s try to show Sigmund that we’ve got this one covered!
[photo by Adi Goldstein from Unsplash.com]
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Which woman? And which day?
Women want resources. Men want women.
There is some truth in that.
My response is neither. I don’t find Sigmund Freud to be great or even remotely reflective of true human psychology. 95% of everything he’s written or thought upon is crap. No one today takes an Oedipal Complex seriously. All his “psychology” is junk science. It was all anecdotal and supposition with no backing data. Throw anything he has to say into the ash heap of cultural history. He has done more harm than people realize. The fact that he has no idea what women want after all his “study” is an indictment of his work.
So you don’t believe in an unconscious?
How about the idea that humans have motivations they don’t realize?
I would strongly disagree that 95% of what he said was crap. I don’t imagine I’ll change your mind. That is more for the sake of others reading.
I was trying to come up with a reasonable way to respond to @manny, Bryan. Although I’m not a therapist, I know quite a lot about psychology. I know that Freud has taken some hits, but he has contributed a great deal to the field, regardless of those areas that have been discounted. Thanks for speaking up.
You are welcome.
Dr. Jordan Peterson has something to say about this. The stuff Freud got right is taken for granted, and then we just remember what he got wrong.
No Freud, no Adler, no Jung, no psychology.
The unconscious was known before Freud. He didn’t invent that.
Amen. You are one observant Marine.
Read through this. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/freud-was-a-fraud-a-triumph-of-pseudoscience/
You find lots of similar assessments. Google “Why Freud is a fraud.”
Told you I would not change your mind.
I’ll stick with my training and experience, and you stick with the internet , because if it is on the net we know it is true!
That is true. William James talked about the subconscious a lot.
Lewis Pearson’s article in my book on C. S. Lewis and sci-fi explains how Freud got some things right–by borrowing them from Plato and messing them up a bit.
I’m only using the internet to provide a quick and easy proof. But there are credible books written on this.
That’s easy: She wants everything.
The real question is: “When does she want what?”
And to add, does anyone really believe that psychoanalysis does anything? It’s really a joke. Real psychology deals with the chemistry in the brain, not these phony complexes.
Real psychology deals with virtues, not this phony materialism.
Actually, there are studies showing that therapy can change the levels of neurotransmitters in the brain.
But, come out and say it, hoss, you think what I do for a living is bunk. At least be honest about it.
Since you are unwilling to be that straightforward, let me call you out on it. Man enough?
No. In my life I went through 3 periods of short-term therapy (6 mos. or less.) They were very powerful tools for guiding me through some very difficult times. Sorry Mañny but you are ill-informed.
Good Commentary from Dr. Jordan Peterson
Say, Manny, tell me again, what is your training and expertise? How is it you presume to lecture me on my area of expertise? I’d love to see your pedigree.
Please, illuminate me, you wonderful fount of knowledge.
See my post above.
This is actually my area of expertise.
Buddhist mindfulness can rewire the brain too. It can cure OCD, according to Jeffrey Schwartz.
(I don’t really know if I’m agreeing or disagreeing with anyone on this point. But it seems relevant and important.)
I will be off for the Sabbath so please don’t get too carried away. 😊
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Manny (View Comment):
The unconscious was known before Freud. He didn’t invent that.
That is true. William James talked about the subconscious a lot.
Lewis Pearson’s article in my book on C. S. Lewis and sci-fi explains how Freud got some things right–by borrowing them from Plato and messing them up a bit.
It goes way before that. Here:
That’s when the term was created. But if you look closely the concept can be found way before that in literature. Might even go back to Confessions of Augustine, your namesake, but I have a feeling it goes back to Ancient Greek literature and philosophy.
oops, forgot the link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind
Ok, I’m not comfortable with what I said here. It was . . . oversimplified.
But I don’t think it was wrong. Positive psychology (Seligman et al) does look at virtues. I think it’s a nice rediscovery of some stuff in Aristotle.
It does not matter.
People think they have other people figured out. They have it all figured out. I am used to my expertise being ignored. I am also used to people been too cowardly to actually follow through on calling me a fraud personally. I find it pretty pathetic, really. If everything I have been taught is a fraud, and if what I think has worked has all been a delusion, people should say that is what they think to my face.
Of course, if they don’t really think that, then why make the other statements first?
Either way, it show pretty pathetic reasoning and logical thinking. Frankly I respect someone able to tell me they think I am a fraud to my face, more than the person who just hints at it and insinuates it. That is passive aggressive. Not the act of a real man.
I’m pretty sure I saw it. Probably clicked “Like.”
I’m not saying Freud didn’t contribute to human knowledge–I’m just saying that he wasn’t the first to discover the subconscious, and that Lewis Pearson said that stuff about Freud and Plato.
That’s been my experience. Not the OCD part, but changing the prefrontal lobe which increases feelings of well-being.
Manny (View Comment):
The unconscious was known before Freud. He didn’t invent that.
That is true. William James talked about the subconscious a lot.
Lewis Pearson’s article in my book on C. S. Lewis and sci-fi explains how Freud got some things right–by borrowing them from Plato and messing them up a bit.
Without Freud, we would not have psychology. Like many great people, he took old ideas and moved the forward.
No I definitely don’t think what you do is bunk. It’s just not derived from Freudian psychology. There are a bunch of psychologists that came after Freud that began to understand habit and trauma way better than Freud. Freud talks about these innate drives which causes personality and dysfunctions. Nonsense. Someone like BF Skinner (I think since it’s been ages since I studied this) found that events, chemistry such as alcohol and drugs, and circumstances drive psychological problems.