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  1. Mike LaRoche Inactive
    Mike LaRoche
    @MikeLaRoche

    Jolly good!

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Heck, that is the loveliest headline I have seen on either side of the pond for a while!

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Union jack: hugely symbolic.

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  4. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Wow, hold on this is going to be a wild ride.

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  5. goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    I have so hoped that the British public would wake up and vote Brexit. The EU started out, and made sense, as an economic cooperative but has morphed into a political power movement with a trending loss of identity and culture among member countries. International socialist and one world rule advocate George Soros has spent huge amounts trying to defeat Brexit.

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  6. David Sussman Member
    David Sussman
    @DaveSussman

    Anecdotally, my mostly left-of-center British friends and family all support Brexit. They are terrified of England becoming another Germany and certainly don’t want to pay for it.

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  7. Marion Evans Inactive
    Marion Evans
    @MarionEvans

    David Sussman:Anecdotally, my mostly left-of-center British friends and family all support Brexit. They are terrified of England becoming another Germany and certainly don’t want to pay for it.

    Really? Terrified of becoming another Germany? Is that the worst that can happen to a country?

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  8. Robert Lux Inactive
    Robert Lux
    @RobertLux

    Well we know Claire Berlinski won’t welcome it  — Ricochet’s “conservative” who does not believe in national sovereignty and believes the nation-state was Europe’s unmitigated disaster (her very words)….

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  9. Umbra Fractus Inactive
    Umbra Fractus
    @UmbraFractus

    Three cheers for the radical notion that British policy should be made in London.

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  10. David Sussman Member
    David Sussman
    @DaveSussman

    Marion Evans:

    David Sussman:Anecdotally, my mostly left-of-center British friends and family all support Brexit. They are terrified of England becoming another Germany and certainly don’t want to pay for it.

    Really? Terrified of becoming another Germany? Is that the worst that can happen to a country?

    Not sure I understand the question Marion. Germany’s policy of allowing 1 million refugees into a country of 80 million has caused even the most compassionate (incl. the Dalai Lama) to question their efficacy. GB want’s nothing to do with it.

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  11. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    David Sussman:Anecdotally, my mostly left-of-center British friends and family all support Brexit. They are terrified of England becoming another Germany and certainly don’t want to pay for it.

    Please pass along that your far right of center friends in America are terrified of becoming another Germany and certainly don’t want to pay for it.

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  12. She Member
    She
    @She

    Oh, I hope that’s true.

    And that the Brits are using the same logic as many American voters have embraced this year:

    We know what the next century will be like if we stay in the EU.

    We don’t know if things will be better if we bail, but they might, and we might get it right some of the time . . .

    It strikes me that all the fear mongering about what will happen if the UK leaves the EU merely demonstrates how very weakened being in it has made her.  As is true of many things, “better out than in” might be the order of the day.

    Fingers crossed.

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  13. John Seymour Member
    John Seymour
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    Marion Evans:

    David Sussman:Anecdotally, my mostly left-of-center British friends and family all support Brexit. They are terrified of England becoming another Germany and certainly don’t want to pay for it.

    Really? Terrified of becoming another Germany? Is that the worst that can happen to a country?

    From the Leftist point of view, Greece would be a success story if it wasn’t for Germany.

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  14. Merina Smith Inactive
    Merina Smith
    @MerinaSmith

    Thanks.  A bright spot in the ongoing political nightmare.

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  15. Umbra Fractus Inactive
    Umbra Fractus
    @UmbraFractus

    She:Oh, I hope that’s true.

    And that the Brits are using the same logic as many American voters have embraced this year:

    We know what the next century will be like if we stay in the EU.

    We don’t know if things will be better if we bail, but they might, and we might get it right some of the time . . .

    It strikes me that all the fear mongering about what will happen if the UK leaves the EU merely demonstrates how very weakened being in it has made her. As is true of many things, “better out than in” might be the order of the day.

    Fingers crossed.

    Like the American election one side can offer no positive reasons for their position, only fear of the alternative. It’s not convincing in either case.

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  16. Locke On Member
    Locke On
    @LockeOn

    Good for them.  I never could understand why the Mother Country wanted to hand over sovereignty to unelected frog and Hun bureaucrats, after defending it in fair fight against both.

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  17. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    John Seymour:

    Marion Evans:

    David Sussman:Anecdotally, my mostly left-of-center British friends and family all support Brexit. They are terrified of England becoming another Germany and certainly don’t want to pay for it.

    Really? Terrified of becoming another Germany? Is that the worst that can happen to a country?

    From the Leftist point of view, Greece would be a success story if it wasn’t for Germany.

    I think you are giving Greece way too much credit, but agree that the Euro Currency is a short-term anchor chain to Greece and a catapult for Germany.

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  18. Penfold Member
    Penfold
    @Penfold

    >unelected frog and Hun bureaucrats,

    Frogs?  By this I assume you mean French.  Dear me, what would Hercule Poirot say?

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  19. Marion Evans Inactive
    Marion Evans
    @MarionEvans

    David Sussman:

    Marion Evans:

    David Sussman:Anecdotally, my mostly left-of-center British friends and family all support Brexit. They are terrified of England becoming another Germany and certainly don’t want to pay for it.

    Really? Terrified of becoming another Germany? Is that the worst that can happen to a country?

    Not sure I understand the question Marion. Germany’s policy of allowing 1 million refugees into a country of 80 million has caused even the most compassionate (incl. the Dalai Lama) to question their efficacy. GB want’s nothing to do with it.

    Ah that part, I understand.

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  20. James Gawron Inactive
    James Gawron
    @JamesGawron

    Peter,

    YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Regards,

    Jim

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  21. James Gawron Inactive
    James Gawron
    @JamesGawron

    Peter,

    Rule Britannia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Regards,

    Jim

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  22. James Gawron Inactive
    James Gawron
    @JamesGawron

    Peter,

    We are all united by one thought.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  23. James Gawron Inactive
    James Gawron
    @JamesGawron

    She:Oh, I hope that’s true.

    And that the Brits are using the same logic as many American voters have embraced this year:

    We know what the next century will be like if we stay in the EU.

    We don’t know if things will be better if we bail, but they might, and we might get it right some of the time . . .

    It strikes me that all the fear mongering about what will happen if the UK leaves the EU merely demonstrates how very weakened being in it has made her. As is true of many things, “better out than in” might be the order of the day.

    Fingers crossed.

    She,

    That’s my Englishwoman talking.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  24. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    That’s good, but will it do any good?  The EU has a history of ignoring the results of referendums it doesn’t like. I wouldn’t be surprised if the British government ignores it, too. This is a country that threw the rule of law down the toilet by enacting ASBOs.

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  25. James Gawron Inactive
    James Gawron
    @JamesGawron

    The Reticulator:That’s good, but will it do any good? The EU has a history of ignoring the results of referendums it doesn’t like. I wouldn’t be surprised if the British government ignores it, too. This is a country that threw the rule of law down the toilet by enacting ASBOs.

    Ret,

    Thanks for the heads up. At least the attitude towards Cameron is to take the gloves off. That’s from inside the Tories too.

    Tory Knives are Out for Cameron: ‘I Want to Stab Him In the Front So I Can See His Face’

    If he loses his Parliamentary majority he’ll go down over Brexit.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  26. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

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  27. Roberto Inactive
    Roberto
    @Roberto

    The FT polling has consistently had the Stay in option in the lead for months now, if only by a nose. Unless the undecided voters are truly, decisively breaking towards Leave option I rather suspect this one goes down to the wire.

    Untitled

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  28. Tenacious D Inactive
    Tenacious D
    @TenaciousD

    For what it’s worth, Brexit is currently at 29% at PredictIt (but trending up).

    https://www.predictit.org/Contract/784/Will-the-UK-vote-to-leave-the-EU-by-year-end-2016#data

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  29. She Member
    She
    @She

    Umbra Fractus:

    She:Oh, I hope that’s true.

    And that the Brits are using the same logic as many American voters have embraced this year:

    We know what the next century will be like if we stay in the EU.

    We don’t know if things will be better if we bail, but they might, and we might get it right some of the time . . .

    It strikes me that all the fear mongering about what will happen if the UK leaves the EU merely demonstrates how very weakened being in it has made her. As is true of many things, “better out than in” might be the order of the day.

    Fingers crossed.

    Like the American election one side can offer no positive reasons for their position, only fear of the alternative. It’s not convincing in either case.

    Convincing, or not, one side will win, and the other side will lose. This one really is an A-B choice.

    And there are many positive reasons for bailing on the EU, as can be seen in a quick whip-through of just about any reputable search engine.

    The reasons for voting on the Remainian side amount to something like “we need Europe to help us make better deals with the US and China, and to protect us from ourselves (so we don’t get injured in things like cheese-rolling, or pancake flipping races), and we need to be sure that no-one can make cheese and call it Camembert unless they’re French, but anyone can make Cheddar and that’s OK (because we’re British and we don’t make a fuss about things like that, it just isn’t done), and we need to be sure to share equally in the upkeep of the millions of transient and migrant young men with unspecified political agendas who are infesting the shores of our European brethren and sistren, allowing them into our country, while providing them immediate and equal access to all the same benefits as our citizens, and gifting them with housing and a stipend that they can send the money back to their families overseas, at the same time as we only sell bananas that have a proper curve to them, and while we pay through the nose to support half-a-dozen countries who can’t make it on their own and really shouldn’t be in the EU in the first place.  So, vote for the status quo!”

    And that’s the ‘positive’ argument.  Which, if you think of it, is pretty scary all by itself.

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  30. Umbra Fractus Inactive
    Umbra Fractus
    @UmbraFractus

    She: And there are many positive reasons for bailing on the EU, as can be seen in a quick whip-through of just about any reputable search engine.

    I believe you have me pegged for the wrong side here.

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