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On a website devoted to debate (civil, mind you), we can all agree that politics is not the arena for shrinking violets. Who better to remind us of this fact than the former governor of the Garden State, Chris Christie? He gives us the lowdown on his successes in a Blue State and his thoughts on how Republicans need to keep their eye on the prize. Even with the mention of “Christie Porn,” we promise listeners a PG-rated podcast.

Also, the regular gang go from the economic blockage to “Let’s Go Brandon,” from intellectuals talking about third parties to Captain Kirk back in space. (Well, kinda-space if you wanna get technical.)

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  1. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Spin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Q: What do you call someone who supports Trump 99% of the time?

    A: A RINO traitor who has stabbed Trump in the back.

    This is exactly the problem. As I’ve said so often, the full-throated Trump supporters will brook no criticism whatsoever of Donaldus Magnus. They’ll give a nod to his faults, wave them away with “…but who doesn’t”, then make personal attacks against the individual criticizing Trump. Criticize Trump at all and you become The Enemy. No better than a Democrat. A “corporate Republican.”

    When do we get past this?

    Not until both sides of this civil war stop saying “I’ll stop being the way I am, when they stop being the way they are…”

    Spin, I want to get past this stuff, too.  However, the fault is not exclusively on the pro-Trump side.  Christie said some things that were a poke in the eye to fans of Trump.  He also said a lot of helpful and useful things.

    I’m not trying to point the finger at Christie, either.  It’s a cycle, and we need to break out of it.

    As a father of four, I’ve seen this sort of thing before.  It’s not helpful to try to litigate who started it this time.  We just have to stop it, somehow.

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    . . .

    While I appreciate the effort, the fact that you have to explain, parse, rationalize, and spin these two short statements in such detail pretty much makes my point: Trump’s sloppy, shoot first explain later style of rhetoric constantly leaves him open to misinterpretation or second guessing.

    I prefer politicians (and people) who speak directly, plainly, and with precision. You know, like the guy in this interview.

    I see it differently. I find it troubling that I have to rebut what looks, to me, like an unfair Left-wing mischaracterization of what Trump said. This has been happening since Charlottesville, at least.

    I find it much more troubling when I’m rebutting such a characterization not from some Left-wing outlet, but from a fellow conservative and Republican.

    This illustrates the difficulty of bridging the divide. In this case, it was Christie who started it. He mischaracterized what Trump had said. You defended him, and I defended Trump, and here we are once again, divided when we should be united.

    So I think that it turns out that it was the guy in the video who failed. He was careless, and maligned a popular Republican figure, when he could have been more careful. He could have spoken with precision, in a way that would have been uniting.

    I know that it is a difficult job. I liked the podcast, and I continue to like Chris Christie. I’d like to see him up his game.

    Seems to me it’s the Never Trump type who keep dragging Trump into things, especially when they say they won’t ever vote for anyone “Trumpy” in the future.  The rest of us can move along with the right POLICIES – which just happened to be actually implemented more by Trump than by previous GOPe candidates/presidents – but we keep getting dragged back.

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  3. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Q: What do you call someone who supports Trump 99% of the time?

    A: A RINO traitor who has stabbed Trump in the back.

    This is exactly the problem. As I’ve said so often, the full-throated Trump supporters will brook no criticism whatsoever of Donaldus Magnus. They’ll give a nod to his faults, wave them away with “…but who doesn’t”, then make personal attacks against the individual criticizing Trump. Criticize Trump at all and you become The Enemy. No better than a Democrat. A “corporate Republican.”

    When do we get past this?

    Not until both sides of this civil war stop saying “I’ll stop being the way I am, when they stop being the way they are…”

    Spin, I want to get past this stuff, too. However, the fault is not exclusively on the pro-Trump side. Christie said some things that were a poke in the eye to fans of Trump. He also said a lot of helpful and useful things.

    I’m not trying to point the finger at Christie, either. It’s a cycle, and we need to break out of it.

    As a father of four, I’ve seen this sort of thing before. It’s not helpful to try to litigate who started it this time. We just have to stop it, somehow.

    The fault is exclusively on the N-T side. Stop being useful idiots of the Left. If you find yourself on the same side of an issue as Nancy Pelosi …. STOP.🛑

    • #93
  4. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Q: What do you call someone who supports Trump 99% of the time?

    A: A RINO traitor who has stabbed Trump in the back.

    This is exactly the problem. As I’ve said so often, the full-throated Trump supporters will brook no criticism whatsoever of Donaldus Magnus. They’ll give a nod to his faults, wave them away with “…but who doesn’t”, then make personal attacks against the individual criticizing Trump. Criticize Trump at all and you become The Enemy. No better than a Democrat. A “corporate Republican.”

    When do we get past this?

    Not until both sides of this civil war stop saying “I’ll stop being the way I am, when they stop being the way they are…”

    Spin, I want to get past this stuff, too. However, the fault is not exclusively on the pro-Trump side. Christie said some things that were a poke in the eye to fans of Trump. He also said a lot of helpful and useful things.

    I’m not trying to point the finger at Christie, either. It’s a cycle, and we need to break out of it.

    As a father of four, I’ve seen this sort of thing before. It’s not helpful to try to litigate who started it this time. We just have to stop it, somehow.

     

    Even Newt, who could be an alternative to Trump, was rejected by the Establishment gOp. Look how foolish he looks when he gives the dems and SanFranNan the benefit of the doubt. This is the mistake that GOP, Inc. keeps on making. Your core base is DONE.

    • #94
  5. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    DonG (CAGW is a hoax) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Well….

    Some folks are going be very sad when Trump gets his 3-peat.

    Trump, or his Apprentice!

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  6. Peter Robinson Contributor
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    @PeterRobinson

    • #96
  7. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    “I felt the hand of Providence.”

    Preach it, Brother Robinson!!

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  8. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
    @BrianWatt

    Christie is political roadkill and has no future on the national stage, though it’s obvious he is still impressed with himself…and apparently the Ricochet luminaries believe he is an important voice to listen to for his ability to heal our nation or stand athwart the socialist juggernaut. Okay. Sure. You go with that.  And yes, I listened to the podcast – before anyone asks – and found the Christie segment predictable and tedious.

    Who’s next for the Ricochet podcast? John Kasich? Jeb!? George Will? Billy Kristol? Mona Charen? Adam Kinzinger? Liz Cheney? My heart is all aflutter.

    • #98
  9. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Christie is political roadkill and has no future on the national stage, though it’s obvious he is still impressed with himself…and apparently the Ricochet luminaries believe he is an important voice to listen to for his ability to heal our nation or stand athwart the socialist juggernaut. Okay. Sure. You go with that. And yes, I listened to the podcast – before anyone asks – and found the Christie segment predictable and tedious.

    Who’s next for the Ricochet podcast? John Kasich? Jeb!? George Will? Billy Kristol? Mona Charen? Adam Kinzinger? Liz Cheney? My heart is all aflutter.

    You have expressed my feelings … in a much better and clever way than I ever could!

    • #99
  10. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Christie is political roadkill and has no future on the national stage, though it’s obvious he is still impressed with himself…and apparently the Ricochet luminaries believe he is an important voice to listen to for his ability to heal our nation or stand athwart the socialist juggernaut. Okay. Sure. You go with that. And yes, I listened to the podcast – before anyone asks – and found the Christie segment predictable and tedious.

    Who’s next for the Ricochet podcast? John Kasich? Jeb!? George Will? Billy Kristol? Mona Charen? Adam Kinzinger? Liz Cheney? My heart is all aflutter.

    JEB! was on the “flagship” a few weeks ago.  I skipped over his part too, as I did with Christie.

    And they at least “mirror” if not author/produce/whatever another podcast that I believe has had both George Will and Liz Cheney recently.  Maybe others from your list too, although I don’t pay attention to those podcasts and so would only see it if I happened to see them on the Main Feed page or something, while looking for something else.

    • #100
  11. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    p.s. Did you know that Kasich’s Dad was a Postman?

    Please clap

    • #101
  12. OwnedByDogs Lincoln
    OwnedByDogs
    @JuliaBlaschke

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    The difference is that I give Trump the benefit of the doubt, while you appear to have opted for the more negative interpretation of both statements.

    I don’t know how anyone can give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But what he meant doesn’t really matter. What he said in those two instances is damaging in the extreme.

    • #102
  13. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    The difference is that I give Trump the benefit of the doubt, while you appear to have opted for the more negative interpretation of both statements.

    I don’t know how anyone can give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But what he meant doesn’t really matter. What he said in those two instances is damaging in the extreme.

    And that’s how you get Brandon.

    • #103
  14. OwnedByDogs Lincoln
    OwnedByDogs
    @JuliaBlaschke

    kedavis (View Comment):

    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    The difference is that I give Trump the benefit of the doubt, while you appear to have opted for the more negative interpretation of both statements.

    I don’t know how anyone can give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But what he meant doesn’t really matter. What he said in those two instances is damaging in the extreme.

    And that’s how you get Brandon.

    Yes and we will get Brandon or someone worse in 2024 and lose the house and the senate in 2022 and probably get McAwful in VA in 2021 if Trump doesn’t go away.

    • #104
  15. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    The difference is that I give Trump the benefit of the doubt, while you appear to have opted for the more negative interpretation of both statements.

    I don’t know how anyone can give Trump the benefit of the doubt. But what he meant doesn’t really matter. What he said in those two instances is damaging in the extreme.

    And that’s how you get Brandon.

    Yes and we will get Brandon or someone worse in 2024 and lose the house and the senate in 2022 and probably get McAwful in VA in 2021 if Trump doesn’t go away.

    Only if some people don’t start to understand that their (over-)reaction to Trump, not Trump himself, is the actual problem.

    • #105
  16. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
    @BrianWatt

    • #106
  17. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
    @BrianWatt

    I miss the inconsequential 2016 Chris Christie more than the current inconsequential Chris Christie.

    • #107
  18. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    But they will still need Republican minorities in Congress and plausible-looking “polite loser” Republican Presidential candidates, to maintain the appearance of democracy.

    And it’s so nice to give the irrelevant, polite losers an arena to show us the way.

    Yes, and speaking of losers — can you remind me under who’s administration R’s lost control of the House, the Senate, and the White House over the past 4 years?

    Do you guys ever think about what you write or do you typically only say it to people you know already agree with you? Because this is too easy.

    Yes, and speaking of winners, can you name the one and only Republican Presidential candidate who managed to break through in the age of Social Media and Big Tech? Hint: In spite of grotesquely biased news coverage, constant attacks by fake conservatives, as well as outright censorship by the media monopolies, he nearly repeated the trick four years later.

    While supposedly losing the election*, Trump’s coattails almost gave back Republicans the House; and in spite of everything the Senate is 50-50. Democrats expected big gains in both.

    When they shut him down, Trump had 89 million Twitter followers. Has any other Republican leader made one-tenth of that?

    *Mollie Hemingway‘s new book chronicles some of the Democrats’ innovative ways to fix elections.

    And he made major inroads in minority votes, something which Gary and many others appear to be willing to give back just so it’s not Trump – or anyone “Trumpy” – again.

    And if he had any self-control over his mouth and his keyboard, he’d be President right now. 

    I know, I know — it’s somebody else’s fault he lost. It always is because as I have pointed out many times, the First Rule of Trump is: nothing is his fault. 

    It’s worked wonders for him. 

    • #108
  19. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    If you still think that’s a bogus claim then I dare you to have a conversation about it with people who don’t already agree with you about it.

    I daaaaaare you.

     

    We have on a regular basis and we will again. But in the meantime, I encourage you to start your own podcast and show us rubes how it’s done.  Clearly, you have identified a hole in the marketplace since you have made it your business to show up in the comments of our shows to tell us how terrible we are at this.  Put up or shut up, Vince!

    • #109
  20. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Columbo (View Comment):
    He is pathetic. Vain and without principle. Who else do you know who hugs 0bama and Trump like this? And then he continues to stab President Trump in the back.

    Stabbed him in the back? Lol. 

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  21. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
    @BrianWatt

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    But they will still need Republican minorities in Congress and plausible-looking “polite loser” Republican Presidential candidates, to maintain the appearance of democracy.

    And it’s so nice to give the irrelevant, polite losers an arena to show us the way.

    Yes, and speaking of losers — can you remind me under who’s administration R’s lost control of the House, the Senate, and the White House over the past 4 years?

    Do you guys ever think about what you write or do you typically only say it to people you know already agree with you? Because this is too easy.

    Yes, and speaking of winners, can you name the one and only Republican Presidential candidate who managed to break through in the age of Social Media and Big Tech? Hint: In spite of grotesquely biased news coverage, constant attacks by fake conservatives, as well as outright censorship by the media monopolies, he nearly repeated the trick four years later.

    While supposedly losing the election*, Trump’s coattails almost gave back Republicans the House; and in spite of everything the Senate is 50-50. Democrats expected big gains in both.

    When they shut him down, Trump had 89 million Twitter followers. Has any other Republican leader made one-tenth of that?

    *Mollie Hemingway‘s new book chronicles some of the Democrats’ innovative ways to fix elections.

    And he made major inroads in minority votes, something which Gary and many others appear to be willing to give back just so it’s not Trump – or anyone “Trumpy” – again.

    And if he had any self-control over his mouth and his keyboard, he’d be President right now.

    I know, I know — it’s somebody else’s fault he lost. It always is because as I have pointed out many times, the First Rule of Trump is: nothing is his fault.

    It’s worked wonders for him.

    So, the strategy going forward to unify the GOP so it makes gains nationally and in the states is to continue to hurl insults at Donald Trump and his millions of followers? Good luck with that.

    • #111
  22. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Q: What do you call a self-proclaimed Republican who discounts the concept that democrats lie, cheat and steal elections with fake mail-in ballots.

    A: A loser, who will never win another election and a useful idiot RINO traitor who stabbed his country and party in the back.

    Golly, why hasn’t the legal brain trust of Giuliani and Powell and the election auditing skills of the Cyber Ninjas (among others) been able to prove one iota of what you’re claiming. 

    Why it’s a mystery fit for Detective Columbo to solve. Have at it, Lieutenant!

     

     

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  23. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    I find it much more troubling when I’m rebutting such a characterization not from some Left-wing outlet, but from a fellow conservative and Republican.

    You’re missing the forest for the trees: what you should be troubled about is that your guy so often makes statements that are open to misinterpretation or misunderstanding.

    I think he meant exactly what he said and my interpretation of it is correct. Because he has not changed or revised either statement since he made them. 

    • #113
  24. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Who’s next for the Ricochet podcast? John Kasich? Jeb!? George Will? Billy Kristol? Mona Charen? Adam Kinzinger? Liz Cheney? My heart is all aflutter.

    Please start your own podcast and show us how it’s done. Please? 

    • #114
  25. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    So, the strategy going forward to unify the GOP so it makes gains nationally and in the states is to continue to hurl insults at Donald Trump and his millions of followers? Good luck with that.

    Never said that. But if a unified GOP is the goal, will we see a certain former President/future candidate take the lead on not hurling insults? Because that seems to be his brand. 

    It’s a two way street, Brian. And the street is not called Trump Blvd. 

    • #115
  26. OwnedByDogs Lincoln
    OwnedByDogs
    @JuliaBlaschke

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Only if some people don’t start to understand that their (over-)reaction to Trump, not Trump himself, is the actual problem.

    Rubbish.

    • #116
  27. OwnedByDogs Lincoln
    OwnedByDogs
    @JuliaBlaschke

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Joke all you want but we would have won in Georgia if not for Trump’s BS.

    • #117
  28. OwnedByDogs Lincoln
    OwnedByDogs
    @JuliaBlaschke

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    So, the strategy going forward to unify the GOP so it makes gains nationally and in the states is to continue to hurl insults at Donald Trump and his millions of followers? Good luck with that.

    There can be no strategy unless Trump goes away. If he doesn’t? We all lose.

    • #118
  29. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    If you still think that’s a bogus claim then I dare you to have a conversation about it with people who don’t already agree with you about it.

    I daaaaaare you.

    We have on a regular basis and we will again.

    Really? I must have missed the Jovan  Pulitzer podcast. I gave you three names, I could have given you more. You’re afraid of all of them.

    But in the meantime, I encourage you to start your own podcast and show us rubes how it’s done.

    Steve Bannon, and Max McGuire are already doing this rather effectively.

    Clearly, you have identified a hole in the marketplace since you have made it your business to show up in the comments of our shows to tell us how terrible we are at. Put up or shut up, Vince!

    The market isn’t absent conservative conversations and voices, it’s full of them, they’re just not on your podcast.

    I keep driving the Main Page to see if you’ve restored it yet, and sadly drive away shaking my head at what you’ve done with the place.

    • #119
  30. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Joke all you want but we would have won in Georgia if not for Trump’s BS.

    Assuming facts not in evidence, especially considering what has already been proven about vote fraud in Georgia.

    • #120
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