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On a website devoted to debate (civil, mind you), we can all agree that politics is not the arena for shrinking violets. Who better to remind us of this fact than the former governor of the Garden State, Chris Christie? He gives us the lowdown on his successes in a Blue State and his thoughts on how Republicans need to keep their eye on the prize. Even with the mention of “Christie Porn,” we promise listeners a PG-rated podcast.

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  1. KeithPreston Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    I just rejoined Ricochet after leaving during the 2016 election. I’m dismayed that the same T vs. NT discussions are going on here. Really? Really? <face palm>

    You thought things would calm down after what happened in last year’s election? Really? Really? <face palm>

    fair nuff.  We just can’t afford such vicious schisms today…or our nation is lost.

    BTW, listened to the podcast with Christie.  The swamp doesn’t know that it’s swamp.  Poor Chris…even though “please clap” was at a Jeb! rally, most of these swamp creatures don’t realize that their “sell by” date is over.  I voted for Trump twice.  I would vote for him again if he’s the nominee…I would RATHER vote for someone with less baggage like DeSantis.  But IN THE END, Republican primary voters will make this decision. 

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  2. OwnedByDogs Lincoln
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    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    I just rejoined Ricochet after leaving during the 2016 election. I’m dismayed that the same T vs. NT discussions are going on here. Really? Really? <face palm>

    You thought things would calm down after what happened in last year’s election? Really? Really? <face palm>

    fair nuff. We just can’t afford such vicious schisms today…or our nation is lost.

    BTW, listened to the podcast with Christie. The swamp doesn’t know that it’s swamp. Poor Chris…even though “please clap” was at a Jeb! rally, most of these swamp creatures don’t realize that their “sell by” date is over. I voted for Trump twice. I would vote for him again if he’s the nominee…I would RATHER vote for someone with less baggage like DeSantis. But IN THE END, Republican primary voters will make this decision.

    I certainly don’t think Christie could win. Talk about baggage. But Desantis could win. But he won’t get a chance to win if in the end, Republican primary voters make the WRONG decision. I don’t think Desantis would even try if Trump is running.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    I just rejoined Ricochet after leaving during the 2016 election. I’m dismayed that the same T vs. NT discussions are going on here. Really? Really? <face palm>

    You thought things would calm down after what happened in last year’s election? Really? Really? <face palm>

    fair nuff. We just can’t afford such vicious schisms today…or our nation is lost.

    BTW, listened to the podcast with Christie. The swamp doesn’t know that it’s swamp. Poor Chris…even though “please clap” was at a Jeb! rally, most of these swamp creatures don’t realize that their “sell by” date is over. I voted for Trump twice. I would vote for him again if he’s the nominee…I would RATHER vote for someone with less baggage like DeSantis. But IN THE END, Republican primary voters will make this decision.

    Sorry to bring them up again, but the NT-ers and fellow travelers blame the schism on the 95%-or-more of us who won’t go along with the 5%-or-less of them.

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  4. KeithPreston Coolidge
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    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    I certainly don’t think Christie could win. Talk about baggage. But Desantis could win. But he won’t get a chance to win if in the end, Republican primary voters make the WRONG decision. I don’t think Desantis would even try if Trump is running.

    yes, if so, I would think that sad.  I have a sense the two talk…they ARE in the same state.  I was most dismayed to hear of DS’ wife’s diagnosis.  I hope they feel it’s treatable.  So far, DeSantis seems to have the right policies without the “baggage.”  Lincoln often used to make small steps in his decisions because he said, “things may change.”  Let’s see what happens over the next 24 months.

    • #154
  5. Spin Inactive
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    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    I just rejoined Ricochet after leaving during the 2016 election. I’m dismayed that the same T vs. NT discussions are going on here. Really? Really? <face palm>

    Agreed.  Let’s make it better…

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    He added that Never Trump Republicans’ obsession with opposing the former president is doing more harm to the GOP than good.

    “I think their problem is this: that once you have this personal fixation on Trump and once his policies have brought prosperity and security to America and to the United States in general whether at home and abroad … then you’ve got to explain, that’s very difficult to do, why you reject policies that you had told people were essential your whole life and suddenly they’re not essential, they’re toxic because somebody’s fingerprints are on them. I think they weren’t able to do that successfully and they’re not now. … This NeverTrump megaphone in the journals and a lot of the think tanks was not very successful politically.”

    “I liked a lot of the Never Trumpers so I just wish that they could, for a moment, step out of their orbit and see that they’re hurting themselves,” Hanson said.

     

     

     

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  7. Spin Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    I just rejoined Ricochet after leaving during the 2016 election. I’m dismayed that the same T vs. NT discussions are going on here. Really? Really? <face palm>

    You thought things would calm down after what happened in last year’s election? Really? Really? <face palm>

    fair nuff. We just can’t afford such vicious schisms today…or our nation is lost.

    BTW, listened to the podcast with Christie. The swamp doesn’t know that it’s swamp. Poor Chris…even though “please clap” was at a Jeb! rally, most of these swamp creatures don’t realize that their “sell by” date is over. I voted for Trump twice. I would vote for him again if he’s the nominee…I would RATHER vote for someone with less baggage like DeSantis. But IN THE END, Republican primary voters will make this decision.

    Sorry to bring them up again, but the NT-ers and fellow travelers blame the schism on the 95%-or-more of us who won’t go along with the 5%-or-less of them.

    As a FANT (former Almost Never Trumper), I blame the schism on both y’all. 

    • #157
  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Spin (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    KeithPreston (View Comment):

    I just rejoined Ricochet after leaving during the 2016 election. I’m dismayed that the same T vs. NT discussions are going on here. Really? Really? <face palm>

    You thought things would calm down after what happened in last year’s election? Really? Really? <face palm>

    fair nuff. We just can’t afford such vicious schisms today…or our nation is lost.

    BTW, listened to the podcast with Christie. The swamp doesn’t know that it’s swamp. Poor Chris…even though “please clap” was at a Jeb! rally, most of these swamp creatures don’t realize that their “sell by” date is over. I voted for Trump twice. I would vote for him again if he’s the nominee…I would RATHER vote for someone with less baggage like DeSantis. But IN THE END, Republican primary voters will make this decision.

    Sorry to bring them up again, but the NT-ers and fellow travelers blame the schism on the 95%-or-more of us who won’t go along with the 5%-or-less of them.

    As a FANT (former Almost Never Trumper), I blame the schism on both y’all.

    The 95%+ actually have quite a bit of flexibility, the 5%- don’t.  They won’t support or vote for anyone they consider “Trumpy.”

    • #158
  9. Taras Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Taras (View Comment):
    But they will still need Republican minorities in Congress and plausible-looking “polite loser” Republican Presidential candidates, to maintain the appearance of democracy.

    And it’s so nice to give the irrelevant, polite losers an arena to show us the way.

    Yes, and speaking of losers — can you remind me under who’s administration R’s lost control of the House, the Senate, and the White House over the past 4 years?

    Do you guys ever think about what you write or do you typically only say it to people you know already agree with you? Because this is too easy.

    Yes, and speaking of winners, can you name the one and only Republican Presidential candidate who managed to break through in the age of Social Media and Big Tech? Hint: In spite of grotesquely biased news coverage, constant attacks by fake conservatives, as well as outright censorship by the media monopolies, he nearly repeated the trick four years later.

    While supposedly losing the election*, Trump’s coattails almost gave back Republicans the House; and in spite of everything the Senate is 50-50. Democrats expected big gains in both.

    When they shut him down, Trump had 89 million Twitter followers. Has any other Republican leader made one-tenth of that?

    *Mollie Hemingway‘s new book chronicles some of the Democrats’ innovative ways to fix elections.

    Well…. [a long pause while was the hallmark of the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century], the Internet had not been invented back when Reagan was President. However, I suggest that you review the results of the popular vote of the last 4 Republican presidents who ran twice.

    George H.W. Bush won by a net 2 1/2 million votes.

    George W. Bush won by a net 3 million votes.

    Trump lost by 10 million votes.

    Reagan won by 25 million votes.

    The Republican umm, jerk, lost by 10 million votes; the gentlemen won out net; and the man who reached out with a smile to our better angels, went right over the hostile press of the day, and had two landslide victories.

    Gary, your Ronald Reagan Halloween mask is slipping. It’s only Democrats who fantasize that the Constitutionally meaningless “national popular vote” has any significance.  And adding together these meaningless numbers makes them even more farcical — and serves to conceal Dubya‘s popular vote loss in 2000.

    Which Presidential candidate got the highest Republican popular vote of all time? Answer: Trump.  Second highest? Answer: Trump.  

    Who are you trying to fool?  People who are too young to remember?  You tell us that “George H.W. Bush won” while Trump lost”.  In reality, Bush won his first election (on Ronald Reagan‘s coattails), and lost his second; while Trump won his first election (on no one‘s coattails), and lost his second.

    Finally, comparing Reagan’s hostile press with Trump‘s is pathetic.

    • #159
  10. James Hageman Coolidge
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    I was eleven the year My World and Welcome to It showed up on TV. I had hoped I wasn’t the only one to love it. Now I’m not so sure…

    • #160
  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    James Hageman (View Comment):

    I was eleven the year My World and Welcome to It showed up on TV. I had hoped I wasn’t the only one to love it. Now I’m not so sure…

    It was great!

    • #161
  12. Columbo Inactive
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    OwnedByDogs (View Comment):

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    Joke all you want but we would have won in Georgia if not for Trump’s BS.

    How did Trump impact the Senate election? How on earth did both Loeffler and Perdue lose the run offs?

    I Own Atlanta!  

     

    • #162
  13. Taras Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    So, the strategy going forward to unify the GOP so it makes gains nationally and in the states is to continue to hurl insults at Donald Trump and his millions of followers? Good luck with that.

    Never said that. But if a unified GOP is the goal, will we see a certain former President/future candidate take the lead on not hurling insults? Because that seems to be his brand.

    It’s a two way street, Brian. And the street is not called Trump Blvd.

    Pretty sure this is how it works…Trump probably has about 50+ million, maybe since Biden has driven the country into the ground, maybe about 60+ million supporters – those willing to vote for him if the election were held today. […] 

    Given the number of Trump supporters, it’s probably a better strategy not to throw him on the metaphorical pyre as your buddy Rob urged because doing so, essentially means the GOP will be a permanent minority party and go the way of the Whigs. And regarding self-control over one’s mouth or keyboard, there is a saying about glass houses.

    Actually no. According to Pew Research, 44% want Trump to be renominated, 22% want Trump to be relevant by for us to move on to a new candidate, and 32% believe that Trump should not remain a major political figure. 22% plus 32% would by 54%. 54% beats 44%. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/06/two-thirds-of-republicans-want-trump-to-retain-major-political-role-44-want-him-to-run-again-in-2024/

    Here’s what the Pew study actually says:

    Two-thirds of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say they would like to see former President Donald Trump continue to be a major political figure for many years to come, including 44% who say they would like him to run for president in 2024, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Sept. 13 to 19.

    Evidently the Pew study was designed to get Trump‘s numbers as low as possible: it’s not limited to Republicans, nor to registered voters!

    Here’s a more recent survey:

    Two-thirds of Republican voters endorse former President Donald Trump’s potential bid for office in 2024, a Wednesday poll showed.

    Fifty-one percent of Republican and Republican-leaning respondents of the new Morning Consult/Politico poll said that Trump should “definitely” run again, and 16% of them responded that he “probably” should launch a presidential campaign in 2024.

    The poll surveyed 1,999 registered voters between Oct. 8-11. […]

    Only 14% of Republicans were strongly opposed a Trump reelection bid, while 15% of them said he should “probably not” run again …

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/10/14/morning-consult-politico-poll-67-percent-republicans-donald-trump-run-again/

    Gary goes down in flames once again!

     

    • #163
  14. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Taras (View Comment):

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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    So, the strategy going forward to unify the GOP so it makes gains nationally and in the states is to continue to hurl insults at Donald Trump and his millions of followers? Good luck with that.

    Never said that. But if a unified GOP is the goal, will we see a certain former President/future candidate take the lead on not hurling insults? Because that seems to be his brand.

    It’s a two way street, Brian. And the street is not called Trump Blvd.

    Pretty sure this is how it works…Trump probably has about 50+ million, maybe since Biden has driven the country into the ground, maybe about 60+ million supporters – those willing to vote for him if the election were held today. […]

    Given the number of Trump supporters, it’s probably a better strategy not to throw him on the metaphorical pyre as your buddy Rob urged because doing so, essentially means the GOP will be a permanent minority party and go the way of the Whigs. And regarding self-control over one’s mouth or keyboard, there is a saying about glass houses.

    Actually no. According to Pew Research, 44% want Trump to be renominated, 22% want Trump to be relevant by for us to move on to a new candidate, and 32% believe that Trump should not remain a major political figure. 22% plus 32% would by 54%. 54% beats 44%. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/06/two-thirds-of-republicans-want-trump-to-retain-major-political-role-44-want-him-to-run-again-in-2024/

    Here’s what the Pew study actually says:

    Two-thirds of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say they would like to see former President Donald Trump continue to be a major political figure for many years to come, including 44% who say they would like him to run for president in 2024, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Sept. 13 to 19.

    Evidently the Pew study was designed to get Trump‘s numbers as low as possible: it’s not limited to Republicans, nor to registered voters!

    Here’s a more recent survey:

    Two-thirds of Republican voters endorse former President Donald Trump’s potential bid for office in 2024, a Wednesday poll showed.

    Fifty-one percent of Republican and Republican-leaning respondents of the new Morning Consult/Politico poll said that Trump should “definitely” run again, and 16% of them responded that he “probably” should launch a presidential campaign in 2024.

    The poll surveyed 1,999 registered voters between Oct. 8-11. […]

    Only 14% of Republicans were strongly opposed a Trump reelection bid, while 15% of them said he should “probably not” run again …

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/10/14/morning-consult-politico-poll-67-percent-republicans-donald-trump-run-again/

    Gary goes down in flames once again!

     

    One, polls 2 years out with no declared candidates are only good at gauging one thing: who in a potential field is the most famous. And yes, Trump is the most famous. No question about that. Doesn’t reveal anything about how people are going to vote in an actual election 36 months from now.

    Maybe he’ll win the nomination and win back the White House. It’s possible! But the only value these early polls have right now are as conversation starters. 

    Two, I’m fairly certain you excoriated me a few months back for having the gaul to post a link to a piece in Politico, which I believe you described (paraphrasing now) as just another Trump hating mainstream media organization dedicated to spreading lies. So Politico is cool now? Good to know! 

    • #164
  15. Taras Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Feh. And among other things, Reagan didn’t get treated nearly as badly

    (snort) Granted, the media landscape was different, but he was incessantly mocked as old and doddering, when he wasn’t cruel and bent on planetary homicide. All of the anti-nuke messaging of the 80s laid the problem at his feet, and the idea was beat into our heads over and over: the world is going to end unless Ronnie Raygun changes.

    By all means, tell us how well Reagan would have done against, CNN, and MSNBC, and Twitter, and Facebook…

    I think he would have done fine, because the clips would’ve shown a guy who was either smiling and projecting American optimism, or bearing down and making clean, clear points in a forceful fashion. He had the WaPo and the NYT, which set the agenda in almost every paper in the country, against him, and he vaulted over it.

    He wouldn’t have been banned from Twitter, because he probably would’ve had staff write anodyne posts instead of thumbing out rage-tweets at 1 AM. He would have had better things to do than tweet.

    James, you’ve forgotten just how moderate, and patriotic, and socially conservative liberals used to be, in Reagan’s time.  

    The executive editor of the New York Times during Reagan’s Presidency was A.M. Rosenthal, who then went on to write a column for the paper. Until they kicked him to the curb in 2004 for being, wait for it, too conservative!  And remember what happened last year, when the very liberal opinion editor was fired for being insufficiently deferential to the young radicals who are taking over.

    And the Washington Post used to be less liberal than the New York Times.  Today, I occasionally read an article in the Post and I’m horrified:  it’s like reading a left-wing opinion blog, not a newspaper.

    Have you forgotten how a wimpy liberal Republican like Mitt Romney was monsterized by the liberal media in 2012?

    ”[T]he clips would’ve shown a guy who was either smiling and projecting American optimism …”  Today, they simply don’t show the clips, if they don’t show what they want them to show.  

    A striking example from last year was when Anthony Fauci was a guest on a radio show and was asked, if he were a clinician and a COVID-19 patient asked him to prescribe hydroxychloroquine, would he do it?  Absolutely, he said, because it’s important to keep the patient’s morale up.  This got a lot of play in the conservative media, but I was interested to see what the liberal media had to say.

    The answer was:  nothing.  As far as they were concerned, it never happened.

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  16. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):

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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Joke all you want but we would have won in Georgia if not for Trump’s BS.

    How did Trump impact the Senate election? How on earth did both Loeffler and Perdue lose the run offs?

    I Own Atlanta!

     

    • #166
  17. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    @blueyeti speaketh (from #164, above):

    One, polls 2 years out with no declared candidates are only good at gauging one thing: who in a potential field is the most famous. And yes, Trump is the most famous. No question about that. Doesn’t reveal anything about how people are going to vote in an actual election 36 months from now.

    Maybe he’ll win the nomination and win back the White House. It’s possible! But the only value these early polls have right now are as conversation starters. 

    Two, I’m fairly certain you excoriated me a few months back for having the gaul to post a link to a piece in Politico, which I believe you described (paraphrasing now) as just another Trump hating mainstream media organization dedicated to spreading lies. So Politico is cool now? Good to know! 

    Taking the last point first, you must have me mixed up with somebody else, or Politico mixed up with some other news source, if for no other reason than because I frequently quote Politico myself, in my Ricochet comments.

    In either case, though, you’re guilty of a logical fallacy: the Excluded Middle.  It is simply not the case that Politico must either be 100% reliable or 100% unreliable, all true or all false, and nothing in between.  Some (probably most) material is true; some, false.

    No question it’s a long way from a poll in October, 2021 to an election in 2024.  After all, the FBI might find Biden’s brain or Kamala’s spine!  But then, that’s even truer of a poll from September, 2021 — yet by some strange, unaccountable oversight you never criticized Gary’s poll report.  A suspicious mind might conclude that you wanted to believe the poll less favorable to Donald Trump.

    • #167
  18. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Taras (View Comment):
    But then, that’s even truer of a poll from September, 2021 — yet by some strange, unaccountable oversight you never criticized Gary’s poll report.  A suspicious mind might conclude that you wanted to believe the poll less favorable to Donald Trump.

    I was criticizing all polls taken this far away from an election. I just couldn’t quote your post and his in the same comment from my phone. I hope that puts your suspicions to rest. 

    • #168
  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    But then, that’s even truer of a poll from September, 2021 — yet by some strange, unaccountable oversight you never criticized Gary’s poll report. A suspicious mind might conclude that you wanted to believe the poll less favorable to Donald Trump.

    I was criticizing all polls taken this far away from an election. I just couldn’t quote your post and his in the same comment from my phone. I hope that puts your suspicions to rest.

    But you didn’t criticize Gary’s poll post sometime shortly after he posted it, almost 4 days ago.

    • #169
  20. Blue Yeti Admin
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    But then, that’s even truer of a poll from September, 2021 — yet by some strange, unaccountable oversight you never criticized Gary’s poll report. A suspicious mind might conclude that you wanted to believe the poll less favorable to Donald Trump.

    I was criticizing all polls taken this far away from an election. I just couldn’t quote your post and his in the same comment from my phone. I hope that puts your suspicions to rest.

    But you didn’t criticize Gary’s poll post sometime shortly after he posted it, almost 4 days ago.

    I try to not work on the weekends and I didn’t see it until yesterday evening. 

    • #170
  21. Columbo Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

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    So, the strategy going forward to unify the GOP so it makes gains nationally and in the states is to continue to hurl insults at Donald Trump and his millions of followers? Good luck with that.

    Never said that. But if a unified GOP is the goal, will we see a certain former President/future candidate take the lead on not hurling insults? Because that seems to be his brand.

    It’s a two way street, Brian. And the street is not called Trump Blvd.

    Pretty sure this is how it works…Trump probably has about 50+ million, maybe since Biden has driven the country into the ground, maybe about 60+ million supporters – those willing to vote for him if the election were held today. […]

    Given the number of Trump supporters, it’s probably a better strategy not to throw him on the metaphorical pyre as your buddy Rob urged because doing so, essentially means the GOP will be a permanent minority party and go the way of the Whigs. And regarding self-control over one’s mouth or keyboard, there is a saying about glass houses.

    Actually no. According to Pew Research, 44% want Trump to be renominated, 22% want Trump to be relevant by for us to move on to a new candidate, and 32% believe that Trump should not remain a major political figure. 22% plus 32% would by 54%. 54% beats 44%. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/06/two-thirds-of-republicans-want-trump-to-retain-major-political-role-44-want-him-to-run-again-in-2024/

    Here’s what the Pew study actually says:

    Two-thirds of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say they would like to see former President Donald Trump continue to be a major political figure for many years to come, including 44% who say they would like him to run for president in 2024, according to a Pew Research Center survey of U.S. adults conducted Sept. 13 to 19.

    Evidently the Pew study was designed to get Trump‘s numbers as low as possible: it’s not limited to Republicans, nor to registered voters!

    Here’s a more recent survey:

    Two-thirds of Republican voters endorse former President Donald Trump’s potential bid for office in 2024, a Wednesday poll showed.

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/10/14/morning-consult-politico-poll-67-percent-republicans-donald-trump-run-again/

    Gary goes down in flames once again!

     

     

    Two, I’m fairly certain you excoriated me a few months back for having the gaul to post a link to a piece in Politico, which I believe you described (paraphrasing now) as just another Trump hating mainstream media organization dedicated to spreading lies. So Politico is cool now? Good to know!

    Arguing sarcastically with customers and having an extremely thin skin is not a good look for you.

     

    • #171
  22. Taras Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    But then, that’s even truer of a poll from September, 2021 — yet by some strange, unaccountable oversight you never criticized Gary’s poll report. A suspicious mind might conclude that you wanted to believe the poll less favorable to Donald Trump.

    I was criticizing all polls taken this far away from an election. I just couldn’t quote your post and his in the same comment from my phone. I hope that puts your suspicions to rest.

    But you didn’t criticize Gary’s poll post sometime shortly after he posted it, almost 4 days ago.

    I try to not work on the weekends and I didn’t see it until yesterday evening.

    Well, let’s see.

    Gary posted his poll comment on Sunday night, 10/17/21, at 9:04 PM PDT.

    I responded to it on Tuesday night, 10/19/21, at 10:08 PM PDT, just over 49 hours later.

    Blue Yeti responded to my comment on the same night, 10/19/21, at 10:44 PM PDT, 36 minutes later.

    This reminds me of when, a few days after Saddam Hussein was captured in Iraq, Libya’s Colonel Qaddafi gave up all his WMD’s.  Liberals insisted that this was merely a coincidence, that Qaddafi took the steps he did because of “20 years of diplomacy”.

    Not impossible, but very unlikely.

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  23. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Taras (View Comment):
    But then, that’s even truer of a poll from September, 2021 — yet by some strange, unaccountable oversight you never criticized Gary’s poll report. A suspicious mind might conclude that you wanted to believe the poll less favorable to Donald Trump.

    I was criticizing all polls taken this far away from an election. I just couldn’t quote your post and his in the same comment from my phone. I hope that puts your suspicions to rest.

    But you didn’t criticize Gary’s poll post sometime shortly after he posted it, almost 4 days ago.

    I try to not work on the weekends and I didn’t see it until yesterday evening.

    Well, let’s see.

    Gary posted his poll comment on Sunday night, 10/17/21, at 9:04 PM PDT.

    I responded to it on Tuesday night, 10/19/21, at 10:08 PM PDT, just over 49 hours later.

    Blue Yeti responded to my comment on the same night, 10/19/21, at 10:44 PM PDT, 36 minutes later.

    This reminds me of when, a few days after Saddam Hussein was captured in Iraq, Libya’s Colonel Qaddafi gave up all his WMD’s. Liberals insisted that this was merely a coincidence, that Qaddafi took the steps he did because of “20 years of diplomacy”.

    Not impossible, but very unlikely.

    Lol. 

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  24. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Finally, I came back and listened to this podcast today. (I caught the last five minutes or so of the original video podcast when it was live, but never listened to the show.)

    I liked it. I think Christie makes a lot of sense, has a practical approach to politics that I like. In particular, his suggestion that we don’t need to “win back the cities,” but rather reduce the margins in the cities, was I think exactly right. It has that aspect of continuous grinding advancement that I think is our best hope for long-term success.

    So Jonah Goldberg and David French think we need a new conservative party. Color me unsurprised: I think these gentlemen lost their way awhile ago, and hearing that they embrace a self-destructive, finger-in-the-eye-of-the-Republican-Party position is about what I’d expect. I find Goldberg tedious and juvenile, French much more to my liking, but I don’t think either makes much sense.

    One minor quibble with our hosts today (though the podcast itself was, I thought, one of their best). When talking about why a third party is a recipe for defeat, no one mentioned what I think is an important factor: the Democrat lapdog media and tech behemoths would immediately jump in to divide the right and guarantee that neither the Republican Party nor the new party could secure a substantial majority of the conservative vote. Dividing the conservative vote is crazy anyway, but particularly crazy when it plays into the hands of a profoundly dishonest, monolithic, and manipulative press.

    Good show.

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  25. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Finally, I came back and listened to this podcast today. (I caught the last five minutes or so of the original video podcast when it was live, but never listened to the show.)

    I liked it. I think Christie makes a lot of sense, has a practical approach to politics that I like. In particular, his suggestion that we don’t need to “win back the cities,” but rather reduce the margins in the cities, was I think exactly right. It has that aspect of continuous grinding advancement that I think is our best hope for long-term success.

    So Jonah Goldberg and David French think we need a new conservative party. Color me unsurprised: I think these gentlemen lost their way awhile ago, and hearing that they embrace a self-destructive, finger-in-the-eye-of-the-Republican-Party position is about what I’d expect. I find Goldberg tedious and juvenile, French much more to my liking, but I don’t think either makes much sense.

    One minor quibble with our hosts today (though the podcast itself was, I thought, one of their best). When talking about why a third party is a recipe for defeat, no one mentioned what I think is an important factor: the Democrat lapdog media and tech behemoths would immediately jump in to divide the right and guarantee that neither the Republican Party nor the new party could secure a substantial majority of the conservative vote. Dividing the conservative vote is crazy anyway, but particularly crazy when it plays into the hands of a profoundly dishonest, monolithic, and manipulative press.

    Good show.

    A question just occurred to me. Has Jonah Goldberg or David French ever been censored, or demonetized, or shadow banned by social media?

    I know that Goldberg once got an on-air apology from no less than Stephen Colbert, which has got to be considered a black mark for any conservative.

    I think Goldberg and French do not see the dominance of the Corporate Left as an existential threat, to them personally.  Indeed, it may be to their advantage.  Like court jesters, they keep their dissent within licensed and authorized limits.

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Finally, I came back and listened to this podcast today. (I caught the last five minutes or so of the original video podcast when it was live, but never listened to the show.)

    I liked it. I think Christie makes a lot of sense, has a practical approach to politics that I like. In particular, his suggestion that we don’t need to “win back the cities,” but rather reduce the margins in the cities, was I think exactly right. It has that aspect of continuous grinding advancement that I think is our best hope for long-term success.

    So Jonah Goldberg and David French think we need a new conservative party. Color me unsurprised: I think these gentlemen lost their way awhile ago, and hearing that they embrace a self-destructive, finger-in-the-eye-of-the-Republican-Party position is about what I’d expect. I find Goldberg tedious and juvenile, French much more to my liking, but I don’t think either makes much sense.

    One minor quibble with our hosts today (though the podcast itself was, I thought, one of their best). When talking about why a third party is a recipe for defeat, no one mentioned what I think is an important factor: the Democrat lapdog media and tech behemoths would immediately jump in to divide the right and guarantee that neither the Republican Party nor the new party could secure a substantial majority of the conservative vote. Dividing the conservative vote is crazy anyway, but particularly crazy when it plays into the hands of a profoundly dishonest, monolithic, and manipulative press.

    Good show.

    A question just occurred to me. Has Jonah Goldberg or David French ever been censored, or demonetized, or shadow banned by social media?

    I know that Goldberg once got an on-air apology from no less than Stephen Colbert, which has got to be considered a black mark for any conservative.

    I think Goldberg and French do not see the dominance of the Corporate Left as an existential threat, to them personally. Indeed, it may be to their advantage. Like court jesters, they keep their dissent within licensed and authorized limits.

    They kinda have to, don’t they?  Are either of them capable of doing any other kind of work?

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  27. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Finally, I came back and listened to this podcast today. (I caught the last five minutes or so of the original video podcast when it was live, but never listened to the show.)

    I liked it. I think Christie makes a lot of sense, has a practical approach to politics that I like. In particular, his suggestion that we don’t need to “win back the cities,” but rather reduce the margins in the cities, was I think exactly right. It has that aspect of continuous grinding advancement that I think is our best hope for long-term success.

    So Jonah Goldberg and David French think we need a new conservative party. Color me unsurprised: I think these gentlemen lost their way awhile ago, and hearing that they embrace a self-destructive, finger-in-the-eye-of-the-Republican-Party position is about what I’d expect. I find Goldberg tedious and juvenile, French much more to my liking, but I don’t think either makes much sense.

    One minor quibble with our hosts today (though the podcast itself was, I thought, one of their best). When talking about why a third party is a recipe for defeat, no one mentioned what I think is an important factor: the Democrat lapdog media and tech behemoths would immediately jump in to divide the right and guarantee that neither the Republican Party nor the new party could secure a substantial majority of the conservative vote. Dividing the conservative vote is crazy anyway, but particularly crazy when it plays into the hands of a profoundly dishonest, monolithic, and manipulative press.

    Good show.

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