State Fair

This week, we do a Rico-Centric show with our regular crew and our two trusty editors: Jon Gabriel (Ricochet’s beloved EIC) and Bethany Mandel, the Madonna of The Main Feed. We talk about flagpoles, conservatives on social media, an insider’s view of Arizona, why Instagram is the best social media platform (after this one, natch) and of course, Lileks gives the lowdown on the Minnesota State Fair.

Music from this week’s episode: State Fair (opening title) by Richard Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein II

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  1. Theodoric of Freiberg Member

    This podcast in iTunes is the same as the previous one (The One About Socialism). Please fix.

    • #1
    • August 30, 2018, at 6:53 AM PDT
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  2. Blue Yeti Admin

    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):

    This podcast in iTunes is the same as the previous one (The One About Socialism). Please fix.

    Episode was mis-numbered and that has now been fixed. Should be in iTunes momentarily. Thanks for the catch. 

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    • August 30, 2018, at 7:32 AM PDT
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  3. Joe D. Lincoln

    Mission Statement: 24/7 center right radio. It seems like a lot of AM radio stations already have that mission statement… Or do you think they are far right?

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    • August 30, 2018, at 7:51 AM PDT
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  4. Max Ledoux Admin

    Swagger, Peter. We’ve got swagger.

    WASHINGTON—Secretary of State Mike Pompeo promised to bring more swagger to his far-flung staff after getting the top job in April.

    “We need our men and women out at the front lines, executing American diplomacy with great vigor and energy,” Mr. Pompeo said his first day. Then he adopted the hashtag #Swagger to promote State Department work around the world.

     

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    • August 30, 2018, at 8:25 AM PDT
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  5. ToryWarWriter Thatcher

    Wheres the note on the state fair song?

    • #5
    • August 30, 2018, at 8:54 AM PDT
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  6. Blue Yeti Admin

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Wheres the note on the state fair song?

    Fixed!

    I put this show together very late last night after a long day of traveling — I probably shouldn’t do that. 

    • #6
    • August 30, 2018, at 9:08 AM PDT
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  7. George Townsend Inactive

    Really good Podcast. I always enjoy hearing Bethany.

    • #7
    • August 30, 2018, at 9:30 AM PDT
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  8. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    As a mother of 3 and a grandmother of 2, I love listening to Bethany. Children are wonderful and grandkids are truly a blessing.

    C’mon Peter, the Trumpsplaining you indulged in over the flag going up and down was a bit much. It is exactly the kind of stupid behavior Trump loves to perform for his true believers. It reminds me of all the nonsense about Trump making fun of the disabled journalist with those gross hand movements. His apologists explained that Trump often makes gross hand movements when making fun of people as though that excused his behavior in some way when he did it to attack the disabled man. Trump is a very vulgar and petty man and he behaves that way as President. Some people love it. Others explain it away.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 9:38 AM PDT
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  9. Kim K. Member

    There was a time when big families were assumed to be Catholic. I’ve encountered a few assumptions of being Mormon. The question I get asked most, as a mother of 7 is – “do you homeschool?” “Oh, good grief, no!!” is my usual answer.

    I’m one of six kids and my husband is one of 5. We grew up in a place where those were unremarkable family sizes. So having 7 isn’t totally out of the ballpark. And while you may have heard of only children who want to have more than one kid, I can think of some people I know who came from big families (8-10+) who decided that 2 kids was the max for them.

     

     

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    • August 30, 2018, at 9:43 AM PDT
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  10. TikiRoomSchmidt Listener

    I just wanted to let you all know that this was finally the pitch that got me to join at the Podcast Listener Level. Keep chugging away at those. You’ll wear us all down eventually.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 9:58 AM PDT
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  11. Max Ledoux Admin

    TikiRoomSchmidt (View Comment):

    I just wanted to let you all know that this was finally the pitch that got me to join at the Podcast Listener Level. Keep chugging away at those. You’ll wear us all down eventually.

    #swagger.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 10:30 AM PDT
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  12. kedavis Member

    I was half expecting James to say that the Quip toothbrush has “just the right sink, and just the right bounce.”

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    • August 30, 2018, at 10:37 AM PDT
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  13. James Lileks Contributor

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I was half expecting James to say that the Quip toothbrush has “just the right sink, and just the right bounce.”

    Ha! I ALMOST DID. You read my mind.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 10:40 AM PDT
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  14. Full Size Tabby Member

    Another anecdote (data point?) on only children wanting multiple children themselves: Friends of ours have 5 children, the middle one being the same age as Bethany. Mom was an only child who wanted multiple children (dad had one sibling). Mom’s big surprise was as the boys (1 and 2 were girls, 3, 4, and 5 were boys) got older and fought with each other (as boys will), but as soon as a boy from outside the family came in, the brothers closed rank with each other against the outsider. 

    Their house was often the gathering point for the kids’ friends, for which they spent a fortune on snack foods, but they then knew who their kids’ friends were, and where they were. 

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    • August 30, 2018, at 10:54 AM PDT
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  15. Peter Robinson Founder

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Swagger, Peter. We’ve got swagger.

    WASHINGTON—Secretary of State Mike Pompeo promised to bring more swagger to his far-flung staff after getting the top job in April.

    “We need our men and women out at the front lines, executing American diplomacy with great vigor and energy,” Mr. Pompeo said his first day. Then he adopted the hashtag #Swagger to promote State Department work around the world.

     

    Mike Pompeo has swagger. Our own Max Ledoux? As his t-shirt indicates, he has something even better: moxie.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 10:57 AM PDT
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  16. Peter Robinson Founder

    Kim K. (View Comment):

    There was a time when big families were assumed to be Catholic. I’ve encountered a few assumptions of being Mormon. The question I get asked most, as a mother of 7 is – “do you homeschool?” “Oh, good grief, no!!” is my usual answer.

    I’m one of six kids and my husband is one of 5. We grew up in a place where those were unremarkable family sizes. So having 7 isn’t totally out of the ballpark. And while you may have heard of only children who want to have more than one kid, I can think of some people I know who came from big families (8-10+) who decided that 2 kids was the max for them.

     

     

    You’re a mother of seven? You’re going straight to heaven, whatever your religion.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 10:59 AM PDT
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  17. Max Ledoux Admin

    I’m going to change my name to Moxie C. Swagger.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 11:04 AM PDT
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  18. Peter Robinson Founder

    Make of it what you will, but here’s the story explaining that the White House raised the flag again “in accordance with the U.S. flag code.” The central graf:

    [T]he White House’s decision to raise the flag on Monday morning was in exact accordance to the country’s official guidelines for flying the flag at half-staff. The nonbinding U.S. Flag Code, adopted in 1942, dictates that when a member of Congress dies, the flag should be lowered “on the day of death and the following day.” A similar proclamation about flag display made by President Dwight Eisenhower in 1954 and amended in 1969 to include members of Congress recommends the same duration. McCain died on Saturday, and the White House flag was lowered through the end of Sunday.

    None of this means Trump is a saint, obviously. But my guess is that the president himself wasn’t even aware that the flag had been restored to full staff–raising and lowering the flag is the responsibility, if I recall correctly, of the White House usher’s office–until he saw the stories on cable television. Whereupon, what did he do? He ordered the flag returned to half-mast. 

     

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    • August 30, 2018, at 11:07 AM PDT
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  19. Full Size Tabby Member

    I concur with Bethany’s supposition that large families correlate with religious belief more directly than with political conservatism per se. Religious belief (at least Christianity and Judaism) starts with people being created in the image of God as the culmination of God’s creation, who are supposed to tend to the earth. We have a reason to be on the earth. We are not a blight on the earth. We need to create more miniature images of God to carry out our responsibility to continue tending to the earth, even though we know that we are now fallen creatures. We have a reason to reproduce.

    People with strong Christian or Jewish beliefs (I don’t know enough people of other faiths to comment on them) tend to be culturally and politically conservative because we know what fallen human nature is, and how intractable it is. So we want to be careful about radically changing patterns and practices that seem to be working. So, religious people reproducing tends to look like “conservative” people reproducing. 

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    • August 30, 2018, at 11:10 AM PDT
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  20. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    Make of it what you will, but here’s the story explaining that the White House raised the flag again “in accordance with the U.S. flag code.” The central graf:

    [T]he White House’s decision to raise the flag on Monday morning was in exact accordance to the country’s official guidelines for flying the flag at half-staff. The nonbinding U.S. Flag Code, adopted in 1942, dictates that when a member of Congress dies, the flag should be lowered “on the day of death and the following day.” A similar proclamation about flag display made by President Dwight Eisenhower in 1954 and amended in 1969 to include members of Congress recommends the same duration. McCain died on Saturday, and the White House flag was lowered through the end of Sunday.

    None of this means Trump is a saint, obviously. But my guess is that the president himself wasn’t even aware that the flag had been restored to full staff–raising and lowering the flag is the responsibility, if I recall correctly, of the White House usher’s office–until he saw the stories on cable television. Whereupon, what did he do? He ordered the flag returned to half-mast.

     

    My guess is that he was very aware and for once his silly game didn’t work with a good percentage of his base. He was certainly aware of his pathetic initial tweet about McCain. It has become custom for the flag to remain at half staff longer and indeed, other flags in DC remained at half staff. Someone ordered the WH flag to be run back up. 

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    • August 30, 2018, at 11:16 AM PDT
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  21. kedavis Member

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I was half expecting James to say that the Quip toothbrush has “just the right sink, and just the right bounce.”

    Ha! I ALMOST DID. You read my mind.

    “Fascinating!” How could I have intuited that, from listening to the recording hours after it had actually occurred? Do Ricochet podcasts now record thoughts/feelings/emotions, too? Cue the movie “Brainstorm!” (Nice looking movie, but utter claptrap in several ways.)

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    • August 30, 2018, at 11:26 AM PDT
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  22. EJHill Podcaster

    JuliaBlaschke: It has become custom for the flag to remain at half staff longer and indeed, other flags in DC remained at half staff.

    Which is another DC custom that should be changed. As the Flag Code shows we’ve drifted from respect to worship. And that’s a bad thing in a Republic no matter what your views on Trump, McCain or any other politician.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 11:58 AM PDT
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  23. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    EJHill (View Comment):
    Which is another DC custom that should be changed. As the Flag Code shows we’ve drifted from respect to worship. And that’s a bad thing in a Republic no matter what your views on Trump, McCain or any other politician.

    Oh I agree. Far too much slavish adoration of politicians. Presidents live like kings too. It has become ridiculous. 

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    • August 30, 2018, at 12:32 PM PDT
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  24. Max Ledoux Admin

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    Make of it what you will, but here’s the story explaining that the White House raised the flag again “in accordance with the U.S. flag code.” The central graf:

    [T]he White House’s decision to raise the flag on Monday morning was in exact accordance to the country’s official guidelines for flying the flag at half-staff. The nonbinding U.S. Flag Code, adopted in 1942, dictates that when a member of Congress dies, the flag should be lowered “on the day of death and the following day.” A similar proclamation about flag display made by President Dwight Eisenhower in 1954 and amended in 1969 to include members of Congress recommends the same duration. McCain died on Saturday, and the White House flag was lowered through the end of Sunday.

    None of this means Trump is a saint, obviously. But my guess is that the president himself wasn’t even aware that the flag had been restored to full staff–raising and lowering the flag is the responsibility, if I recall correctly, of the White House usher’s office–until he saw the stories on cable television. Whereupon, what did he do? He ordered the flag returned to half-mast.

     

    The strict adherence to established norms just proves that Donald Trump’s presidency is not normal. 🤣

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    • August 30, 2018, at 12:54 PM PDT
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  25. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher

    What a lovely podcast and reminder of the strength of family. I strongly urge you to consider doing other podcasts at cocktail time where you are all relaxed and feeling good. ☺

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    • August 30, 2018, at 1:04 PM PDT
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  26. Texmoor Coolidge

    Great episode! I can’t get enough of Bethany either.

    Regarding kids: While I have a sister, we are rather distant to each other because of mental health problems she suffers from, so I consider myself more of an only child. I want to have lots of kids because I feel like I missed out on having a close sibling.

    Regarding Facebook: my wife is one of the content moderators Peter was talking about. They have a big office in Austin. She’s more of a Trump supporter than I am and she knows better than to say anything nice of him at work. Most of her coworkers are kids and they all share the same progressive outlook so I’m not surprised they have a quick trigger. It seems like everyday I’m telling her about a controversy on Facebook.

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    • August 30, 2018, at 1:48 PM PDT
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  27. kedavis Member

    Texmoor (View Comment):

    Great episode! I can’t get enough of Bethany either.

    Regarding kids: While I have a sister, we are rather distant to each other because of mental health problems she suffers from, so I consider myself more of an only child. I want to have lots of kids because I feel like I missed out on having a close sibling.

    Regarding Facebook: my wife is one of the content moderators Peter was talking about. They have a big office in Austin. She’s more of a Trump supporter than I am and she knows better than to say anything nice of him at work. Most of her coworkers are kids and they all share the same progressive outlook so I’m not surprised they have a quick trigger. It seems like everyday I’m telling her about a controversy on Facebook.

    Shouldn’t she already know?

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    • August 30, 2018, at 1:53 PM PDT
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  28. kedavis Member

    Also, Peter got the math wrong, again. 40,000 is 20% less than 50,000. But 50,000 is 25% more than 40,000. (10,000 is 1/4 of 40,000, or 25%.)

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    • August 30, 2018, at 2:17 PM PDT
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  29. Kim K. Member

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    Kim K. (View Comment):

    There was a time when big families were assumed to be Catholic. I’ve encountered a few assumptions of being Mormon. The question I get asked most, as a mother of 7 is – “do you homeschool?” “Oh, good grief, no!!” is my usual answer.

     

    You’re a mother of seven? You’re going straight to heaven, whatever your religion.

    The last three are adopted. Does that get me a higher rung?

     

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    • August 30, 2018, at 3:41 PM PDT
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  30. LibertyDefender Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    Make of it what you will, but here’s the story explaining that the White House raised the flag again “in accordance with the U.S. flag code.” The central graf:

    [T]he White House’s decision to raise the flag on Monday morning was in exact accordance to the country’s official guidelines for flying the flag at half-staff. The nonbinding U.S. Flag Code, adopted in 1942, dictates that when a member of Congress dies, the flag should be lowered “on the day of death and the following day.” A similar proclamation about flag display made by President Dwight Eisenhower in 1954 and amended in 1969 to include members of Congress recommends the same duration. McCain died on Saturday, and the White House flag was lowered through the end of Sunday.

    None of this means Trump is a saint, obviously. But my guess is that the president himself wasn’t even aware that the flag had been restored to full staff–raising and lowering the flag is the responsibility, if I recall correctly, of the White House usher’s office–until he saw the stories on cable television. Whereupon, what did he do? He ordered the flag returned to half-mast.

    My guess is that he was very aware and for once his silly game didn’t work with a good percentage of his base. He was certainly aware of his pathetic initial tweet about McCain. It has become custom for the flag to remain at half staff longer and indeed, other flags in DC remained at half staff. Someone ordered the WH flag to be run back up.

    My guess is that Trump is very aware that he is living rent-free in JuliaBlaschke’s mind. And in Mona Charen’s. And Bill in Kristol’s. And in Jay Nordlinger’s. And in John Podhoretz’s. And in …

    Oh yeah, that Trump base is leaving Trump, because they so respected John McCain, who was an enemy of free speech, a consistent opponent to tax cuts, and an insulter of law enforcement and national sovereignty through his aggressive support of amnesty for illegal aliens. 

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    • August 30, 2018, at 4:42 PM PDT
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