Jiggery Pokery

This week on the Big Show, one guest: John O’Sullivan. We booked him to fact check this season of Netflix’s The Crown as he was a speechwriter for Margaret Thatcher and was a witness to much of what occurred in the show (and what didn’t). But that wasn’t the only topic we covered with John. We also had a long and shall we say lively conversation about the Trump legal team’s efforts to overturn the results of the election. We think Mr. O’Sullivan represented the views of many of our members and listeners, much to the consternation of one of the hosts of this podcast (guess who?). Also, Peter Robinson discovers The Beatles forty years after the fact and then immediately proceeds to blame them for a lame Christmas song written decades after the band broke up. Also, a new Lileks Post of The Week courtesy of @majestyk and a short but thorough primer on why streaming killed the movie theater star.

Music from this week’s show: Her Majesty by The Beatles

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    I think if I went back to those podcasts – I have them all from the very start, by the way – I might find suggestions if not outright statements that a paid membership was required to hear some of the podcasts, aside from the main one and possibly GLoP, I don’t remember getting any others before then.    But it’s not worth the effort, especially the sifting through over 500 main podcasts and over 150 GLoP (and I think the GLoP numbering is still off by 1).

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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    Archibald Campbell (View Comment):

     

    And to those complaining about Rob’s or BY’s “tone”: you’ve gotta be kidding me. For four plus years now you’ve gone hammer and tongs with anyone who didn’t like Trump, and gave at least as good as you got. Niceties were also often not observed. So enough with the pearl-clutching.

    I agree with this. It never bothers me. It probably has to do with the scope of what he talks about. 

    The ones that get me are the ones that are associated with organizations and just go on and on about every dimension and hardly any of them know what they are talking about or it’s just about their personal power and making money.

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    This is must read. The GOP that are freaked about Trump see everything this way. 

    This Flynn speech was important, though. He said, “The Courts don’t decide the election, we the people decide.” But later: “The rule of law is at stake.”

    Well, which is it? The rule of law in our Constitutional republic means that the courts operate in the name of We the People. Flynn declares mob rule over our constitutional institutions in the same speech in which he decried the loss of the rule of law. He obviously didn’t get the irony, nor, I’d wager, did a soul in that crowd.

    Why in the hell would they let Alex Jones into something like this?

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/what-i-saw-at-the-jericho-march/ 

     

     

     

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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  5. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    McConnell is a joke.

    He’s the best political tactician the Republicans have ever had and he gave Trump many of his biggest accomplishments including the tax cut, the Supreme Court, and he was instrumental in making sure Trump was acquitted during impeachment. Trump should count his blessings that McConnell was in the Senate for the run of his Presidency.

    Some joke.

    I’ll concede those points. Here’s a lollipop, Mitch, for doing your job. You’ve almost attoned for Obamacare.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    You’ve almost attoned for Obamacare.

    It is an absolute nightmare that these liars didn’t get rid of this monstrosity. It’s obviously a scam to force single payer.

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  7. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

     

    How is that idolatry? Christians believe a Biden presidency will ramp up the persecution we’ve seen all year, set back many of the gains on the abortion battle with more bad judges, and lead to elimination of religious exemptions (for vaccine opt-out, for instance). 

    Furthermore we believe there is a evil undercurrent with BLM and virtue signaling that threatens to lead the liberal factions of Christiandom into making unholy alliances. We’ve seen this all year as well. Trump stands in the way of all that. 

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  8. Saint Augustine Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    How is that idolatry? Christians believe a Biden presidency will ramp up the persecution we’ve seen all year, set back many of the gains on the abortion battle with more bad judges, and lead to elimination of religious exemptions (for vaccine opt-out, for instance).

    Furthermore we believe there is a evil undercurrent with BLM and virtue signaling that threatens to lead the liberal factions of Christiandom into making unholy alliances. We’ve seen this all year as well. Trump stands in the way of all that.

    Maybe some people idolize Trump. I think every Christian Trump voter I know was thinking of him under the King Cyrus model.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Furthermore we believe there is a evil undercurrent with BLM and virtue signaling that threatens to lead the liberal factions of Christiandom into making unholy alliances. We’ve seen this all year as well. Trump stands in the way of all that. 

    This is an interesting topic.

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  10. Functionary Coolidge
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    Archibald Campbell (View Comment):

    And to those complaining about Rob’s or BY’s “tone”: you’ve gotta be kidding me. For four plus years now you’ve gone hammer and tongs with anyone who didn’t like Trump, and gave at least as good as you got. Niceties were also often not observed. So enough with the pearl-clutching.

    Since I was first to bring it up, after 43 comments that did not bring up his glaring breach of decorum, let me respond.

    1. I wasn’t complaining about Rob’s “tone.” I was complaining that he didn’t let John O’Sullivan speak, and pointing out that he mischaracterized and distorted the arguments of people who saw obvious censorship, bullying, gross statistical anomalies, the removal of safeguards, etc. and reduced it to the Loch Ness Monster and Hugo Chavez.
    2. I didn’t ever like Trump’s tone, and never criticized others who also didn’t like Trump’s tone. I have criticized others who apparently couldn’t see beyond it. and pretended there was a better option, or strangely considered their vote to have no meaning beyond their personal vanity (OK, if you live in a Blue state, no one cares).

    I prefer that the niceties be observed. Pointed and fair arguments are what we should expect from everyone.

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  11. Ramparts of Civilization Member
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    There was of course the ongoing trashing of the foundational Ricochet principle of a place where civilized conversation takes place…

    When it comes to discussion of Donald J Trump, can Rob Long ever allow someone to complete their thought without interrupting with haughty disdain?  The distinguished John O’Sullivan is only the latest to be subjected to the constant interruptions and over talk.  

    I get that Rob hates the very idea of Trump (he’s made it very clear for four years)….but maybe, with a little respectful listening regarding other’s thoughts he might get to understand why millions and millions of the rest of us thought there was something else very important at stake personified in this flawed President who faced ridiculous assault and despite all was consequential.

    The best part of Trump leaving the scene?  The otherwise very talented observer Rob Long getting his sensibilities back. Maybe.

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  12. Blue Yeti Admin
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    I’ll concede those points. Here’s a lollipop, Mitch, for doing your job. You’ve almost attoned for Obamacare.

    I don’t like lollipops. 

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  13. Blue Yeti Admin
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    I think if I went back to those podcasts – I have them all from the very start, by the way – I might find suggestions if not outright statements that a paid membership was required to hear some of the podcasts, aside from the main one and possibly GLoP, I don’t remember getting any others before then. But it’s not worth the effort, especially the sifting through over 500 main podcasts and over 150 GLoP (and I think the GLoP numbering is still off by 1).

    I think that’d be a very valuable use of your time. You should absolutely do that. 

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  14. JuliaBlaschke Lincoln
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    I’ll concede those points. Here’s a lollipop, Mitch, for doing your job. You’ve almost attoned for Obamacare.

    I don’t like lollipops.

    Neither does Mitch. And it is Trump’s fault that Obamacare was never replaced. Trump Says Long-Promised Obamacare Replacement Is ‘All Ready’ (msn.com) Where was the most awesome health care plan he promised? I don’t get this worship of Trump.

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    I’ll concede those points. Here’s a lollipop, Mitch, for doing your job. You’ve almost attoned for Obamacare.

    I don’t like lollipops.

    Neither does Mitch. And it is Trump’s fault that Obamacare was never replaced. Trump Says Long-Promised Obamacare Replacement Is ‘All Ready’ (msn.com) Where was the most awesome health care plan he promised? I don’t get this worship of Trump.

    Everybody lied about it. Eight years and three months to get ready. They didn’t even have to do it right away. 

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  16. Taras Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Now the Rob Longs of the world want us to replace those parts again with cheap made in China aftermarket ones. Literally.

    That is not how the word is correctly used.

    No, Biden is 100% a cheap aftermarket Made in China part. Prove me wrong.

    I thought it was just plastic surgery and Botox, but you may be right!

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  17. Taras Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    J Ro (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    J Ro (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    If you watched the ZoomCast you’ll know what I’m about to say is true: The expressions on the faces of our intrepid trio during the conversation on The Beatles and Christmas music was priceless.

    Let’s move on up to James Brown and Funky Christmas music.

    Idea: A whole series of “Peter Robinson Reacts” to popular music he’s never heard before.

    I hear that React videos are the rage now although I haven’t watched any.

    I would post one of the videos here but everybody knows that nobody watches videos posted in these comments.

    How about this one?

    Thats one happy ass.

    Nick Bottom the weaver can only watch with envy!

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  18. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Functionary (View Comment):

    90+% of Republican voters supported Trump, but there seem to be a very unrepresentative 80%, or so of Republican office holders and judicial appointees who are ostentatiously not supporting even his valid claims. This is the real problem facing the party.

    Look at the votes for that abomination of a NDAA, and how most of the Senators basically spit on the concerns of the Republican electorate regarding 230; the Republican politicians mostly work for anti-conservative corporate donors, not the voters, and especially not the base.

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  19. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Ramparts of Civilization (View Comment):
    The best part of Trump leaving the scene? The otherwise very talented observer Rob Long getting his sensibilities back. Maybe.

    It ain’t going away. Trump is a symptom of a diseased and hate-filled culture. He is not the disease or the originator of the disease. 

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  20. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    McConnell is a joke.

    WTH?! McConnell is awesome. Trump, Trump, Trump. I am sick to death of Trump! We have more important things to deal with. Trump is not worth it! We need to concentrate on keeping the Senate and winning the House back in 2022. And exposing Biden for the corrupt old fool he is.

    McConnell is good with judges, but he extracts an extremely high price for it, with apparent malicious glee.  Please don’t think I’m trying to single you out, I’m just using this opportunity to point out that it isn’t just Hillary and the Democrats with, at best, disdain for the ‘deplorables’.  I can barely bring myself to vote for those…..candidates running in Georgia, even for a chance to save the Republic.  Such feelings toward our politicians are endemic among the base, and McConnell is largely responsible for that.

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  21. Taras Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    [SNIP]

    Election results – like anything else that is reported by the media – must make sense to our own experiences to be believed. The real problem is that they dont. Here is why I dont believe the election results:

    1. Complete lack of enthusiasm for Joe Biden. Trump rallied in crowds of thousands – Biden hardly got a crowds of dozens.
    2. The primaries. Trump won resoundingly (unopposed I know – but primary voters still turned up for him). The DNC had to buy off his opponents to clear the field for Joe Biden to win.
    3. The censorship of news and social media stories negative to Joe Biden. The traditional October surprise is too late – Rudy sat on the laptop too long – he should’ve released it in September for it be effective, by the time he released it nearly 1/3 of the electorate had already voted.
    4. Benford’s Law. Joe Biden’s votes broke Benford’s law, Donald Trump’s did not. To me this screams fraud. If this really was a highly improbable situation, and Benford’s law was broken by natural causes – both vote totals would have broken it. At a minimum this says that democrat ballots where treated differently than republican ballots.
    5. The synchronized shut down of the count on election night.
    6. The removal and disruption of election observers.
    7. The censorship of news and social media on anyone objecting to the election results – particularly gulling after the very same organizations spent the last 4 years objecting to the last election.
    8. Joe Biden lost support with Blacks, Hispanics, LGBTQ+, Unions (particularly police and construction unions) and yet managed to get more votes? Donald Trump got historic numbers of votes from Black and Hispanic voters.
    9. Joe Biden won only 477 counties (of 3142 counties).
    10. The counties that Joe Biden won experienced weirdly near universal turn out out… Often as much as 20% higher than neighboring counties.

    Here’s another:

    From 1980 through 2016, 19 of the nation’s more than 3,000 counties voted for the eventual president in every election. Only one of them, Washington state’s Clallam County, backed President-elect Joe Biden last week.

    Other counties that had been bellwethers all the way back to the 1950s ended their runs by backing President Trump instead of the Democrat.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/bellwether-counties-nearly-wiped-out-by-2020-election-11605272400

    And another:  

    The irony is that Trump’s coattails pulled hundreds of Republicans over the goal line — but they didn’t save him from a razor-tight defeat. …

    In the U.S. House, Nancy Pelosi thought her troops would gain 10 to 12 seats. Instead, they lost, at last count, nine.

    But the real carnage was in the state houses. … The GOP gained a total of 192 House and 40 Senate seats. Republicans flipped control of three chambers.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/12/01/bad_news_for_progressives_its_still_a_conservative_country_144754.html

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Ramparts of Civilization (View Comment):
    The best part of Trump leaving the scene? The otherwise very talented observer Rob Long getting his sensibilities back. Maybe.

    I don’t know that Rob ever had many actual sensibilities when it comes to politics.  Or at least not good ones.

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  23. Miffed White Male Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    From 1980 through 2016, 19 of the nation’s more than 3,000 counties voted for the eventual president in every election. Only one of them, Washington state’s Clallam County, backed President-elect Joe Biden last week.

    Other counties that had been bellwethers all the way back to the 1950s ended their runs by backing President Trump instead of the Democrat.

    Bellwethers are always bellwethers until they aren’t.

    https://xkcd.com/1122/

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  24. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Furthermore we believe there is a evil undercurrent with BLM and virtue signaling that threatens to lead the liberal factions of Christiandom into making unholy alliances. We’ve seen this all year as well. Trump stands in the way of all that.

    This is an interesting topic.

    Yes. I wrote about it over the summer. https://ricochet.com/777242/the-last-battle-of-2020/

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    Furthermore we believe there is a evil undercurrent with BLM and virtue signaling that threatens to lead the liberal factions of Christiandom into making unholy alliances. We’ve seen this all year as well. Trump stands in the way of all that.

    This is an interesting topic.

    Yes. I wrote about it over the summer. https://ricochet.com/777242/the-last-battle-of-2020/

    That is a good article. I recently saw the head editor of American Greatness saying the same thing. Republicans are falling for it, too. People need to get their heads straight about this stuff.

    I haven’t looked at this lately but the UCC church is really wacky anymore.

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  26. JuliaBlaschke Lincoln
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):
    McConnell is good with judges, but he extracts an extremely high price for it, with apparent malicious glee. Please don’t think I’m trying to single you out, I’m just using this opportunity to point out that it isn’t just Hillary and the Democrats with, at best, disdain for the ‘deplorables’. I can barely bring myself to vote for those…..candidates running in Georgia, even for a chance to save the Republic. Such feelings toward our politicians are endemic among the base, and McConnell is largely responsible for that.

    I don’t agree at all. I don’t see any disdain for deplorables in Mitch McConnell. Quite the opposite. I don’t want to single you out either, but I think you conflate McConnell’s reluctance to sufficiently bend the knee to Trump with disdain for his voters. Not voting for the Republican candidates in Georgia because you think giving control of the Senate to Biden and the Democrats would somehow show McConnell what for … that is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. 

    McConnell does what is right for conservatives and this country. He does it quietly and relentlessly and doesn’t care about the rocks cast at him by the media and by some Trump supporters. I sincerely hope we have 6 more years of McConnell as leader of the Senate.

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  27. Henry Castaigne Member
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    lorables in Mitch McConnell. Quite the opposite. I don’t want to single you out either, but I think you conflate McConnell’s reluctance to sufficiently bend the knee to Trump with disdain for his voters. Not voting for the Republican candidates in Georgia because you think giving control of the Senate to Biden and the Democrats would somehow show McConnell what for … th

    Hasn’t McConnel been like Crenshaw and Ted Cruz and worked with Trump on everything conservative? That isn’t a leading question; I ask because I haven’t been paying close attention. 

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  28. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    From 1980 through 2016, 19 of the nation’s more than 3,000 counties voted for the eventual president in every election. Only one of them, Washington state’s Clallam County, backed President-elect Joe Biden last week.

    Other counties that had been bellwethers all the way back to the 1950s ended their runs by backing President Trump instead of the Democrat.

    Bellwethers are always bellwethers until they aren’t.

    https://xkcd.com/1122/

    But when a large number suddenly stop working, it’s evidence that something was wrong with the election.

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  29. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):
    McConnell is good with judges, but he extracts an extremely high price for it, with apparent malicious glee. Please don’t think I’m trying to single you out, I’m just using this opportunity to point out that it isn’t just Hillary and the Democrats with, at best, disdain for the ‘deplorables’. I can barely bring myself to vote for those…..candidates running in Georgia, even for a chance to save the Republic. Such feelings toward our politicians are endemic among the base, and McConnell is largely responsible for that.

    I don’t agree at all. I don’t see any disdain for deplorables in Mitch McConnell. Quite the opposite. I don’t want to single you out either, but I think you conflate McConnell’s reluctance to sufficiently bend the knee to Trump with disdain for his voters. Not voting for the Republican candidates in Georgia because you think giving control of the Senate to Biden and the Democrats would somehow show McConnell what for … that is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    McConnell does what is right for conservatives and this country. He does it quietly and relentlessly and doesn’t care about the rocks cast at him by the media and by some Trump supporters. I sincerely hope we have 6 more years of McConnell as leader of the Senate.

    My animosity toward McConnell long predates Trump (who I likewise voted for in 2016 despite hating him at the time, for the same reasons I’m forcing myself to vote for the Senators in Georgia-though if Georgia wasn’t a purple state, I probably wouldn’t).  Its not about Trump, and never has been.

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  30. JuliaBlaschke Lincoln
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):
    My animosity toward McConnell long predates Trump (who I likewise voted for in 2016 despite hating him at the time, for the same reasons I’m forcing myself to vote for the Senators in Georgia-though if Georgia wasn’t a purple state, I probably wouldn’t). Its not about Trump, and never has been.

    Well that’s good to know. But he was handily re-elected so most people in Kentucky don’t share your view, thankfully.

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