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Thank You Mona. I am 50 years old and was ignorant of the word gravamen. My Ricochet membership has been validated this year. I LOVE the fact that we Ricochetti can hear this kind internicene podcast.
I believe you said the opposite in your previous comment, but perhaps that was simply my misperception. I’m glad you cleared that up.
No, Karl. It was my contention that Jay has, over the course of a year, made it clear that Trump’s followers are akin to Nazis, and that his criticisms of Trump apply equally to his followers. Taken in isolation, I would be charitable to Jay regarding his comments on this podcast, taking them only to apply to Trump lui-meme. Unfortunately, I listened to NTK extensively over the past year, and to me it is untenable to deny the well-established.
If you’re cool with a contributor calling a significant segment of the Ricochet community Nazis, I think you have a curious idea of the CoC.
Well, we disagree. I find that last statement laughable. On certain topics, Jay is the quintessence of viciousness.
Yes, I had the same reaction. I don’t know if it is true that “thousands and thousands of Muslims” celebrated here in the streets, but I have heard several prominent law enforcement persons, including Giuliani, state that there were significant public displays of joy by Muslims around New York City on the day of the attack.
This is significant because I think it illustrates a disturbing tendency of Mona to dismiss contrary evidence without addressing it.
Along these same lines, I was a bit gobsmacked when she effectively asserted that McCain didn’t attack Trump. As I’ve mentioned, I was still listening to each Need to Know throughout 2015. I know she was aware of McCain’s attack at the time (and approved of it). She has simply flushed it down her memory hole to fit her narrative.
Fact check: Jay described the speech as something you might hear in a beer hall. He said nothing about the Ricochet community.
Jay’s comments about Trump have heavy implications for anyone who supports Trump, and dancing around it is silly. Jay is clearly making a reference to Trump sounding like a Nazi. Further, when he calls Trump a “demagogue” he is making a case that those who support him are irrational. While this is not against the CoC because it is not direct name calling, I do think it is perfectly reasonable for a Trump supporter to take offense. It is like calling Trump a “con man”. The only possible take away is that anyone supporting him has been “conned”. I think it is understandable to take offense.
I am sorry Jay has been on the receiving end of nasty Tweets and emails. That sounds awful. I also do not like the implication that my support of Trump is irrational.
“Rational”
So you oppose getting double registered voters off of the rolls, getting dead people off of the rolls and getting aliens, legal and illegal off of the rolls? Yes, Trump wants to be able to say he won the popular vote. But if the investigation goes forward as announced, that is to discover the incidences of illegal voters and clear them from the rolls, I don’t care what his motivation is.
When did Blue Yeti become the hall monitor in the podcast threads?
I don’t know, but point taken. I respectfully submit my resignation.
Yeti’s always been the podcast guy, and therefore interested in membership reaction to the podcasts.
And fanatically offended by the reality of puking behind HooTow.
Best outro music choice, ever.
I could have written your commentary word for word! That podcast was quite uncomfortable, like an intervention, but both Mona and Jay remained unrepentant. I too have boycotted their podcasts and no longer read Nordlinger’s articles in the National Review either. What a shame that such talented writers should be so close minded. Was it Salena Zito that said those who voted for Trump took him seriously, and not literally? I know both Mona and Jay are writers whose talent lies in the written word, but they completely fail to understand Trump. Or perhaps, they refuse to. What a shame.