Civility and Humility

After several weeks of different combos for different reasons, The Big Three® are reunited and bring a power hitting show with them. First up, we talk southern cooking (Rob is hosting from Oxford, Mississippi, site of this year’s Southern Foodways Symposium — and please, it’s a serious symposium — not “an excuse to eat fried chicken…”). Then, the hosts debate impeachment and the White House strategy for defeating it. We shift gears and welcome Daniel Krauthammer on the occasion of the paperback debut of The Point of It All, the book he edited for his late father in the months before Charles passed away. Then, the great Victor Davis Hanson (partially great because his podcast The Classicist is available on the Ricochet Audio Network and partially great because his best selling book, The Case For Trump is the definitive resource in these troubled times). The segment is a how-to guide on defending the President in the sure to be turbulent next few months. Finally, what is the best Halloween candy? Our hosts weigh in (heh) on this vitally important topic. Leave your picks in the comments, please.

Note: we did not get to the Long Poll in the show this week, but we did post a new one. Please take it.

Music from this week’s show: I Want Candy – The Strangeloves.

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  1. Taras Coolidge
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    If, after three years in office, the Kurds are “only the first to suffer for [Trump’s] failings” (emphasis mine), then that makes Trump an above-average President.

    My bad, maybe we should start with the chumps like Ann Coulter who thought he was serious about immigration, then watched him allow the E-Verify system be eviscerated.

    Trump is more serious about immigration than any President in generations, and has taken endless grief for it, but let’s not give him any credit for that!

    Trump is an instinctive demagogue and knows aspects of this issue inflame passions more than any other. The fact that he does not do effective things that would ameliorate the problem says volumes about how much he really cares about a conservative philosophy.

     

    “Curse you, instinctive demagogue!”

    Mexico has sent approximately 15,000 troops to the U.S. border in efforts to control the flow of migrants to the U.S. …

    Lopez Obrador previously deployed 6,000 troops earlier this month to Mexico’s southern border.

    “The policy is a shift from previous practice. The Mexican security forces have long detained undocumented migrants as they travel in the country, but had not typically stopped them from crossing the US border in the past,” AFP noted.

    Mexico’s military deployments was condition agreed upon by the nation’s leaders in exchange for avoiding tariffs imposed by the Trump Administration. …

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/mexico-sends-15000-troops-to-us-border/ 

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  2. Annefy Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Really? No room in the whole podcast for a little “Please Come To Boston?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCOn9NiSgfs

    In honor of @jameslileks

    Hard pass. Awful song.

    Charming response 

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  3. Blue Yeti Staff
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Really? No room in the whole podcast for a little “Please Come To Boston?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCOn9NiSgfs

    In honor of @jameslileks

    Hard pass. Awful song.

    Charming response

    Big Dave Loggins fan, @annefy

    Yes, I don’t care for the song. I think it’s slow, cliched, and cloyingly ponderous.

    Furthermore, @kedavis is, shall we say, very opinionated about this show (and several others we do). That’s fine, it’s the raison d’être of this site. But occasionally, I’m going to push back a bit on some of what I read.  I draw a red line around Please Come To Boston.  

     

     

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Really? No room in the whole podcast for a little “Please Come To Boston?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCOn9NiSgfs

    In honor of @jameslileks

    Hard pass. Awful song.

    Charming response

    Big Dave Loggins fan, @annefy?

    Yes, I don’t care for the song. I think it’s slow, cliched, and cloyingly ponderous.

    Furthermore, @kedavis is, shall we say, very opinionated about this show (and several others we do). That’s fine, it’s the raison d’être of this site. But occasionally, I’m going to push back a bit on some of what I read. I draw a red line around Please Come To Boston.

     

     

    But a very appropriate song for James’ visit.

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  5. Blue Yeti Staff
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    kedavis (View Comment)

    But a very appropriate song for James’ visit.

    Here are three I like better, in no particular order: 

     

     

     

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Fanatical local devotion, @jameslileks?

    No, it’s “an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope!”

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x53j0l

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment)

    But a very appropriate song for James’ visit.

    Here are three I like better, in no particular order:

     

     

     

    But what James suggested/recommended was that Boston is a great place to visit for history, etc.  So as an invitation, “Please Come To Boston” makes the most sense.

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  8. Blue Yeti Staff
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    But what James suggested/recommended was that Boston is a great place to visit for history, etc. So as an invitation, “Please Come To Boston” makes the most sense.

    Idea:

    1. Start your own podcast.
    2. Invite James on.
    3. Play whatever song you want. 

    P.S. If you do the above, my unsolicited advice is don’t be too literal with your song selections. Ideally, you want listeners to have to think a bit about what the song is referring to or commenting on in the show they just listened to (and yes, I admit that this week’s choice was a bit too on the nose).  Also –and this is important– most of the time, I want to end the show on an upbeat note. I want you to hit that stop button feeling good that you gave us an hour plus of your time. Given that criteria, the Loggins tune (which again, I am well aware of)  is too much of a downer for my purposes. I know you disagree with that opinion.  And that’s fine.

    • #38
  9. James Lileks Contributor
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Idea:

    1. Start your own podcast.
    2. Invite James on.

    I would be happy to be a guest on any Ricochet podcast. In fact I would love to do every Ricochet Podcast in 2020 as a guest, and also a stunt. But mostly for fun.

    • #39
  10. Blue Yeti Staff
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Idea:

    1. Start your own podcast.
    2. Invite James on.

    I would be happy to be a guest on any Ricochet podcast. In fact I would love to do every Ricochet Podcast in 2020 as a guest, and also a stunt. But mostly for fun.

    This can be arranged…

    • #40
  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But what James suggested/recommended was that Boston is a great place to visit for history, etc. So as an invitation, “Please Come To Boston” makes the most sense.

    Idea:

    1. Start your own podcast.
    2. Invite James on.
    3. Play whatever song you want.

    P.S. If you do the above, my unsolicited advice is don’t be too literal with your song selections. Ideally, you want listeners to have to think a bit about what the song is referring to or commenting on in the show they just listened to (and yes, I admit that this week’s choice was a bit too on the nose). Also –and this is important– most of the time, I want to end the show on an upbeat note. I want you to hit that stop button feeling good that you gave us an hour plus of your time. Given that criteria, the Loggins tune (which again, I am well aware of) is too much of a downer for my purposes. I know you disagree with that opinion. And that’s fine.

    If not at the end because it’s too “down,” then maybe inserted right after James said that?  I guess you don’t support things like that in general, but I heard a few “inserts” this time.  Such as “Reunited.”

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  12. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment)

    But a very appropriate song for James’ visit.

    Here are three I like better, in no particular order:

    If James has a really bad future visit to Boston, use this….

    • #42
  13. Full Size Tabby Member
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    @FullSizeTabby

    Boston University:

    I too noted how un-campus-like BU was when our daughter looked at it in 2002. Many of the school buildings just mixed in with the surrounding neighborhood with no defined campus boundaries. Architecturally dramatically different from Boston College.

    I hope daughter of @jameslileks learns more than the currently most visible Boston University alumna did. That Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who received a BA cum laude in economics and international relations from Boston University in 2011, could demonstrate such ignorance about economics should embarrass the university.  

    • #43
  14. Blue Yeti Staff
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment)

    But a very appropriate song for James’ visit.

    Here are three I like better, in no particular order:

    If James has a really bad future visit to Boston, use

    A close runner-up for sure. 

    • #44
  15. Blue Yeti Staff
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    @BlueYeti

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But what James suggested/recommended was that Boston is a great place to visit for history, etc. So as an invitation, “Please Come To Boston” makes the most sense.

    Idea:

    1. Start your own podcast.
    2. Invite James on.
    3. Play whatever song you want.

    P.S. If you do the above, my unsolicited advice is don’t be too literal with your song selections. Ideally, you want listeners to have to think a bit about what the song is referring to or commenting on in the show they just listened to (and yes, I admit that this week’s choice was a bit too on the nose). Also –and this is important– most of the time, I want to end the show on an upbeat note. I want you to hit that stop button feeling good that you gave us an hour plus of your time. Given that criteria, the Loggins tune (which again, I am well aware of) is too much of a downer for my purposes. I know you disagree with that opinion. And that’s fine.

    If not at the end because it’s too “down,” then maybe inserted right after James said that? I guess you don’t support things like that in general, but I heard a few “inserts” this time. Such as “Reunited.”

    You heard only one (Reunited) and it was very much an outlier. 

    • #45
  16. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Boston University:

    I too noted how un-campus-like BU was when our daughter looked at it in 2002. Many of the school buildings just mixed in with the surrounding neighborhood with no defined campus boundaries. Architecturally dramatically different from Boston College.

    I hope daughter of @jameslileks learns more than the currently most visible Boston University alumna did. That Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who received a BA cum laude in economics and international relations from Boston University in 2011, could demonstrate such ignorance about economics should embarrass the university.

    I went to graduate school in Atlanta on a campus that was integrated into the city apart from the very core buildings like the Student Union where tours could meet and then walk.  When my son was university shopping, I took him there, and he was… uhhhh, no.  Yet I liked it: this strange merging of school and town.  We weren’t pretending to be Harvard, after all, and I love Atlanta.  I liked the merging of the school with Atlanta’s spirit, even when the homeless were a problem or a class was late and one wanted a police escort to the parking garage.  (Sounds strange, I know, but there was a weird cosmopolitan grit in all of that, which I wasn’t too old yet to find uninteresting.)

    Then again, I suspect my state school tuition was a bit lower than BC.  For the education I got, it was a bargain.  :)

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  17. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    I went to graduate school in Atlanta on a campus that was integrated into the city apart from the very core buildings like the Student Union where tours could meet and then walk. When my son was university shopping, I took him there, and he was… uhhhh, no. Yet I liked it: this strange merging of school and town. We weren’t pretending to be Harvard, after all, and I love Atlanta. I liked the merging of the school with Atlanta’s spirit, even when the homeless were a problem or a class was late and one wanted a police escort to the parking garage. (Sounds strange, I know, but there was a weird cosmopolitan grit in all of that, which I wasn’t too old yet to find uninteresting.)

    Then again, I suspect my state school tuition was a bit lower than BC. For the education I got, it was a bargain. :)

    Same for NYU, where I went to school. One of my classes was in the same building, even on the same floor, as the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire several decades before.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    But is the Pearson’s Nut Roll better than Payday?  I can’t go along with that.

    • #48
  19. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    I went to graduate school in Atlanta on a campus that was integrated into the city apart from the very core buildings like the Student Union where tours could meet and then walk. When my son was university shopping, I took him there, and he was… uhhhh, no. Yet I liked it: this strange merging of school and town. We weren’t pretending to be Harvard, after all, and I love Atlanta. I liked the merging of the school with Atlanta’s spirit, even when the homeless were a problem or a class was late and one wanted a police escort to the parking garage. (Sounds strange, I know, but there was a weird cosmopolitan grit in all of that, which I wasn’t too old yet to find uninteresting.)

    Then again, I suspect my state school tuition was a bit lower than BC. For the education I got, it was a bargain. :)

    Same for NYU, where I went to school. One of my classes was in the same building, even on the same floor, as the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire several decades before.

    NYU’s Bronx campus was more akin to an actual designated campus site. But the urban decay of the Bronx south of Fordham Road in the 1960s, the lack of close mass transit access and the hilly nature of the area, and the fact that Washington Square had far more cachet (and better real estate values) caused the university to dump it off to the city in the early 1970s, which turned it into Bronx Community College.

    • #49
  20. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    @jameslileks I also did my first visit to Boston in august while driving eastern Canada.

    I really recommend if you go again, do the ghost tour it was a blast of fun.  I only walked by Fanueil hall, but I made sure to make lots of Fallout 4 references in my posts to my facebook wall.

    Just spending a lot of time in Boston Common was great.  I have always wanted to visit the city and really wished to see all the sites from Banacek.

    Which clearly should have been the song to play @blueyeti

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpdt7CXrVmI

    • #50
  21. Elaine Minamide Inactive
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    I took the liberty of transcribing word-for-word Daniel’s response to Rob’s question about making an argument for civility in such a polarized society. I had to skip back and forth several times, but it was worth it. You’re welcome!

    To have civility, you also need humility.

    You have to have some degree of awareness that no one is ever 100% right or 100% sure.

    And that’s actually the whole point, not only of democracy, but the whole idea of free speech, of an open society where we debate and figure out what’s right, what the best ideas are, through the competition of ideas.

    And when you’re too sure that you’re right, that is often the first step to undoing that whole way of life.

    • #51
  22. Miffed White Male Member
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    Elaine Minamide (View Comment):

    I took the liberty of transcribing word for word Daniel’s response to Rob’s question about making an argument for civility in such a polarized society. I had to skip back and forth several times, but it was worth it. You’re welcome!

    “To have civility, you also need humility.

    You have to have some degree of awareness that no on is ever 100% right or 100% sure.

    And that’s actually the whole point, not only of democracy, but the whole idea of free speech, of an open society where we debate and figure out what’s right, what the best ideas are, through the competition of ideas.

    And when you’re too sure that you’re right, that is often the first step to undoing that whole way of life.”

    It’s not that I know I’m right, it’s that I know they’re wrong.

     

    • #52
  23. Annefy Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Elaine Minamide (View Comment):

    I took the liberty of transcribing word for word Daniel’s response to Rob’s question about making an argument for civility in such a polarized society. I had to skip back and forth several times, but it was worth it. You’re welcome!

    “To have civility, you also need humility.

    You have to have some degree of awareness that no on is ever 100% right or 100% sure.

    And that’s actually the whole point, not only of democracy, but the whole idea of free speech, of an open society where we debate and figure out what’s right, what the best ideas are, through the competition of ideas.

    And when you’re too sure that you’re right, that is often the first step to undoing that whole way of life.”

    It’s not that I know I’m right, it’s that I know they’re wrong.

    I love this. 

    • #53
  24. Blue Yeti Staff
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    @jameslileks I also did my first visit to Boston in august while driving eastern Canada.

    I really recommend if you go again, do the ghost tour it was a blast of fun. I only walked by Fanueil hall, but I made sure to make lots of Fallout 4 references in my posts to my facebook wall.

    Just spending a lot of time in Boston Common was great. I have always wanted to visit the city and really wished to see all the sites from Banacek.

    Which clearly should have been the song to play @blueyeti

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpdt7CXrVmI

    Lol.  Even more obscure than The Strangeloves! A new leader in the clubhouse…

    • #54
  25. Goddess of Discord Member
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Boston University:

    I too noted how un-campus-like BU was when our daughter looked at it in 2002. Many of the school buildings just mixed in with the surrounding neighborhood with no defined campus boundaries. Architecturally dramatically different from Boston College.

    I hope daughter of @jameslileks learns more than the currently most visible Boston University alumna did. That Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who received a BA cum laude in economics and international relations from Boston University in 2011, could demonstrate such ignorance about economics should embarrass the university.

    I went to graduate school in Atlanta on a campus that was integrated into the city apart from the very core buildings like the Student Union where tours could meet and then walk. When my son was university shopping, I took him there, and he was… uhhhh, no. Yet I liked it: this strange merging of school and town. We weren’t pretending to be Harvard, after all, and I love Atlanta. I liked the merging of the school with Atlanta’s spirit, even when the homeless were a problem or a class was late and one wanted a police escort to the parking garage. (Sounds strange, I know, but there was a weird cosmopolitan grit in all of that, which I wasn’t too old yet to find uninteresting.)

    Then again, I suspect my state school tuition was a bit lower than BC. For the education I got, it was a bargain. :)

     

    • #55
  26. Goddess of Discord Member
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    @GoddessofDiscord

    @Lois Lane Heck, I wanted a police escort from the library at closing time when I went to UGA back in the late 1970s.  I would probably have a stroke contemplating walking to my car at night in downtown Atlanta, where I was raised.

    • #56
  27. Goddess of Discord Member
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    In response to Rob’s response on what food is unique to the South, the correct answer is boiled peanuts, a Southern Delicacy! 

    Reflections: My father used to always proclaim, “I hate yankee beans!”  Traditional Southern green beans are pole beans, cooked for hours in ham hocks or a streak of lean. Me – I prefer yankee beans, although I never turn down old school.  

    I was at a conference in Denver immediately after the 2008 election where I met a woman from the Northeast. Upon learning I lived in Tennessee, she assumed I ate tons of fried chicken. I was bewildered. I responded that fried chicken is delicious, I was a rare treat.  She basically told me that I was a liar and ate fried chicken all the time.  Condescending twit. I might add that she was over the moon about Obama’s election. To the point that she really needed to quit talking. 

    • #57
  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    @jameslileks I also did my first visit to Boston in august while driving eastern Canada.

    I really recommend if you go again, do the ghost tour it was a blast of fun. I only walked by Fanueil hall, but I made sure to make lots of Fallout 4 references in my posts to my facebook wall.

    Just spending a lot of time in Boston Common was great. I have always wanted to visit the city and really wished to see all the sites from Banacek.

    Which clearly should have been the song to play @blueyeti

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpdt7CXrVmI

    Lol. Even more obscure than The Strangeloves! A new leader in the clubhouse…

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I watched Banacek “religiously” when it was first on, and I never heard of The Strangeloves.

    But you’d expect that from me, wouldn’t you?

    • #58
  29. LibertyDefender Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This isn’t very significant, but I thought one of the cooler things Charles did was research the Washington Redskins name issue really well. I forget where he came down on it, but it was really thoughtful.

    As I recall, surveys of Native Americans showed that they didn’t find the name offensive.

    Yep.

    Krauthammer’s point was it clearly had positive and negative connotations in different eras and locations. It wasn’t clearly pejorative.

    In 2014, I drove across North America west to east, mostly on two lane highways, including through many American Indian reservations.  I saw two (2) different high schools, each on a different reservation, with a sign out front announcing “Go [Mesa High School] Redskins!”

    One of the signs included a picture of the trademarked helmet insignia sported by the Washington Redskins.

    By and large, American Indians regard the term “Redskin” the same as Americans regard the term “Yankee,” which was originally intended as a slur.

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  30. Blue Yeti Staff
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    @jameslileks I also did my first visit to Boston in august while driving eastern Canada.

    I really recommend if you go again, do the ghost tour it was a blast of fun. I only walked by Fanueil hall, but I made sure to make lots of Fallout 4 references in my posts to my facebook wall.

    Just spending a lot of time in Boston Common was great. I have always wanted to visit the city and really wished to see all the sites from Banacek.

    Which clearly should have been the song to play @blueyeti

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpdt7CXrVmI

    Lol. Even more obscure than The Strangeloves! A new leader in the clubhouse…

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I watched Banacek “religiously” when it was first on, and I never heard of The Strangeloves.

    But you’d expect that from me, wouldn’t you?

    I could have written that response pretty much word for word  myself. 

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