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Our apologies for leaving you with Ricochet-less week! In order to make it up to you, we go big with a couple of our favorite recurring guests. First up is Ann Coulter to explain why she thinks the Republican Party is doing all it can to blow yet another election. Then Debra Saunders returns to take us through Dominion’s suit against Fox News and the outrageous biases therein.

The gang also touch on Robert Kennedy, Jr.’s challenge to Joe Biden (and the damage it could do to him!) along with Rob and Charles’ grand time in New Orleans meeting Ricochet members!

 

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  1. EJHill Staff
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    @EJHill

    FredGoodhue: However, Debra Saunders is a fellow at the Discovery Institute, who’s primary cause is creationism, which is lying to people who want to be lied to.

    That is not an accurate description. Creationism is based on sacred texts of the Abrahamic religions, while the Discovery Institute operates under the theory of Intelligent Design. From NPR:

    The limited scope of intelligent design, or ID, makes it compatible with a wide range of views. Some prominent ID theorists believe in evolution, or at least that species can change over time, and many believe that the Earth was created more than 10,000 years ago. But there are also ID theorists who believe in a literal reading of Genesis. There is at least some tension between the two camps. Young Earth creationists have criticized the intelligent design movement for encouraging a loose reading of the Bible. The design theorists respond that ID represents at least the partial truth and that it is, at the very least, the best available tool for dislodging what they see as the evolutionist dogma.

    We have many people here who believe in a Creator. The nation’s founding fathers certainly did. Or maybe you wish to embrace civilizational decline as the ultimate proof of Darwinism. 

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  2. Rōnin Coolidge
    Rōnin
    @Ronin

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Ann has always had a good relationship with Rush as far as I could tell. She is not enamored with either of the two men who took his place, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. And her fallout with National Review is well documented.

     

    Who hasn’t fallen out with National Review?

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  3. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    I listened to the Debra Saunders series on reporting in the White House. It was one of the best political podcasts I’ve ever listened to.

    However, Debra Saunders is a fellow at the Discovery Institute, who’s primary cause is creationism, which is lying to people who want to be lied to.

    Always a buck to made there.

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  4. Debra Saunders Member
    Debra Saunders
    @debrasaunders

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    I listened to the Debra Saunders series on reporting in the White House. It was one of the best political podcasts I’ve ever listened to.

    However, Debra Saunders is a fellow at the Discovery Institute, who’s primary cause is creationism, which is lying to people who want to be lied to.

    Thanks FredGoodhue for the kind words about “Covering Trump.”

    Thank you to EJHill for pointing out the erroneous assertion about Discovery and creationism. 

    What bothers me about this response is the guilt-by-association argument. It has nothing to do with the discussion and it’s a favorite tactic on the left to seek to isolate and marginalize people, not ideas. Also it suggests that people should only listen to approved voices, which you probably/hopefully did not intend to do.

    Ricochet is better than that.

     

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Debra Saunders (View Comment):

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    I listened to the Debra Saunders series on reporting in the White House. It was one of the best political podcasts I’ve ever listened to.

    However, Debra Saunders is a fellow at the Discovery Institute, who’s primary cause is creationism, which is lying to people who want to be lied to.

    Thanks FredGoodhue for the kind words about “Covering Trump.”

    Thank you to EJHill for pointing out the erroneous assertion about Discovery and creationism.

    What bothers me about this response is the guilt-by-association argument. It has nothing to do with the discussion and it’s a favorite tactic on the left to seek to isolate and marginalize people, not ideas. Also it suggests that people should only listen to approved voices, which you probably/hopefully did not intend to do.

    Ricochet is better than that.

     

    Have you been here much, lately?  :-)

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  6. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Debra Saunders (View Comment):

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    I listened to the Debra Saunders series on reporting in the White House. It was one of the best political podcasts I’ve ever listened to.

    However, Debra Saunders is a fellow at the Discovery Institute, who’s primary cause is creationism, which is lying to people who want to be lied to.

    Thanks FredGoodhue for the kind words about “Covering Trump.”

    Thank you to EJHill for pointing out the erroneous assertion about Discovery and creationism.

    What bothers me about this response is the guilt-by-association argument. It has nothing to do with the discussion and it’s a favorite tactic on the left to seek to isolate and marginalize people, not ideas. Also it suggests that people should only listen to approved voices, which you probably/hopefully did not intend to do.

    Ricochet is better than that.

    Have you been here much, lately? :-)

    Attacking ideas and institutions is taken quite personally by some people. I have been noticing that lately. My beef with Ann Coulter is that she always goes to the personal.

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  7. FredGoodhue Coolidge
    FredGoodhue
    @FredGoodhue

    Debra Saunders (View Comment):

    FredGoodhue (View Comment):

    I listened to the Debra Saunders series on reporting in the White House. It was one of the best political podcasts I’ve ever listened to.

    However, Debra Saunders is a fellow at the Discovery Institute, who’s primary cause is creationism, which is lying to people who want to be lied to.

    Thanks FredGoodhue for the kind words about “Covering Trump.”

    Thank you to EJHill for pointing out the erroneous assertion about Discovery and creationism.

    What bothers me about this response is the guilt-by-association argument. It has nothing to do with the discussion and it’s a favorite tactic on the left to seek to isolate and marginalize people, not ideas. Also it suggests that people should only listen to approved voices, which you probably/hopefully did not intend to do.

    Ricochet is better than that.

     

    I looked forward to listening to the his podcast primarily because I heard the podcast about covering Trump.

    But intelligent design is putting lipstick on the pig of creationism.  Of course people can believe what they want to believe.  My biggest problem with creationism is that it is associated with conservatism, and it makes conservatism look bad to most people and so harms conservatism.  

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  8. EJHill Staff
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    FredGoodhueBut intelligent design is putting lipstick on the pig of creationism. Of course people can believe what they want to believe. My biggest problem with creationism is that it is associated with conservatism, and it makes conservatism look bad to most people and so harms conservatism.

    If believing in God looks bad for conservatism then the country deserves what is about to befall it – good and hard.

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  9. FredGoodhue Coolidge
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    @FredGoodhue

    EJHill (View Comment):

    FredGoodhue: But intelligent design is putting lipstick on the pig of creationism. Of course people can believe what they want to believe. My biggest problem with creationism is that it is associated with conservatism, and it makes conservatism look bad to most people and so harms conservatism.

    If believing in God looks bad for conservatism then the country deserves what is about to befall it – good and hard.

    Creationism, in its various forms, is not a prerequisite for believing in God.

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  10. EJHill Staff
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    FredGoodhue: Creationism, in its various forms, is not a prerequisite for believing in God.

    Since when? Maybe in the First Church of Fred, but in Islam, Judaism and Christianity the story of the creation is the same. But more on point, what you’re saying is exactly the position of the Discovery Institute – that science points to a Creator but does not mandate belief in the six-day creation story of either the Torah or the Qur’an.

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  11. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    I have done a little research into intelligent design. It is not creationism. It is a worthwhile philosophical debate Dr. Bastiat wrote about it quite well.

    https://ricochet.com/631740/heisenberg-was-right-about-the-theology-of-frightened-warts/comment-page-4/#comments

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  12. Taras Coolidge
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    @Taras

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I have done a little research into intelligent design. It is not creationism. It is a worthwhile philosophical debate Dr. Bastiat wrote about it quite well.

    https://ricochet.com/631740/heisenberg-was-right-about-the-theology-of-frightened-warts/comment-page-4/#comments

    Actually genomes show much evidence of “stupid design”, because nature is selecting among random variations.  

    A good example is the sickle cell trait in Africa.   A random variation became widespread in the population because, overall, it produced a reproductive advantage.   Meanwhile, thousands of years later, a different random variation occurred in Asia, which also protects against malaria but without causing disease.

    Intelligent design is just creationism plus rationalization.

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  13. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Taras (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I have done a little research into intelligent design. It is not creationism. It is a worthwhile philosophical debate Dr. Bastiat wrote about it quite well.

    https://ricochet.com/631740/heisenberg-was-right-about-the-theology-of-frightened-warts/comment-page-4/#comments

    Actually genomes show much evidence of “stupid design”, because nature is selecting among random variations.

    A good example is the sickle cell trait in Africa. A random variation became widespread in the population because, overall, it produced a reproductive advantage. Meanwhile, thousands of years later, a different random variation occurred in Asia, which also protects against malaria but without causing disease.

    Intelligent design is just creationism plus rationalization.

    There are lots among of stupid designs among all humanity. But it seems to me that the amazing complexity of a nucleus suggests a G-d. 

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  14. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):
    Such a pleasure to hear the Fox News-obsessed Charlie C.W.A.B.C.D.E.F Cooke put in his place by a genteel older lady like Debra.

    That’s sure not how I would characterize it.  I don’t think anyone was “put in their place” and frankly, I think Charlie’s argument was the better one.  I would be shocked if Dominion’s prospects for future business hadn’t been damaged by all the false stories about how their voting machines were rigged.

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  15. EJHill Staff
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    Randy Weivoda: I would be shocked if Dominion’s prospects for future business hadn’t been damaged by all the false stories about how their voting machines were rigged.

    Ironically Dominion owns the intellectual assets of Diebold Voting Systems, who was run out of the voting business by Democrats who claimed the machines were rigged to deliver Ohio to George W. Bush.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):
    Such a pleasure to hear the Fox News-obsessed Charlie C.W.A.B.C.D.E.F Cooke put in his place by a genteel older lady like Debra.

    That’s sure not how I would characterize it. I don’t think anyone was “put in their place” and frankly, I think Charlie’s argument was the better one. I would be shocked if Dominion’s prospects for future business hadn’t been damaged by all the false stories about how their voting machines were rigged.

    Seems like that would only be a problem if the people who actually buy voting machines were influenced.  And those aren’t “regular people.”  Dominion doesn’t have to worry about a drop in sales of voting machines at Walmart.

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  17. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):
    Such a pleasure to hear the Fox News-obsessed Charlie C.W.A.B.C.D.E.F Cooke put in his place by a genteel older lady like Debra.

    That’s sure not how I would characterize it. I don’t think anyone was “put in their place” and frankly, I think Charlie’s argument was the better one. I would be shocked if Dominion’s prospects for future business hadn’t been damaged by all the false stories about how their voting machines were rigged.

    Seems like that would only be a problem if the people who actually buy voting machines were influenced. And those aren’t “regular people.” Dominion doesn’t have to worry about a drop in sales of voting machines at Walmart.

    Right, states buy voting machines.  And who runs states?  Elected officials.  If you have over half of Republican voters believing that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump and that Dominion voting machines were part of the conspiracy, there is a very heavy disincentive to choose to buy Dominion machines if you are a Republican legislator. 

    A couple decades ago the TV show 60 Minutes did a segment on the Audi 5000 and how the car would accelerate out of control, even though the driver didn’t have his foot on the gas.  Why, it seemed that the harder the driver stepped on the brake, the more the throttle would open!  60 Minutes even had a mechanic tamper with the transmission in one so they could show this happening on TV, although the audience wasn’t told that this was a tampered-with car.  The government launched an investigation and when these cases were investigated it turned out there was nothing mechanically wrong with these cars.  The phrase the government used was “pedal misapplication.”  The typical case was an older driver who was not the primary driver of the car and he or she stepped on the wrong pedal.  Once a few stories got out about this, everybody who had ever crashed an Audi 5000 jumped on the bandwagon and said Yes, it wasn’t my fault, these cars take off on their own.

    Even though the product was cleared, Audi sales were devastated because of the story.  You can bet that a lot more people heard about these out-of-control cars then heard that the cars were cleared.  Maybe people are smarter today than they were 20-30 years ago, but I doubt it.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Boethius1261972 (View Comment):
    Such a pleasure to hear the Fox News-obsessed Charlie C.W.A.B.C.D.E.F Cooke put in his place by a genteel older lady like Debra.

    That’s sure not how I would characterize it. I don’t think anyone was “put in their place” and frankly, I think Charlie’s argument was the better one. I would be shocked if Dominion’s prospects for future business hadn’t been damaged by all the false stories about how their voting machines were rigged.

    Seems like that would only be a problem if the people who actually buy voting machines were influenced. And those aren’t “regular people.” Dominion doesn’t have to worry about a drop in sales of voting machines at Walmart.

    Right, states buy voting machines. And who runs states? Elected officials. If you have over half of Republican voters believing that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump and that Dominion voting machines were part of the conspiracy, there is a very heavy disincentive to choose to buy Dominion machines if you are a Republican legislator.

    A couple decades ago the TV show 60 Minutes did a segment on the Audi 5000 and how the car would accelerate out of control, even though the driver didn’t have his foot on the gas. Why, it seemed that the harder the driver stepped on the brake, the more the throttle would open! 60 Minutes even had a mechanic tamper with the transmission in one so they could show this happening on TV, although the audience wasn’t told that this was a tampered-with car. The government launched an investigation and when these cases were investigated it turned out there was nothing mechanically wrong with these cars. The phrase the government used was “pedal misapplication.” The typical case was an older driver who was not the primary driver of the car and he or she stepped on the wrong pedal. Once a few stories got out about this, everybody who had ever crashed an Audi 5000 jumped on the bandwagon and said Yes, it wasn’t my fault, these cars take off on their own.

    Even though the product was cleared, Audi sales were devastated because of the story. You can bet that a lot more people heard about these out-of-control cars then heard that the cars were cleared. Maybe people are smarter today than they were 20-30 years ago, but I doubt it.

    But state elected officials didn’t buy Audi 5000s for people.

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  19. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    I think Coulter is wrong. DeSantis can say the people of the state of Florida have made a choice on abortion with a heartbeat law and that President DeSantis agrees that states can choose how to regulate abortion. He is pro-choice, when it comes to time and manner. Ann is hanging out with too many childless wine-aunts.

    Hmmm. Could Ann Coulter BE a childless wine-aunt?

    I did some looking.  Ann is in-fact a never-married, childless aunt.  She attended UMich at the same time I did, but I don’t remember seeing her–I did not hang around the law library much. 

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    I think Coulter is wrong. DeSantis can say the people of the state of Florida have made a choice on abortion with a heartbeat law and that President DeSantis agrees that states can choose how to regulate abortion. He is pro-choice, when it comes to time and manner. Ann is hanging out with too many childless wine-aunts.

    Hmmm. Could Ann Coulter BE a childless wine-aunt?

    I did some looking. Ann is in-fact a never-married, childless aunt. She attended UMich at the same time I did, but I don’t remember seeing her–I did not hang around the law library much.

    Yes, I did some checking too before writing that.  I guess the remaining question is her attitude about wine.

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