The Power Hour is a weekly podcast that discusses the most interesting energy and environmental policy issues of the day with top national experts. Join Jack this week for a conversation with Jason Hayes, Director of Energy and Environment at the Mackinac Center—a leading state-based research and policy institution. Jack and Jason discuss how Washington talking points on energy policy transform from the theoretical to impacting real lives and businesses on the ground in the states. They talk nuclear energy, Washington’s EV mandate, the electricity grid and a bunch of other topics, including how to pronounce Mackinac. Check out some of Jason’s and Mackinac’s work here and here.  Join the conversation with an email to! Thank you for listening and please don’t forget to subscribe and help us to spread the word.

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