The Spin Zone

Warning: The Surgeon General has determined that the podcast associated with this post contains jokes and observations that may offend some listeners who are supportive of the current President of The United States.

In this episode, the hosts of this show (that’s Jonah Goldberg, Rob Long, and John Podhoretz) pretend they are White House Press Secretaries and are tasked to spin some recent news stories in such a way that makes them a positive for the President (they also take on a few stories that having nothing to do with the CiC). Some may not find this funny. We understand that, hence this very specific warning. But if you can put aside your politics for an hour, we think you’ll enjoy this. But that’s not all: the guys also discuss the recent spate of black face black listing, why Instagram is not a primary news source, and scourge of social media and why no one should ponder joining Parler.

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  1. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    DanPuryear (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):
    Rob Long gave us an ignorant opinion of Robert E. Lee,

    What’s the best biography of Robert E. Lee? I heard he freed his slaves so I have some respect for the man. What’s Rob’s narrative.

    I agree that Rob’s opinion about Lee was really disappointing and displayed a shocking lack of knowledge. I think Rob in hilarious, and I like his sunny optimism. But on this point, he is way off base. The best biography of Lee is Charles Bracelon Flood’s “Lee: the Last Years”. Granted, it is not a biography of his whole life, but just the period after the war. But it demonstrates the remarkable integrity of the man, and how important a role he played in healing the wounds of the nation after the war.

    Robert E. Lee, the commander of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia and (from 1865) the general-in-chief of Confederate forces, neither owned slaves nor inherited any, thus it is not correct to assert that he “freed his slaves” (in 1862 or at any other time).https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/confederate-history-slave-ownership/

    The article goes on to explain that as executor of his father-in-law‘s will, he freed slaves belonging to his father-in-law.

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    DanPuryear (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):
    Rob Long gave us an ignorant opinion of Robert E. Lee,

    What’s the best biography of Robert E. Lee? I heard he freed his slaves so I have some respect for the man. What’s Rob’s narrative.

    I agree that Rob’s opinion about Lee was really disappointing and displayed a shocking lack of knowledge. I think Rob in hilarious, and I like his sunny optimism. But on this point, he is way off base. The best biography of Lee is Charles Bracelon Flood’s “Lee: the Last Years”. Granted, it is not a biography of his whole life, but just the period after the war. But it demonstrates the remarkable integrity of the man, and how important a role he played in healing the wounds of the nation after the war.

    Robert E. Lee, the commander of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia and (from 1865) the general-in-chief of Confederate forces, neither owned slaves nor inherited any, thus it is not correct to assert that he “freed his slaves” (in 1862 or at any other time).https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/confederate-history-slave-ownership/

    The article goes on to explain that as executor of his father-in-law‘s will, he freed slaves belonging to his father-in-law.

    Okay, how long until Snopes gets cancelled?

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  3. J Ro Member
    J Ro
    @JRo

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    DanPuryear (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):
    Rob Long gave us an ignorant opinion of Robert E. Lee,

    What’s the best biography of Robert E. Lee? I heard he freed his slaves so I have some respect for the man. What’s Rob’s narrative.

    I agree that Rob’s opinion about Lee was really disappointing and displayed a shocking lack of knowledge. I think Rob in hilarious, and I like his sunny optimism. But on this point, he is way off base. The best biography of Lee is Charles Bracelon Flood’s “Lee: the Last Years”. Granted, it is not a biography of his whole life, but just the period after the war. But it demonstrates the remarkable integrity of the man, and how important a role he played in healing the wounds of the nation after the war.

    Robert E. Lee, the commander of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia and (from 1865) the general-in-chief of Confederate forces, neither owned slaves nor inherited any, thus it is not correct to assert that he “freed his slaves” (in 1862 or at any other time).https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/confederate-history-slave-ownership/

    The article goes on to explain that as executor of his father-in-law‘s will, he freed slaves belonging to his father-in-law.

    Okay, how long until Snopes gets cancelled?

    How interesting it would be to hear Lee and Grant having an open and honest conversation about the slaves they and/or their wives and in-laws owned and how they handled it all. Naturally as major players their involvement and experiences are well scrutinized. We’re told that Grant, who ordered tens of thousands of soldiers (white and black) to their deaths in an extremely bloody civil war could not bring himself to order his slave to do any work. There ought to be statues to honor such a kind slaver!

    And surely he wasn’t the only slave owner (white or black) who was strongly inclined not to abuse or mistreat his/her valuable human property. Unfortunately not every failed farmer gets a chance and has the skills to have such successful second and third careers as Grant. 

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  4. Kevin Inactive
    Kevin
    @JaredSturgeon

    One of my favorite tropes on the right is the idea that any day now people on the left are going to be tearing each other apart.  I expect to riding to my re-education camp and over hear the dulcet tones of JPod talking about how any day the left will tear themselves apart and have a civil war and oh boy here it comes any day now.   

    Real soon.  

    Its going to be epic….

    • #94
  5. Kevin Inactive
    Kevin
    @JaredSturgeon

    Architectus (View Comment):

    They need to do a bit more homework if they are going to tackle serious issues on this particular podcast. Recent Democrat proposals for “vote by mail” are not the same as existing absentee voter processes (that are capable of being expanded) which are much more secure. Absentee voting is individual, by request with documentation, not mass mailing to faulty lists. And in many areas you can now use age and COVID as reasons for absentee ballot access. So it will work. But don’t expect the left wing press to inform you of this for the podcast. You need to look it up.

    In surveys they have discovered people on the left feel it is perfectly fine for parents to fill out their voting ballots for children who are too busy for politics and send it in.  People on the right respond that it is a major breach of the ballot to do that for their child.  So…look for big youth turnout in mail in ballots that is even more one sided than normal.   Honestly, voting age should be 35.  

    • #95
  6. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Listening again, I’m reminded of JPod’s… “screed?”… over Trump’s opposition to vote-by-mail since he believes that will make it harder for older people to vote for Trump, since they will be afraid to vote in person because virus.

    But that ignores the likelihood that many of these old peoples’ mailed-in ballots will either be made into Biden votes, or somehow not counted for one reason or another.

    • #96
  7. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Listening again, I’m reminded of JPod’s… “screed?”… over Trump’s opposition to vote-by-mail since he believes that will make it harder for older people to vote for Trump, since they will be afraid to vote in person because virus.

    But that ignores the likelihood that many of these old peoples’ mailed-in ballots will either be made into Biden votes, or somehow not counted for one reason or another.

    There’s that. But also Democrats wish to flood the zone with mail-in-ballots, sending them out en masse to people who might not even have requested any. And because the voter rolls are full of people who have moved or died, some addresses can end up with half a dozen ballots, making it very easy for someone to fill out multiple ballots.

    Democrats also create pre-filled ballots for people to just sign and return, and they use the elderly or mentally disabled that way.

    Then of course some people request absentee ballots and they never get them. I’m still not sure who ended up with my ballot from April, although the Wisconsin Elections Board claims one was mailed to me. (The Wisconsin elections board is controlled by Democrats! Surprise!) And there were multiple reports of bins of ballots discovered weeks after the election, though the reports didn’t clarify whether they were on their way out to voters and never arrived (like mine) or completed and on their way back (meaning votes that were never counted).

    Given the number of discovered ballots long after the results were finalized, I pretty much consider our April elections this year to be completely invalid. I’m pretty sure previous elections in this state are likewise invalid. Especially the one that put Tony Evers into office due to 50,000 ballots “discovered” in Milwaukee after Milwaukee reported that all their votes were counted. But Scott Walker was ahead by about 12,000 votes, so more votes had to be discovered. And lo and behold, look! A mysterious bin of ballots showed up in Milwaukee!

    Any conservative telling you that mail-in-voting is perfectly safe and we should totally have mass mail-in-voting in November is actually a Democrat operative gaslighting you.

    • #97
  8. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Turns out, the easiest way to fix a mail-in ballot election is simply to throw away some of the envelopes coming from Republican districts.  

    Postal workers are overwhelmingly Democrats; all you need is a few corrupt or fanatic ones.

    According to the NY Post, this has been going on for decades.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/think-talk-of-voter-fraud-is-bunk-read-this-confession-and-think-again-opinion/ar-BB18Anj1?ocid=uxbndlbing

    • #98
  9. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Listening again, I’m reminded of JPod’s… “screed?”… over Trump’s opposition to vote-by-mail since he believes that will make it harder for older people to vote for Trump, since they will be afraid to vote in person because virus.

    But that ignores the likelihood that many of these old peoples’ mailed-in ballots will either be made into Biden votes, or somehow not counted for one reason or another.

    There’s that. But also Democrats wish to flood the zone with mail-in-ballots, sending them out en masse to people who might not even have requested any. And because the voter rolls are full of people who have moved or died, some addresses can end up with half a dozen ballots, making it very easy for someone to fill out multiple ballots.

    Democrats also create pre-filled ballots for people to just sign and return, and they use the elderly or mentally disabled that way.

    Then of course some people request absentee ballots and they never get them. I’m still not sure who ended up with my ballot from April, although the Wisconsin Elections Board claims one was mailed to me. (The Wisconsin elections board is controlled by Democrats! Surprise!) And there were multiple reports of bins of ballots discovered weeks after the election, though the reports didn’t clarify whether they were on their way out to voters and never arrived (like mine) or completed and on their way back (meaning votes that were never counted).

    Actually, ballots that never made it to the voters were also votes that were never counted.

    Given the number of discovered ballots long after the results were finalized, I pretty much consider our April elections this year to be completely invalid. I’m pretty sure previous elections in this state are likewise invalid. Especially the one that put Tony Evers into office due to 50,000 ballots “discovered” in Milwaukee after Milwaukee reported that all their votes were counted. But Scott Walker was ahead by about 12,000 votes, so more votes had to be discovered. And lo and behold, look! A mysterious bin of ballots showed up in Milwaukee!

    Any conservative telling you that mail-in-voting is perfectly safe and we should totally have mass mail-in-voting in November is actually a Democrat operative gaslighting you.

    Another thing that really bugs me is that, apparently in some states at least, a mail ballot takes priority over an in-person vote.  So if the Dems “harvest” your mail ballot and send it in all “properly” filled out – THEIR way, of course – and maybe because you didn’t receive your mail ballot or because you never even ASKED FOR one, you vote in person… well guess what, that doesn’t count!  The fraudulent mail-in ballot counts!

    • #99
  10. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    Turns out, the easiest way to fix a mail-in ballot election is simply to throw away some of the envelopes coming from Republican districts.

    Postal workers are overwhelmingly Democrats; all you need is a few corrupt or fanatic ones.

    According to the NY Post, this has been going on for decades.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/think-talk-of-voter-fraud-is-bunk-read-this-confession-and-think-again-opinion/ar-BB18Anj1?ocid=uxbndlbing

    Thank you for that article, I sent the whole text to several friends and relatives, in case they couldn’t be bothered to look it up themselves.

    • #100
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