GLoP Magazine

Yes, we know we’re a little behind schedule this month, but better late than never (that’s what we tell ourselves, at least). This week, some commentary on the Commentary Roast, we get drafted into the streaming wars, some musing on the Woke Industrial Complex currently raging the in media business, and some musings on Dave Chapelle.

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  1. Patrick McClure Member

    Chappelle wasn’t lieing for the joke. He was pointing out that society has limited free speech to those who are acceptable, making it no longer free. 

    Mike Pence puritanical? Goldberg please.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 4:42 AM PDT
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  2. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    Not to nit pick but a G6 is a Pontiac. A G5 is an airplane. So as Rob said this, I imagined him driving around the world in a ’07 Pontiac G6 – and he’s imagining he’s living the posh life. (Dont you just love it, when people say not to nit pick, but then go straight ahead with it?)

    What Netflix is saying that they’d rather take $500 million and buy 1 audience proven property – than to spend it developing 25 (?) original programs that are a much higher risk profile? Isnt that the recipe for creating a smaller audience? When Disney takes away all the Marvell content for their own streaming service, CBS takes away all the Star Trek for their streaming services, whats going to be on Netflix? Old sitcoms, non-franchised movies and bad cop shows?

    I think the studios have figured out that Netflix doesnt have a special sauce that adds value to their properties. So they’ll build out their own streaming services milk their fan bases for the $9.95 a month directly. Warner, Disney and CBS all have massive catalogs of old shows they could stream and generate new revenue streams from. Leaving Netflix in the cold.

    Netflix is being short sighted – they should have spent that $500 million on new content. But leveraged that spending to access to back catalogs.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 5:03 AM PDT
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  3. Arahant Member

    I look forward to the issue of that magazine.

    • #3
    • September 20, 2019, at 5:27 AM PDT
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  4. Old Bathos Member

    The performances by the actors who played the serial killers in Mindhunters were fantastic. The rest was uneven and often tiresome.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 6:03 AM PDT
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  5. Joe D. Lincoln

    Hmm, by giving us Bill Deblasio’s name, did you just ***dead name*** him? For shame.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 6:13 AM PDT
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  6. J Ro Member

    Saddest thing in acting CVs: “Angry Villager” or other small part followed by the words “Scene deleted”.

    Before she starred in the award winning movie Showgirls, Elizabeth Berkley played the role of “Macrame Girl” in the movie Point Break. (Note: Scene Deleted)

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    • September 20, 2019, at 7:00 AM PDT
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  7. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The performances by the actors who played the serial killers in Mindhunters were fantastic. The rest was uneven and often tiresome.

    I didnt really get into Mindhunters, it looked like a re-hashing of “Criminal Minds” which I liked at first – but gave up on it after a couple of seasons. Serial killers just arent common enough to make 20 interesting episodes per season – particularly if they’re all disposed of in 1 episode.

    I really liked Bosch, The appliance repairman moonlighting as a detective… All the best clues are in the dishwasher’s drain filter! (attempted joke – if you havent seen the show) its a very solid police procedure. I really liked the story line with Jeri Ryan playing the retired prostitute trophy wife. Such a departure from 7of9 for her – I didnt recognize her the first time I watched the series. I kinda hoped she’d escape the Star Trek ghetto – but she’s back to 7of9 in the new Star Trek series.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 7:27 AM PDT
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  8. Old Bathos Member

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The performances by the actors who played the serial killers in Mindhunters were fantastic. The rest was uneven and often tiresome.

    I didnt really get into Mindhunters, it looked like a re-hashing of “Criminal Minds” which I liked at first – but gave up on it after a couple of seasons. Serial killers just arent common enough to make 20 interesting episodes per season – particularly if they’re all disposed of in 1 episode.

    I really liked Bosch, The appliance repairman moonlighting as a detective… All the best clues are in the dishwasher’s drain filter! (attempted joke – if you havent seen the show) its a very solid police procedure. I really liked the story line with Jeri Ryan playing the retired prostitute trophy wife. Such a departure from 7of9 for her – I didnt recognize her the first time I watched the series. I kinda hoped she’d escape the Star Trek ghetto – but she’s back to 7of9 in the new Star Trek series.

    I also liked Bosch. Solid cop show with strong characters, plot twists and a dash of LA film noir.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 8:38 AM PDT
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  9. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    I also liked Bosch. Solid cop show with strong characters, plot twists and a dash of LA film noir.

    Yes! An excellent summary. Cant wait for season 6.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 9:48 AM PDT
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  10. atbroome Member


    OccupantCDN (View Comment)
    :

    Not to nit pick but a G6 is a Pontiac. A G5 is an airplane. So as Rob said this, I imagined him driving around the world in a ’07 Pontiac G6 – and he’s imagining he’s living the posh life. (Dont you just love it, when people say not to nit pick, but then go straight ahead with it?)

     

    Not to nit pick the nit pick, but there is in fact a Gulfstream GVI ;)

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    • September 20, 2019, at 2:15 PM PDT
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  11. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    atbroome (View Comment):


    OccupantCDN (View Comment)
    :

    Not to nit pick but a G6 is a Pontiac. A G5 is an airplane. So as Rob said this, I imagined him driving around the world in a ’07 Pontiac G6 – and he’s imagining he’s living the posh life. (Dont you just love it, when people say not to nit pick, but then go straight ahead with it?)

     

    Not to nit pick the nit pick, but there is in fact a Gulfstream GVI ;)

    Not according to Google, I see a Gulfstream G650, when I google G6 – it goes to the G650.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 2:34 PM PDT
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  12. Arahant Member

    The model is designated Gulfstream GVI in its type certificate,[4] and may be configured to carry from 11 to 18 passengers.—Wikipedia

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    • September 20, 2019, at 2:39 PM PDT
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  13. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    OK ok… I imagined the Pontiac G6, actually a 2007 cherry red convertible 2 door coupe…. I did a quick google, and didnt see the line about the Gulf stream GVI…

    I stand corrected, but its still funny to imagine someone driving a 12 year old car around the world….

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    • September 20, 2019, at 3:38 PM PDT
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  14. Eustace C. Scrubb Member

    Would one of those 10 or 15 shows that continue to make money be “where everybody knows your name”?

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    • September 20, 2019, at 6:39 PM PDT
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  15. filmklassik Member

    Great podcast.

    My two cents: Maybe I’m alone in this — or nearly alone — but I’d much rather watch a good movie than even the greatest serialized TV shows such as Bosch, Mindhunters, etc. Serialized TV never seems to have enough story for the number of hours it needs to fill — six; eight; sometimes ten or more — so you inevitably see lots of water-treading, repetition of plot points, and endless digressions that wind up in narrative cul de sacs.

    Treading water.

    Thus, serialized TV is all about the taffy pull. About streeeeeeeetching things out ad nausem.

    But movies — the best of them, anyway — are all about reduction. Concision. Distillation. Which makes for a much more satisfying experience.

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    • September 20, 2019, at 7:14 PM PDT
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  16. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Great podcast.

    My two cents: Maybe I’m alone in this — or nearly alone — but I’d much rather watch a good movie than even the greatest serialized TV shows such as Bosch, Mindhunters, etc. Serialized TV never seems to have enough story for the number of hours it needs to fill — six; eight; sometimes ten or more — so you inevitably see lots of water-treading, repetition of plot points, and endless digressions that wind up in narrative cul de sacs.

    Treading water.

    Thus, serialized TV is all about the taffy pull. About streeeeeeeetching things out ad nausem.

    But movies — the best of them, anyway — are all about reduction. Concision. Distillation. Which makes for a much more satisfying experience.

    I see your point with the standard 20+ episode standard American drama, but if you look at some of the better short season dramas like “Absentia” (10 episodes per season) or “Killing Eve” (8 episodes per season) I think you’d find them very satisfying. A lot of Hollywood movies would’ve been better if they’d been shorter, I think a good movie should tell its story in about 100 minutes.

    With the class of 87, you can play 7 degrees of separation. I think it just illustrates how small the world these elites populate, they all know each other, have been frenemies since grade school. Wouldnt it be funny if all this hostility to Kavanaugh stems from a grade school yard fight that nobody directly remembers – but they all remember they hate each other.

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    • September 21, 2019, at 2:04 AM PDT
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  17. filmklassik Member

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Great podcast.

    My two cents: Maybe I’m alone in this — or nearly alone — but I’d much rather watch a good movie than even the greatest serialized TV shows such as Bosch, Mindhunters, etc. Serialized TV never seems to have enough story for the number of hours it needs to fill — six; eight; sometimes ten or more — so you inevitably see lots of water-treading, repetition of plot points, and endless digressions that wind up in narrative cul de sacs.

    Treading water.

    Thus, serialized TV is all about the taffy pull. About streeeeeeeetching things out ad nausem.

    But movies — the best of them, anyway — are all about reduction. Concision. Distillation. Which makes for a much more satisfying experience.

    I see your point with the standard 20+ episode standard American drama, but if you look at some of the better short season dramas like “Absentia” (10 episodes per season) or “Killing Eve” (8 episodes per season) I think you’d find them very satisfying. 

    Sorry. We just have different taste. Forget about 20+ episode dramas. Even the best-written, best shot, and best-acted 6, 8 and 10 hour miniseries still feel long to me.

     

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    • September 21, 2019, at 11:52 AM PDT
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  18. Arahant Member

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    Even the best-written, best shot, and best-acted 6, 8 and 10 hour miniseries still feel long to me.

    You have ADD, too? 😉

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    • September 21, 2019, at 11:54 AM PDT
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  19. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Sorry. We just have different taste. Forget about 20+ episode dramas. Even the best-written, best shot, and best-acted 6, 8 and 10 hour miniseries still feel long to me.

     

    You dont have to watch in 1 sitting… You can quit and go outside, and it’ll remember how much you’ve seen – a friend told me.

    I understand your point, and there are some fairly bad examples… “Bunheads” “Life Unexpected” are 2 of the most blatant examples that spring to my mind of your point. Both only lasted 1 season. They need their characters to learn the same lessons over and over again. Either demonstrating the writers dont think people ever learn from life and cannot change – or they dont think their audience are regular viewers and need to see the characters stumble through life. 

     

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    • September 21, 2019, at 1:35 PM PDT
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  20. filmklassik Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    Even the best-written, best shot, and best-acted 6, 8 and 10 hour miniseries still feel long to me.

    You have ADD, too? 😉

    Yeah, I have ADD. Me, Aristotle, Shakespeare, Arthur Miller, Tennesse Williams, Akira Kurosawa, Hitchcock, Hawks, Spielberg, Orson Welles. We all have ADD.

    There’s a reason that the 90 minute – 3 hour format has been the preferred one for dramatic storytelling for literally thousands of years and it ain’t because the right technology didn’t exist until recently. That’s insane. There were lonnnnnnng , sometimes multipart dramas done onstage before (Nicholas Nickleby, for one) and lonnnnnnnng multipart TV dramas done before, too (I Claudius, Roots, The Thorn Birds, The Winds of War, etc).

    No, the reason the 90 minute – 3 hour format has been the preferred one for literally thousands of years is that it is the best way for audiences to receive drama — the best way to provide them with a great beginning, fascinating middle, and resonant (and hopefully cathartic) end.

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    • September 21, 2019, at 2:09 PM PDT
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  21. Arahant Member

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    No, the reason the 90 minute – 3 hour format has been the preferred one for literally thousands of years is that it is the best way for audiences to receive drama; the best way to provide them with a great beginning, fascinating middle, and resonant (and hopefully cathartic) end.

    Despite my humor, I’m with you on this.

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    • September 21, 2019, at 2:15 PM PDT
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  22. filmklassik Member

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Sorry. We just have different taste. Forget about 20+ episode dramas. Even the best-written, best shot, and best-acted 6, 8 and 10 hour miniseries still feel long to me.

     

    You dont have to watch in 1 sitting… You can quit and go outside, and it’ll remember how much you’ve seen – a friend told me.

    Yes, I’m aware of that, but that isn’t the issue. The issue is not: “How are you watching the miniseries?” The issue is: “What demands does the miniseries format make on the writer that diminishes the experience for the viewer?”

    And the answer is: A lack of narrative economy; endless digressions; and lots of water-treading.

     

     

     

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    • September 21, 2019, at 2:15 PM PDT
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  23. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Sorry. We just have different taste. Forget about 20+ episode dramas. Even the best-written, best shot, and best-acted 6, 8 and 10 hour miniseries still feel long to me.

     

    You dont have to watch in 1 sitting… You can quit and go outside, and it’ll remember how much you’ve seen – a friend told me.

    Yes, I’m aware of that, but that isn’t the issue. The issue is not: “How are you watching the miniseries?” The issue is: “What demands does the miniseries format make on the writer that diminishes the experience for the viewer?”

    And the answer is: A lack of narrative economy; endless digressions; and lots of water-treading.

    I take some issue with you on this. Watch “Killing Eve” there is no water-treading, no repetition, its a very fast paced thriller.

    I think writers have to learn how to build the long story arcs into the episodic model of a season. I think in the past tv writing was very episode focused, with little to no long plan for longer story arcs. Which I think causes some of story problems that drive viewers nuts.

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    • September 21, 2019, at 2:30 PM PDT
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  24. kedavis Member

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):

    Sorry. We just have different taste. Forget about 20+ episode dramas. Even the best-written, best shot, and best-acted 6, 8 and 10 hour miniseries still feel long to me.

     

    You dont have to watch in 1 sitting… You can quit and go outside, and it’ll remember how much you’ve seen – a friend told me.

    I understand your point, and there are some fairly bad examples… “Bunheads” “Life Unexpected” are 2 of the most blatant examples that spring to my mind of your point. Both only lasted 1 season. They need their characters to learn the same lessons over and over again. Either demonstrating the writers dont think people ever learn from life and cannot change – or they dont think their audience are regular viewers and need to see the characters stumble through life.

     

    “Life Unexpected” had two seasons, 13 episodes each.

    There are certainly some stories that only suffer, not benefit, from being made as a mini-series or even a series. But beyond that, problems with making a series or mini-series seem more dependent on the quality of the writers or the lack thereof. It’s not inherent to the format.

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    • September 21, 2019, at 7:16 PM PDT
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  25. Henry Castaigne Member

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    Chappelle wasn’t lieing for the joke. He was pointing out that society has limited free speech to those who are acceptable, making it no longer free.

    Mike Pence puritanical? Goldberg please.

    Mike Pence doesn’t do things because of his Christianity. He doesn’t seem all that excited to tell other people what to do because of his Christianity. Where it only that progressives were the equivalent.

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    • September 23, 2019, at 7:50 PM PDT
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  26. Henry Castaigne Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    filmklassik (View Comment):
    No, the reason the 90 minute – 3 hour format has been the preferred one for literally thousands of years is that it is the best way for audiences to receive drama; the best way to provide them with a great beginning, fascinating middle, and resonant (and hopefully cathartic) end.

    Despite my humor, I’m with you on this.

    Does anybody else start nodding off after a two and a half hour Joe Rogan podcast? There seems to be a common theme here.

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    • September 23, 2019, at 9:59 PM PDT
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  27. Arahant Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Does anybody else start nodding off after a two and a half hour Joe Rogan podcast? There seems to be a common theme here.

    Two-and-a-half hours!? I get antsy when some of the Ricochet podcasts go 74 minutes.

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    • September 23, 2019, at 10:02 PM PDT
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  28. Henry Castaigne Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Does anybody else start nodding off after a two and a half hour Joe Rogan podcast? There seems to be a common theme here.

    Two-and-a-half hours!? I get antsy when some of the Ricochet podcasts go 74 minutes.

    I trained up with audiobooks to get ready for Rogan. 

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    • September 23, 2019, at 10:15 PM PDT
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  29. rdowhower Coolidge

    If Jonah thinks Mike Pence is a Puritan he’s even dumber and ignorant than I thought. Just because someone doesn’t feel the need to descend into juvenile potty-mouth gutter humor and isn’t obsessed with films that are only funny to teenage boys doesn’t make him a Puritan.

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    • September 24, 2019, at 9:29 AM PDT
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  30. kedavis Member

    rdowhower (View Comment):

    If Jonah thinks Mike Pence is a Puritan he’s even dumber and ignorant than I thought. Just because someone doesn’t feel the need to descend into juvenile potty-mouth gutter humor and isn’t obsessed with films that are only funny to teenage boys doesn’t make him a Puritan.

    Just for one more example.

    Am I the only one who figures that Jonah’s new venture is not going to do well? Because… Jonah?

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    • September 30, 2019, at 3:04 PM PDT
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