Liz Cheney: Fingernails on a Chalkboard?

 

You can’t possibly be as tired as I am at listening to and watching the media push Rep. Liz Cheney around like a woman in the center of a dodge ball game. As she becomes the only one left standing, she’s clearly not the winner, and it’s annoying and could be destructive to the Republican Party’s future.

Cheney is apparently prepared to play this fiddle as long as she can. She seems enraptured by The Big Lie, and every time the media asks her about it, she continues to embarrass herself. And I can’t figure out what she is trying to accomplish.

Is she determined to win this verbal/media war with Trump, at the risk of alienating her colleagues in the House?

Is she willing to be removed from leadership the Republican Conference Chair as the price she will pay?

Does she really think she’s being “picked on” because she voted for Trump’s impeachment? (So did 10 other Republicans, some in leadership positions, and none of them were penalized.)

Does she think that any publicity, good or bad, is worth her efforts?

Do you think she’s preparing for a Presidential run in 2024?

Or has she become so obsessed with Trump that she has simply lost her mind?

Meanwhile, her actions are being promoted by the media that like to say the Republican caucus is in chaos.

It’s not. So will the impact of her stand be forgotten in a couple of weeks?

Or could she be doing some serious damage?

It’s time to get on board, Liz, or step down while you still have an ounce of dignity.

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary, I have said this before. I wish you would join this group. You would be a big fish in a small pond, and they would introduce you to everybody but Pierre Omidyar. You could report back and I would be seriously interested in what you have to say.

     

    Well thanks RufusRJones!  I hadn’t taken you seriously, and then I got an invite today, and I signed up for the “Rally for Liz” on Tuesday from 3:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m.  I have an Initial Consultation at 2:00 p.m. but if I am not hired, I will be able to listen live.  Thank you for your recommendation.  I will keep you posted.  

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    I Walton (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I am very close to declaring a pox on both Democrats and Republicans. Liz Cheney may be enjoying her moment in the media sun too much, but her critique of Trump is not wrong.

    Seriously, both parties are working overtime to alienate voters. Who will win the race to to the bottom? Overreaching progressives or cultish populists? Unless one of the parties regains sanity, that is the question for the midterms and beyond.

    The Sanity you speak of is part of the problem. Trump got more votes than anyone in history. 

    Except for Biden who got 7 million more votes.

     

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hang On (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gary, I think the future is not one of the old liberal-conservative dichotomy, but rather radical progressivism vs. conservative populism. If that’s true, where does Liz Cheney fit on that spectrum? The populist leader, if it’s not going to be Trump, needs to be someone who nevertheless captures his appeal to the Trump base. You do realize the Republican Party doesnt exist without that base right? Frankly I hope Trump doesn’t come back, but whoever is going to take his place…it’s not going to be Liz Cheney.

    I reject both radical progressive and conservative populism. I am working for the resurgence of the Party of Reagan.

    And of course Reagan was a conservative populist. Your cognitive dissonance is astounding.

    I really don’t think so.  I see Reagan as a Classical Liberal, which while being a conservative, is nothing like a populist.  Reagan believed in free trade, and in legal immigration, both of which seem to be in disfavor with populism.  But it is within the realm of possibilities that I am wrong about this.

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  4. I Walton Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I Walton (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    I am very close to declaring a pox on both Democrats and Republicans. Liz Cheney may be enjoying her moment in the media sun too much, but her critique of Trump is not wrong.

    Seriously, both parties are working overtime to alienate voters. Who will win the race to to the bottom? Overreaching progressives or cultish populists? Unless one of the parties regains sanity, that is the question for the midterms and beyond.

    The Sanity you speak of is part of the problem. Trump got more votes than anyone in history.

    Except for Biden who got 7 million more votes.

     

    Yes if you believe the story.   Given where they occurred, how they occurred, why we can’t look at most of them objectively, how he didn’t campaign, why he’d never won outside of his state ever, the votes are hard to believe.  Anything is possible, but fraud is credible, the win isn’t. 

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  5. I Walton Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

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    W Bob (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gary, I think the future is not one of the old liberal-conservative dichotomy, but rather radical progressivism vs. conservative populism. If that’s true, where does Liz Cheney fit on that spectrum? The populist leader, if it’s not going to be Trump, needs to be someone who nevertheless captures his appeal to the Trump base. You do realize the Republican Party doesnt exist without that base right? Frankly I hope Trump doesn’t come back, but whoever is going to take his place…it’s not going to be Liz Cheney.

    I reject both radical progressive and conservative populism. I am working for the resurgence of the Party of Reagan.

    And of course Reagan was a conservative populist. Your cognitive dissonance is astounding.

    I really don’t think so. I see Reagan as a Classical Liberal, which while being a conservative, is nothing like a populist. Reagan believed in free trade, and in legal immigration, both of which seem to be in disfavor with populism. But it is within the realm of possibilities that I am wrong about this.

    Yes.  Global free trade when Reagan was president was smaller total than North American trade today.  Some industries have infinite economies of scale.  They are a problem we have to deal with.  Then there’s China.  They are in charge  and are going to replace us as the leader and that’s not going to be good for anybody, not even the Chinese.  Democrats act as if they were our old friend,  good old China. 

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    I Walton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    W Bob (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gary, I think the future is not one of the old liberal-conservative dichotomy, but rather radical progressivism vs. conservative populism. If that’s true, where does Liz Cheney fit on that spectrum? The populist leader, if it’s not going to be Trump, needs to be someone who nevertheless captures his appeal to the Trump base. You do realize the Republican Party doesnt exist without that base right? Frankly I hope Trump doesn’t come back, but whoever is going to take his place…it’s not going to be Liz Cheney.

    I reject both radical progressive and conservative populism. I am working for the resurgence of the Party of Reagan.

    And of course Reagan was a conservative populist. Your cognitive dissonance is astounding.

    I really don’t think so. I see Reagan as a Classical Liberal, which while being a conservative, is nothing like a populist. Reagan believed in free trade, and in legal immigration, both of which seem to be in disfavor with populism. But it is within the realm of possibilities that I am wrong about this.

    Yes. Global free trade when Reagan was president was smaller total than North American trade today. Some industries have infinite economies of scale. They are a problem we have to deal with. Then there’s China. They are in charge and are going to replace us as the leader and that’s not going to be good for anybody, not even the Chinese. Democrats act as if they were our old friend, good old China.

    We are set up all wrong for the wade deflation  and job destruction coming from globalized trade and automation. This is a very thorny topic. Watch interviews of Jeff Booth. He doesn’t even mention trade most of the time.

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  7. Zafar Member
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    I Walton (View Comment):
    Global free trade when Reagan was president was smaller total than North American trade today.  Some industries have infinite economies of scale.  They are a problem we have to deal with.  Then there’s China.  They are in charge  and are going to replace us as the leader and that’s not going to be good for anybody, not even the Chinese.

    It might be good for them, but I’m curious what happens if it changes the currency of international trade from the US dollar to the Yuan.

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  8. Rodin Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    I Walton (View Comment):
    Global free trade when Reagan was president was smaller total than North American trade today. Some industries have infinite economies of scale. They are a problem we have to deal with. Then there’s China. They are in charge and are going to replace us as the leader and that’s not going to be good for anybody, not even the Chinese.

    It might be good for them, but I’m curious what happens if it changes the currency of international trade from the US dollar to the Yuan.

    Currency manipulation will be fierce in service to the CCP accelerating its global dominance. 

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):

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    I Walton (View Comment):
    Global free trade when Reagan was president was smaller total than North American trade today. Some industries have infinite economies of scale. They are a problem we have to deal with. Then there’s China. They are in charge and are going to replace us as the leader and that’s not going to be good for anybody, not even the Chinese.

    It might be good for them, but I’m curious what happens if it changes the currency of international trade from the US dollar to the Yuan.

    Currency manipulation will be fierce in service to the CCP accelerating its global dominance.

    This topic is really complicated. For one thing they don’t have decent property protection, so nobody’s going to want it in that sense. I forget all of the details, but it would really complicate what they want to do as a country that is basically a mafia with an army.

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  10. Hang On Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

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    W Bob (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gary, I think the future is not one of the old liberal-conservative dichotomy, but rather radical progressivism vs. conservative populism. If that’s true, where does Liz Cheney fit on that spectrum? The populist leader, if it’s not going to be Trump, needs to be someone who nevertheless captures his appeal to the Trump base. You do realize the Republican Party doesnt exist without that base right? Frankly I hope Trump doesn’t come back, but whoever is going to take his place…it’s not going to be Liz Cheney.

    I reject both radical progressive and conservative populism. I am working for the resurgence of the Party of Reagan.

    And of course Reagan was a conservative populist. Your cognitive dissonance is astounding.

    I really don’t think so. I see Reagan as a Classical Liberal, which while being a conservative, is nothing like a populist. Reagan believed in free trade, and in legal immigration, both of which seem to be in disfavor with populism. But it is within the realm of possibilities that I am wrong about this.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/most-republicans-wish-they-were-reagan-trump-actually-ncna801471

    Reagan won in 1966 as a result of running against the poor job California’s elites were doing. The riots, the crime, the campus protest, championing the working class. Read Lou Cannon’s books of Reagan on the campaign trail and also as governor. 

    The problem with free trade is there is no such thing. It is a unicorn. If there were free trade existed you wouldn’t need huge legalistic treaties employing hundreds of lawyers.

    Who is opposed to legal immigration? It’s a question of numbers. And the impacts it has on different sub-population groups. Populists are opposed to illegal immigration. Populists are opposed to sanctuary cities and want to deny them any federal money. 

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Free trade is deflationary. As in wage deflation and job destruction. Our government and financial system requires inflation. 

    Good luck resolving that.

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  12. TBA Coolidge
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    It’s weird how people will claim that Trump is an aberration, yet try so hard to tarnish anything he did and otherwise try to destroy or eradicate him. 

    That’s fear. 

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary, I think the future is not one of the old liberal-conservative dichotomy, but rather radical progressivism vs. conservative populism. If that’s true, where does Liz Cheney fit on that spectrum? The populist leader, if it’s not going to be Trump, needs to be someone who nevertheless captures his appeal to the Trump base. You do realize the Republican Party doesnt exist without that base right? Frankly I hope Trump doesn’t come back, but whoever is going to take his place…it’s not going to be Liz Cheney.

    I reject both radical progressive and conservative populism. I am working for the resurgence of the Party of Reagan.

    By supporting and voting for senile Joe Biden?

    I wore a “Republicans for Biden” t-shirt today to lunch, which was a huge Mother’s Day buffet.

    One man came up to me and said that my t-shirt said what he believed. I said that I had voted for a Democrat for President for the first time in 48 years. He said that he had never before voted for a Democrat for President.

    I also had a woman walk by me and yell “Biden cheated.” As she was walking away and it would be impolite for me to yell back to her, I let it go. It is important to choose one’s fights.

    Nobody ever said you were alone in your delusions.

    More’s the pity.

    You realize that Trump lost by .2%, .3% and .6% in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin which was the margin in the election. The NeverTrumpers denied Trump a second term. We may not be able to elect one of our own yet (see TX-6), but we can exercise a veto on the Donald Trump, and we did, and will do so in the future.

    .and now we blame you for Biden. No brownie points for you.

    Reagan used to say that some answers are not easy, but they are simple.

    I think that the answer here is simple. Don’t give Trump a pass for the Trump Big Lie and the 1/6 Capitol Riot. The blame for the Georgia defeat of two senators is frankly due to Trump’s obsession that he had lost Georgia despite a machine and hand recount. Leave Trump behind. Follow the positive, inclusive path shown by Reagan. Trump gave you Biden. Choose a leader who is consistent with smaller government, inclusiveness, a strong national defense, free trade, and a strong dollar. To quote a former member or Ricochet, “Live Not By Lies.” Reject the Trump Big Lie, and leave Trump behind.

    Have you ever considered that you are the one who has “bought the Big Lie”?

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary, I think the future is not one of the old liberal-conservative dichotomy, but rather radical progressivism vs. conservative populism. If that’s true, where does Liz Cheney fit on that spectrum? The populist leader, if it’s not going to be Trump, needs to be someone who nevertheless captures his appeal to the Trump base. You do realize the Republican Party doesnt exist without that base right? Frankly I hope Trump doesn’t come back, but whoever is going to take his place…it’s not going to be Liz Cheney.

    I reject both radical progressive and conservative populism. I am working for the resurgence of the Party of Reagan.

    By supporting and voting for senile Joe Biden?

    I wore a “Republicans for Biden” t-shirt today to lunch, which was a huge Mother’s Day buffet.

    One man came up to me and said that my t-shirt said what he believed. I said that I had voted for a Democrat for President for the first time in 48 years. He said that he had never before voted for a Democrat for President.

    I also had a woman walk by me and yell “Biden cheated.” As she was walking away and it would be impolite for me to yell back to her, I let it go. It is important to choose one’s fights.

    Nobody ever said you were alone in your delusions.

    More’s the pity.

    You realize that Trump lost by .2%, .3% and .6% in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin which was the margin in the election. The NeverTrumpers denied Trump a second term. We may not be able to elect one of our own yet (see TX-6), but we can exercise a veto on the Donald Trump, and we did, and will do so in the future.

    .and now we blame you for Biden. No brownie points for you.

    Reagan used to say that some answers are not easy, but they are simple.

    I think that the answer here is simple. Don’t give Trump a pass for the Trump Big Lie and the 1/6 Capitol Riot. The blame for the Georgia defeat of two senators is frankly due to Trump’s obsession that he had lost Georgia despite a machine and hand recount. Leave Trump behind. Follow the positive, inclusive path shown by Reagan. Trump gave you Biden. Choose a leader who is consistent with smaller government, inclusiveness, a strong national defense, free trade, and a strong dollar. To quote a former member or Ricochet, “Live Not By Lies.” Reject the Trump Big Lie, and leave Trump behind.

    This is all boiler plate when you are talking about policy.

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Follow the positive, inclusive path shown by Reagan.

    This is a lot more complicated right now. Trump was plenty inclusive with non-whites in the last election.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Choose a leader who is consistent with smaller government,

    When has the GOP been like this, really? We have gone so far the other way you can’t just make statements like that, particularly with healthcare, but with other things too. Trade.

    We just have gone so far past the Rubicon on big government. 

     

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    free trade, and a strong dollar.

    This is a very complicated subject right now. It just isn’t that simple. Plus nobody in power ever really wants a strong dollar. It’s just a big lie. For a whole bunch of reasons they would rather have a weak dollar and try to make it up with redistribution.

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