No, Don’t Vaccinate First Graders

 

A recent National Review article asked, “Could We Really Be Vaccinating First-Graders by Autumn?” Let’s put aside the politics for a moment. This is a bad idea, a tremendously bad idea.

First, Covid is a seasonal virus that, having found its place in the population, can be expected to remain only at low levels now that herd immunity is near. Vaccination is not needed.

Second, six-year-olds neither suffer from nor carry the virus. The vaccine is not known to be effective for 20-30 years, so we don’t know if the vaccine given today will be effective when they are old enough for it to matter.

Third and last, the present vaccine works by a novel and very troubling mechanism. It inserts mRNA into our cells which then compels our cells to make the “spike protein” which our Chinese friends worked so long and hard to modify to its present lethality. From the CDC: “(the mRNA vaccines) contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19 that gives our cells instructions for how to make a harmless protein that is unique to the virus. After our cells make copies of the protein, they destroy the genetic material from the vaccine. Our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.”

This is scary stuff. On the basis of the current panic, we are injecting people with a vaccine that will cause them to add a protein to their cell membranes. A protein that is purportedly harmless but is still recognized by our lymphocytes as foreign and thus deserving a response.

OK. It’s 2023, and in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, Wu-flu is merely a very bad memory. Now what happens when the vaccinated person gets some sort of an immune system trigger, say a bout of hypoglycemia, or placement of breast implants, or exposure to another novel virus, or something, and the body reactivates its immune response to the novel spike protein? Are we going to see people develop autoimmunity and diseases like systemic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and hypersensitivity pneumonitis due to these new cell wall proteins?

We don’t know, and we can’t know, because it will take 20 years to get a 20-year perspective.  I think we will because nothing in medicine, politics, or life is without unexpected consequences.

This is potentially more dangerous than the lockdowns. The mRNA vaccines have the potential to cause far more harm than the disease they intend to prevent. No one except those most fraught with short-term risk should receive these vaccines. I sure as hell won’t take one.

In 1942, Edward Teller reasoned that an atomic bomb might ignite the atmosphere and oceans in a chain reaction that would consume the earth. His colleagues took this seriously enough to perform a detailed study that showed that this could not happen.

We need a Teller for the Covid vaccines.

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  1. tigerlily Member
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    Thanks Dr Robert. Just the idea of vaccinating young children for something which has shown itself to be of almost no danger to them is asinine on it’s face. But, then again, we’ve seen an awful lot of foolishness and worse from the “experts” throughout this ordeal.

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  2. MarciN Member
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    This is especially concerning given that there are effective and inexpensive treatments and preventive strategies. 

    I think these are great preventive medicines for people over fifty years old, provided the vaccines don’t leak out into the environment. 

    I wonder why the medical community is not more active in opposing the widespread use of this group of vaccines? This is crazy.

    I applaud Moderna’s thinking and strategy in that what they were trying to do was find a way to develop vaccines faster than the DNA-based vaccines. However, as much as I would like to see them recoup their tremendous investment, and I really love invention and discovery, I’m afraid I’d rather they lost their investment than see the civilized world embark on a very bad idea. Frankly, I’m surprised that the company survived as long as it did–it was quite obvious that the testing for efficacy and safety would take nearly a year no matter how fast the vaccine was developed. I don’t understand why people invested in it so heavily in the first place. 

    As I say that, these are very intelligent people. Surely they addressed these concerns in their work and development. Or is the world of science research hopelessly compartmentalized now because it requires such a high level of specialization and each scientist works on such a tiny part of the puzzle? 

     

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  3. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    A cynical person might think this is a money grab by Big Pharma.   Dr. “death” Fauci tells me that getting a vaccination will change the need for masks and self-isolation. 

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  4. Doctor Robert Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    This is especially concerning given that there are effective and inexpensive treatments and preventive strategies.

    I think these are great preventive medicines for people over fifty years old, provided the vaccines don’t leak out into the environment.

    I wonder why the medical community is not more active in opposing the widespread use of this group of vaccines? This is crazy.

    I applaud Moderna’s thinking and strategy in that what they were trying to do was find a way to develop vaccines faster than the DNA-based vaccines. However, as much as I would like to see them recoup their tremendous investment, and I really love invention and discovery, I’m afraid I’d rather they lost their investment than see the civilized world embark on a very bad idea. Frankly, I’m surprised that the company survived as long as it did–it was quite obvious that the testing for efficacy and safety would take nearly a year no matter how fast the vaccine was developed. I don’t understand why people invested in it so heavily in the first place.

    As I say that, these are very intelligent people. Surely they addressed these concerns in their work and development. Or is the world of science research hopelessly compartmentalized now because it requires such a high level of specialization and each scientist works on such a tiny part of the puzzle?

     

    One would expect…but one has no proof of such expectation.

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  5. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    One thought.  Our government has a history of using vaccination programs for alternative additional uses.  One that seems to be consistent is DNA collection in many parts of the world to track its enemies.   Given that enemy is now anybody that is white or have voted for Trump what safe guards are in place to be sure this is not happening now in the good old US of A?  It would explain why the government is insistent on pushing this into groups that do not need it.

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  6. Doctor Robert Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    I wonder why the medical community is not more active in opposing the widespread use of this group of vaccines? This is crazy.

    Two Docs out of three realize the degree to which this panic is a tool of oppression.  One risks firing for saying so. 

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  7. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    This is especially concerning given that there are effective and inexpensive treatments and preventive strategies.

    I think these are great preventive medicines for people over fifty years old, provided the vaccines don’t leak out into the environment.

    I wonder why the medical community is not more active in opposing the widespread use of this group of vaccines? This is crazy.

    I applaud Moderna’s thinking and strategy in that what they were trying to do was find a way to develop vaccines faster than the DNA-based vaccines. However, as much as I would like to see them recoup their tremendous investment, and I really love invention and discovery, I’m afraid I’d rather they lost their investment than see the civilized world embark on a very bad idea. Frankly, I’m surprised that the company survived as long as it did–it was quite obvious that the testing for efficacy and safety would take nearly a year no matter how fast the vaccine was developed. I don’t understand why people invested in it so heavily in the first place.

    As I say that, these are very intelligent people. Surely they addressed these concerns in their work and development. Or is the world of science research hopelessly compartmentalized now because it requires such a high level of specialization and each scientist works on such a tiny part of the puzzle?

     

    Moderna entire business model is mRNA gene therapy 

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  8. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    This is especially concerning given that there are effective and inexpensive treatments and preventive strategies.

    I think these are great preventive medicines for people over fifty years old, provided the vaccines don’t leak out into the environment.

    I wonder why the medical community is not more active in opposing the widespread use of this group of vaccines? This is crazy.

    I applaud Moderna’s thinking and strategy in that what they were trying to do was find a way to develop vaccines faster than the DNA-based vaccines. However, as much as I would like to see them recoup their tremendous investment, and I really love invention and discovery, I’m afraid I’d rather they lost their investment than see the civilized world embark on a very bad idea. Frankly, I’m surprised that the company survived as long as it did–it was quite obvious that the testing for efficacy and safety would take nearly a year no matter how fast the vaccine was developed. I don’t understand why people invested in it so heavily in the first place.

    As I say that, these are very intelligent people. Surely they addressed these concerns in their work and development. Or is the world of science research hopelessly compartmentalized now because it requires such a high level of specialization and each scientist works on such a tiny part of the puzzle?

     

    We must follow the political science 

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  9. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Doctor Robert: In 1942, Edward Teller reasoned that an atomic bomb might ignite the atmosphere and oceans in a chain reaction that would consume the earth.

    Enrico Fermi famously took bets on whether the Trinity blast would ignite the atmosphere.   Who will take the bets on autoimmune disease 20 years hence?

    When you have cancer,  the risks of gene therapy can outweigh the risk of dying.  In an otherwise healthy person, gene therapy against a virus is…questionable.  Who will push back?  My bet is very few.

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  10. Kozak Member
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    Doctor Robert
    : First, covid is a seasonal virus which, having found its place in the population, can be expected to remain only at low levels now that herd immunity is near. Vaccination is not needed.

    How is this any different than the annual Influenza  that we vaccinate for?

     

    Doctor Robert: Second, 6 year olds neither suffer from nor carry the virus.

    So the children I see in clinic, that test positive for Covid and are symptomatic don’t have it?

    They don’t infect their parents and grandparents. Or their babysitters. Or classmates. Sure they don’t.

    Doctor Robert: This is scary stuff.

    Come on doctor.  Thats ridiculous.

    Every vaccine ever created tricks the immune system into creating antibodies, B cell and T cell response to some protein unique to the pathogen.  No different.

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  11. MarciN Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):


    Doctor Robert
    : First, covid is a seasonal virus which, having found its place in the population, can be expected to remain only at low levels now that herd immunity is near. Vaccination is not needed.

    How is this any different than the annual Influenza that we vaccinate for?

    Doctor Robert: Second, 6 year olds neither suffer from nor carry the virus.

    So the children I see in clinic, that test positive for Covid and are symptomatic don’t have it?

    They don’t infect their parents and grandparents. Or their babysitters. Or classmates. Sure they don’t.

    Doctor Robert: This is scary stuff.

    Come on doctor. That’s ridiculous.

    Every vaccine ever created tricks the immune system into creating antibodies, B cell and T cell response to some protein unique to the pathogen. No different.

    This is really hard to sort out for people.

    To Dr. Robert, I would ask, wouldn’t the effects you are describing when a vaccinated person encountered any other coronavirus–that is, the common cold–have already been discovered in the first round of clinical trials nine months ago? That’s a group of people we’ve been following closely. But it probably didn’t include too many children, and that’s the group you’re concerned with. Why take the chance if there are other treatment options?

    My instincts are saying this type of vaccine is probably okay for older people. The theory can’t be that far off. The researchers involved wouldn’t have gone as far as they have gone with it if it were.

    And these are the same drug companies that make every other drug I take, whether that’s in a hospital or at home.

    On the other hand, gene therapy is pretty new. Dr. Robert’s concerns over the long-term effects on an individual’s mRNA system make sense too. This could turn out to be a problem for people with a compromised immune system. But I would think if that were true, it would have shown up by now in significant numbers.

    It’s really hard to know how to decide.

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  12. MarciN Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    How is this any different than the annual Influenza that we vaccinate for?

    I’m having the same problem with so many doctors saying that we need to keep the controls–masks and so on–in place even if a lot of people have been vaccinated. My dentist said this to me a couple of weeks ago. I said, “Wait. How is this is any different from any other disease we have vaccinations for? Between innate immunity, acquired immunity, and vaccination-induced immunity, the numbers will go steadily down, just as they do for every other disease. Right?”

    She smiled, “You know what? You’re right. You’re absolutely right.” 

    I don’t understand why so many doctors are thinking we need to make these controls a way of life. We don’t have to do that now. 

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  13. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):


    Doctor Robert
    : First, covid is a seasonal virus which, having found its place in the population, can be expected to remain only at low levels now that herd immunity is near. Vaccination is not needed.

    How is this any different than the annual Influenza that we vaccinate for?

    Doctor Robert: Second, 6 year olds neither suffer from nor carry the virus.

    So the children I see in clinic, that test positive for Covid and are symptomatic don’t have it?

    They don’t infect their parents and grandparents. Or their babysitters. Or classmates. Sure they don’t.

    Doctor Robert: This is scary stuff.

    Come on doctor. That’s ridiculous.

    Every vaccine ever created tricks the immune system into creating antibodies, B cell and T cell response to some protein unique to the pathogen. No different.

    This is really hard to sort out for people.

    To Dr. Robert, I would ask, wouldn’t the effects you are describing when a vaccinated person encountered any other coronavirus–that is, the common cold–have already been discovered in the first round of clinical trials nine months ago? That’s a group of people we’ve been following closely. But it probably didn’t include too many children, and that’s the group you’re concerned with. Why take the chance if there are other treatment options?

    My instincts are saying this type of vaccine is probably okay for older people. The theory can’t be that far off. The researchers involved wouldn’t have gone as far as they have gone with it if it were.

    And these are the same drug companies that make every other drug I take, whether that’s in a hospital or at home.

    On the other hand, gene therapy is pretty new. Dr. Robert’s concerns over the long-term effects on an individual’s mRNA system make sense too. This could turn out to be a problem for people with a compromised immune system. But I would think if that were true, it would have shown up by now in significant numbers.

    It’s really hard to know how to decide.

    Which is why you cannot force people to be covid ‘vaccinated’

     

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  14. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    How is this any different than the annual Influenza that we vaccinate for?

    I’m having the same problem with so many doctors saying that we need to keep the controls–masks and so on–in place even if a lot of people have been vaccinated. My dentist said this to me a couple of weeks ago. I said, “Wait. How is this is any different from any other disease we have vaccinations for? Between innate immunity, acquired immunity, and vaccination-induced immunity, the numbers will go steadily down, just as they do for every other disease. Right?”

    She smiled, “You know what? You’re right. You’re absolutely right.”

    I don’t understand why so many doctors are thinking we need to make these controls a way of life. We don’t have to do that now.

     

    Doctors today don’t think like they used to — some of them have given up on ‘thinking’

     

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  15. Saint Augustine Member
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    Doctor Robert:

    Now what happens when the vaccinated person gets some sort of an immune system trigger, say a bout of hypoglycemia, or placement of breast implants, or exposure to another novel virus, or something, and the body reactivates its immune response to the novel spike protein? Are we going to see people develop autoimmunity and diseases like systemic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and hypersensitivity pneumonitis due to these new cell wall proteins?

    Would that be possible if the CDC description is correct?  It’s teaching the immune system to react to the spikes. I don’t understand how that would lead to side effects other than maybe a response to a virus with similar spikes.

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  16. Saint Augustine Member
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    Doctor Robert:

    Let’s put aside the politics for a moment. This is a bad idea, a tremendously bad idea.

    In any case, agreed.

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  17. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert:

    Now what happens when the vaccinated person gets some sort of an immune system trigger, say a bout of hypoglycemia, or placement of breast implants, or exposure to another novel virus, or something, and the body reactivates its immune response to the novel spike protein? Are we going to see people develop autoimmunity and diseases like systemic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and hypersensitivity pneumonitis due to these new cell wall proteins?

    Would that be possible if the CDC description is correct? It’s teaching the immune system to react to the spikes. I don’t understand how that would lead to side effects other than maybe a response to a virus with similar spikes.

    This type of gene therapy using mRNA is new and has never been given to a large population 

    There may be no adverse side effects but only time will tell

     

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  18. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert:

    Now what happens when the vaccinated person gets some sort of an immune system trigger, say a bout of hypoglycemia, or placement of breast implants, or exposure to another novel virus, or something, and the body reactivates its immune response to the novel spike protein? Are we going to see people develop autoimmunity and diseases like systemic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and hypersensitivity pneumonitis due to these new cell wall proteins?

    Would that be possible if the CDC description is correct? It’s teaching the immune system to react to the spikes. I don’t understand how that would lead to side effects other than maybe a response to a virus with similar spikes.

    I remember 20 years ago my friend was reluctant to get lasik because the procedure was too new at the time… what if it leads to blindness… I think we can safely rule out blindness as a side effect of lasik but only after the procedure was approved in US in 1997 and in Canada in 1982

     

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  19. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/a_doctors_view_about_the_new_mrna_vaccines.html

    Our history shows there are good reasons why new medicines and vaccines are not rushed into widespread use until we have multiple studies and time to assess the safety and efficacy of the new treatments. If the death rate from COVID-19 were much higher, it might make the risks acceptable to try an experimental vaccine. Given that the COVID-19 death rate is a little higher than a bad flu, my opinion is that younger and healthier people need a more rigorous risk/benefit analysis before taking the mRNA vaccines.

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  20. Saint Augustine Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert:

    Now what happens when the vaccinated person gets some sort of an immune system trigger, say a bout of hypoglycemia, or placement of breast implants, or exposure to another novel virus, or something, and the body reactivates its immune response to the novel spike protein? Are we going to see people develop autoimmunity and diseases like systemic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and hypersensitivity pneumonitis due to these new cell wall proteins?

    Would that be possible if the CDC description is correct? It’s teaching the immune system to react to the spikes. I don’t understand how that would lead to side effects other than maybe a response to a virus with similar spikes.

    This type of gene therapy using mRNA is new and has never been given to a large population

    There may be no adverse side effects but only time will tell

    A very solid concern, far as I can tell.  I expect to take the Pfizer myself when the stars align, but I’m happy classifying that as still a partially experimental thing.

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  21. JosePluma Thatcher
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    I agree that six-year-olds don’t need the vaccine.  They are in more danger during the drive to the doctor’s office than they are from the Wuhan Virus. And most children don’t get symptoms. We test everyone who is being admitted or has symptoms.  About 90% of the positive patients I’ve personally tested have been asymptomatic. 

    I’m personally not afraid of either the virus or the vaccine. I got the first shot four days after it was approved. 

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  22. Doctor Robert Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):


    Doctor Robert
    : First, covid is a seasonal virus which, having found its place in the population, can be expected to remain only at low levels now that herd immunity is near. Vaccination is not needed.

    How is this any different than the annual Influenza that we vaccinate for?

    Doctor Robert: Second, 6 year olds neither suffer from nor carry the virus.

    So the children I see in clinic, that test positive for Covid and are symptomatic don’t have it?

    They don’t infect their parents and grandparents. Or their babysitters. Or classmates. Sure they don’t.

    Doctor Robert: This is scary stuff.

    Come on doctor. Thats ridiculous.

    Every vaccine ever created tricks the immune system into creating antibodies, B cell and T cell response to some protein unique to the pathogen. No different.

    I generalize, of course.  Those few children with covid have covid.

    My concern, Doc, is that the integration of the spike protein into human cell walls is a novel mechanism, one with no track record.  Will these spike proteins cause a late autoimmunity?  Will they interact with membrane receptors and mess up the effects of hormones?   We don’t know and we can’t know, there can be no 20 year data.  So great caution is advised.

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  23. Stina Member
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    A cynical person might think this is a money grab by Big Pharma. Dr. “death” Fauci tells me that getting a vaccination will change the need for masks and self-isolation.

    This isn’t cynical enough.

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  24. MarciN Member
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    I have been thinking about Dr. Robert’s concerns, and now I’m wondering if no one of child-bearing age or younger should be given this new drug. The wonder of a free market is that there is competition and consumers are informed and make intelligent choices.

    I’ve seen some instances in which the healthcare profession went too fast with new ideas. Ritalin was a good idea for a very select group of young patients, but it was way overprescribed and carelessly so–a friend of mine was a special needs director in one of the towns on the Cape, and she was very concerned that it was so hard to get a doctor to call the school back when they were concerned about some kids being overmedicated. Their eyes were glossy, and they were in some sort of mild daze. At that time, Ritalin was prescribed not based on need demonstrated by laboratory tests but on reports by teachers and parents of hyperactivity combined with a too-brief clinical assessment by a doctor or nurse practitioner. 

    Given the success of HCQ and the other new treatments, I think we can and should proceed more slowly with the vaccines to young people. 

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  25. Stina Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I have been thinking about Dr. Robert’s concerns, and now I’m wondering if no one of child-bearing age or younger should be given this new drug. The wonder of a free market is that there is competition and consumers are informed and make intelligent choices.

    I’ve seen some instances in which the healthcare profession went too fast with new ideas. Ritalin was a good idea for a very select group of young patients, but it was way overprescribed and carelessly so–a friend of mine was a special needs director in one of the towns on the Cape, and she was very concerned that it was so hard to get a doctor to call the school back when they were concerned about some kids being overmedicated. Their eyes were glossy, and they were in some sort of mild daze. At that time, Ritalin was prescribed not based on need demonstrated by laboratory tests but on reports by teachers and parents of hyperactivity combined with a too-brief clinical assessment by a doctor or nurse practitioner.

    Given the success of HCQ and the other new treatments, I think we can and should proceed more slowly with the vaccines to young people.

    I’m definitely hostile to giving vaccinations to my children specifically because we do not know long term consequences. My in laws are not likely to live 20 more years, but even so, they aren’t in the baby making business. The long term risks to them aren’t nearly as devastating as they could be to a 6 year old girl or boy who are only entering the prime of their life in 20 years.

    And arguments that this is just like any other vaccination are absurd. Creating an immune response to a weakened virus that protects you from a stronger infection is not the same as turning your own cells into a mimicry of a virus.

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  26. MarciN Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    And arguments that this is just like any other vaccination are absurd.

    I don’t think the arguments are absurd. They make a lot of sense. 

    I just think that sometimes we can’t anticipate everything with our current knowledge. 

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  27. MarciN Member
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    I also am concerned that we don’t yet have a perfect diagnostic test for the virus–the antigen and PCR and antibody tests have been known to be producing both false positives and false negatives, in the sense that they are not measuring exactly perfectly what we want to measure–for example, the PCR test produces positive tests results when only the DNA remains of the virus are present. That’s not a bad test–it is so acutely sensitive that it’s picking up signs that the virus was present and dispensed with by the immune system. But it is still not exactly what we’re looking for.

    And to my knowledge, we still have not established the level of antibodies a person needs to have to be sure of protection against the virus. We should be giving the vaccine only to people who absolutely need it at this point, and that need would be established with an effective antibody test, but we don’t have that yet.

    So if we can’t yet produce the exact test we need, how can we be sure of the absolute safety of the new vaccine that has been developed?

    I’m just saying that I’m excited about this kind of vaccine and its tremendous potential, but I’ll be a lot more confident in this genetic manipulation theory five years from now when we’ve had a broad-based longitudinal test, which this crop of newly vaccinated people are going to make up. :-)

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  28. Ray Kujawa Coolidge
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    I absolutely agree — do no vaccination of school age children. It can’t be approved because we haven’t been having trials on children. Any vaccination administered to school age children at this point in time would amount to a defacto uncontrolled trial and would be unethical. It’s not needed for children. Their immune systems are healthy, are still developing and the theory DR describes I have heard explained multiple times by a biologist (eg JC on a Bike on YouTube). We will achieve the necessary population immunity to kill the virus without vaccination of children, which includes the natural healthy immune response of children, so vaccination of everyone and of children is unnecessary and could do harm. A doctor’s oath is to do no harm.

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  29. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    We now live inside a cult, the cult of COVID, Dr Robert.

    It is propped up by the careful indoctrination by the Left wing, of which I was a participating member until Jan 2017.

    That Left wing carefully instructs the followers that voting ID protocols must be scrapped, as an insistence on them allows for one or two poor people who can’t afford an ID to lose the right to vote.

    The idea that “The many must give up their rights to protect the very few” was in full steam by April 2020. Those of us on open forums like FB, where both L wing and R wing people posted, were admonished that the idea of quarantining the vulnerable would be extremely mean to the vulnerable.

    So rather than that, Left wingers stated it  was an excellent idea to shutter small businesses, muzzle our faces, stay at home as much as possible and pray for the early release of a vaccine. I had continual PM’s from people telling me that unlike those of us driven by the unbridled selfishness of those not wanting to destroy the economy, they were totally fine with staying home another year or two if “this would save one life.”

    These people were almost always the young who still lived at home with parents, older people living in homes they owned with tax sheltered pensions, and those working from home still drawing a decent salary. Small business owners saw the light, as they were assuming the burdens of the policies.

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  30. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
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    Its already been determined in Canada, we are not vaccinating anyone under the age of 16.  As its unsafe.

    As much as I think our Public Health Organization have over reacted to this, I trust them when they say a vaccine is unsafe.

    What is the matter with these idiots in your country.  More concerned with a political agenda, than doing what is best for kids.

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