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  1. cdor Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    And Mittens Romney also cannot be trusted.

    The next few days are going to be interesting.

    He certainly can be trusted…trusted to do exactly what would be the most destructive thing he could do. He is a definite no vote against anything that would benefit our country, especially if that benefit would also endure to Trump’s accomplishments.

    inure.

    You’re welcome. :-)

    Thanks. I was close…sounds like…

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  2. Jim Kearney Member
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    EHerring (View Comment):

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    EHerring (View Comment):
    If Collins doesn’t vote yea, then the loss of her seat is a wash. This is her biggest test to see if she realizes the peril the country faces. In fact, it is a test for all the Senators up for re-election, including Graham.

    Senator Collins could conceivably vote nay on the first Trump nominee for RBG’s seat, and yea on his second if the first is denied Senate consent. The new Senate will not be seated until January, and polls consider a flip to Democrat control very possible regardless of who is President later that month.

    Collins properly considers each individual court nominee on his/her judicial merits, including respect for stare decisis on the privacy precedents. I hope she continues to do so, and am supporting her re-election bid.

    There won’t be a second pick if we lose Senate or White House.

    By a second pick I refer to the Ginsberg seat, not future appointments. Even if we lose the Senate on election day, we will have until December 31 to seat a replacement Justice for Ginsberg. I expect President Trump to be re-elected, but the Senate’s a toss-up because of Arizona, Maine, North Carolina and other states at risk.

    If President Trump nominates a Justice who repudiates what Kavanaugh said about respecting stare decisis privacy precedents, and has a background suggesting she might overturn Roe/Casey, then I’m certain she will be defeated in the Senate. Collins will lead the way, and possibly be re-elected because in Maine a woman’s right to choose is much more popular than President Trump.

    If, however, the President nominates a woman who can honestly state that she’ll respect the Ginsberg and Supreme Court legacies on women’s rights, she will likely get through and maybe even pick up Manchin and/or another Democrat. More significantly, if she is a strong advocate for the rule of law and in support of strong legal policing, she will receive wide popular support.

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

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    EHerring (View Comment):
    If Collins doesn’t vote yea, then the loss of her seat is a wash. This is her biggest test to see if she realizes the peril the country faces. In fact, it is a test for all the Senators up for re-election, including Graham.

    Senator Collins could conceivably vote nay on the first Trump nominee for RBG’s seat, and yea on his second if the first is denied Senate consent. The new Senate will not be seated until January, and polls consider a flip to Democrat control very possible regardless of who is President later that month.

    Collins properly considers each individual court nominee on his/her judicial merits, including respect for stare decisis on the privacy precedents. I hope she continues to do so, and am supporting her re-election bid.

    There won’t be a second pick if we lose Senate or White House.

    By a second pick I refer to the Ginsberg seat, not future appointments. Even if we lose the Senate on election day, we will have until December 31 to seat a replacement Justice for Ginsberg. I expect President Trump to be re-elected, but the Senate’s a toss-up because of Arizona, Maine, North Carolina and other states at risk.

    If President Trump nominates a Justice who repudiates what Kavanaugh said about respecting stare decisis privacy precedents, and has a background suggesting she might overturn Roe/Casey, then I’m certain she will be defeated in the Senate. Collins will lead the way, and possibly be re-elected because in Maine a woman’s right to choose is much more popular than President Trump.

    If, however, the President nominates a woman who can honestly state that she’ll respect the Ginsberg and Supreme Court legacies on women’s rights, she will likely get through and maybe even pick up Manchin and/or another Democrat. More significantly, if she is a strong advocate for the rule of law and in support of strong legal policing, she will receive wide popular support.

    I think the nominee should just lie. What re they going to do after, impeach and remove?

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    EHerring (View Comment):
    If Collins doesn’t vote yea, then the loss of her seat is a wash. This is her biggest test to see if she realizes the peril the country faces. In fact, it is a test for all the Senators up for re-election, including Graham.

    Senator Collins could conceivably vote nay on the first Trump nominee for RBG’s seat, and yea on his second if the first is denied Senate consent. The new Senate will not be seated until January, and polls consider a flip to Democrat control very possible regardless of who is President later that month.

    Collins properly considers each individual court nominee on his/her judicial merits, including respect for stare decisis on the privacy precedents. I hope she continues to do so, and am supporting her re-election bid.

    There won’t be a second pick if we lose Senate or White House.

    By a second pick I refer to the Ginsberg seat, not future appointments. Even if we lose the Senate on election day, we will have until December 31 to seat a replacement Justice for Ginsberg. I expect President Trump to be re-elected, but the Senate’s a toss-up because of Arizona, Maine, North Carolina and other states at risk.

    If President Trump nominates a Justice who repudiates what Kavanaugh said about respecting stare decisis privacy precedents, and has a background suggesting she might overturn Roe/Casey, then I’m certain she will be defeated in the Senate. Collins will lead the way, and possibly be re-elected because in Maine a woman’s right to choose is much more popular than President Trump.

    If, however, the President nominates a woman who can honestly state that she’ll respect the Ginsberg and Supreme Court legacies on women’s rights, she will likely get through and maybe even pick up Manchin and/or another Democrat. More significantly, if she is a strong advocate for the rule of law and in support of strong legal policing, she will receive wide popular support.

    I think the nominee should just lie. What re they going to do after, impeach and remove?

    Dems assume all Republican nominees are lying anyway.

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  5. philo Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    EHerring (View Comment):
    If Collins doesn’t vote yea, then the loss of her seat is a wash. This is her biggest test to see if she realizes the peril the country faces. In fact, it is a test for all the Senators up for re-election, including Graham.

    Senator Collins could conceivably vote nay on the first Trump nominee for RBG’s seat, and yea on his second if the first is denied Senate consent. The new Senate will not be seated until January, and polls consider a flip to Democrat control very possible regardless of who is President later that month.

    Collins properly considers each individual court nominee on his/her judicial merits, including respect for stare decisis on the privacy precedents. I hope she continues to do so, and am supporting her re-election bid.

    There won’t be a second pick if we lose Senate or White House.

    By a second pick I refer to the Ginsberg seat, not future appointments. Even if we lose the Senate on election day, we will have until December 31 to seat a replacement Justice for Ginsberg. I expect President Trump to be re-elected, but the Senate’s a toss-up because of Arizona, Maine, North Carolina and other states at risk.

    If President Trump nominates a Justice who repudiates what Kavanaugh said about respecting stare decisis privacy precedents, and has a background suggesting she might overturn Roe/Casey, then I’m certain she will be defeated in the Senate. Collins will lead the way, and possibly be re-elected because in Maine a woman’s right to choose is much more popular than President Trump.

    If, however, the President nominates a woman who can honestly state that she’ll respect the Ginsberg and Supreme Court legacies on women’s rights, she will likely get through and maybe even pick up Manchin and/or another Democrat. More significantly, if she is a strong advocate for the rule of law and in support of strong legal policing, she will receive wide popular support.

    I think the nominee should just lie. What re they going to do after, impeach and remove?

    Dems assume all Republican nominees are lying anyway.

    Projection.

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  6. Skyler Coolidge
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):
    If, however, the President nominates a woman who can honestly state that she’ll respect the Ginsberg and Supreme Court legacies on women’s rights, she will likely get through and maybe even pick up Manchin and/or another Democrat. More significantly, if she is a strong advocate for the rule of law and in support of strong legal policing, she will receive wide popular support.

    What?  Surrender again?  Nominate another Souter?  What on earth for?  That’s the craziest idea ever.

    Correcting the mistakes of Roe and Casey and so many other non-abortion cases, is not disrespecting a legacy.  

    (Who ever said they get to keep a legacy?  Where is that written?)

    It’s about defending the Constitution, individual rights, the rights of the unborn.  These are not little things that get to be a “legacy.”

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  7. cdor Member
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):

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    EHerring (View Comment):
    If Collins doesn’t vote yea, then the loss of her seat is a wash. This is her biggest test to see if she realizes the peril the country faces. In fact, it is a test for all the Senators up for re-election, including Graham.

    Senator Collins could conceivably vote nay on the first Trump nominee for RBG’s seat, and yea on his second if the first is denied Senate consent. The new Senate will not be seated until January, and polls consider a flip to Democrat control very possible regardless of who is President later that month.

    Collins properly considers each individual court nominee on his/her judicial merits, including respect for stare decisis on the privacy precedents. I hope she continues to do so, and am supporting her re-election bid.

    There won’t be a second pick if we lose Senate or White House.

    By a second pick I refer to the Ginsberg seat, not future appointments. Even if we lose the Senate on election day, we will have until December 31 to seat a replacement Justice for Ginsberg. I expect President Trump to be re-elected, but the Senate’s a toss-up because of Arizona, Maine, North Carolina and other states at risk.

    If President Trump nominates a Justice who repudiates what Kavanaugh said about respecting stare decisis privacy precedents, and has a background suggesting she might overturn Roe/Casey, then I’m certain she will be defeated in the Senate. Collins will lead the way, and possibly be re-elected because in Maine a woman’s right to choose is much more popular than President Trump.

    If, however, the President nominates a woman who can honestly state that she’ll respect the Ginsberg and Supreme Court legacies on women’s rights, she will likely get through and maybe even pick up Manchin and/or another Democrat. More significantly, if she is a strong advocate for the rule of law and in support of strong legal policing, she will receive wide popular support.

    In normal times moderation would be a virtue. Today, unfortunately, there are too many bad memories of Justices thought to have been originalists only to move left once on the court. One could reasonably say if the candidate starts out with one foot on the left they will undoubtedly end up jumping over with both feet after a short time on the Court. One could also say with some credibility, “Why bother with the hassle if we end up with a squish?’ BTW, do you @jimkearney believe that Ginsburg herself would uphold stare decisis if the Supremes had previously ruled for the right to life for the fetus? I think she would drop precedence like a hot potato if the shoe were on the other foot.

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  8. Jim Kearney Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Jim Kearney (View Comment):
    If, however, the President nominates a woman who can honestly state that she’ll respect the Ginsberg and Supreme Court legacies on women’s rights, she will likely get through and maybe even pick up Manchin and/or another Democrat. More significantly, if she is a strong advocate for the rule of law and in support of strong legal policing, she will receive wide popular support.

    What? Surrender again? Nominate another Souter? What on earth for? That’s the craziest idea ever.

    Correcting the mistakes of Roe and Casey and so many other non-abortion cases, is not disrespecting a legacy.

    (Who ever said they get to keep a legacy? Where is that written?)

    It’s about defending the Constitution, individual rights, the rights of the unborn. These are not little things that get to be a “legacy.”

    You misinterpret my suggestion. Souter? Yuk! He was with the Democrat appointed bloc on most everything. None of the nominees on Trump’s (Heritage/Federalist Society) list are anything like Souter. One can be ardently pro-Trump on fiscal issues, militantly pro-cop on crime, fiercely America First on trade and immigration, and still support the status quo (or maintain a judicious silence) on abortion rights.

    A majority of Supreme Court justices respect stare decisis on Roe/Casey and the privacy precedents which underlie it (Griswold on the birth control, most notably.) Read the full transcript of Senator Collins’ interchange with Kavanaugh, and her speech on why she voted for him.

    Women’s rights are Justice Ginsberg’s legacy. They made films about her, she’s a sympathetic figure, and a frontal assault on her legacy isn’t smart politically. Ginsberg reaffirmed the abortion rights precedents, voted for lesbian marital rights, and built on the important cultural gains women made in the workplace over her tenure. Young voters embrace these rights enthusiastically. More conservative Trump supporters than you might think also support these freedoms:  61% of all U.S. adults support abortion rights.

    The Supreme Court is about so much more than abortion, particularly right now, The very rule of law itself in our country is under assault. This nominee should be clear about maintaining the continuity of our laws as they stand.

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  9. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    If the 4 senators alluded to above abstain that cuts the count down to 49 vs 47. All it would take is 3 more squishy Republican senators to halt the process. But given the timeframe, a vote isn’t likely to happen before Election Day…which is the problematic part, because if the Dems (or even the Republicans) contest the election – the Dems claiming voter suppression of (fraudulent) ballots; the Republicans claiming massive election theft because of fraudulent ballots – then a case would likely go to the remaining 8 Supreme Court justices and they could deadlock.

    I’m not sure what all the talk about election day is about.  When do senators take their seats?  That’s the real deadline if the R’s lose the senate.

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  10. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):

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    Have you read my latest book? In Defense of Justice Yoo…

    Can you imagine a Supreme Court justice Yoo? He would be arguing that water boarding isn’t cruel and unusual punishment and that it should be used to investigate loosies.

    Better than Epstein arguing that Roman riparian law governs.

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  11. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

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    If the 4 senators alluded to above abstain that cuts the count down to 49 vs 47. All it would take is 3 more squishy Republican senators to halt the process. But given the timeframe, a vote isn’t likely to happen before Election Day…which is the problematic part, because if the Dems (or even the Republicans) contest the election – the Dems claiming voter suppression of (fraudulent) ballots; the Republicans claiming massive election theft because of fraudulent ballots – then a case would likely go to the remaining 8 Supreme Court justices and they could deadlock.

    I’m not sure what all the talk about election day is about. When do senators take their seats? That’s the real deadline if the R’s lose the senate.

    It depends on how long the Election could be in dispute. It might be in dispute all the way up to Inauguration Day and that might also mean certain Senate races would be in dispute. Sen. Cruz says that the votes are currently there to push through the President’s nominee. If he’s correct, then Mitch should get to the vote as soon as possible. Only 1 or 2 days of hearings would be advisable. Then have the full Senate vote the next day.

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  12. Miffed White Male Member
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    cdor (View Comment):
    In normal times moderation would be a virtue. Today, unfortunately, there are too many bad memories of Justices thought to have been originalists only to move left once on the court. One could reasonably say if the candidate starts out with one foot on the left they will undoubtedly end up jumping over with both feet after a short time on the Court. One could also say with some credibility, “Why bother with the hassle if we end up with a squish?’

    Robert Conquests second law of politics applies to Supreme Court justices as well as to organizations: 

    “Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing”.

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  13. Skyler Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Better than Epstein arguing that Roman riparian law governs.

    I wonder where he said that.  I don’t know the context, but surely he said Roman law is persuasive, not controlling.

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  14. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Better than Epstein arguing that Roman riparian law governs.

    I wonder where he said that. I don’t know the context, but surely he said Roman law is persuasive, not controlling.

    A little hyperbole on my part.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Better than Epstein arguing that Roman riparian law governs.

    I wonder where he said that. I don’t know the context, but surely he said Roman law is persuasive, not controlling.

    What difference does it make, when judges decide to follow ancient or foreign law – or both – rather than our own?

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  16. EHerring Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):
    In normal times moderation would be a virtue. Today, unfortunately, there are too many bad memories of Justices thought to have been originalists only to move left once on the court. One could reasonably say if the candidate starts out with one foot on the left they will undoubtedly end up jumping over with both feet after a short time on the Court. One could also say with some credibility, “Why bother with the hassle if we end up with a squish?’

    Robert Conquests second law of politics applies to Supreme Court justices as well as to organizations:

    “Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing”.

    So true. I met him on a National Review Cruise…he was quite smart and very nice. 

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  17. Sisyphus Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    If the 4 senators alluded to above abstain that cuts the count down to 49 vs 47. All it would take is 3 more squishy Republican senators to halt the process. But given the timeframe, a vote isn’t likely to happen before Election Day…which is the problematic part, because if the Dems (or even the Republicans) contest the election – the Dems claiming voter suppression of (fraudulent) ballots; the Republicans claiming massive election theft because of fraudulent ballots – then a case would likely go to the remaining 8 Supreme Court justices and they could deadlock.

    I’m not sure what all the talk about election day is about. When do senators take their seats? That’s the real deadline if the R’s lose the senate.

    After New Year’s Day.

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  18. EHerring Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    If the 4 senators alluded to above abstain that cuts the count down to 49 vs 47. All it would take is 3 more squishy Republican senators to halt the process. But given the timeframe, a vote isn’t likely to happen before Election Day…which is the problematic part, because if the Dems (or even the Republicans) contest the election – the Dems claiming voter suppression of (fraudulent) ballots; the Republicans claiming massive election theft because of fraudulent ballots – then a case would likely go to the remaining 8 Supreme Court justices and they could deadlock.

    I’m not sure what all the talk about election day is about. When do senators take their seats? That’s the real deadline if the R’s lose the senate.

    After New Year’s Day.

    Since the Democrats will be in high dudgeon over any Trump pick, the timing of the confirmation is just a red herring, a delaying tactic to prevent a confirmation. If they are going to try to delay to prevent a pick, then we should try to expedite to confirm a pick. 

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