Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Both Parties Are Laying Groundwork to Dispute the Election

 

The Democrats have sown discord and it threatens the Republic. They have not had a graceful concession since Carter lost. Think about that, for the last 40 years, when a Republican has won, the Democrats have refused a graceful concession. Indeed, they have used legal means to attack the win in 2000 and 2016. Kerry took until the next day to concede to Bush the second time.

Now, the Democrats are openly war gaming ways to avoid the loss, including demanding political concession on amending the Constitution to let Trump win. Their previous candidate for president is openly telling Biden not to concede under any circumstances.

And, there is an open plan, to say “Hey if Trump wins by a landslide on election night, don’t stop fighting, let the mail-in ballots come in, and then Biden will win.” They are telling us how they plan to steal the election. They are sowing the ground to dispute the election.

Now, Trump is having to respond. The Republicans are forced to point out what the Democrats are doing, and be ready to dispute what the Democrats are doing.

This is the fault of the Democrats. This is their doing. For the history of their party, they have always been the sore losers. They have always been the party of prosecution of their enemies. They are the party of succession. They are the party of the Trail of Tears, they are the party of Jim Crow, they are the party of the KKK. They are the party of riots, bloodshed, and refusal to lose at the ballot box. And now they threaten the Republic more than ever, except for when the walked so that they could keep other human beings in bondage.

Good job, Democrats.

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  1. JoelB Member

    That there has been a political party since the beginning of the republic (if not before) that has resisted the American ideal is becoming a thing of wonder to me. The Democrat line is unbroken as opposed to the assortment of Federalists, Whigs, and more recently Republicans that have comprised their opposition. It seems to me that there is a lesson here regarding the nature of man and perhaps God, if you will. The authoritarian is always organizing, always manipulating, and always consolidating power. The freedom lovers come together, when they must, in more of an ad-hoc manner. This is not to say that Republicans or their predecessors were pure and without greed or personal ambition.

    These are the ramblings of my mind over the past few days and I acknowledge that there are some things that I may have failed to take into account, but this post has stirred these thoughts in a remarkable way. Thank you, Bryan.

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    • September 13, 2020, at 10:46 AM PDT
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  2. Hang On Member
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    It’s secession, not succession.

     

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    • September 13, 2020, at 11:05 AM PDT
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  3. PHCheese Member

    Every communist and socialist country that has existed has had phony elections. It’s been the Democrats holy grail to end real elections in this country for years. They would like to say they got 97% of the votes like what used to happened in the old USSR.

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    • September 13, 2020, at 11:49 AM PDT
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  4. Stad Thatcher

    Sadly, I believe the post-election litigation is going to make 2000 look like disputing a parking ticket . . .

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    • September 13, 2020, at 1:21 PM PDT
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  5. Barfly Member

    [I copied this remark from https://ricochet.com/800264/one-mans-silence/comment-page-3/#comments. But it’s more pertinent here.]

    We know the impulse driving the various FBI/CIA/DoJ/5I operations against DJT and later PDT was political surveillance and possibly espionage, but the most worrisome part to me is that Crossfire Hurricane took its sharp left turn immediately after Mike Rogers curtailed access to the NSA database. I don’t think anybody can escape the conclusion, anymore, that the deep state under Obama (and maybe to a lesser extent under GWB in his second term as well) regularly used prohibited means to spy, that’s spy, I mean SPY on their political enemies.

    One would have to harbor a desire to be fooled to think DJT was their only target. Who else in positions of power have they been spying on? Who’s actions and seeming betrayals mystify even careful observers? 

    Now consider what branch of government will decide legal challenges during the coming election fight.

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    • September 13, 2020, at 2:05 PM PDT
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  6. Stina Member

    Barfly (View Comment):
    One would have to harbor a desire to be fooled to think DJT was their only target. Who else in positions of power have they been spying on? Who’s actions and seeming betrayals mystify even careful observers? 

    Roberts.

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    • September 13, 2020, at 2:29 PM PDT
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  7. Kevin Schulte Member

    Stina (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):
    One would have to harbor a desire to be fooled to think DJT was their only target. Who else in positions of power have they been spying on? Who’s actions and seeming betrayals mystify even careful observers?

    Roberts.

    Perhaps, I think Roberts is just what Bush intended. 

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    • September 13, 2020, at 2:37 PM PDT
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  8. Barfly Member

    Stina (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):
    One would have to harbor a desire to be fooled to think DJT was their only target. Who else in positions of power have they been spying on? Who’s actions and seeming betrayals mystify even careful observers?

    Roberts.

    That’s the one I can never explain. But there are plenty in Congress who’d be susceptible, and the SSCI did play a part in Spygate. (Just to name one thing.)

    This all sounds very conspiratorial, but it’s manifest that some people in the top levels of some executive agencies did in fact spy and perform political espionage. Of course they’d use secrets to get their way. And we know they had access to and misused our security agencies’ databases.

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    • September 13, 2020, at 2:42 PM PDT
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  9. Skyler Coolidge

    Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry all conceded properly. Why do you say they didn’t?

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    • September 13, 2020, at 8:36 PM PDT
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  10. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    It is best that you don’t get worked up over it. Trump is most likely not going to be re-elected. Just accept it and move on like good little conservatives always do.

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    • September 13, 2020, at 9:58 PM PDT
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  11. Flicker Coolidge

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    It is best that you don’t get worked up over it. Trump is most likely not going to be re-elected. Just accept it and move on like good little conservatives always do.

    Admit it. You’re a secret conservative, aren’t you? Oh, yes.

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    • September 13, 2020, at 10:21 PM PDT
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  12. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry all conceded properly. Why do you say they didn’t?

    In those cases there was not a transition. However, Kerry did not. He hung on till the next day, flirting with a redux of 2000.

    Mondale really had no choice. He lost huuuuge, and it was obvious too for Dukakis. I’ll give you they stepped aside. But not on Kerry. He had clearly lost but took till the next day.

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  13. Miffed White Male Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry all conceded properly. Why do you say they didn’t?

    You’re correct about Mondale and Dukakis.

    There are still a lot of Dems who believe Bush stole Ohio in 2004.

     

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    • September 14, 2020, at 5:11 AM PDT
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  14. Stina Member

    I just wanted to say, Bryan – well done at imitating the Reason “non-partisan” headline clickbait!

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    • September 14, 2020, at 5:55 AM PDT
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  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Stina (View Comment):

    I just wanted to say, Bryan – well done at imitating the Reason “non-partisan” headline clickbait!

    Why thank you. 

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    • September 14, 2020, at 6:00 AM PDT
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  16. Old Bathos Moderator

    The GOP had better lawyers in FL when Gore sought to shake loose some more chads than they did when the crooks supporting landslide Al Franken managed to pull 1,500 votes out of a hat in Minneapolis-St Paul or when the Washington gubernatorial race in 2000 was won by a couple of missing boxes discovered late in King County. You have to have people fighting every inch with motions already drafted and enough soldiers on the ground.

    The reason that Soros-funded groups fight so hard to prevent any clarity in voter registration rules is not just to allow cheating but to make space for fluid outcomes when needed. If a district turns in more ballots than registered voters, it is too blatant, especially when you need to find a few more in a recount. Hillary did not get her recount in Michigan but would have lost ground anyway because a bunch of Detroit precincts would have been excluded for having over 100% turnout, the same civic-mindedness one often finds in Philadelphia and New Orleans. Clean voters rolls and ID requirements tend to eliminate that kind of room for maneuver.

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    • September 14, 2020, at 9:29 AM PDT
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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The GOP had better lawyers in FL when Gore sought to shake loose some more chads than they did when the crooks supporting landslide Al Franken managed to pull 1,500 votes out of a hat in Minneapolis-St Paul or when the Washington gubernatorial race in 2000 was won by a couple of missing boxes discovered late in King County. You have to have people fighting every inch with motions already drafted and enough soldiers on the ground.

    The reason that Soros-funded groups fight so hard to prevent any clarity in voter registration rules is not just to allow cheating but to make space for fluid outcomes when needed. If a district turns in more ballots than registered voters, it is too blatant, especially when you need to find a few more in a recount. Hillary did not get her recount in Michigan but would have lost ground anyway because a bunch of Detroit precincts would have been excluded for having over 100% turnout, the same civic-mindedness one often finds in Philadelphia and New Orleans. Clean voters rolls and ID requirements tend to eliminate that kind of room for maneuver.

    Yes they do. 

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    • September 14, 2020, at 10:49 AM PDT
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  18. Kozak Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The GOP had better lawyers in FL when Gore sought to shake loose some more chads than they did when the crooks supporting landslide Al Franken managed to pull 1,500 votes out of a hat in Minneapolis-St Paul or when the Washington gubernatorial race in 2000 was won by a couple of missing boxes discovered late in King County. You have to have people fighting every inch with motions already drafted and enough soldiers on the ground.

    The reason that Soros-funded groups fight so hard to prevent any clarity in voter registration rules is not just to allow cheating but to make space for fluid outcomes when needed. If a district turns in more ballots than registered voters, it is too blatant, especially when you need to find a few more in a recount. Hillary did not get her recount in Michigan but would have lost ground anyway because a bunch of Detroit precincts would have been excluded for having over 100% turnout, the same civic-mindedness one often finds in Philadelphia and New Orleans. Clean voters rolls and ID requirements tend to eliminate that kind of room for maneuver.

    Yes they do.

    The only way we avoid a nightmare is if Trump wins essentially a landslide and there is no room for the Democrats to try and steal this on the margins. 

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    • September 15, 2020, at 4:36 AM PDT
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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The GOP had better lawyers in FL when Gore sought to shake loose some more chads than they did when the crooks supporting landslide Al Franken managed to pull 1,500 votes out of a hat in Minneapolis-St Paul or when the Washington gubernatorial race in 2000 was won by a couple of missing boxes discovered late in King County. You have to have people fighting every inch with motions already drafted and enough soldiers on the ground.

    The reason that Soros-funded groups fight so hard to prevent any clarity in voter registration rules is not just to allow cheating but to make space for fluid outcomes when needed. If a district turns in more ballots than registered voters, it is too blatant, especially when you need to find a few more in a recount. Hillary did not get her recount in Michigan but would have lost ground anyway because a bunch of Detroit precincts would have been excluded for having over 100% turnout, the same civic-mindedness one often finds in Philadelphia and New Orleans. Clean voters rolls and ID requirements tend to eliminate that kind of room for maneuver.

    Yes they do.

    The only way we avoid a nightmare is if Trump wins essentially a landslide and there is no room for the Democrats to try and steal this on the margins.

     

    Since he is behind now that seems unlikely

     

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  20. Stina Member

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The GOP had better lawyers in FL when Gore sought to shake loose some more chads than they did when the crooks supporting landslide Al Franken managed to pull 1,500 votes out of a hat in Minneapolis-St Paul or when the Washington gubernatorial race in 2000 was won by a couple of missing boxes discovered late in King County. You have to have people fighting every inch with motions already drafted and enough soldiers on the ground.

    The reason that Soros-funded groups fight so hard to prevent any clarity in voter registration rules is not just to allow cheating but to make space for fluid outcomes when needed. If a district turns in more ballots than registered voters, it is too blatant, especially when you need to find a few more in a recount. Hillary did not get her recount in Michigan but would have lost ground anyway because a bunch of Detroit precincts would have been excluded for having over 100% turnout, the same civic-mindedness one often finds in Philadelphia and New Orleans. Clean voters rolls and ID requirements tend to eliminate that kind of room for maneuver.

    Yes they do.

    The only way we avoid a nightmare is if Trump wins essentially a landslide and there is no room for the Democrats to try and steal this on the margins.

     

    Since he is behind now that seems unlikely

     

    First, polls have a left-leaning bias. I don’t know why that is. But voting results always gain a couple points for the right and lose a couple points for the left, so that’s a pretty solid historical bias.

    Second, I don’t think polls are as informative as they claim to be. And given the trustworthiness of media and their dedication to narrative building, I’m not going to dictate my hope in whatever future we have based on a poll that may be used for narrative building this far out and only starts getting close to accurate when they are about to be tested with real results.

    Third, if polling is simply an arm of media narrative building, there is potential for a corrupted media that isn’t in the business of reporting news but of being a propaganda arm for a political party to use polling as a soft coup tactic – soften the public to accept a false election because the polling said that’s how the election would turn out.

    These are just reasons why pinning your hope on polls is a recipe for despair. Sure, be informed by them. But don’t put full trust in their accuracy. Do not put your trust in men.

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    • September 15, 2020, at 6:03 AM PDT
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  21. Skyler Coolidge

    Stina (View Comment):
    These are just reasons why pinning your hope on polls is a recipe for despair. Sure, be informed by them. But don’t put full trust in their accuracy. Do not put your trust in men.

    Actually, you should put your trust in men rather than polls. Men will act and vote despite what polls predict.

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    • September 15, 2020, at 7:06 AM PDT
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  22. Stina Member

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):
    These are just reasons why pinning your hope on polls is a recipe for despair. Sure, be informed by them. But don’t put full trust in their accuracy. Do not put your trust in [these] men.

    Actually, you should put your trust in men rather than polls. Men will act and vote despite what polls predict.

    Better?

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  23. Old Bathos Moderator

    Trump needs to win by more than the “margin of fraud” which looks to be pretty large this year.

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  24. Weeping Member

    Stina (View Comment):

    Kozak: The only way we avoid a nightmare is if Trump wins essentially a landslide and there is no room for the Democrats to try and steal this on the margins.

     

    Bryan G. Stephens: Since he is behind now that seems unlikely

     

    First, polls have a left-leaning bias. I don’t know why that is. But voting results always gain a couple points for the right and lose a couple points for the left, so that’s a pretty solid historical bias.

    Second, I don’t think polls are as informative as they claim to be. And given the trustworthiness of media and their dedication to narrative building, I’m not going to dictate my hope in whatever future we have based on a poll that may be used for narrative building this far out and only starts getting close to accurate when they are about to be tested with real results.

    Third, if polling is simply an arm of media narrative building, there is potential for a corrupted media that isn’t in the business of reporting news but of being a propaganda arm for a political party to use polling as a soft coup tactic – soften the public to accept a false election because the polling said that’s how the election would turn out.

    These are just reasons why pinning your hope on polls is a recipe for despair. Sure, be informed by them. But don’t put full trust in their accuracy. Do not put your trust in men.

    Over on RedState, I found these articles about polls to be interesting. I have no idea how seriously to take them, but they’re interesting to read:

    Your Definitive Guide to Understanding Polling (and Why Most Polls Are Garbage)

    CBS/YouGov Poll Analysis: Is There a Ten Point Lead for Biden?

     

     

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  25. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… Coolidge

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Since he is behind now that seems unlikely

    I don’t believe he really is behind now. But I think the media has been telling us that he is behind. Way, way behind, so that when he wins it’ll look like he stole it. (With help from the Russians.)

     

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  26. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… Coolidge

    Stina (View Comment):
    Third, if polling is simply an arm of media narrative building, there is potential for a corrupted media that isn’t in the business of reporting news but of being a propaganda arm for a political party to use polling as a soft coup tactic – soften the public to accept a false election because the polling said that’s how the election would turn out.

    Or, “what Stina said.”

    Yep. It’s all propaganda in support of the Democratic Coup.

    I really hate the Democrats, by the way. Though I hate fake Republicans even more, because at least Democrats are honest about their evil.

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Stina (View Comment):
    These are just reasons why pinning your hope on polls is a recipe for despair. Sure, be informed by them. But don’t put full trust in their accuracy. Do not put your trust in men.

    I just don’t think there is a unseen landslide sitting out there. The polls might be off, but not that off. 

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  28. Miffed White Male Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Since he is behind now that seems unlikely

    I don’t believe he really is behind now. But I think the media has been telling us that he is behind. Way, way behind, so that when he wins it’ll look like he stole it. (With help from the Russians.)

    He’s behind. Badly.

    It’s not impossible he’ll get re-elected, but it’s not the way to bet.

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… Coolidge

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    He’s behind. Badly.

    According to which polls?

    I mean, I may be entering Pauline Kael territory here, but the enthusiasm behind Trump’s reelection seems off the charts. I’ve never seen anything like it in my 55 years on this planet. Not even in 2016. So I find it hard to believe that Joe Biden stands a chance, because Trump rallies are huge, and Biden can’t fill a room with more than six reporters. Trump gets dozens of record-setting boat parades,

    . . . and Biden gets . . . a line of golf carts.

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  30. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    We will see. Love to be wrong

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