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The evidence we ignored:

  1. The first major outbreak in the US was a nursing home in Kirkland, WA: 40 to 50 percent of all COVID deaths have been nursing home residents
  2. Diamond Princess Cruise crew and passengers had a 20% infection rate or 80% were not susceptible: Latest research has shown that about 80% of the population has ‘natural’ immunity or defenses

We had the data — our brilliant governors chose to ignore it instead fixating on media response and egregiously incorrect projections and grossly flawed models and assumptions.

Most self-proclaimed experts are wrong because they emphasize theory over empiricism.

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  1. MarciN Member

    MISTER BITCOIN: Diamond Princess Cruise crew and passengers had 20% infection rate or 80% were not susceptible –> Latest research has shown that about 80% of the population has ‘natural’ immunity or defenses

    Yup. :-)

    But, in all fairness, science and medicine have long-standing sound research protocols.

    It’s been a difficult disease to diagnose and treat, especially because the World Health Organization got its original information from the Chinese Wuhan experience, which was made worse by the CCP’s reaction to it. That created some false signals for the rest of the world. That said, Lombardy, Italy, saw a similar arc, but that was probably because the WHO was controlling the information those doctors had access to at that time.

    The good news is that we should come out of this with a much better understanding of viral pneumonia in general, which bodes well for people in the future. :-) We’ve learned a lot about how to treat it. My uncle died of pneumonia thirty years ago, and as I look back, the VA doctors had put him on a ventilator, which we know now makes it worse.

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  2. MISTER BITCOIN Member
    MISTER BITCOIN

    MarciN (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: Diamond Princess Cruise crew and passengers had 20% infection rate or 80% were not susceptible –> Latest research has shown that about 80% of the population has ‘natural’ immunity or defenses

    Yup. :-)

    But, in all fairness, science and medicine have research protocols that interfere with practicing medicine based solely on the doctors’ gut instincts or observations.

    It’s been a difficult disease to diagnose and treat, especially because the World Health Organization got its original information from the Chinese Wuhan experience, which was made worse by the CCP’s reaction to it. That created some false signals for the rest of the world. That said, Lombardy, Italy, saw a similar arc, but that was probably because the WHO was controlling the information those doctors had access to at that time.

    The good news is that we should come out of this with a much better understanding of viral pneumonia in general, which bodes well for people in the future. :-) We’ve learned a lot about how to treat it. My uncle died of pneumonia thirty years ago, and as I look back, the VA doctors had put him on a ventilator, which we know now makes it worse.

    The ‘mistakes’ were understandable in March and April. But by May we had enough data to scrap those models. Instead our technocrats kept recycling those models.

     

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    • July 8, 2020, at 1:24 PM PDT
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  3. MISTER BITCOIN Member
    MISTER BITCOIN

    MarciN (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: Diamond Princess Cruise crew and passengers had 20% infection rate or 80% were not susceptible –> Latest research has shown that about 80% of the population has ‘natural’ immunity or defenses

    Yup. :-)

    But, in all fairness, science and medicine have research protocols that interfere with practicing medicine based solely on the doctors’ gut instincts or observations.

    It’s been a difficult disease to diagnose and treat, especially because the World Health Organization got its original information from the Chinese Wuhan experience, which was made worse by the CCP’s reaction to it. That created some false signals for the rest of the world. That said, Lombardy, Italy, saw a similar arc, but that was probably because the WHO was controlling the information those doctors had access to at that time.

    The good news is that we should come out of this with a much better understanding of viral pneumonia in general, which bodes well for people in the future. :-) We’ve learned a lot about how to treat it. My uncle died of pneumonia thirty years ago, and as I look back, the VA doctors had put him on a ventilator, which we know now makes it worse.

    Protocols are written by bureaucrats?

     

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    • July 8, 2020, at 1:25 PM PDT
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  4. cdor Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: Diamond Princess Cruise crew and passengers had 20% infection rate or 80% were not susceptible –> Latest research has shown that about 80% of the population has ‘natural’ immunity or defenses

    Yup. :-)

    But, in all fairness, science and medicine have research protocols that interfere with practicing medicine based solely on the doctors’ gut instincts or observations.

    It’s been a difficult disease to diagnose and treat, especially because the World Health Organization got its original information from the Chinese Wuhan experience, which was made worse by the CCP’s reaction to it. That created some false signals for the rest of the world. That said, Lombardy, Italy, saw a similar arc, but that was probably because the WHO was controlling the information those doctors had access to at that time.

    The good news is that we should come out of this with a much better understanding of viral pneumonia in general, which bodes well for people in the future. :-) We’ve learned a lot about how to treat it. My uncle died of pneumonia thirty years ago, and as I look back, the VA doctors had put him on a ventilator, which we know now makes it worse.

    It took 30 years for doctors to figure that out? And now we expect a vaccine in 12 months? You won’t find me at the front of the line waiting to take that vaccine.

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    • July 8, 2020, at 1:48 PM PDT
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  5. MISTER BITCOIN Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: Diamond Princess Cruise crew and passengers had 20% infection rate or 80% were not susceptible –> Latest research has shown that about 80% of the population has ‘natural’ immunity or defenses

    Yup. :-)

    But, in all fairness, science and medicine have research protocols that interfere with practicing medicine based solely on the doctors’ gut instincts or observations.

    It’s been a difficult disease to diagnose and treat, especially because the World Health Organization got its original information from the Chinese Wuhan experience, which was made worse by the CCP’s reaction to it. That created some false signals for the rest of the world. That said, Lombardy, Italy, saw a similar arc, but that was probably because the WHO was controlling the information those doctors had access to at that time.

    The good news is that we should come out of this with a much better understanding of viral pneumonia in general, which bodes well for people in the future. :-) We’ve learned a lot about how to treat it. My uncle died of pneumonia thirty years ago, and as I look back, the VA doctors had put him on a ventilator, which we know now makes it worse.

    It took 30 years for doctors to figure that out? And now we expect a vaccine in 12 months? You won’t find me at the front of the line waiting to take that vaccine.

    we don’t need a vaccine because we are close to herd immunity. The virus is dying out and becoming less virulent.

     

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    • July 8, 2020, at 2:20 PM PDT
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  6. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    in 2005, hydroxychoriquine was proven effective against SARS-Cov-1. We also learned a long time ago that people respond to incentives, so maybe paying a bonus for hospitals to put people on ventilators and declare someone a Covid patient was a bad idea.

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    • July 8, 2020, at 3:23 PM PDT
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  7. MISTER BITCOIN Member
    MISTER BITCOIN

    cdor (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN: Diamond Princess Cruise crew and passengers had 20% infection rate or 80% were not susceptible –> Latest research has shown that about 80% of the population has ‘natural’ immunity or defenses

    Yup. :-)

    But, in all fairness, science and medicine have research protocols that interfere with practicing medicine based solely on the doctors’ gut instincts or observations.

    It’s been a difficult disease to diagnose and treat, especially because the World Health Organization got its original information from the Chinese Wuhan experience, which was made worse by the CCP’s reaction to it. That created some false signals for the rest of the world. That said, Lombardy, Italy, saw a similar arc, but that was probably because the WHO was controlling the information those doctors had access to at that time.

    The good news is that we should come out of this with a much better understanding of viral pneumonia in general, which bodes well for people in the future. :-) We’ve learned a lot about how to treat it. My uncle died of pneumonia thirty years ago, and as I look back, the VA doctors had put him on a ventilator, which we know now makes it worse.

    It took 30 years for doctors to figure that out? And now we expect a vaccine in 12 months? You won’t find me at the front of the line waiting to take that vaccine.

    remember the vaccine fiasco in 1975 or 76 (Gerald Ford)

     

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    • July 8, 2020, at 3:38 PM PDT
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  8. Stad Thatcher

    MISTER BITCOIN: Most self-proclaimed experts are wrong because they emphasize theory over empiricism.

    Amen. Liberals love their theories. They ignore facts that disprove them, or they say everything “proves” their theories such as man-made climate change.

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    • July 9, 2020, at 5:48 AM PDT
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