Contributor Post Created with Sketch. 2020: The Year the “You Don’t Need a Gun” Narrative Died

 

Here’s what progressives don’t seem to understand: If you defund the police, you’re going to encourage an exponential growth in gun sales. If you allow roving gangs of young people to destroy private property without police intervention, you’re going to encourage the creation of vigilantes and militias. If you think you’ll ever have a prayer at gun control again, look no further than this video to explain why you don’t have a prayer:

 

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  1. Boss Mongo Member

    Pink polo shirt w/ scary black rifle. I like it. Panache.

    He might want to work on his muzzle awareness. Could’ve just been camera angle, but I’m pretty sure he flagged his wife at least twice.

    • #1
    • June 29, 2020, at 6:34 AM PDT
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  2. Jon1979 Lincoln

    It’s not a big secret that the Chicago Democratic machine and the various local street gangs have developed a symbiotic relationship where the gangs are allowed to operate in exchange for helping out certain pols come election time (which in itself is an updated version of Windy City pols and the mob back in the 1920s and 30s). If you’re allied with the gangs and they’ll help provide you with a certain amount of ‘muscle’, defunding the police isn’t seen as a major problem, since you see what’s going to replace the police as the biggest show of force as already being on your side.

    So for big city Democrats, it can be a feature, not a bug, if their cities take on the Chicago model, and you can also see the Chicago model evolving from the gangs working more behind the scenes to their efforts to intimidate the public being more overt, because the police funding has been cut drastically, and something’s going to fill that power vacuum.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 6:41 AM PDT
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  3. Stad Thatcher

    This should also be the year “You don’t need a thirty-round magazine” dies too.

    • #3
    • June 29, 2020, at 7:05 AM PDT
    • 13 likes
  4. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    What I find striking is that the article linked above describes how the home was vacant from 1935-1945. It was never broken into, damaged or looted. How the country has changed! The height of the depression and people left it alone. I say bravo to the owners (both attorneys) for exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. However, I hope they supplement with private security because when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

    I would wager that a good portion of the marauding mob were consuming Busch products of one brand or another.

    A bit of what they were protecting:

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    • June 29, 2020, at 7:31 AM PDT
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  5. colleenb Member
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    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Pink polo shirt w/ scary black rifle. I like it. Panache.

    He might want to work on his muzzle awareness. Could’ve just been camera angle, but I’m pretty sure he flagged his wife at least twice.

    And she was pointing her little gun when, my understanding, is never point the gun at something you’re not going to shoot. 

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    • June 29, 2020, at 7:40 AM PDT
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  6. colleenb Member
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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    What I find striking is that the article linked above describes how the home was vacant from 1935-1945. It was never broken into, damaged or looted. How the country has changed! The height of the depression and people left it alone. I say bravo to the owners (both attorneys) for exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. However, I hope they supplement with private security because when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

    I would wager that a good portion of the marauding mob were consuming Busch products of one brand or another.

    A bit of what they were protecting:

    I was going to say that looked like a substantial house. 

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    • June 29, 2020, at 7:43 AM PDT
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  7. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Bethany Mandel: Here’s what progressives don’t seem to understand: If you defund the police, you’re going to encourage an exponential growth in gun sales.

    I’m not convinced that there’s significant overlap between the Antifa/BLM crowd and the Gun Control crowd on the progressive Venn diagram, on average, generally-speaking, when all other variables remain equal. They seem like two very different groups.

    • #7
    • June 29, 2020, at 7:44 AM PDT
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  8. David Foster Member
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    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):
    I’m not convinced that there’s significant overlap between the Antifa/BLM crowd and the Gun Control crowd on the progressive Venn diagram, on average, generally-speaking, when all other variables remain equal. They seem like two very different groups.

    They are largely different crowds if you mean that actual Antifa/BLM participants in mob violence…but among those people who are making excuses for and even encouraging the violence, there is considerable overlap.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 7:48 AM PDT
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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    colleenb (View Comment):

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Pink polo shirt w/ scary black rifle. I like it. Panache.

    He might want to work on his muzzle awareness. Could’ve just been camera angle, but I’m pretty sure he flagged his wife at least twice.

    And she was pointing her little gun when, my understanding, is never point the gun at something you’re not going to shoot.

    Not only was she pointing the gun, she was pointing it like she had never held one before.

    They need to fix that, too.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 7:54 AM PDT
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  10. ctlaw Coolidge

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Pink polo shirt w/ scary black rifle. I like it. Panache.

     

    He also was barefoot.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:07 AM PDT
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  11. iWe Reagan
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    I will bet that couple are liberals – which is why they did not know what they were doing.

    But I do not fault their instincts. I protect the things I have invested in, as well.

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:13 AM PDT
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  12. Boss Mongo Member

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Pink polo shirt w/ scary black rifle. I like it. Panache.

     

    He also was barefoot.

    I didn’t notice that until you mentioned it. Even down here in the land of boat drinks and the Coconut Telegraph, never venture out without wearing shoes that can help you get out of trouble.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:19 AM PDT
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  13. Doug Watt Moderator

    Here is what you need for a mob, a tactical shotgun, 18.5 inch barrel. The couple in the photo needs to be much closer to their front door. Double aught shells contains 9 pellets.

    Due to the stopping power it offers, it’s also one of the most widely used types of buckshot ammunition for home defense. 00 shot sends nine large caliber pellets flying at over 1,300 feet per second, and is powerful enough to go through car doors, metal panels and whatever else you may be shooting.

    Rest the gun against your hip, trigger just slightly forward of your hip, the end of the shoulder rest should not rest directly on your body. Slight lean forward as you fire. You will be to keep the muzzle down after firing, and at belt high on your targets for the next round.

    See the source image

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:23 AM PDT
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  14. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Like all events captured on video this one has multiple angles, including one posted by the not-so-bright protestors of them entering a gate marked “private property.”

    The couple was doxxed very quickly. One of the doxxers was quickly doxxed himself, causing him to quickly lock down his Twitter account. (Sorry, Bud, screenshots are forever.) This is stupidity on steroids.

    The surge in gun sales since the pandemic started is now clashing with the increasing boldness of the Marxists taking advantage of the combination of the George Floyd killing and the government actually encouraging the populace to hide their faces behind masks. That means we have thousands of nervous new gun owners with poor trigger discipline facing young punks with bad judgment on the invincibility of their cause, their methods and their own being. Everybody is lucky that all involved in this situation walked away unscathed.

    For me, the most amusing thing was the Twitter base sympathetic to “the cause” citing Missouri gun law on “brandishing.” Who do you want to enforce those laws, folks? The cops you’re trying to defund? 

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:26 AM PDT
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  15. Boss Mongo Member

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Here is what you need for a mob, a tactical shotgun, 18.5 inch barrel. The couple in the photo needs to be much closer to their front door. Double aught shells contains 9 pellets.

    Due to the stopping power it offers, it’s also one of the most widely used types of buckshot ammunition for home defense. 00 shot sends nine large caliber pellets flying at over 1,300 feet per second, and is powerful enough to go through car doors, metal panels and whatever else you may be shooting.

    For that situation, you’re absolutely correct. Don’t know if I can sign on to hip firing; I was trained different. Techniques are like…

    Sadly, Dragon’s Breath rounds are not legal in my state. Seems like the deterrent factor would be pretty good.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:41 AM PDT
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  16. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    What I find striking is that the article linked above describes how the home was vacant from 1935-1945. It was never broken into, damaged or looted. How the country has changed! The height of the depression and people left it alone. I say bravo to the owners (both attorneys) for exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. However, I hope they supplement with private security because when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

    I would wager that a good portion of the marauding mob were consuming Busch products of one brand or another.

    A bit of what they were protecting:

    Nowadays I do not expect the police at all. They have been asked to stand back, stand down and assist in the raping of the citizenry.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:48 AM PDT
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  17. Doug Watt Moderator

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Here is what you need for a mob, a tactical shotgun, 18.5 inch barrel. The couple in the photo needs to be much closer to their front door. Double aught shells contains 9 pellets.

    Due to the stopping power it offers, it’s also one of the most widely used types of buckshot ammunition for home defense. 00 shot sends nine large caliber pellets flying at over 1,300 feet per second, and is powerful enough to go through car doors, metal panels and whatever else you may be shooting.

    For that situation, you’re absolutely correct. Don’t know if I can sign on to hip firing; I was trained different. Techniques are like…

    Sadly, Dragon’s Breath rounds are not legal in my state. Seems like the deterrent factor would be pretty good.

    It does require some training for the technique I described. All in all a shotgun is a great negotiation tool. I’m all in on gun ownership, but training and practice reinforces control, and muscle memory to help control, or negate a panic induced adrenaline rush.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 8:54 AM PDT
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  18. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Stad (View Comment):

    This should also be the year “You don’t need a thirty-round magazine” dies too.

    Not for even everyone here. 

    Just the other day saw someone here call for it

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:26 AM PDT
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  19. Doug Watt Moderator

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    Nowadays I do not expect the police at all. They have been asked to stand back, stand down and assist in the raping of the citizenry.

    Standing down includes the possibility that an officer that shoots someone may be prosecuted by a woke prosecutor. A Grand Jury might find the shooting justified, in spite of that a woke mayor, and city council may demand the officer be fired, or sanctioned and that officer will probably never find another agency that will hire them.

    There is also a civil side to a “good shooting.” In Oregon for example a family member has 7 years to file a lawsuit against a police officer in a shooting incident. I know an officer that was involved in a gunfight on a traffic stop. He killed his assailant, and he was wounded in the incident. He told me that he lived with that incident for 7 years on every trip to his mailbox until the 7th anniversary of that incident passed.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:28 AM PDT
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  20. colleenb Member
    colleenb Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Pink polo shirt w/ scary black rifle. I like it. Panache.

     

    He also was barefoot.

    I didn’t notice that until you mentioned it. Even down here in the land of boat drinks and the Coconut Telegraph, never venture out without wearing shoes that can help you get out of trouble.

    But then you have allimagators and I don’t think there are too many of those in St. Louis.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:33 AM PDT
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  21. Jim McConnell Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Here is what you need for a mob, a tactical shotgun, 18.5 inch barrel. The couple in the photo needs to be much closer to their front door. Double aught shells contains 9 pellets.

    Due to the stopping power it offers, it’s also one of the most widely used types of buckshot ammunition for home defense. 00 shot sends nine large caliber pellets flying at over 1,300 feet per second, and is powerful enough to go through car doors, metal panels and whatever else you may be shooting.

    Rest the gun against your hip, trigger just slightly forward of your hip, the end of the shoulder rest should not rest directly on your body. Slight lean forward as you fire. You will be to keep the muzzle down after firing, and at belt high on your targets for the next round.

    See the source image

    That’s also the preferred protection from angry grizzly bears; plus, it’s intimidating for mobs, I would imagine.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:34 AM PDT
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  22. Jim McConnell Member
    Jim McConnell Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Like all events captured on video this one has multiple angles, including one posted by the not-so-bright protestors of them entering a gate marked “private property.”

    The couple was doxxed very quickly. One of the doxxers was quickly doxxed himself, causing him to quickly lock down his Twitter account. (Sorry, Bud, screenshots are forever.) This is stupidity on steroids.

    The surge in gun sales since the pandemic started is now clashing with the increasing boldness of the Marxists taking advantage of the combination of the George Floyd killing and the government actually encouraging the populace to hide their faces behind masks. That means we have thousands of nervous new gun owners with poor trigger discipline facing young punks with bad judgment on the invincibility of their cause, their methods and their own being. Everybody is lucky that all involved in this situation walked away unscathed.

    For me, the most amusing thing was the Twitter base sympathetic to “the cause” citing Missouri gun law on “brandishing.” Who do you want to enforce those laws, folks? The cops you’re trying to defund?

    I don’t believe I’ve heard of anyone actually being shot in any of those confrontations between property owners and the mobs. Maybe proof of the deterrent value of a firearm?

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:38 AM PDT
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  23. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    Nowadays I do not expect the police at all. They have been asked to stand back, stand down and assist in the raping of the citizenry.

    Standing down includes the possibility that an officer that shoots someone may prosecuted by a woke prosecutor. A Grand Jury might find the shooting justified, in spite of that a woke mayor, and city council may demand the officer be fired, or sanctioned and that officer will probably never find another agency that will hire them.

    There is also a civil side to a “good shooting.” In Oregon for example a family member has 7 years to file a lawsuit against a police officer in a shooting incident. I know an officer that was involved in a gunfight on a traffic stop. He killed his assailant, and he was wounded in the incident. He told me that he lived with that incident for 7 years on every trip to his mailbox until the 7th anniversary of that incident passed.

     

    Then you prove BLM point. Why fund what will not do what it should? Why pay for police that do not police?

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:40 AM PDT
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  24. Doug Watt Moderator

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    Nowadays I do not expect the police at all. They have been asked to stand back, stand down and assist in the raping of the citizenry.

    Standing down includes the possibility that an officer that shoots someone may prosecuted by a woke prosecutor. A Grand Jury might find the shooting justified, in spite of that a woke mayor, and city council may demand the officer be fired, or sanctioned and that officer will probably never find another agency that will hire them.

    There is also a civil side to a “good shooting.” In Oregon for example a family member has 7 years to file a lawsuit against a police officer in a shooting incident. I know an officer that was involved in a gunfight on a traffic stop. He killed his assailant, and he was wounded in the incident. He told me that he lived with that incident for 7 years on every trip to his mailbox until the 7th anniversary of that incident passed.

     

    Then you prove BLM point. Why fund what will not do what it should? Why pay for police that do not police?

    My point is that BLM is not just at war with police officers. BLM and their fellow travelers are at war with you, and anyone else that believes that they have the right to their own lives, and the property that they have paid for. They will come for police officers first. Right now everyone else is collateral damage, but you will get your turn.

     

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:46 AM PDT
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  25. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Here is what you need for a mob, a tactical shotgun, 18.5 inch barrel. The couple in the photo needs to be much closer to their front door. Double aught shells contains 9 pellets.

    Due to the stopping power it offers, it’s also one of the most widely used types of buckshot ammunition for home defense. 00 shot sends nine large caliber pellets flying at over 1,300 feet per second, and is powerful enough to go through car doors, metal panels and whatever else you may be shooting.

    For that situation, you’re absolutely correct. Don’t know if I can sign on to hip firing; I was trained different. Techniques are like…

    Sadly, Dragon’s Breath rounds are not legal in my state. Seems like the deterrent factor would be pretty good.

    I love those rounds but they are dirty as hell.

    • #25
    • June 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM PDT
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  26. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    Nowadays I do not expect the police at all. They have been asked to stand back, stand down and assist in the raping of the citizenry.

    Standing down includes the possibility that an officer that shoots someone may prosecuted by a woke prosecutor. A Grand Jury might find the shooting justified, in spite of that a woke mayor, and city council may demand the officer be fired, or sanctioned and that officer will probably never find another agency that will hire them.

    There is also a civil side to a “good shooting.” In Oregon for example a family member has 7 years to file a lawsuit against a police officer in a shooting incident. I know an officer that was involved in a gunfight on a traffic stop. He killed his assailant, and he was wounded in the incident. He told me that he lived with that incident for 7 years on every trip to his mailbox until the 7th anniversary of that incident passed.

     

    Then you prove BLM point. Why fund what will not do what it should? Why pay for police that do not police?

    My point is that BLM is not just at war with police officers. BLM and their fellow travelers are at war with you, and anyone else that believes that they have the right to their own lives, and the property that they have paid for. They will come for police officers first. Right now everyone else is collateral damage, but you will get your turn.

     

    I know BLM is coming for me, just when I see police stand down. Police hugging, kneeling protestors and arresting non protestors I suspect the police are more on BLM side than mine which makes me a bit less on their side.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 9:51 AM PDT
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  27. Doug Watt Moderator

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    Nowadays I do not expect the police at all. They have been asked to stand back, stand down and assist in the raping of the citizenry.

    Standing down includes the possibility that an officer that shoots someone may prosecuted by a woke prosecutor. A Grand Jury might find the shooting justified, in spite of that a woke mayor, and city council may demand the officer be fired, or sanctioned and that officer will probably never find another agency that will hire them.

    There is also a civil side to a “good shooting.” In Oregon for example a family member has 7 years to file a lawsuit against a police officer in a shooting incident. I know an officer that was involved in a gunfight on a traffic stop. He killed his assailant, and he was wounded in the incident. He told me that he lived with that incident for 7 years on every trip to his mailbox until the 7th anniversary of that incident passed.

     

    Then you prove BLM point. Why fund what will not do what it should? Why pay for police that do not police?

    My point is that BLM is not just at war with police officers. BLM and their fellow travelers are at war with you, and anyone else that believes that they have the right to their own lives, and the property that they have paid for. They will come for police officers first. Right now everyone else is collateral damage, but you will get your turn.

     

    I know BLM is coming for me, just when I see police stand down. Police hugging, kneeling protestors and arresting non protestors I suspect the police are more on BLM side than mine which makes me a bit less on their side.

    You couldn’t be more wrong.

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    • June 29, 2020, at 11:38 AM PDT
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  28. Gwen Novak Member
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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I wouldn’t describe the couple as vigilantes at all. The home they were protecting was built for one of the daughters of Adolphus Busch, a home which they have spent 30 years restoring and preserving. Here is a story about their efforts.

    What I find striking is that the article linked above describes how the home was vacant from 1935-1945. It was never broken into, damaged or looted. How the country has changed! The height of the depression and people left it alone. I say bravo to the owners (both attorneys) for exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. However, I hope they supplement with private security because when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

    I would wager that a good portion of the marauding mob were consuming Busch products of one brand or another.

    A bit of what they were protecting:

    Do you live in saint Louis too?

    • #28
    • June 29, 2020, at 11:52 AM PDT
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  29. Stad Thatcher

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    All in all a shotgun is a great negotiation tool.

    The beauty of a pump-action shotgun is when you chamber that round, the noise is scary and serves as a final warning . . .

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    • June 29, 2020, at 12:05 PM PDT
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  30. Percival Thatcher
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    All in all a shotgun is a great negotiation tool.

    The beauty of a pump-action shotgun is when you chamber that round, the noise is scary and serves as a final warning . . .

    Chambered before you go out the door. Warnings are for the two minute mark at the end of a football half.

    • #30
    • June 29, 2020, at 12:09 PM PDT
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