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Additional Dispatch from The Genuine War Zone of Seattle
Last night, the CHOP Terrorist Mini-State in Capitol Hill, Seattle, became a genuine war zone. Shots fired, one killed, one injured, and as a result, they now have RIP signs up in the Zone. The residents of the neighborhood are “on edge” (ya think?!) about the situation, and “city leaders are mum.”
Surviving shooting victim “critical”, and as yet no arrests have been made. Well, since the police allowed themselves to be stopped and not enter the “zone,” perhaps they will never find the perpetrators; it’s hard to investigate a shooting if you can’t enter the area of the shooting. Community members outraged and saddened.
Seattle Police are acting like a bunch of wimps as if they know that the government of the city that employs them is on the side of the “alleged” shooters. Funny thing, if you deny access to the police, there is little chance that the perpetrators will be found.
You asked for it, Seattle Urban Terrorists. No police for you. You deserve what happens to you when the chaos you brought into being bites you. Actions have consequences.
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Oh, come on, we all know this is the work of White Supremacists… Those White Supremacists have flooded the city like MAGA Hat wearing muggers in Chicago.
Medical Personal have refused to enter without a police presence, and the Chaz idiots are crying about it.
From the KOMO News page cited:
A responsibility that falls fundamentally on you, Mayor Durkan, and a responsibility that you have shirked throughout this crisis. You need to resolve this situation now rather than trying to assign blame for your gross and manifest blunders to subordinates. If you are incapable of proper action, it is your duty to resign effective immediately.
I heard it was the proud boys
As I understand it, that is standard operating procedure for both firemen and EMTs. You really can’t expect them to go where the police department can’t guarantee their security.
The body cam videos by police after the shooting show they were being harrased over entering CHOP, so they avoided a confrontation and didn’t enter CHOP, and now they and the EMTs who also refused to enter CHOP without their security being assured are being criticized for not entering CHOP, which is what Durkan is reacting to with her comments.
You can’t have it both ways. Either the mayor backs up her police force in more forcefully dealing with the situation, or accept that the people running CHOP are on their own dealing with the situation, and since they have no law enforcement or medical training, the result is dead bodies. (I suppose Durken can issue an order for police and EMTs to essentially become cannon fodder, by forcing them to go into CHOP unarmed and/or unprotected to deal with emergency calls, but I doubt any officers would agree to follow that procedure, and even Durken’s own hand-picked police chief would likely balk at disciplining officers over that, at least if she wanted to avoid an open revolt and mass resignations.)
It seems like Black Lives Matter is powerless in this situation.
I thought BLM was the situation
Sad for Seattle residents living in that area. I imagine the politicians and the wealthy are still very well protected. Most of my sympathy is reserved for police & fire who are forced to serve the CHAZ or CHOP area.
The Seattle residents living in that area especially elected their city government and deserve what they are getting. The Capitol Hill population is heavily homosexual and leftist.
Speaking as someone who doesn’t know Seattle… What the [expletive] is going on?
More specifically, we hear about all this awful stuff. But, given the situation as described, the solution seems quite straightforward. So are there not enough people in the city of Seattle who care enough to do anything about it?
I get that the mayor seems to be eager for Antifastan to continue and won’t allow the police to do anything. But aren’t there enough citizens who care about the city able to muster up some alternative approaches? State police? Arrest the mayor? Lawsuits? A militia? There’s gotta be some way to bypass the mayor.
I will take exception. While the OP states that the police are ‘acting like wimps’ the inference is that they are wimps. They are anything but. They are obviously under orders to stand down. It is time for the mayor to deal with this and not further endanger our police, firefighters, and EMTs. On a personal note, our family in particular is profoundly grateful for the SPD due to our association with the city.
The people of Seattle are leftists. Leftists idolize government and expect government to keep them safe and warm and everything else. The Washington State Patrol closes I-5 through downtown Seattle for protest marches sometimes more than three times in one day. The rot goes to the top. Governor Dimslee sympathizes with the urban terrorists so they have free rein.
Absolutely correct.
I have lived on Capitol Hill, first from 1978-1979, and then again from 2010-2015.
I last had a place just a few blocks from where all this mayhem is taking place. While the area is indeed largely extremely liberal to hard leftist so I kept my views to myself, I believe there are still plenty of people in that neighborhood who either live there or work there or both, and who are but helpless bystanders to this insurrection, and are suffering the consequences of the abdication of responsibility by their elected officials.
Unfortunately, as city government neglects its responsibilities to maintain law and order, and a republican form of government, the wackos and organized hardcore leftists have been allowed to take over, and this is the result. There now have reportedly been at least one (known) rape, several armed robberies, one (known) murder and one victim clinging to life.
So glad to have moved out of there, but I really worry about folks and businesses I knew and patronized when I was there.
When the he]] will the powers that be come to their senses?
Therein lies the problem: one has to have some sense to which to come.
Someone needs to get their hands on all of the Mayor’s official phone and communication records. I think there is a lot to this:
Who is the mayor taking orders from? Who is her support network? Who is she coordinating with outside of city business channels?
But then there is this (same link):
The game of chicken is on. Unfortunately, as I see it, Trump has no reason to act unless the media lets the national outrage meter rise…but the media cannot let that happen without destroying the mayor, the governor, and the whole house of cards in which this “movement” is sheltered. The mayor stacked the deck herself and still dealt herself a losing hand.
Susan, the inference was not that the Seattle Police are wimps. They know that the chief of police and Mayor do not have their backs, and ultimately do not really support them. I don’t understand how anyone can be a Seattle police officer.
Yep — If Trump sends the troops in, without the public both inside and outside Seattle thinking there is a crisis that neither the mayor nor the governor are handling, he gets pounded as some kind of new Hitler by the media, by Durken, Inslee, and other Democrats around the country, and in all probability by 50-75 percent of the people living inside the CHOP zone, who might be demanding local and/or state officials do something, but would do a 180 due to their ideological beliefs if Trump did something. It’s a likely frog-and-scorpion situation.
Related:
I love this sentence from the story:
“According to Seattle Police, officers arrived on scene and attempted to find the victims but where met by a “violent crowd that prevented officers safe access to the victims.” CHOP responded by saying “No one within the CHOP denied entry to PD within any organizational capacity. Officers deciding on their own not to enter an area is not the same as being denied entry.”‘
Is that so. Please elaborate and let us know how your “organization” is structured. What training and experience do the members of your “organization” have? What are your protocols for such incidents? Is anyone in your “organization” being sanctioned for violating those protocols?
Earlier today, I thought I read how some in CHOP were expressing fear that the police arrived and were attempting to locate and retrieve the shooting victim with their weapons drawn. This seemed entirely disingenuous to me. They just had a shooting — which resulted in a murder — and somebody is more fearful of police with their weapons drawn than becoming a victim of another shooting. What do I know? I’m just a white person. I once was a child who was fearful of police until a policeman spoke to me in the aftermath of having my pockets picked. After that, I realized they support me, I don’t have any reason to be afraid. Maybe if they put down the bullhorn and stop with the shouting, they could have an honest conversation with another human being who just happens to wear the uniform.
As this situation continues, in my mind I’m starting to call this the Capital Hill Hostage Situation.
Here’s the article by KOMO News in which residents express that they feel they are held hostage in their own neighborhood.
But… CHHS isn’t a word…
Capital Hill Anarcho-Terrorists – CHAT
How about Capitol Hill Autonomous Occupation Zone – CHAOZ.
or Sector would make it CHAOS.
Capitol Hill Urban Mobilization Project
Where is Inslee?
As I understand it this is just a large block party, music festival, a bit like Woodstock
I spent 7 years as an EMS medical director in Oshkosh Wi. I can tell you that no EMS system will respond to a shooting until the police have secured the scene. The revolutionaries in CHAZ ( I won’t play their game with CHOP) are indeed on their own. Ordinary citizens living in the Occupied Territory are also at risk and the blame lays squarely on the Mayor and Governor.