Overlooked Series for TV or Movie Adaptation

 

The Game of Thrones book series is nihilistic nonsensical bilge.  But it makes for “good” television because that sort of mess seems to be popular in today’s culture, what with all the sex, sorcery, and savagery.  As an actual story though?  It’s terrible.  Which is probably why George R.R. Martin could never finish it – it had no real logical “out”, no escape from its cycles of violence and revenge, save what the HBO writers could force together.  Until HBO picked it up, though, it was unlikely fare for Hollywood treatment – Hollywood typically shies away from overly long fantasy cycles simply because such things are very expensive to cast and produce well, to say nothing of finding good writers to translate novels into scripts you can actually film.  For all the awfulness of its story, I do give full credit to HBO for the solid work they put into the project over nearly a decade – one can deplore the story but still admire the brilliant and extremely skilled craftwork involved in telling it, and (more importantly) sticking with it at that high level for so long.  Would that The Hobbit had been given that same dedication.

And now it seems we are to receive another attempt at telling the story of Dune.  I am not excited at the prospect.  The David Lynch film of the 80s was terrible.  The SciFi Channel’s miniseries of 20 years ago was much better.  But why Dune?  Why yet another attempt?  If Hollywood is looking for that next “big epic”, surely there are other and better stories to tell?  Dune, the first book, is interesting, but has its weaknesses, while the rest of the series gets rather strange.  Haven’t other authors written better and more compelling fantasy or science-fiction epics?  Or must we continually return to just a few “classics”, like Amazon is trying to do with its pending Tolkien series?  I would like to propose a few other authors and series that Hollywood should consider instead, and would invite you to make your own suggestions as well.

Jack VanceLyonesse – You have all the vying factions and warring kingdoms, spies, betrayals, magic, pending doom, adventures, and quests that people loved in GoT, but series is more tightly told, not predicated on the nonsense of centuries of cultural and technological stasis, and its story arcs and overall narrative have definite beginnings, middles, and ends.  The characters are also far more human, and thus more clever, and more fallible at the same time.  Vance is not afraid to kill off characters, but does not do so because the Plot Wheel® demands it.  Vance’s other works, from his Dying Earth stories to his science fiction, would also make good candidates – they are character driven tales in vivid worlds, but the worlds are ultimately only backdrops for the people in them.

Susan Cooper – The Dark Is Rising – Yes this is a children’s series, and yes Hollywood did, in its Harry-Potter enthusiasms, already put out a film, but it was dreadful (almost Lynch-Dune dreadful at that), and we should put it aside and start over.  The series is a modern blending with ancient Anglo-Celtic mythology, and as such is very richly told.  

Cornelia Funke – Inkheart – Like with Susan Cooper, Hollywood tried this one and blew it once already, in no small part because they could not decide whether it was a children’s story with some mature hints, or a more mature story as witnessed by a child, and of course they Americanized it.  Andrew Klavan’s Another Kingdom series deals with some similar concepts as Funke, so if you enjoyed Klavan you would find this series familiar in some respects.  Inkheart is a story series about our own world intersecting with a very rich and complicated parallel magical world, through the eyes of a young woman growing up in both.

What would you like to see made?  What authors or series have been either unfairly overlooked, or badly mangled and worth another shot?

Or are there series (say, like Dune) that you think ought to be put out to pasture just on principle at this point?  

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  1. aardo vozz Member
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    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    I cannot think of a specific title or author, but virtually every time I’ve read a cheap, trashy, formulaic, paperback espionage novel that I’d picked up in an airport or train station book stall I’ve thought it would make a great movie. Those things are basically written as if they were film treatments.

    I did a little searching online, and I did come up with one example. Duncan Kyle. I read his A Raft Of Swords during the plane journey back home from Britain once.

    Sorry. Hit wrong button. No “unflag” buttons on my screen🙄

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  2. Knotwise the Poet Member
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    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    I’d love to see Wheel of Time (Robert Jordan, may he rest in peace, and finished by Brandon Sanderson) made into a series but I’m afraid as well that it would be destroyed.

    The Expanse series is fantastic and has some incredible casting (the character of Chrisjen Avasarala is my new heroine). I am amazed how much I am enjoying the series. So, whatever they’re doing is great!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Z88Mpao80

     

    I haven’t read through the whole thread, so maybe somebody already replied to this, but Amazon is actually making a Wheel of Time series adaptation.  Brandon Sanderson’s been very positive about the showrunner and the scripts he seen.  They did go very PC multi-ethnic with the casting, though, so that’s a little concerning.

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  3. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Knotwise the Poet (View Comment):
    They did go very PC multi-ethnic with the casting, though, so that’s a little concerning.

    Jordan is very multi-culti. He’s clear that the Two Rivers is known for dark hair and eyes, and that Rand looks like a weirdo because he has blue eyes and red hair. Faile has “slanted” Saldeaean eyes. Tuon is the color of good earth. Etc.

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  4. Misthiocracy held his nose and Member
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    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Trajan (View Comment):

    Gibson’s Neuromancer…..

    Much like the John Carter movie, at this point it would seem derivative of all the other movies that came afterwards.

    But this can always be played to advantage. In interpreting the material, one is not stuck with ignoring all that has come after and turgidly rehashing the material. Otherwise, there would be no new Jane Austin movies of quality.

    And oh what a shame that would be.

    < sarcasm mode = off >

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  5. Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) Member
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    SkipSul (View Comment):
    The soundtrack was awful, electric guitar riffs while riding sock-puppet sandworms….. 

    Future band name detected.

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  6. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    If I had a billion dollars I would make all the Jerry Pournelle Falkenberg books as limited series.  And I would do them properly and not let hollywood wreck them.  That would be probably one of the most right wing tv shows ever made.

    Only thing I can think to top it would be Tom Kratmans Carrera novels, which involve a lot of shooting of terrorists, media, sjws and the massive hatred of the UN and political correctness.

    A little more subtle would be the General series by SM Stirling and David Drake.  Men riding giant dogs and fighting barbarian armies while a supercomputer tries to rebuild civilization.  Its pretty amazing.

    If I were doing an animated series i would go and do David Webers Honor Harrington books.  I think they would work better as an animation given the books take such a long period of time and the Prolong they use it would be more realistic.

    Another limited series the Freehold book by Micheal Z Williamson, so we can see a true Minarchist state in operation.

     

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  7. Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    “Here, try this.”

    “What is it?”

    “Worm poop.”

    It’ll make a sandworm outta ya, Leto, just eat it!

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  8. SkipSul Inactive
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    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Trajan (View Comment):

    Gibson’s Neuromancer…..

    Much like the John Carter movie, at this point it would seem derivative of all the other movies that came afterwards.

    But this can always be played to advantage. In interpreting the material, one is not stuck with ignoring all that has come after and turgidly rehashing the material. Otherwise, there would be no new Jane Austin movies of quality.

    And oh what a shame that would be.

    < sarcasm mode = off >

    I’m guessing Jane is one you’d nominate for retirement from remakes?

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  9. SkipSul Inactive
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    Another unpopular opinion:

    No more comic-book movies, please!

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  10. James Hageman Coolidge
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    This may be far astray, but CGI could do wonders with the Divine Comedy.

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  11. Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) Member
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    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Trajan (View Comment):

    Gibson’s Neuromancer…..

    Much like the John Carter movie, at this point it would seem derivative of all the other movies that came afterwards.

    But this can always be played to advantage. In interpreting the material, one is not stuck with ignoring all that has come after and turgidly rehashing the material. Otherwise, there would be no new Jane Austin movies of quality.

    And oh what a shame that would be.

    < sarcasm mode = off >

    I just want you to know that Jane was very hurt by your remark.

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  12. SkipSul Inactive
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    James Hageman (View Comment):

    This may be far astray, but CGI could do wonders with the Divine Comedy.

    Very true.  There was a Dante’s Inferno video game about a decade ago, but let’s just say it wasn’t very loyal to the source material.  It had Dante going through hell with a giant whipping scythe and re-killing the dead and the demons.  Amazing graphics, but….

    Wonder why they never made a sequel….

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  13. SkipSul Inactive
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    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Trajan (View Comment):

    Gibson’s Neuromancer…..

    Much like the John Carter movie, at this point it would seem derivative of all the other movies that came afterwards.

    But this can always be played to advantage. In interpreting the material, one is not stuck with ignoring all that has come after and turgidly rehashing the material. Otherwise, there would be no new Jane Austin movies of quality.

    And oh what a shame that would be.

    < sarcasm mode = off >

    I just want you to know that Jane was very hurt by your remark.

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  14. DrewInWisconsin is done with t… Member
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    SkipSul (View Comment):
    There was a Dante’s Inferno video game about a decade ago, but let’s just say it wasn’t very loyal to the source material. It had Dante going through hell with a giant whipping scythe and re-killing the dead and the demons.

    Yeah, the book was a real let-down after that. Should’a let someone else do the novelization.

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  15. Jeff Hawkins Inactive
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    SkipSul (View Comment):
    In the latter category I’d put Disney’s The Black Cauldron, for instance, as a terrible butchering of Lloyd Alexander. I know they were attempting to do with Alexander what they had done decades before with T. H. White in The Sword in the Stone. While Disney took massive liberties with White too (the book is little like the film), the film at least works and is fun, but somehow Cauldron really never takes off, even though the approach is very similar.

    Disney should take another shot at this, so long as they refrain from the “outcasts singing about friendship” trope.

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  16. danok1 Member
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    Another unpopular opinion:

    No more comic-book movies, please!

    Preach brother! 

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  17. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    SkipSul (View Comment):
    The soundtrack was awful, electric guitar riffs while riding sock-puppet sandworms…..

    Future band name detected.

    I had a friend in New York with a band called “Kosher Mexican Cookies.” 

    I sort of wondered where they got the name, but I didn’t think too much about it. One day I was in D’Agostino’s, the NY grocery store, and looked up to see what aisle I was in. I was in “Kosher Mexican Cookies.” Ah ha…

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  18. SkipSul Inactive
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    Jeff Hawkins (View Comment):

    SkipSul (View Comment):
    In the latter category I’d put Disney’s The Black Cauldron, for instance, as a terrible butchering of Lloyd Alexander. I know they were attempting to do with Alexander what they had done decades before with T. H. White in The Sword in the Stone. While Disney took massive liberties with White too (the book is little like the film), the film at least works and is fun, but somehow Cauldron really never takes off, even though the approach is very similar.

    Disney should take another shot at this, so long as they refrain from the “outcasts singing about friendship” trope.

    At this point I think Disney should stay very very far away from any more beloved authors.  Social distancing isn’t far enough, I am fully confident they would utterly ruin the story.

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  19. Instugator Thatcher
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    SkipSul (View Comment):
    the butchering of Faramir’s character, and omitting the scouring of the shire especially

    Completely agree with this.

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  20. Misthiocracy held his nose and Member
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Trajan (View Comment):

    Gibson’s Neuromancer…..

    Much like the John Carter movie, at this point it would seem derivative of all the other movies that came afterwards.

    But this can always be played to advantage. In interpreting the material, one is not stuck with ignoring all that has come after and turgidly rehashing the material. Otherwise, there would be no new Jane Austin movies of quality.

    And oh what a shame that would be.

    < sarcasm mode = off >

    I’m guessing Jane is one you’d nominate for retirement from remakes?

    I was all in favour of a Pride And Prejudice And Zombies movie, but they cheaped out on the budget.

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  21. Misthiocracy held his nose and Member
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    Another unpopular opinion:

    No more comic-book movies, please!

    Depends on the comic book.  

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  22. Misthiocracy held his nose and Member
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    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Trajan (View Comment):

    Gibson’s Neuromancer…..

    Much like the John Carter movie, at this point it would seem derivative of all the other movies that came afterwards.

    But this can always be played to advantage. In interpreting the material, one is not stuck with ignoring all that has come after and turgidly rehashing the material. Otherwise, there would be no new Jane Austin movies of quality.

    And oh what a shame that would be.

    < sarcasm mode = off >

    I just want you to know that Jane was very hurt by your remark.

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  23. Misthiocracy held his nose and Member
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    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    SkipSul (View Comment):
    The soundtrack was awful, electric guitar riffs while riding sock-puppet sandworms…..

    Future band name detected.

    I had a friend in New York with a band called “Kosher Mexican Cookies.”

    I sort of wondered where they got the name, but I didn’t think too much about it. One day I was in D’Agostino’s, the NY grocery store, and looked up to see what aisle I was in. I was in “Kosher Mexican Cookies.” Ah ha…

    I’ve occasionally thought that Mexican Vodka would be a good name for a band.

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  24. Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) Member
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (Rolling Stone) (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy held his nose and (View Comment):

    Trajan (View Comment):

    Gibson’s Neuromancer…..

    Much like the John Carter movie, at this point it would seem derivative of all the other movies that came afterwards.

    But this can always be played to advantage. In interpreting the material, one is not stuck with ignoring all that has come after and turgidly rehashing the material. Otherwise, there would be no new Jane Austin movies of quality.

    And oh what a shame that would be.

    < sarcasm mode = off >

    I just want you to know that Jane was very hurt by your remark.

    Blackadder hands Shakespeare a ballpoint pen. And he know what to do with it. Historical drama just isn’t what it used to be.

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  25. TBA Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin is done with t&hellip; (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):
    The first one wins by making dwarves washing dishes fun to watch.

    I remember being shocked that Peter Jackson included one of the songs. And I sort of worried that there were going to be more.

    Upon further reflection, that might have improved the trilogy.

    Hobbit: The Musical! 

    Helm’s Deep On Ice! 

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  26. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    I’m guessing Jane is one you’d nominate for retirement from remakes?

    Did anyone see Love and Friendship? That was a brilliant and wickedly funny film (not a remake as far as I know).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MaSK3POHI0

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  27. TBA Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Ooooh. More and better H. P. Lovecraft film?

    Anime. It should be some kind of hybrid animation. 

    In fact…there is no reason I can see that people couldn’t produce tons of animation right now with home studios and computers. There is going to be a giant hole in streaming services as so many shows are halted. 

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  28. Instugator Thatcher
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Flashman.

    And if I was king of the forrrrrest, I would pause the movie ever so often for the footnotes, delivered with acidic disdain by a John-Houseman type walking around the Flashman Library. To date myself even more, I would have cast Cary Elwes in the title role. Today’s actors seem to have too much smirky soy to carry off the role.

    Yes, I know, they made a Flashman movie, but let us not dwell on that.

    Neither do I acknowledge that there has been a film made of the book Starship Troopers.

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  29. Instugator Thatcher
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    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    For long form TV, I think any of Larry Correia’s series would be phenomenal, but especially the Monster Hunters franchise.

    Or even the Black Tide Rising books.

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  30. Instugator Thatcher
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    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    For long form TV, I think any of Larry Correia’s series would be phenomenal, but especially the Monster Hunters franchise.

    I would love to see how they do G-Nome. That would be a kick.

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