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Vaccines Are Not Going to Kill You
This chart has been floating around Farcebook and other sociopathic media for awhile. I finally saw it a couple of hours ago.
“Hmm,” I said, “that doesn’t look right.”
Let’s do some research, using the same websites that “t. sixx” purports to get his data from: The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
I’ve been kicking around pediatric medicine for a year or two, so I immediately noticed a couple of anomalies. Very few people are just vaccinated for Mumps or Measles or Rubella. The grand majority, well over 90%, are given a combo vaccine called MMR. The same goes for Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis. Since that’s the case, how do you know which portion of the combo was the cause of death? Also, look at all the coincidences. Mumps, Rubella and Varicella vaccines all caused four deaths each. Well, deaths from those three appear to be incredibly rare, so that number is not out of the realm of possibility. But Diphtheria and Tetanus? Exactly 72 each? Pneumonia and Polio, 85 each? Really?
Well, maybe so. After all, incredible coincidences do happen. So I went to the VAERS database, the same source that “t. sixx” gets his/her/their/it’s data from, and plugged in every combination of Mumps, Measles and Rubella vaccines for 2014. “t. sixx” says those three caused 14 deaths. The VAERS database says three. Well, that’s only off by 79%; maybe “t. sixx” hit the wrong key. Anyone can make a mistake. How about Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis? “t. sixx” says those three vaccines caused 221 deaths. The actual number, again from the database that “t. sixx” claims as a source, is 36. Just a little bit off.
How about the other column? “t. sixx” claims that the CDC says that only 19 people died of the flu in 2014. Hallelujah! We’ve conquered the flu!!! Oopsy, that’s just a bit off. The CDC actually says that flu deaths in 2014 were estimated to be 51,376. That’s not even close enough for government work. Well, maybe he was just talking about children? 803 deaths in 2014 according to the source “cited” by “t. sixx.” Children under four years old? 396 deaths from the flu in 2014, still off by a factor of 20 to 1.
I did find one thing right: 13 people died of Hepatitis B in 2014. Unfortunately, according to VAERS, there were six deaths from the vaccine for Hep B that year, not 50.
And even supposing that every line on that chart is true, the reason that there are so few deaths from these diseases is because most people have been vaccinated. Does anyone really think that there would be still no deaths from Tetanus if we stopped vaccinating?
So this is the same as all anti-vax propaganda: Blatant lies to fool the gullible. And they obviously know they are lying. As Derek Hunter says about Adam Schiff, “If the truth was on their side, they wouldn’t have to lie.”
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That totally sucks.
I had an opposite experience. Was about four or five; came down with chicken pox. In addition to ice cream as a reward for not picking and scratching the pox, there was a minor fire in the incinerator of the apartment building where my family lived. My mom talked the firefighters into visiting me after the fire was put out. Meeting the guys from the FD was a highlight of my summer.
That is a tremendous series of tragedies your family has incurred. My condolences. Sad to consider how your father had to suffer twice – first for the loss of his wife, and then to be blamed for a decision he made while facing a crisis.
The problem with the vaccine industry in America is that we are being lied to blatantly by the very people who are more interested in lining their companies’ coffers than in seeing that we have safe vaccines. For instance, far more studies have been undertaken in England with regards to the serious adverse effects of the DTap vaccine than have occurred here in the USA. Is that because our vaccine manufacturers have more lobbyists here than exist in England? I couldn’t tell you.
Is there a need for some vaccines? Yes of course. I think many of us Baby Boomers, who remember the terror of the polio epidemics, understand the need for some vaccines.
But one of the more important aspects of scientific reasoning is risk vs benefit. An example: polio is a real and serious illness that left its victims paralyzed or in an iron lung or dead. So taking the risk of the vaccine is worthwhile, as its benefit is to keep a child safe from paralysis and death.
On the other hand, in industrialized nations, measles is for the most part only an infection with scant chance of killing a child. The vaccine industry does not inform the public that the way they come up with the over-the-top and scary statistics they present on measles’ deaths is by going off to third world countries and gathering the stats on populations of youngsters who are perpetually malnourished, lack essential vitamins and minerals in their diets, lack clean water, suffer from chronic diarrhea & who will die from even a minor infection.
So with a multi vaccine like the measles mumps rubella vaccine, (MMR) we are trading away the health of a child due to fears created by inflated stats on death & serious injury due to measles, & having children end up w/ seizure disorders which can kill, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism, Tourette’s, narcolepsy, chronic stomach problems like Crohn’s and IBS, skin disorders like eczema and psoriasis, and more.
That is not at all how Norwegian researchers view the situation.
And again, there is no way in hell to know how many deaths actually occur from any vaccine as the numbers are not reported. If Michael Belkin, a world class statistician, could not accomplish having the NYC coroner who agreed with him that his daughter’s death was due to the Hep B vaccine given the afternoon before she died, get this fact presented to anyone at the CDC or VAERS, what hope would any normal person have of accomplishing this?
Pshht! I never had that vaccine. (I did have measles, mumps, and rubella, though), and I have asthma, allergies, (mild) autism, a chronic digestive problem (or maybe more than one, I swear), eczema/psoriasis, and more! Maybe it’s not really the vaccine causing all these problems.
To address the reporting difference issue, the authors limit their sample to infants born after 22 weeks of gestation with birth weight over 500 grams, since births are required to be reported above these thresholds. They also limit the analysis to singleton births, as access to reproductive technologies has increased the frequency of multiple births, which have higher mortality rates. Making these restrictions reduces the U.S. IMR disadvantage by about 40 percent, but a substantial disadvantage remains – in this sample, the U.S. IMR is 4.65 per 1000, versus 2.94 in Austria and 2.64 in Finland.
Finally, the authors explore how the U.S. IMR disadvantage varies by racial and education group. They find that the U.S.’s higher post-neonatal mortality rate is driven almost entirely by excess mortality among individuals of lower socioeconomic status. As the authors note, “infants born to white, college-educated, married women in the U.S. have mortality rates that are essentially indistinguishable from a similar advantaged demographic in Austria and Finland.”
https://www.nber.org/aginghealth/2015no1/w20525.html
Stop. Just stop.
101,500,000 MMR vaccinations, 120 CLAIMS for compensation. For the billionth time there is no evidence, none, that vaccines cause autism. Or ADHD. Or Tourettes.
You say “Maybe it’s not really the vaccine that is causing the p[roblem.”
Quite right in one sense. We live inside a very toxic society. For four years of my life, I took care of a man in his mid twenties who was autistic. His parents claimed that he had been born that way.
One of the things worth noting about their hosuehold is that they liveds in a mansion, with over 1,000 feet of redwood decking. All of which was treated with wood deck preservatives. Even in the 1990’s, which is when I worked with the young man, this stuff was toxic. When my spouse picked me up to bring me home, he insisted on staying in the car, as he could not withstand the fumes from that preservative sprayed across all 1,000 feet of decking on a day when it was freshly applied.
Unlike me, he did not think he had chemical sensitivities except for this preservative. usually by the time I got home, I was noticing my words would slur – from being affected by this crap.
At the time of A’s being in his mom’s womb, the wood preservatives had both arsenic and copper that were in the formulas.
So it would not be proper to say that only vaccines cause health problems. Which is why i refrain from saying that.
There are studies out that that collate the fact that babies tend to die from “SIDS” within one day to two weeks after vaccinations.
It might be a bit unfair to blame the entire matter on vaccinations. When circa 2000 to 2005, I spent some 90 minutes discussing the situation of babies who die of SIDS, with Dr Ron Harper of the UCLA Medical School, we both were intrigued by the possibility of how the vaccine might be a sensitizing element that then creates a situation where when the baby is exposed to other toxins, there’s an anaphylactic result. (Harper was an expert on infant brain development.)
So the baby is injected with a vaccine. Then the baby is put into a nursery where Lysol has been sprayed, to kill germs. Or perhaps a Glade air freshener is plugged into the nursery outlet.
Lysol contains Alkyl, a nasty toxin. Glade contains benzene, formaldehyde & other toxins like limonene. The infant is sensitized due to the vaccine, & develops a respiratory distress that perhaps will kill them.
Jonas Salk stated many times that no one who is sick should be administered a vaccine. He was equally adamant that no pregnant women should be vaccinated.
Why would that be? Perhaps this report on aluminum, an adjuvant utilized in perhaps all of the vaccines on the market has some very risky factors as detailed here, fromt he website:
http://vaccinetruth.org/index.html:
One of the more troubling things I have found is that vaccines contain Aluminum Hydroxide, thimerosal, and Formalin just to name a few. Aluminum Hydroxide is a form of Aluminum. Aluminum is harmful to all life forms. It damages all types of tissue. Aluminum is a protoplasmic poison and a deadly, persistent neurotoxin. No living systems use aluminum as part of a biochemical process. Ironically, the American Academy of Pediatrics admits that Aluminum is now being implicated as interfering with a variety of cellular and metabolic processes in the nervous system and in other tissues.
The author of the above wrote this when thimerosal, which contains mercury, was more common in vaccine material.
The amounts of aluminum in vaccines currently exceed the FDA guidelines on how much aluminum should be in one’s diet on any given day. It has been stated that if a parent fed an infant the amount of aluminum that is contained in any vaccine booster, and CPS officials found the parent did this, they would have the child removed from the household.
Somehow it is considered safer to inject a larger amount of aluminum into the infant’s bloodstream, while telling society to not have a lesser amount in the alimentary system?
We are substituting seizure disorders, with lifelong consequences, and possible death as an outcome, asthma, with lifelong consequences and possible death, and so many other vaccine injuries.There are no real studies that indicate vaccines are safe. The surveys that have been published do not let the average person realize that the “placebo” group for the vaccine study contains the same risky adjuvants that the examined vaccine group contain!
If a newborn is afflicted with migraines, the parents do not know the hep b vaccine is the causal factor.
My doctor refused to give me a hep b vaccine when I was 43, due to his awareness of the consequences of the hep b vaccine. At that point in time, I thought he was nuts. I now understand he was very well informed.
Our hospital personnel give newborns the hep b vaccine the day they are born. It is the riskiest of all vaccines in the vaccine schedule. To offer it to all newborns, when hep b is an illness resulting from sharing needles during drug use, and promiscuous sex, makes no sense. (Prior to doing this, our society was already screening pregnant women for hep b, and then administering the vaccine to only the babies whose mothers were infected.)
You can cite the low amounts of adverse outcomes, but most people do not report the illnesses and disorders that come about.
The various safer vaccine sites on FB continue to accumulate new members who are doctors and nurses who have come to realize the dangers of vaccines. One determining factor among older med personnel is that back in the day, they actually were taught about the dangers of aluminum and mercury in the human body. They also remember Salk stating no pregnant women should be vaccinated, and that no sick individuals should be injected with a vaccine.
I’m clearly not going to convince you of anything. This is to everyone else. None of what was just said has any basis in actual medical science. Anyone interesting in actual facts on mercury and vaccines can look here.
Understanding Thimerosol, Mercury and Vaccine Safety
Aluminum. Is an extremely common element. We get it in our food, EDIT
dietwater and medications ( anyone use Maalox or Mylanta? Aluminum. ) The amount as an adjuvant in vaccines is minuscule compared to typical normal daily exposure.Here’s info on adjuvants in vaccines
Nothing in medicine is 100 percent safe. Nothing. But on balance vaccines are among the safest, most effective treatments we have. That’s the science.
I second Kozak’s statement.
I haven’t founded an FDA-recommended level of aluminum in the diet, perhaps because aluminum is not a nutrient, but the CDC and EPA say average American adults get 7-9 mg of aluminum in their daily diet. Some get much more than that, because they take aluminum-containing medications.
If you count the total amount of aluminum children receive in their vaccines in the first six months of life, and compare it to the amount of aluminum a baby might ingest in one day, yes, you can get the former number to be larger than the latter, but it’s not comparing like with like.
Six months is about 182 days. According to my source, a soy-fed baby ingests the most aluminum, 117 mg, over a six-month period. That means babies getting considerable aluminum in their diet ingest less than one mg a day, and yes, 4.4 mg is bigger than that. Still, that’s not comparing like with like. When you say “has been stated”, been stated by whom, and is that source comparing like with like?
Obviously, ingested aluminum is absorbed less than injected aluminum is, but,
Aluminum is an abundant element, the third-most abundant in the earth’s crust. That does not make it safe in any quantity, but considering how hard it is to avoid, it would be surprising if trace amounts greatly harmed us. The reason people with kidney impairment must be especially careful about aluminum is that working kidneys are fairly effective at clearing aluminum from the blood.
To put things into perspective, the way most of us live these days (with aluminum in cookware, food and drink containers, medicines, deodorants, etc), why worry so much about the aluminum in the occasional vaccine? If I’m going to put more of an element that’s not so good for me into my blood (and I concede aluminum is not good, even if it’s much less harmful than other baddies), I’d rather it be to stave off something even worse, and immunization seems to fit that requirement.
That study seemed to be very well done. I am a bit concerned that some funding came from the Neubauer family, a family tied to the Aramark Company. And this comes up regarding Aramark:
WikiPedia – Aramark Food safety issues
In 2013, an investigation by Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist Chris Hedges discovered that the food provided to inmates at Burlington County Jail in New Jersey was substandard and spoiled, and often made prisoners sick with diarrhea and vomiting.[42] Maggots found in the food preparation areas at Parnall Correctional Facility in Jackson, Michigan may have been the source of an outbreak of food-borne illness.[43][44] Maggots were also found in Aramark food products at Michigan’s Charles Egeler Reception & Guidance Center[45] and two Ohio prisons, the Ohio Reformatory for Women and Trumbull Correctional Institute.[46] Aramark, however, was cleared by the Michigan Department of Corrections of any responsibility for inmate illness and for pests in Michigan.[47] Ohio and Michigan fined Aramark $270,000 and $200,000 respectively.[48]
In April 2015, the managing board of The Cavalier Daily, a student-run newspaper at University of Virginia, reported Aramark literally “served garbage” to inmates in Saginaw Correctional Facility in Freeland, Michigan. It noted that Aramark has in the past “underfed inmates & fed them dog food, worms & scraps of food from old meals” & argued the university should reconsider its relationship with this food services contractor.[49] Michigan’s oversight of Aramark’s performance was criticized as inadequate in a report released in August 2015 by the group Progress Michigan after Michigan moved to end the contract.[50]
#### Hopefully the infant mortality researchers were more conscientious than the Neubauer patriarch.
Just had a thought: Speaking to neverTrumpers is very much like speaking to anti-vaxxers.
I think there may very well be some way to convince antivaxxers that they are misinformed about vaccines. We just haven’t discovered it.
I wish Ricochet had more members who understand the art of persuasion, and had the patience to use it. I don’t know the art. (But if I did, I’d have the patience!)
We have a lot of people who know the facts about vaccines, and more importantly know how to critically analyze articles and studies, including crackpot/fraudulent Internet sites like the one that the OP focuses on and the ones that antivaxxers are so easily taken in by. But technical and methodological knowledge (for example, the ability to recognize invalid interpretations of the results of studies and statistics) is of little use in persuading someone who is pre-disposed to joining crackpot movements.
It is like standing on the balcony of a 40th store apartment, and shouting to your neighbor on the 40th floor of another building, “Your apartment is 50 meters too far west! You must move it immediately!!” An antivaxxer cannot possibly just relocate his apartment. It sits atop a structure that is mislocated. There is absolutely nothing holding it in the air but this foundation. He or she will never agree to move her apartment into empty space, 40 stories high.
I will never learn the art of persuasion, though I think I could easily summon the patience, if I knew that I had that skill.
I think it would involve taking an elevator down to the ground floor, exiting my own apartment building, and having coffee with my antivaxxer neighbor in the cafe.
Which is not on the 40th floor.
And not in my building, which is located on solid ground, but rather in hers, which is not.
You know how they will get convinced? When we get some horrible epidemic and the only treatment is vaccination.
Like my Christian Scientist patient who was having a massive heart attack and suddenly decided on getting medical treatment.
If the risks of vaccines outweighed their benefits, believe me, you’d know it. We give a lot of vaccines.
That’s the issue with vaccines. You’re treating people who are healthy. So any side effect seems disastrous. Treating the unseen is a thankless task. Extremely important, but thankless.
Everybody thinks that preventive medicine makes sense, in theory. But in practice, it’s more complicated.
No rational being could deny the benefits of vaccines. The problem, however, is that human beings are not rational. That is not a criticism. That’s just who people are.
So we walk to the bathroom without a second thought. And we fear flu shots. That’s not rational. But hey, we’re people.
I’m a Bengals fan. I don’t criticize the irrational.
On the other hand, Bengals fans are generally harmless. Anti-vaccine people are not.
See? I told you there was a way!! Now we just need a strategy (preferably one that won’t get us arrested for manslaughter.)
;-)
Or personslaughter?
I am grateful for all of the vaccines I and my children have had, even though my kids have had some difficult side-effects.
However, I have to say that I have a lot of problems with the hepatitis B vaccine for newborns. Why can’t we wait to give that one until the baby is older? My kids didn’t get it until they went to college.
Well, this guy’s a fairly sensible guy and here’s his advice:
One problem, though, is that there are some cases where it’s not “not so hard” to tell the truth as you understand it without threatening someone else’s signal.