Three Cheers for Governor Abbott

 

Yesterday, October 2, 2019 Governor Greg Abbott sent a letter to Austin’s mayor demanding the mayor do something about Austin’s homeless problem. It has been out of control since the City Council passed a law legalizing overnight camping everywhere – except in front of City of Austin offices. As a result, Austin has been turning into San Francisco South-Central.

And if the mayor blows off the Governor? Abbott pledges to use state authority to clean up Austin if the mayor fails to solve the problem by November 1.

October 2nd is the anniversary of the Battle of Gonzales, when the Mexicans tried to take a cannon issued to the city to protect them from Indian raids. The Texians responded, “Come and Take It.” Hence the Gonzales Flag:

You can read Abbott’s action here:

 

Keep Austin weird – not insane.

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  1. Zafar Member
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    MACHO GRANDE' (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    How, specifically, will the Governor solve the homelessness problem?

    Meaning: if camping is made illegal, where will those people go?

    We shouldn’t expect to be able to provide an answer to that question from on high. Top-down answers to such questions have done more harm than good. Given well over a hundred years’ experience, you’d think we’d know that by now.

    But the bottom-up response often seems to be ‘somewhere else is good enough for me’, which just moves the problem along to another part of the state or country rather than solving it.

    Then solve it for us, instead of stating the obvious. Build more overpasses for people to live under? Create a new Department of Ignoring Personal Responsibility? Blame Democrats for liberating the mentally ill, out onto the streets, where they cannot cope for themselves?

    It’s funny how cities that provide generous support systems seem to have a ****-ton of people crapping in the streets. I wonder why?

    It’s a mystery.

    I get that it’s not a mystery, but getting rid of the support systems isn’t going to house anybody. Is it?

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  2. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    I have two friends who live in subsidized housing. For one it’s kept them out of Aged Care (which would be much more expensive) and for the other it’s kept them out of jail (again, a more expensive option for the rest of us).

    “Them?”

    What reason is there to use “them” when referring to an anonymous person? Why not “he” or “she” as these are friends of yours and thus you clearly know the sex of the person in both cases? Or are these friends “non-binary” and it is they who insist on being referred to in the plural?

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  3. Quietpi Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    I get that it’s not a mystery, but getting rid of the support systems isn’t going to house anybody. Is it?

    I say again: housing is not the problem.  It’s a symptom, or rather an outcome.  And the support systems only work to get people back into what we consider respectable society, when the people involved want to be helped.  To be sure, everybody gladly accepts the support, as long as it doesn’t interfere with their lifestyles.  Some small percentage do want help.  That’s fantastic, and for them, miracles will happen.  But most do not. It’s hard to comprehend why anybody would choose to live like that.  But the majority of them do.

    Many times I’ve asked a homeless person why s/he doesn’t go to a shelter.  Usually the answer is obvious at first contact.  The second most common answer? “Because they won’t let me in with my Fluffy.  Fluffy’s my baby.  I’m not going anywhere if I can’t keep Fluffy with me!”  And so s/he and fluffy continue to freeze, or sweat, or starve – well, Fluffy never starves.  Funny thing about dogs.

    Just like alcoholism and AA, most people aren’t willing to change their behavior until they are forced to admit that they are at rock bottom, and even then they have to finally, once and for all, make the change. Just as family members of alcoholics become enablers, and only delay the alcoholic’s reaching that rock bottom, we now see a monstrous example of the government establishing itself as the greatest enabler of all time.

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  4. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    I wonder if that doesn’t mean we should subsidize more housing?

    I, for one, don’t wonder that. If you subsidize housing you get more people using subsidized housing and fewer people paying for it, with bad social consequences.

    It can be a combination of who provides and who pays (a subsidy). Giving people some housing security seems like a good thing for society.

    I have two friends who live in subsidized housing. For one it’s kept them out of Aged Care (which would be much more expensive) and for the other it’s kept them out of jail (again, a more expensive option for the rest of us).

    Edited to add (again for Australia):

    The 2016 NSHS further found that between half and three-fifths of all social housing tenants were not in the labour force—that is, they were neither working nor currently looking for work. Conversely, around 39% of public rental housing, 47% of SOMIH and 44% of community housing tenants were in the workforce….

    At 30 June 2016, more than a quarter of public rental housing households were reported as depending on an age (25%) or disability (29%) pension as their main source of income (data unavailable for SOMIH and community housing). Employment disincentives for social housing tenants may also include—rent increases as a result of increased income; social housing ineligibility where their income exceeds a certain threshold; as well as a potential lack of social housing availability in areas with increased employment prospects. Alternatively, social housing may afford tenants with greater stability, increasing their opportunities to find and maintain suitable employment.

    So we need to factor in the reason people are in need of assisted housing as well before using employment rates as a standard measure of its impact.

    Most Section 8 housing in the U.S. have rent subsidies based on household income and total number of family members. For the homeless with jobs, you’d have to see what their take-home pay is, and how they’re allocating it.

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  5. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    My brother lives in Texas and frequently travels to Austin. I would love for Texas to remain a state that values conservative principles. This is a step in the right direction.

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  6. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    I know a guy who is now legally blind (can’t drive) and barely mobile. He is divorced and his children have abandoned him. He can still see well enough to use his smartphone and computer, which is just well enough to work from home for a pittance. Without assisted housing of some sort, public or private, he would be on the street. 

    A variety of circumstances can lead to homelessness. And even the undeserving are best kept off the street at the expense of others. Depending on how they are provided for, such gifts can be practical and agreeable to most. 

    As usual, I’m skeptical of the assumption that private practices can’t provide more efficiently, reliably, and personably than government programs… if unburdened by regulations. 

    My impression is that the sort of housing and locations are more relevant than general housing availability. As that American Conservative article about Utah’s system suggests, it helps to reside somewhere with helpful neighbors, rather than a den of crackheads. I have been through many “projects” over the years. Security and a pleasant environment are necessary to preserve hope for a good life. Productive people can’t get going if they are repeatedly robbed or vandalized by their neighbors. 

    Perhaps governments could allow for exemptions to construction regulations to lessen expenses and allow that money to be reallocated to more important standards of living, like security. Poor people don’t need eco-efficient homes, for example. 

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  7. Zafar Member
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    Man With the Axe (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    I have two friends who live in subsidized housing. For one it’s kept them out of Aged Care (which would be much more expensive) and for the other it’s kept them out of jail (again, a more expensive option for the rest of us).

    “Them?”

    What reason is there to use “them” when referring to an anonymous person?

    Not my issue.  

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  8. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    I know a guy who is now legally blind (can’t drive) and barely mobile. He is divorced and his children have abandoned him. He can still see well enough to use his smartphone and computer, which is just well enough to work from home for a pittance. Without assisted housing of some sort, public or private, he would be on the street.

    A variety of circumstances can lead to homelessness. And even the undeserving are best kept off the street at the expense of others. Depending on how they are provided for, such gifts can be practical and agreeable to most.

    As usual, I’m skeptical of the assumption that private practices can’t provide more efficiently, reliably, and personably than government programs… if unburdened by regulations.

    My impression is that the sort of housing and locations are more relevant than general housing availability. As that American Conservative article about Utah’s system suggests, it helps to reside somewhere with helpful neighbors, rather than a den of crackheads. I have been through many “projects” over the years. Security and a pleasant environment are necessary to preserve hope for a good life. Productive people can’t get going if they are repeatedly robbed or vandalized by their neighbors.

    Perhaps governments could allow for exemptions to construction regulations to lessen expenses and allow that money to be reallocated to more important standards of living, like security. Poor people don’t need eco-efficient homes, for example.

    The local housing authority where I am divides it’s clusters into elderly/disabled low income housing and low income housing for people who are younger and able to work, but either aren’t working in jobs that can afford higher rent, can’t keep a job for whatever reason, or simply are part of the permanently unemployed and on government assistance. It doesn’t do anything  for those who follow the law in the latter housing, but have a neighbor who local law enforcement know by first name, but it does keep those who are less able-bodied safer.

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  9. Skyler Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Didn’t Austin pass a measure (similar to the one in some California cities) where prosecutors would not go after thieves who steal less than $800 of goods per day?

    No.

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  10. TBA Coolidge
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    I know a guy who is now legally blind (can’t drive) and barely mobile. He is divorced and his children have abandoned him. He can still see well enough to use his smartphone and computer, which is just well enough to work from home for a pittance. Without assisted housing of some sort, public or private, he would be on the street.

    A variety of circumstances can lead to homelessness. And even the undeserving are best kept off the street at the expense of others. Depending on how they are provided for, such gifts can be practical and agreeable to most.

    As usual, I’m skeptical of the assumption that private practices can’t provide more efficiently, reliably, and personably than government programs… if unburdened by regulations.

    My impression is that the sort of housing and locations are more relevant than general housing availability. As that American Conservative article about Utah’s system suggests, it helps to reside somewhere with helpful neighbors, rather than a den of crackheads. I have been through many “projects” over the years. Security and a pleasant environment are necessary to preserve hope for a good life. Productive people can’t get going if they are repeatedly robbed or vandalized by their neighbors.

    Perhaps governments could allow for exemptions to construction regulations to lessen expenses and allow that money to be reallocated to more important standards of living, like security. Poor people don’t need eco-efficient homes, for example.

    Thomas Sowell pointed out long ago that when governments raze ‘substandard housing’ the people who used to live there have to scramble to find non-substandard housing which is of course more expensive, and often beyond their ability to afford. 

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  11. TBA Coolidge
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    It’s probably pretty easy to guess which of the homeless would be most likely to get back on their feet and which won’t, but is unlikely that government workers are in a position to triage by likely outcome. 

    “I ask you, what am I? I’m one of the undeserving poor: that’s what I am. …it’s always the same story: ‘You’re undeserving; so you can’t have it.’ …  I don’t need less than a deserving man: I need more. I don’t eat less hearty than him; and I drink a lot more.” – Alfred Doolittle from Pygmalion 

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  12. MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam… Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    MACHO GRANDE’ (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    How, specifically, will the Governor solve the homelessness problem?

    Meaning: if camping is made illegal, where will those people go?

    We shouldn’t expect to be able to provide an answer to that question from on high. Top-down answers to such questions have done more harm than good. Given well over a hundred years’ experience, you’d think we’d know that by now.

    But the bottom-up response often seems to be ‘somewhere else is good enough for me’, which just moves the problem along to another part of the state or country rather than solving it.

    Then solve it for us, instead of stating the obvious. Build more overpasses for people to live under? Create a new Department of Ignoring Personal Responsibility? Blame Democrats for liberating the mentally ill, out onto the streets, where they cannot cope for themselves?

    It’s funny how cities that provide generous support systems seem to have a ****-ton of people crapping in the streets. I wonder why?

    It’s a mystery.

    I get that it’s not a mystery, but getting rid of the support systems isn’t going to house anybody. Is it?

    This is like asking me if the answer to traffic congestion is to get rid of roads, and if I agree.  Is it?

    Meaning it’s a goofy premise.  I’m not hiding something in code words here, if you were wondering.  It’s goofy and unserious.

    How does the old adage go:  What happens when you subsidize something?  

    Answer:  You get a lot more of it.

    Hm.

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  13. Zafar Member
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    MACHO GRANDE' (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    This is like asking me if the answer to traffic congestion is to get rid of roads, and if I agree. Is it?

    Well, it would certainly move all that congestion somewhere else.  

    What am I missing? Genuine question, I’m not being deliberately obtuse, it’s coming naturally.

    Meaning it’s a goofy premise. I’m not hiding something in code words here, if you were wondering. It’s goofy and unserious.

    How does the old adage go: What happens when you subsidize something?

    Answer: You get a lot more of it.

    So if we want less homelessness and also more affordable housing in areas where people have a chance of getting a job, why not subsidize that kind of housing?

    If the stats are right:

    30% of homeless people in Australia have a mental health or addiction issue – which means that 70% of homeless people in Australia do not.  Clearly homelessness is not purely a function of mental health issues or addiction.

    And

    30% of homeless people in Australia are employed.  So again, clearly, just employment is not enough to resolve the issue for people.

     

     

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  14. The Reticulator Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    legalizing camping in front of City of Austin offices, but nowhere else?

    Call the camps Hoovervilles.

    Obamavilles or Aldervilles after the Austin mayor.

    On the principle of using leftwing cliches and shibboleths against leftists, I’d go with Hoovervilles.  Not for the children, but for the benefit of the greybeard leftists still among us. 

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  15. TBA Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    MACHO GRANDE’ (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    This is like asking me if the answer to traffic congestion is to get rid of roads, and if I agree. Is it?

    Well, it would certainly move all that congestion somewhere else.

    What am I missing? Genuine question, I’m not being deliberately obtuse, it’s coming naturally.

    Meaning it’s a goofy premise. I’m not hiding something in code words here, if you were wondering. It’s goofy and unserious.

    How does the old adage go: What happens when you subsidize something?

    Answer: You get a lot more of it.

    So if we want less homelessness and also more affordable housing in areas where people have a chance of getting a job, why not subsidize that kind of housing?

    If the stats are right:

    30% of homeless people in Australia have a mental health or addiction issue – which means that 70% of homeless people in Australia do not. Clearly homelessness is not purely a function of mental health issues or addiction.

    And

    30% of homeless people in Australia are employed. So again, clearly, just employment is not enough to resolve the issue for people.

    Certainly from the homeless point of view there isn’t just one problem. 

    From the city with crap on its streets, though, the problem is pretty singlular and the solution is clear as well. 

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  16. Zafar Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    MACHO GRANDE’ (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    This is like asking me if the answer to traffic congestion is to get rid of roads, and if I agree. Is it?

    Well, it would certainly move all that congestion somewhere else.

    What am I missing? Genuine question, I’m not being deliberately obtuse, it’s coming naturally.

    Meaning it’s a goofy premise. I’m not hiding something in code words here, if you were wondering. It’s goofy and unserious.

    How does the old adage go: What happens when you subsidize something?

    Answer: You get a lot more of it.

    So if we want less homelessness and also more affordable housing in areas where people have a chance of getting a job, why not subsidize that kind of housing?

    If the stats are right:

    30% of homeless people in Australia have a mental health or addiction issue – which means that 70% of homeless people in Australia do not. Clearly homelessness is not purely a function of mental health issues or addiction.

    And

    30% of homeless people in Australia are employed. So again, clearly, just employment is not enough to resolve the issue for people.

    Certainly from the homeless point of view there isn’t just one problem.

    From the city with crap on its streets, though, the problem is pretty singlular and the solution is clear as well.

    How about from the country’s perspective?

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  17. TBA Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    MACHO GRANDE’ (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    This is like asking me if the answer to traffic congestion is to get rid of roads, and if I agree. Is it?

    Well, it would certainly move all that congestion somewhere else.

    What am I missing? Genuine question, I’m not being deliberately obtuse, it’s coming naturally.

    Meaning it’s a goofy premise. I’m not hiding something in code words here, if you were wondering. It’s goofy and unserious.

    How does the old adage go: What happens when you subsidize something?

    Answer: You get a lot more of it.

    So if we want less homelessness and also more affordable housing in areas where people have a chance of getting a job, why not subsidize that kind of housing?

    If the stats are right:

    30% of homeless people in Australia have a mental health or addiction issue – which means that 70% of homeless people in Australia do not. Clearly homelessness is not purely a function of mental health issues or addiction.

    And

    30% of homeless people in Australia are employed. So again, clearly, just employment is not enough to resolve the issue for people.

    Certainly from the homeless point of view there isn’t just one problem.

    From the city with crap on its streets, though, the problem is pretty singlular and the solution is clear as well.

    How about from the country’s perspective?

    It’s not actually the country’s problem – not in any practical sense. More to the point; it’s not a problem that can be solved at a national level unless you employ cattle cars and that’s not our bag. 

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    I get that it’s not a mystery, but getting rid of the support systems isn’t going to house anybody. Is it?

    Getting rid of government support systems would allow some people to be housed. Some people might say those non-governmental systems were inadequate.  They were certainly inadequate in meeting the goals of leftist governance, but they didn’t necessarily do a worse job than is done now.  And governments went to work to restrict their activities and put them out of business unless they agreed to do things the governments’ way.  We see that sort of behavior even now when individuals try to feed the homeless.   

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    So if we want less homelessness and also more affordable housing in areas where people have a chance of getting a job, why not subsidize that kind of housing?

    Why not, indeed.  A good part of the answer of why not is that it’s a corrupt system – providing corporate welfare for the construction of expensive housing for the well-off so long as a few units of more affordable housing are constructed, too.   

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