Bulwark Report: When All You Have Is an Anti-Trump Hammer…

 

I think Jonathan V. Last is a very funny fellow, in a dark and sardonic way. I enjoy him on the Sub-Beacon podcast and wherever else I hear him. He’s an amusing, irreverent, nebbish fellow, and I don’t like saying bad things about him.

But his latest piece at The Bulwark, entitled Donald and Jussie, Birds of a Feather, is trying too hard to fulfill The Bulwark’s mission, which is to spare no expense, grace, or integrity in its effort to besmirch the all-too-readily besmirchable President Trump.

JVL writes:

First, here’s President Donald Trump claiming “complete and total exoneration” of all charges in the Mueller investigation.

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And now here’s actor Jussie Smollett claiming that he’d been “truthful and consistent” in the face of charges that he’d committed a hate-crime hoax.

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The symmetry here is perfect. Absolutely perfect. The only thing we really know from Bob Mueller’s lips is that on the subject of obstruction: “while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.” That’s eerily similar to the words said by the prosecutor who dismissed the charges against Smollett, saying that he “does not believe [Smollett] is innocent.”

Now you can believe that both of these men have been judged as innocent because the legal system has declined to prosecute them. Or you can believe that both of them can be viewed with suspicion because the official verdict of the legal system is not the last word in actual culpability.

But you cannot claim that one of them must now be treated as totally and completely innocent but that the other is clearly guilty. Which is what most of America seems to be doing.

Do you see what he did there? It’s true that President Trump overstated the case with his “complete and total exoneration” comment. But is it true, as JVL claims, that the “symmetry here is perfect?”

On the one hand, we have a man who has just been definitively cleared of a charge that has hounded him for two years, who knew he was innocent the day the investigation started, who has professed his innocence all along, who could have stopped the investigation at any point but chose not to, and who almost certainly has not obstructed justice and, if he hasn’t, is fully aware that he hasn’t and that the justice department will now agree with him.

On the other hand, we have a man who has just been mysteriously absolved of responsibility for a crime he certainly committed, who has lied since the first moments of his case, and who continues to lie about his innocence now.

What Trump is saying, in essence, is “I didn’t collude with the Russians, and I didn’t obstruct justice in the investigation of a crime I know I didn’t commit. I allowed the investigation to run to its conclusion. I am exonerated.” His mistake was in his failure to add “… or I will be in a few days when the justice department acknowledges that I didn’t obstruct justice,” as it undoubtedly will.

What Smollett is saying is “I am innocent,” when in fact the little fraud is guilty as sin and everyone knows it.

That’s only “symmetric” if you’re tilted as far to one side as the good folks at The Bulwark appear to be.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    “It’s not a theory but a matter of historical record that Vladimir Putin’s Russia hacked American emails and used them to help elect Trump to the presidency.

    You keep posting this, but nobody knows if Russia did it.

    They definitely got the United States Secretary of State’s emails, though.

    Every one of the U.S. intelligence agencies would beg to differ with you.

    The DNC hack? I have never heard that they proved this in any way. It was a simple phishing scam. 

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Taking back the House of Reagan is the highest priority, even more important than the 2020 General Election.

    So 90% of GOP voters are wrong, and you are part of the 10% who are right.

    And, that 10% is going to restore the party to greatness just as soon as Trump is gone? I cannot speak for anyone but me, but I can say that I will never vote for or support any party with the likes of you running it.

    You may feel differently if Trump is defeated, and we lose a half dozen Senators and hundreds more legislators in the 2020 elections.

    Trump’s support, while broad, is not deep. About 40-45% of Republican voters in Iowa and New Hampshire would welcome a Republican Primary.

    No. I’ll never side people like you. Never. 

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  3. Ed G. Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jack Hendrix (View Comment):

    People are still talking about the mueller report?

    Just wait until it is published!

    Gary, do you think Trump colluded with Russia?

    I believe that there was probable cause to believe that Trump colluded with Russia. Charlie Sykes quoted David Frum as follows:

    “It’s not a theory but a matter of historical record that Vladimir Putin’s Russia hacked American emails and used them to help elect Trump to the presidency.

    “It’s not a theory but a matter of historical record that agents purporting to represent Putin’s Russia approached the Trump campaign to ask whether help would be welcome, to which Donald Trump Jr. replied, ‘If it’s what you say I love it…’

    “It’s not a theory but a matter of historical record that Donald Trump publicly welcomed this help: ‘I love WikiLeaks!’”

     

    You keep algorithmically quoting this but you never engage with objections. Sykes and Frum are not source materials – the things you quote are biased and tortured opinion. So tortured that they might qualify as violations of the Geneva Convention. 

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  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    “It’s not a theory but a matter of historical record that Vladimir Putin’s Russia hacked American emails and used them to help elect Trump to the presidency.

    You keep posting this, but nobody knows if Russia did it.

    They definitely got the United States Secretary of State’s emails, though.

    Every one of the U.S. intelligence agencies would beg to differ with you.

    The DNC hack? I have never heard that they proved this in any way. It was a simple phishing scam.

    They did not prove it. That is what the DNC said. Has not been independently verified. 

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We aren’t the Bulwark turncoats. We are the Reagan Republicans who are holding the high watch while the rest of the party has been swept away by Trump. Trump will fail. And after he does, we will be there to rebuild the party with Trump’s former followers.

    Gary, I don’t think that this is correct, and I think that the way that you phrase it is indicative of the problem.

    You are not part of “the Reagan Republicans who are holding the high watch,” because this formulation implies that I am not a Reagan Republican. I am a Reagan Republican. I agree that you are, too.

    Most of the Bulwark folks don’t look like Reagan Republicans to me. They look like Rockefeller Republicans. I do not say that this applies to all of them, but this is my overall impression.

    From the polling, it appears that most Reagan Republicans are on Trump’s side. You are not. Your thesis is that I am — I don’t know, something like Donald Sutherland at the end of Body Snatchers. I don’t think that this is correct.

    If, hypothetically, I were to concede that the Bulwark folks are Reagan Republicans, then this implies that they — and you — are violating one of Reagan’s core strategies. You know, the 11th Commandment.

    You can say that Trump started it first. I think that this is demonstrably incorrect, factually. McCain attacked Trump first. National Review attacked Trump first. Romney attacked Trump first. Frankly, I attacked Trump first, as I strongly opposed him during the primaries, and I agree that there was good reason to do so. Trump counterattacked with astounding skill and forcefulness.

    The concerns that I had during the primaries, and even through the general election, have been greatly alleviated by the President’s performance in office. I think that you even agree with this. I do not understand why you continue your wholehearted opposition.

    I do know that it is not just pride. You have demonstrated an ability to admit when you were wrong. So it’s something else.

    I think that after Trump is defeated in 2020, and we lose a half-dozen Senators and hundreds more legislators, there will be a huge reassessment of the Trump experience.  

    I don’t think that there are any Rockefeller Republicans left.  That is a shame to the degree that we would need them to win in the Northeast to be able to have a majority in the House, just as the Democrats relied on moderate Democrats like Conor Lamb to regain the majority in the House.

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  6. Jager Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Taking back the House of Reagan is the highest priority, even more important than the 2020 General Election.

    So 90% of GOP voters are wrong, and you are part of the 10% who are right.

    And, that 10% is going to restore the party to greatness just as soon as Trump is gone? I cannot speak for anyone but me, but I can say that I will never vote for or support any party with the likes of you running it.

    You may feel differently if Trump is defeated, and we lose a half dozen Senators and hundreds more legislators in the 2020 elections.

    Trump’s support, while broad, is not deep. About 40-45% of Republican voters in Iowa and New Hampshire would welcome a Republican Primary.

    I don’t think you should put as much stock in some of this stuff as you are. In Iowa 81% of Republicans approved of Trump, 67% of Republicans would definitely vote for Trump, while at the same time 63% would welcome a Primary Challenger. 

    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2018/12/17/trump-iowa-republicans-2020-election-white-house-democrats-campaign-romney-sasse-rubio-kasich-flake/2312476002/

    This mixed result could just as well show that Republicans in Iowa will vote Trump in a Primary but like the fun of a competitive process in the first state in the nation.  

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Taking back the House of Reagan is the highest priority, even more important than the 2020 General Election.

    So 90% of GOP voters are wrong, and you are part of the 10% who are right.

    And, that 10% is going to restore the party to greatness just as soon as Trump is gone? I cannot speak for anyone but me, but I can say that I will never vote for or support any party with the likes of you running it.

    You may feel differently if Trump is defeated, and we lose a half dozen Senators and hundreds more legislators in the 2020 elections.

    Trump’s support, while broad, is not deep. About 40-45% of Republican voters in Iowa and New Hampshire would welcome a Republican Primary.

    No. I’ll never side people like you. Never.

    So you want the Democrats to rule?  Trump is deeply under water in Michigan and Wisconsin.  If the Dems don’t nominate a crazy, Arizona will likely vote for the Democrats, along with Florida and Pennsylvania.  

    The Conservative Movement and the Republican Party are so much more than Trump.  We need to return to first principles.  See Reagan, Ike and Coolidge.

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  8. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We aren’t the Bulwark turncoats. We are the Reagan Republicans who are holding the high watch while the rest of the party has been swept away by Trump. Trump will fail. And after he does, we will be there to rebuild the party with Trump’s former followers.

    Gary, I don’t think that this is correct, and I think that the way that you phrase it is indicative of the problem.

    You are not part of “the Reagan Republicans who are holding the high watch,” because this formulation implies that I am not a Reagan Republican. I am a Reagan Republican. I agree that you are, too.

    Most of the Bulwark folks don’t look like Reagan Republicans to me. They look like Rockefeller Republicans. I do not say that this applies to all of them, but this is my overall impression.

    From the polling, it appears that most Reagan Republicans are on Trump’s side. You are not. Your thesis is that I am — I don’t know, something like Donald Sutherland at the end of Body Snatchers. I don’t think that this is correct.

    If, hypothetically, I were to concede that the Bulwark folks are Reagan Republicans, then this implies that they — and you — are violating one of Reagan’s core strategies. You know, the 11th Commandment.

    You can say that Trump started it first. I think that this is demonstrably incorrect, factually. McCain attacked Trump first. National Review attacked Trump first. Romney attacked Trump first. Frankly, I attacked Trump first, as I strongly opposed him during the primaries, and I agree that there was good reason to do so. Trump counterattacked with astounding skill and forcefulness.

    The concerns that I had during the primaries, and even through the general election, have been greatly alleviated by the President’s performance in office. I think that you even agree with this. I do not understand why you continue your wholehearted opposition.

    I do know that it is not just pride. You have demonstrated an ability to admit when you were wrong. So it’s something else.

    I think that after Trump is defeated in 2020, and we lose a half-dozen Senators and hundreds more legislators, there will be a huge reassessment of the Trump experience.

    I don’t think that there are any Rockefeller Republicans left. That is a shame to the degree that we would need them to win in the Northeast to be able to have a majority in the House, just as the Democrats relied on moderate Democrats like Conor Lamb to regain the majority in the House.

    And if that does not happen, Gary? You have been wrong about so much thus far. What happens if Trump wins in 2020? What then?

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  9. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We aren’t the Bulwark turncoats. We are the Reagan Republicans who are holding the high watch while the rest of the party has been swept away by Trump. Trump will fail. And after he does, we will be there to rebuild the party with Trump’s former followers.

    Gary, I don’t think that this is correct, and I think that the way that you phrase it is indicative of the problem.

    You are not part of “the Reagan Republicans who are holding the high watch,” because this formulation implies that I am not a Reagan Republican. I am a Reagan Republican. I agree that you are, too.

    Most of the Bulwark folks don’t look like Reagan Republicans to me. They look like Rockefeller Republicans. I do not say that this applies to all of them, but this is my overall impression.

    From the polling, it appears that most Reagan Republicans are on Trump’s side. You are not. Your thesis is that I am — I don’t know, something like Donald Sutherland at the end of Body Snatchers. I don’t think that this is correct.

    If, hypothetically, I were to concede that the Bulwark folks are Reagan Republicans, then this implies that they — and you — are violating one of Reagan’s core strategies. You know, the 11th Commandment.

    You can say that Trump started it first. I think that this is demonstrably incorrect, factually. McCain attacked Trump first. National Review attacked Trump first. Romney attacked Trump first. Frankly, I attacked Trump first, as I strongly opposed him during the primaries, and I agree that there was good reason to do so. Trump counterattacked with astounding skill and forcefulness.

    The concerns that I had during the primaries, and even through the general election, have been greatly alleviated by the President’s performance in office. I think that you even agree with this. I do not understand why you continue your wholehearted opposition.

    I do know that it is not just pride. You have demonstrated an ability to admit when you were wrong. So it’s something else.

    I think that after Trump is defeated in 2020, and we lose a half-dozen Senators and hundreds more legislators, there will be a huge reassessment of the Trump experience.

    I don’t think that there are any Rockefeller Republicans left. That is a shame to the degree that we would need them to win in the Northeast to be able to have a majority in the House, just as the Democrats relied on moderate Democrats like Conor Lamb to regain the majority in the House.

    And if that does not happen, Gary? You have been wrong about so much thus far. What happens if Trump wins in 2020? What then?

    I don’t know.  We shall see.  

    However, I wasn’t wrong about my prediction that we would lose the House in 2018.  I have a pretty good record so far.

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The Conservative Movement and the Republican Party are so much more than Trump. We need to return to first principles.

    It’s a bit late. Gee, why is that?

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  11. WI Con Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    “It’s not a theory but a matter of historical record that Vladimir Putin’s Russia hacked American emails and used them to help elect Trump to the presidency.

    You keep posting this, but nobody knows if Russia did it.

    They definitely got the United States Secretary of State’s emails, though.

    Every one of the U.S. intelligence agencies would beg to differ with you.

    Every one of Barrak Obama’s ‘intelligence agencies’. “17 Intelligence Agencies…” it’s like the “98 percent of scientists believe in global warming”. 

    There was a majority of pundits and journalists that believe he was guilty too-so what? Two years, nearly unlimited investigatory powers and resources and nothing. 

    How about J.V. Last contrast the actual evidence that Mueller compiled in two-plus years with what the Chicago PD collected in one month. Not even close.

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  12. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Taking back the House of Reagan is the highest priority, even more important than the 2020 General Election.

    So 90% of GOP voters are wrong, and you are part of the 10% who are right.

    And, that 10% is going to restore the party to greatness just as soon as Trump is gone? I cannot speak for anyone but me, but I can say that I will never vote for or support any party with the likes of you running it.

    You may feel differently if Trump is defeated, and we lose a half dozen Senators and hundreds more legislators in the 2020 elections.

    Trump’s support, while broad, is not deep. About 40-45% of Republican voters in Iowa and New Hampshire would welcome a Republican Primary.

    No. I’ll never side people like you. Never.

    So you want the Democrats to rule? Trump is deeply under water in Michigan and Wisconsin. If the Dems don’t nominate a crazy, Arizona will likely vote for the Democrats, along with Florida and Pennsylvania.

    The Conservative Movement and the Republican Party are so much more than Trump. We need to return to first principles. See Reagan, Ike and Coolidge.

    Yes I want the Democrats to rule if it means I don’t have to be aligned with you. 

    After all, you wanted the Democrats to rule if it meant hurting Trump. 

    I’d say we are on the same page, exactly. 

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  13. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We aren’t the Bulwark turncoats. We are the Reagan Republicans who are holding the high watch while the rest of the party has been swept away by Trump. Trump will fail. And after he does, we will be there to rebuild the party with Trump’s former followers.

    Gary, I don’t think that this is correct, and I think that the way that you phrase it is indicative of the problem.

    You are not part of “the Reagan Republicans who are holding the high watch,” because this formulation implies that I am not a Reagan Republican. I am a Reagan Republican. I agree that you are, too.

    Most of the Bulwark folks don’t look like Reagan Republicans to me. They look like Rockefeller Republicans. I do not say that this applies to all of them, but this is my overall impression.

    From the polling, it appears that most Reagan Republicans are on Trump’s side. You are not. Your thesis is that I am — I don’t know, something like Donald Sutherland at the end of Body Snatchers. I don’t think that this is correct.

    If, hypothetically, I were to concede that the Bulwark folks are Reagan Republicans, then this implies that they — and you — are violating one of Reagan’s core strategies. You know, the 11th Commandment.

    You can say that Trump started it first. I think that this is demonstrably incorrect, factually. McCain attacked Trump first. National Review attacked Trump first. Romney attacked Trump first. Frankly, I attacked Trump first, as I strongly opposed him during the primaries, and I agree that there was good reason to do so. Trump counterattacked with astounding skill and forcefulness.

    The concerns that I had during the primaries, and even through the general election, have been greatly alleviated by the President’s performance in office. I think that you even agree with this. I do not understand why you continue your wholehearted opposition.

    I do know that it is not just pride. You have demonstrated an ability to admit when you were wrong. So it’s something else.

    I think that after Trump is defeated in 2020, and we lose a half-dozen Senators and hundreds more legislators, there will be a huge reassessment of the Trump experience.

    I don’t think that there are any Rockefeller Republicans left. That is a shame to the degree that we would need them to win in the Northeast to be able to have a majority in the House, just as the Democrats relied on moderate Democrats like Conor Lamb to regain the majority in the House.

    And if that does not happen, Gary? You have been wrong about so much thus far. What happens if Trump wins in 2020? What then?

    I don’t know. We shall see.

    However, I wasn’t wrong about my prediction that we would lose the House in 2018. I have a pretty good record so far.

    Congratulations! You predicted we would lose the House in the first year of the term of a new President. 

    I predicted it would not be statistically significant, and I was right. Did a whole chart going back to FDR. Trump’s losses were perfectly normal for the House. They were comparable to your avatar’s. So, things went as they do. 

    I’ll tell you what you will do if Trump wins: Make no change at all, and push your fight out 4 more years.

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  14. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    “It’s not a theory but a matter of historical record that Vladimir Putin’s Russia hacked American emails and used them to help elect Trump to the presidency.

    You keep posting this, but nobody knows if Russia did it.

    They definitely got the United States Secretary of State’s emails, though.

    Every one of the U.S. intelligence agencies would beg to differ with you.

    I’m not sure why I would believe anything they say ever again, given the coup they just tried to pull off.

    Get back to me when every last one of these rats has been fired or imprisoned.

    • #104
  15. RufusRJones Member
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    Instead of analyzing elections, I think it’s better to understand how we got Trump. 

    I don’t understand how people are so confident and comfortable about talking about elections.

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  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jager (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Henry, it’s your call, but I don’t think that giving the Bulwark folks greater exposure and publicity is a good tactic for dealing with them. As I suggested when they opened, everyone writing for the Bulwark should be ostracized and ignored.

    This is my take as well. Every time I see Yet Another Thread about the Bulwank, or Yet Another Link to a Bulwank article, I think that all we’ve done is given them free press.

    The Bulwank features the worst of the Collusion-Truthers, and post-Mueller, they show no signs of coming to their senses.

    Ironically, for a site that claimed it was going to call out the White House grifters, they have proven to be nothing but a collusion-grifter aggregator.

    I didn’t file this Post, I only commented on it to set the record straight.

    I didn’t behave in the suspicious manner outlined in Comment #7, Trump did.

    If you don’t like The Bulwark, don’t read it or listen to its daily Podcast, whose speaker, Charlie Sykes, was featured at Ricochet for a long term. But if you are going to attack The Bulwark, expect a reaction.

     

    Fine, if you are going to quote or defend the Bulwark you should expect a reaction as well. Garbage insults to conservatives from the so-called right.
    https://thebulwark.com/the-age-of-trumpshevism/

    Today they have a fine post up discussing the Trumpshevic (a combination of Trump and Blushevic) co-religonists. With fun insulting comments like on immigration you are “dey tuk er jerbz” (translates to: they took our jobs) and “ayyymnasty” (amnesty).

    If this is what the Party of Reagan supports then the Party of Reagan is dead. IF this is a principled argument, then these people never actually had any principles what so ever.

    So yeah, I read things on The Bulwark. It is a useful reminder that a portion of the right hates me and claims they are the principled, responsible remenant of the Conservative movement. I do this for the same reason I read the MSM sites and leftist sites. It is useful to see what others are saying. When it is name calling like the above article, it does not convince, it proves I am on the right side.

    An intelligent and skilled writer who really cared about his/her subject could have written this article without insults. Intelligent and skilled just does not describe a lot of what the Bullwark produces.

    I think that you are being unfair to this article.  Here are its closing paragraphs:

    “Politics is no longer about ideas, but rather about polemics and personality contests. People say horrible things to one another over the most mediocre of difference on social media, whether on principle or ‘for the lulz.’ One can argue whether Trump himself is the cause of this plague or mere symptom. But there is no doubt he is the face of it.

    “The idea of warfare as an extension of politics may be as old as Clausewitz, but the converse—where politics is an extension of warfare—is a dangerous one indeed. If we actually prize moderation and ideas in the public square, and if that elusive word—decency—is ever to return to our lexicon, it might be worthwhile to recognize that our principles are worth arguing for, and might even be worth defending, but they are not worth fighting for.

    “Naturally, to stand apart from the mob is to invite its attentions. Yet above principles exists something better, namely the virtues that actually consist of American greatness. Wouldn’t it be nice if we fostered those values again rather than wallow in the muck of the mob?”

    I think that it is a good and fair article.  I encourage my fellow Ricochetti to read it.  https://thebulwark.com/the-age-of-trumpshevism/

     

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  17. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The DNC hack? I have never heard that they proved this in any way. It was a simple phishing scam.

    They did not prove it. That is what the DNC said. Has not been independently verified.

    True. The DNC wouldn’t let anyone handle their servers, and quoted one of their own hired contractors to say “They told me to tell you the Russians did it.”

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  18. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Instead of analyzing elections, I think it’s better to understand how we got Trump. 

    There’s a reason that subject is avoided on the left and the right. Because it looks bad for both parties.

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    “Politics is no longer about ideas, but rather about polemics and personality contests.

    That’s because it works. It took me a long time to accept that. Follow @shabbosgoy. Smartest guy in Minnesota. 

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    “Naturally, to stand apart from the mob is to invite its attentions. Yet above principles exists something better, namely the virtues that actually consist of American greatness. Wouldn’t it be nice if we fostered those values again rather than wallow in the muck of the mob?”

    The problem is the media is against us and the whole government is basically just a vehicle to steal from each other as long as the bond market holds out. You can’t fight or manage this dynamic with idealism.

    I swear to god if the GOP just would’ve overhauled the Health insurance system that would’ve been enough. But no.

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump’s losses were perfectly normal for the House. They were comparable to [Reagan’s]

    His results were better.

    The 1982 United States House of Representatives elections was an election in the middle of President Ronald Reagan’s first term:
    269 D / 166 R

    2018 :
    235 D / 199 R

    In his first midterm election, Trump’s party House seats were 20% greater than Reagan’s.
    And, his party added 2 Senate seats while Reagan’s did not.

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump’s losses were perfectly normal for the House. They were comparable to [Reagan’s]

    His results were better.

    The 1982 United States House of Representatives elections was an election in the middle of President Ronald Reagan’s first term:
    269 D / 166 R

    2018 :
    235 D / 199 R

    In his first midterm election, Trump’s party House seats were 20% greater than Reagan’s.
    And, his party added 2 Senate seats while Reagan’s did not.

    In 2018 we lost the National House vote by 8.6%, after winning it by 1.3% in 2016.  That is an incredible 9.7% swing.

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  22. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I think we have to put Hillary’s betrayal in its full context (sorry for going OT). She was Secretary of State! She never once used her secure government account. All her communications — every last one — went through her unsecured private server. I am as sure as I am of anything that she exposed American secrets to hostile foreign governments’ (plural) intelligence gathering operations. And she knew it all along.

    It is possible, if not likely, American assets were damaged, if not destroyed, by her actions. By which I mean, she probably got Americans killed — without remorse and as Secretary of State.

    I can think of no other better example of the two-tiered justice system than Hillary walking around a free woman. There are the rules for powerful Democrats, and then there are the rules for the rest of us. This will not end well, and is a much greater threat to our republic than whatever threat Gary thinks Trump is to Reaganism.

    I agree with everything you say. It’s just that the principle of peaceful transitions of power and avoiding never ending dualing investigations of political opponents is a big principle. Is it big enough of a principle to just move on after the election satisfied that HRC is out of power and likely will never regain it? That would have been ok with me (and I think Trump too based on some of his post-election overtures). Except that HRC, the Dems, and the press couldn’t move on – they pressed it and pressed it. At a certain point there’s no response except to lock the door and hash it out, but that is a last resort IMO.

    Agreed. I think Democrats are driving us toward that cliff with their foolish bluff calling for total transparency on the Mueller finding. When Trump starts releasing all this information (incredibly damaging to the FBI, DOJ, DNC, congressional Democrats…), there will be nothing left but to start the prosecutions. Of course, there’s a chance Trump will hold enough back that they’ll be able keep up their false narrative about Trump obstructing justice, but I wouldn’t take that bet against him in a million years. Idiots.

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  23. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The Conservative Movement and the Republican Party are so much more than Trump. We need to return to first principles.

    What “first principles” guide you to donate to Democrat candidates and the Democratic Party?

     

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    In 2018 we lost the National House vote by 8.6%, after winning it by 1.3% in 2016. That is an incredible 9.7% swing.

    That doesn’t matter. 199 seats is better for the party than 166.
    Do the math yourself : 199 R in 2018 is 20% greater than 166 R in 1982.
    Plus, a gain of 2 Senate seats. Trump’s party had better results.

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  25. Ed G. Member
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    @EdG

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    toggle (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump’s losses were perfectly normal for the House. They were comparable to [Reagan’s]

    His results were better.

    The 1982 United States House of Representatives elections was an election in the middle of President Ronald Reagan’s first term:
    269 D / 166 R

    2018 :
    235 D / 199 R

    In his first midterm election, Trump’s party House seats were 20% greater than Reagan’s.
    And, his party added 2 Senate seats while Reagan’s did not.

    In 2018 we lost the National House vote by 8.6%, after winning it by 1.3% in 2016. That is an incredible 9.7% swing.

    There is no such thing as a National House Vote even if you capitalize it. 

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  26. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    toggle (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump’s losses were perfectly normal for the House. They were comparable to [Reagan’s]

    His results were better.

    The 1982 United States House of Representatives elections was an election in the middle of President Ronald Reagan’s first term:
    269 D / 166 R

    2018 :
    235 D / 199 R

    In his first midterm election, Trump’s party House seats were 20% greater than Reagan’s.
    And, his party added 2 Senate seats while Reagan’s did not.

    In 2018 we lost the National House vote by 8.6%, after winning it by 1.3% in 2016. That is an incredible 9.7% swing.

    For someone who spent so much time in the numbers on Trump winning because that is just how it works since WWII, namely that the other party wins after 8 years, you are way too fast to ignore the data. 

    Basically, Gary, when it suits you (Trump only won because any Republican would have won based on the past) you buy into the trend, but, when it does not (the Party in power loses seats in the off year election), well that is 100% Trump’s fault. 

     

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  27. Ed G. Member
    Ed G.
    @EdG

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I think we have to put Hillary’s betrayal in its full context (sorry for going OT). She was Secretary of State! She never once used her secure government account. All her communications — every last one — went through her unsecured private server. I am as sure as I am of anything that she exposed American secrets to hostile foreign governments’ (plural) intelligence gathering operations. And she knew it all along.

    It is possible, if not likely, American assets were damaged, if not destroyed, by her actions. By which I mean, she probably got Americans killed — without remorse and as Secretary of State.

    I can think of no other better example of the two-tiered justice system than Hillary walking around a free woman. There are the rules for powerful Democrats, and then there are the rules for the rest of us. This will not end well, and is a much greater threat to our republic than whatever threat Gary thinks Trump is to Reaganism.

    I agree with everything you say. It’s just that the principle of peaceful transitions of power and avoiding never ending dualing investigations of political opponents is a big principle. Is it big enough of a principle to just move on after the election satisfied that HRC is out of power and likely will never regain it? That would have been ok with me (and I think Trump too based on some of his post-election overtures). Except that HRC, the Dems, and the press couldn’t move on – they pressed it and pressed it. At a certain point there’s no response except to lock the door and hash it out, but that is a last resort IMO.

    Agreed. I think Democrats are driving us toward that cliff with their foolish bluff calling for total transparency on the Mueller finding. When Trump starts releasing all this information (incredibly damaging to the FBI, DOJ, DNC, congressional Democrats…), there will be nothing left but to start the prosecutions. Of course, there’s a chance Trump will hold enough back that they’ll be able keep up their false narrative about Trump obstructing justice, but I wouldn’t take that bet against him in a million years. Idiots.

    Yes, I was beginning to wonder myself but whenever anyone asked why Trump didn’t simply declassify everything and release it, my thought was that he was trying to do everything to not obstruct or even appear to be obstructing. More speculative, I also think that he was shocked that they were pressing so hard on it; in that case, let them keep digging the whole and hold off on pushing them into the hole until the maximum number runs up to the edge.

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  28. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    I can never get anybody interested in this stuff but this is a great article about how the Fed created populism. The author doesn’t say it but I’d say it created the new interest in socialism as well.

    The whole system is set up to grow government and for cronyism and graft. Now people want in on the action. Too much centralization and centralize power. The GOP never did anything about it.

    At the same time, cheap capital has created a wave of populism which will eventually prove de-stabilizing if allowed to continue. How can you blame people who cannot afford to own their homes because ratios of housing prices to incomes are multiple standard deviations above historical levels (low interest rates lead to elevated property prices)? Or afford retirement because any low-risk option has no yield? Or sustain the family restaurant business; as there are now 27 competing burrito-bowl chains on their block, all funded by $20 million Series B rounds and focused on increasing comp sales by giving away the product at half of cost along with a free beer?

    Big government and central planning begets more big government and central planning until it all collapses.

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  29. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Henry, it’s your call, but I don’t think that giving the Bulwark folks greater exposure and publicity is a good tactic for dealing with them. As I suggested when they opened, everyone writing for the Bulwark should be ostracized and ignored.

    This is my take as well. Every time I see Yet Another Thread about the Bulwank, or Yet Another Link to a Bulwank article, I think that all we’ve done is given them free press.

    Th

    I think that you are being unfair to this article. Here are its closing paragraphs:

    “Politics is no longer about ideas, but rather about polemics and personality contests. People say horrible things to one another over the most mediocre of difference on social media, whether on principle or ‘for the lulz.’ One can argue whether Trump himself is the cause of this plague or mere symptom. But there is no doubt he is the face of it.

    “The idea of warfare as an extension of politics may be as old as Clausewitz, but the converse—where politics is an extension of warfare—is a dangerous one indeed. If we actually prize moderation and ideas in the public square, and if that elusive word—decency—is ever to return to our lexicon, it might be worthwhile to recognize that our principles are worth arguing for, and might even be worth defending, but they are not worth fighting for.

    “Naturally, to stand apart from the mob is to invite its attentions. Yet above principles exists something better, namely the virtues that actually consist of American greatness. Wouldn’t it be nice if we fostered those values again rather than wallow in the muck of the mob?”

    I think that it is a good and fair article. I encourage my fellow Ricochetti to read it. https://thebulwark.com/the-age-of-trumpshevism/

     

    Look he either compared people like me to Bulsheviks and cult members or he didn’t. He rudely taunted people who disagree with him on immigration or he didn’t. (He did these were direct quotes)

    It is great that you feel the end saved the piece. That just proves my point that the piece could have been written like an adult with out pointless name calling. 

    If this stupid name calling is something you feel is appropriate to defend, good on you. 

    Thanks for approving of this language and behavior toward people like me

     

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  30. JosePluma Coolidge
    JosePluma
    @JosePluma

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    “It’s not a theory but a matter of historical record that Vladimir Putin’s Russia hacked American emails and used them help elect Trump to the presidency in an attempt to sow discord in the United States during the election and succeeded with the help of the anti-Trump media.

    FIFY

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    “while [the Mueller] report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

    Since it is impossible to prove a negative, how is that not exoneration?

    There is a huge difference in being found “not guilty” and innocent.

    There is also a huge difference between being found not guilty and not even being charged, as you should know.

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