The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same

 

There is a guy named Andrew Yang who is running for president and opposes circumcision. He’s in infamous company since it was Hitler who said: “The Jews have inflicted two wounds on mankind — circumcision on its body and conscience on its soul.”

In the days ahead, you will hear that “just because you oppose circumcision does not mean you hate Jews” as you have heard “just because you oppose Israel does not mean you hate Jews.” Both statements are true if you believe in unicorns.

Yet circumcision could be a civilizing practice, for Hitler also said: “It is true we (Nazis) are barbarians. It is an honorable title.” Leftists are almost there. The behavior of Antifa goons is barbaric and the longings of certain elected officials are barbaric, too.

You might think that people would want to emulate Jews based on their staggering achievements down through history until the phenomenal success of Israel today. But the virus of Jew hatred runs deep.

Today we celebrate Purim and our victory over Haman, who wanted to destroy the Jewish people. The mullahs in Iran today have the same ambition.

And now we suddenly have to contend with members of Congress and a presidential candidate with Haman/Hitler-like pronouncements.

(To be clear, parents have every right not to circumcise their sons. It’s the Andrew Yangs who want to prohibit circumcision for everyone who are the problem.)

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  1. Yehoshua Ben-Eliyahu Inactive
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    When I was taking courses to become a marriage and family counselor in California, we were required to take an all-day seminar on child abuse.  The instructor, who had been teaching the seminar for many years, equated circumcision with clitorectomy (performed on Muslim baby girls).  I protested this comparison to the instructor and my challenge was met with silence. The next day I went to a senior staff member who was Jewish and complained about this part of the curriculum.  Subsequently, circumcision was no longer taught as child abuse.  This happened ten years ago but I wonder if today the result of such a protest would be the same.  And I wonder if child abuse seminars regularly equate circumcision with clitorectomy. If you go to online discussions of Andrew Yang and his opposition to circumcision, you will find a mob of people who share his view.

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  2. EJHill Podcaster
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    Clifford A. Brown: I’m always worried about second-hand reporting of official claims, but here, in fact, is the CDC’s position…

    And, in fact, your link is two years older than mine. Here’s one from 2018.

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  3. MarciN Member
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    Yehoshua Ben-Eliyahu (View Comment):

    When I was taking courses to become a marriage and family counselor in California, we were required to take an all-day seminar on child abuse. The instructor, who had been teaching the seminar for many years, equated circumcision with clitorectomy (performed on Muslim baby girls). I protested this comparison to the instructor and my challenge was met with silence. The next day I went to a senior staff member who was Jewish and complained about this part of the curriculum. Subsequently, circumcision was no longer taught as child abuse. This happened ten years ago but I wonder if today the result of such a protest would be the same. And I wonder if child abuse seminars regularly equate circumcision with clitorectomy. If you go to online discussions of Andrew Yang and his opposition to circumcision, you will find a mob of people who share his view.

    That is appalling. Such ignorance out there. Wow. 

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  4. Valiuth Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    The CDC is silent on Jews but endorses circumcision.

    Oh @ejhill, you beautiful naive man. If the Jews can control the weather you think they can’t  control the CDC? 

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  5. EJHill Podcaster
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    Valiuth: Oh @ejhill, you beautiful naive man. If the Jews can control the weather you think they can’t control the CDC?

    Me? The first rule of Hebrew Club is that you don’t talk about Hebrew Club…

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  6. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Yehoshua Ben-Eliyahu: (To be clear, parents have every right not to circumcise their sons. It’s the Andrew Yangs who want to prohibit circumcision for everyone who are the problem.)

    He’s a typical liberal. Anything not mandatory is prohibited. 

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  7. Stad Coolidge
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):
    And, it doesn’t take much fiddling for the little guy to get a hard on.

    It sucks being 63 . . .

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  8. Stad Coolidge
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    If I get a new foreskin sewn on, does that make me “transcircumsized”?

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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    The CDC is silent on Jews but endorses circumcision.

    Oh @ejhill, you beautiful naive man. If the Jews can control the weather you think they can’t control the CDC?

    It’s worse than you imagine. The Jews are using their control of the weather to control the CDC.

    Wheels within wheels, baby. Wheels within wheels.

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  10. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Wait, there’s a guy named Andrew Yang running for President?  Of what?

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  11. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Qoumidan (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):
    Of course, now that I’m a working nurse, I believe that all males should be circumcised, but that’s another story.

    I decided to ask my Sister The Nurse, and her answer was both more boring and much worse than I thought.

    Do tell.  

    Not the boring part, just the worse part. 

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  12. Suspira Member
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    Don’t Muslims practice circumcision? So Yang is an Islamophobe.

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  13. Kay of MT Inactive
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    Don’t Muslims practice circumcision? So Yang is an Islamophobe.

    They do, but usually between 7 and 10 years old. In some areas it is not as prevalent.

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  14. Suspira Member
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    Don’t Muslims practice circumcision? So Yang is an Islamophobe.

    They do, but usually between 7 and 10 years old. In some areas it is not as prevalent.

    Yikes. That seems much worse.

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  15. Qoumidan Coolidge
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    JosePluma (View Comment):

    Qoumidan (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):
    Of course, now that I’m a working nurse, I believe that all males should be circumcised, but that’s another story.

    I decided to ask my Sister The Nurse, and her answer was both more boring and much worse than I thought.

    Do tell.

    Not the boring part, just the worse part.

    Old guys that don’t clean themselves properly.  It really is both.

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  16. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Qoumidan (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    Qoumidan (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):
    Of course, now that I’m a working nurse, I believe that all males should be circumcised, but that’s another story.

    I decided to ask my Sister The Nurse, and her answer was both more boring and much worse than I thought.

    Do tell.

    Not the boring part, just the worse part.

    Old guys that don’t clean themselves properly. It really is both.

    Yup 

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  17. aardo vozz Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    I have no skin in this controversy.

    Well, not anymore…

    That’s ok, @percival.  To me you’ll always be a cut above the rest….

    😛😛😛

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  18. Podkayne of Israel Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    My OB/GYN project for my nursing program was circumcisions. I read scientific studies and did literature reviews, interviewed doctors who performed the circumcisions, and observed the procedures. The anti-circumcision literature reminded me a lot of anti-vax propaganda: A lot of emotional, overwrought hyperbole with little evidence other than cherry-picked, isolated studies. Although I thought most of these people were loons, I didn’t see any obvious anti-Jewish bias. Of course, I also didn’t do a deep dive into the subject in a three-hour undergraduate course. Based on the tone of the literature, I would guess that there is a large intersection of the Venn diagrams among anti-circumcision advocates, anti-vax nutcases, and BLS supporters. Still, I saw no overt antisemitism.

    Even with the poor arguments of anti-circumcision crowd, I came to the conclusion that it was a wash. Based just on health outcomes, circumcision prevents penile cancer and reduces susceptibility to venereal disease. Even so, severe complications from the procedure are about as likely as cancer, and proper hygiene can also mitigate VD exposure.

    Of course, now that I’m a working nurse, I believe that all males should be circumcised, but that’s another story.

    I have no issue with nurses or doctors (or religious for that matter) giving their opinion on circumcision. It’s when lawmakers do it… Why is Yang even talking about it (if he doesn’t want to ban it?).

    Right you are. In my experience, those who have the most paranoid opinions about circumcision (or vaccination, for that matter, even though they aren’t the same kind of issue) rarely have any scope of the kind of risks or discomforts that almost all of us will experience in a normal life.

    At a Jewish ritual circumcision, women are usually nudged out of viewing range before the cutting, not sure why. As a ped surg nurse, after years of seeing all kinds of alarming things, I was supposed to be in charge of emergency backup for a religious circ that was done on a baby who had spent most of his life up until then in hospital with us for other things. This was the first traditional “non-medical” circ I had ever seen up close. Not only did everything go smoothly, I was surprised that this was what I’d been kept from watching for so many years. Not a big deal at all, folks. 

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  19. Podkayne of Israel Inactive
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    I remember reading something by a man who had a circ done for health reasons he would not discuss. He in retrospect, he thought that it would have been simpler, less complicated, and more easily gotten over had his parents had it done when he was a baby, but that he believed the decision was best left to the parents.

    He also said it was pretty mortifying to be referred to as “the penis in room 9”.

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  20. Podkayne of Israel Inactive
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    Qoumidan (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):
    Of course, now that I’m a working nurse, I believe that all males should be circumcised, but that’s another story.

    I decided to ask my Sister The Nurse, and her answer was both more boring and much worse than I thought.

    Most things generally are. I am convinced that most of our salaries are tacit hush money.

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  21. Stad Coolidge
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    If Yang is elected and bans circumcision, I wonder if we can get around his ban by 3-D printing a home circumcism kit?

    If Yang is so against circumcison, he must also be against FGM.  I’d like to see a reporter ask him the question after he speaks to a group of Muslims seeking their support . . .

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  22. Percival Thatcher
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    Podkayne of Israel (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    My OB/GYN project for my nursing program was circumcisions. I read scientific studies and did literature reviews, interviewed doctors who performed the circumcisions, and observed the procedures. The anti-circumcision literature reminded me a lot of anti-vax propaganda: A lot of emotional, overwrought hyperbole with little evidence other than cherry-picked, isolated studies. Although I thought most of these people were loons, I didn’t see any obvious anti-Jewish bias. Of course, I also didn’t do a deep dive into the subject in a three-hour undergraduate course. Based on the tone of the literature, I would guess that there is a large intersection of the Venn diagrams among anti-circumcision advocates, anti-vax nutcases, and BLS supporters. Still, I saw no overt antisemitism.

    Even with the poor arguments of anti-circumcision crowd, I came to the conclusion that it was a wash. Based just on health outcomes, circumcision prevents penile cancer and reduces susceptibility to venereal disease. Even so, severe complications from the procedure are about as likely as cancer, and proper hygiene can also mitigate VD exposure.

    Of course, now that I’m a working nurse, I believe that all males should be circumcised, but that’s another story.

    I have no issue with nurses or doctors (or religious for that matter) giving their opinion on circumcision. It’s when lawmakers do it… Why is Yang even talking about it (if he doesn’t want to ban it?).

    Right you are. In my experience, those who have the most paranoid opinions about circumcision (or vaccination, for that matter, even though they aren’t the same kind of issue) rarely have any scope of the kind of risks or discomforts that almost all of us will experience in a normal life.

    At a Jewish ritual circumcision, women are usually nudged out of viewing range before the cutting, not sure why. As a ped surg nurse, after years of seeing all kinds of alarming things, I was supposed to be in charge of emergency backup for a religious circ that was done on a baby who had spent most of his life up until then in hospital with us for other things. This was the first traditional “non-medical” circ I had ever seen up close. Not only did everything go smoothly, I was surprised that this was what I’d been kept from watching for so many years. Not a big deal at all, folks.

    A family member had her son undergo a bris despite being as Lutheran as a cruller and black coffee after Holy Service. (She has been known to veer off into crystal-rubbing, tree-hugging and such, but a strategic snicker or two usually brings her back to the mean.) Unfortunately, there were complications, as there can be with any surgical procedure no matter how expertly executed, and the poor little guy did a little extra hospital time as a result. He grew up to be perfectly okay, though. He even helps to throw in a snicker or two.

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  23. Percival Thatcher
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    Podkayne of Israel (View Comment):

    I remember reading something by a man who had a circ done for health reasons he would not discuss. He in retrospect, he thought that it would have been simpler, less complicated, and more easily gotten over had his parents had it done when he was a baby, but that he believed the decision was best left to the parents.

    He also said it was pretty mortifying to be referred to as “the penis in room 9”.

    Are you kidding? I would have had a tee shirt made.

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  24. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Podkayne of Israel (View Comment):

    I remember reading something by a man who had a circ done for health reasons he would not discuss. He in retrospect, he thought that it would have been simpler, less complicated, and more easily gotten over had his parents had it done when he was a baby, but that he believed the decision was best left to the parents.

    He also said it was pretty mortifying to be referred to as “the penis in room 9”.

    Yeah, we have a tendency to do that.

    • #84
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