Conservatism: An Abstract Philosophy or a Mode of Governance?

 

There is no question that the rise of Donald Trump has created a schism on the right. I’ve certainly had my run-ins with folks here on Ricochet, most notably @garyrobbins and @georgetownsend. While I vehemently disagree with these gentlemen on a lot of things, arguing with them has had its benefits, namely that they have pushed me to constantly refine, redefine and clarify my beliefs.

In a recent lengthy back-and-forth they provided me with this question on the state of things in the post-Reagan era: Is Conservatism just an abstract utopian philosophy, the inverse of theoretical Communism, or is it an actual and practical mode of governing?

If it is an abstraction, this explains the Progressive Lite ways of the national GOP. They can give lip service to the ideal (especially when raising funds and campaigning) while still governing in opposition to those ideals simply because they are impractical.

Many here, including the aforementioned gentlemen, insist that Conservatism is indistinguishable, even 30 years after the fact, from Reaganism. Is it? Or has that been abandoned?

I have constantly issued the call to examine whether American conservatives are indeed committed to fulfilling Reagan’s dream. To this end, I spent time rereading President Reagan’s re-election platform. As in all political manifestos there are a lot of vague “we encourage this” and “we urge that” and a lot of “we embrace the idea of” platitudes that are not easily translated into specific political action. I have identified a list of 32 concrete actions that the Reagan Administration told Americans they wanted to accomplish in regards to domestic policy in a second term. (By all means, please read the document and see what I may have missed.)

The third item on this list, the line-item veto, was accomplished yet struck down by the Supreme Court. It was asserted by the Court that it would be permissible if pursued through the amendment process.

Are these still goals of Conservatives or are they obsolete? And if they are obsolete what does it mean to call oneself a Reaganite in the 21st Century?

I fear that Conservatism has become nothing more than catchphrases, things said religiously by rote instead of through critical thinking. What does it mean to say “Government shouldn’t pick winners and losers” without acknowledging that even policies advocated by Conservatives do just that? And how do you change things so that it no longer happens?

What does it mean to say, “Never blame your troubles on someone else?” Does that suppose that all government action, whether from the left or right, is benign? (I’d say that’s just demonstrably wrong.) And isn’t pointing to specific policy far different than the Left’s ethereal bogeymen of racism, sexism, ageism, and a plethora of “phobias?”

If Conservatism is no longer a mode of governance but merely a theory, something that can only be accomplished in an ideal world then we need to re-exam it and ourselves, especially if the governing class is playing a giant game of bait-and-switch with the electorate. If we are to go forward Conservatism can’t be a mile wide and an inch deep.

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  1. Percival Thatcher
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Can it be a philosophy and a mode of governance at the same time?

    Could it be an abstract philosophy that’s not utopian?

    Could it be a practical philosophy?

    Can a philosophy be both abstract and practical?

    The application should be practical, or at least mostly so. Otherwise it’s just navel gazing.

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  2. Stina Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Can it be a philosophy and a mode of governance at the same time?

    Could it be an abstract philosophy that’s not utopian?

    Could it be a practical philosophy?

    Can a philosophy be both abstract and practical?

    Mathematics is a philosophy with practical application. For the most part, I was better with theory than application.

    Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Does an engineer need to be able to solve proofs for you to be convinced he knows mathematics or can the practical application stand its own?

    Is there room in conservatism for practical applicators (like… Trump?) And philosophers? Can they co-exist without being all that good at the other’s job?

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  3. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    It’s becoming clear to me that educating people will be complicated. Much of the public probably holds conservative values (in theory), but they like free stuff and everything that goes with it. They’ll just silo both sets of ideas and voila! No conflict. It isn’t that they aren’t smart enough to understand the cognitive dissonance. They just don’t want to hear it. La-la-la-la!

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  4. Spin Inactive
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    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    And yet the entire NeverTrump movement, including Gary and George, haven’t refined or clarified their beliefs at all. “Orange Man Bad” means the same vague moral preening, virtue signaling, substance-lacking complaint it has always meant.

    This is puerile nonsense.  Both of them have written extensively about why they hold their views.  Just because you disagree with what they’ve written, doesn’t mean they haven’t refined or clarified their beliefs.  You are guilty of what you accuse them of:  “Criticizer of Orange Man Bad“.

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  5. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    Ironically, Trump’s presidency will pass with barely a ripple in law and bureaucracy, but leave this furor over what might have been.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Be sure to vote. Don’t ever miss a vote. 

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  7. EJHill Podcaster
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    I see 21st Century Conservatism as an impractical proposition at best and a deceitful one at worst. If you’re articulating a philosophy of government but have no practical method for implementing it, even when you’re in the governing majority, then you’re pretty much the definition of a utopian idealist. However, if you’re articulating a philosophy of government and have no intention whatsoever of implementing it then you’re running a con game. I have come to believe that a significant portion of the electorate is convinced of the latter, which to turn a completely unoriginal phrase, “that’s how you got Trump.”

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    WHAT?

    Conservatives, by contrast, are not serious. They have no animating spirit. They don’t much talk about liberty or property or markets or opportunity. They don’t mean what they say about the Constitution, they won’t do a thing to limit government, they won’t touch entitlements or defense spending, they won’t abolish the Department of Education or a single federal agency, they won’t touch abortion laws, and they sure won’t give up their own socialist impulses. Trumpism, though not conservative and thoroughly non-intellectual, drove a final stake through the barely beating heart of Right intellectualism, from the Weekly Standard to National Review. Conservatism today is incoherent, both ideologically and tactically incapable of countering the rising tide of socialism.

     

     

    This week Jeff takes a hard look at socialism and why it seems to gain greater support in the US and across the West. Do people really understand socialism as Mises did, and do they really want collective ownership of industry? Or do they just want what he termed “pseudo-socialist” economic systems that redistribute wealth? What motivates socialists? And how do they reconcile their moralizing self-regard with the doctrine that socialism is inevitable and inexorable?

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    DON’T READ THIS

    So my thesis is that democracy, while probably the best political system relative to the alternatives, despite it being the best of the available alternatives, it does create problems in the financial markets, it does distort the ability of the financial markets to do social good, and so a lot of the problems that we have are because of the fact that the markets are operating in a democracy.

     

    The Austrian view is that the main class division is between those who on net pay more taxes than they receive in services from the government – this group would be the taxpayers – and the tax consumers are those who on net receive more from the government than they pay. In terms of what a tax consumer can receive, this can range to anything from unemployment insurance payments, social assistance payments, favors provided by the government in terms of inhibiting competitors in your industry. The argument is that in a democracy, if a politician wants to get elected, the name of the game is to get 50%+1. Given that the distribution of the income in modern commercial societies tends to be such that there’s a few rich and wealth tend to be a small segment of the population, and the middle class and lower classes tend to be the majority, the best way to get elected is to offer mostly the middle class all sorts of public goods in terms of social programs and so forth, and then have those financed by the well-to-do who would function as the taxpaying class. That way you get your majority and get elected.

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    I argue in the book that we now have a kind of financial market-government complex, or a bond market-government complex. The bond market has emerged as a kind of handmaiden to the welfare state, this growth of government. At a certain point, even the bond market will say ‘we can’t lend more’ and at that point politicians will appeal to the money press and they will enlist the central bank to print money, essentially, though it’s more complex how liquidity is injected into the economy, but that’s basically what happens. So essentially democracy leads to fiscal profligacy, too much spent relative to the revenues politicians are willing to collect from people. They then have to go to the bond market; public debt rises. And then to increase their options of financing this deficit that is inherent to democracy, they require control over the monetary supply. My argument in the book is that the gold standard, which existed for a good part of the 20th century in one form in another, which ultimately ended in the early 1970s – August 1971 if you want to get exact – that was in a way written in the DNA of democracy; that democracy ultimately is intentioned with a monetary constraint like the gold standard. That’s one of the ways I make this argument that democracies do damage to the financial markets.

    CRAZY AUSTRIANS ARE AGAINST PROGRESS! 

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Conservatism and libertarianism can’t get any traction under a discretionary central bank regime. It’s impossible. 

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    It strikes me that the core sentiment of American conservatism is that we should not use the vehicle of government to coerce our fellow citizens into conferring some advantage upon ourselves. But of course this sentiment runs contrary to our self-interest and indeed human nature, and is especially difficult to enforce in a system that uses secret, anonymous voting.

    So nobody will ever be a “true conservative” because everyone will place their own self-interest above that of their fellow citizens at the ballot box at some point. In other words, we’re all sinners, and the question of whether conservative rule is still possible is like asking why nobody today can act as holy as Jesus did.

    Unfortunately, it’s also left us in a world in which all we do is accuse each other of being insufficiently conservative. It’s like an adulterer and a thief together in the confession booth each trying to convince the priest that the other is the worse sinner.

    Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™

    Stealing from your fellow citizen with government is the only logical course of action.

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  13. Stina Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    It’s becoming clear to me that educating people will be complicated. Much of the public probably holds conservative values (in theory), but they like free stuff and everything that goes with it. They’ll just silo both sets of ideas and voila! No conflict. It isn’t that they aren’t smart enough to understand the cognitive dissonance. They just don’t want to hear it. La-la-la-la!

    People prefer conservatism in high trust societies. Basically, if you can trust people to make the ethical choice (and you both agree its ethical) the vast majority of the time, then you aren’t pushing government to do it for you.

    But multi-culturalism breeds distrust. You don’t have the same cultural ethics (they are diverse!) And people become atomized.

    Cities have always been diverse as they are typically trade centers. They are cosmopolitan. They have also leaned leftward with more social distrust.

    When people describe where I live, it’s small town feel with all the accoutrements of city living. It feels like a trusting society where I am.

    There are policies that can promote social trust – like limited immigration, securing our borders, and being excessively picky about who immigrates – meaning they share our collected values and ethics. But that ship sailed so long ago that we can’t even agree that “western civilization” refers to euro-centric civilization. We won’t get back there without significant pain.

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Jim Beck (View Comment):
    So what does a conservative leader do about social security or Medicare, which retiree will stop accepting his social security checks after nine or less years when all of the money he put in has been paid out? So the first thing a conservative leader when discussing social security must do is to change the thinking of our fellow citizens, so that they refuse to spend their children’s money on themselves.

    #SoylentGreen 

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    It’s becoming clear to me that educating people will be complicated. Much of the public probably holds conservative values (in theory), but they like free stuff and everything that goes with it. They’ll just silo both sets of ideas and voila! No conflict. It isn’t that they aren’t smart enough to understand the cognitive dissonance. They just don’t want to hear it. La-la-la-la!

    People prefer conservatism in high trust societies. Basically, if you can trust people to make the ethical choice (and you both agree its ethical) the vast majority of the time, then you aren’t pushing government to do it for you.

    But multi-culturalism breeds distrust. You don’t have the same cultural ethics (they are diverse!) And people become atomized.

    Cities have always been diverse as they are typically trade centers. They are cosmopolitan. They have also leaned leftward with more social distrust.

    When people describe where I live, it’s small town feel with all the accoutrements of city living. It feels like a trusting society where I am.

    There are policies that can promote social trust – like limited immigration, securing our borders, and being excessively picky about who immigrates – meaning they share our collected values and ethics. But that ship sailed so long ago that we can’t even agree that “western civilization” refers to euro-centric civilization. We won’t get back there without significant pain.

    One million “likes”. What we need is a more libertarian economy and government and only then let in all kinds of people. That’s how you bill out social security and Medicare and fix  the debt to GDP.

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    It strikes me that the core sentiment of American conservatism is that we should not use the vehicle of government to coerce our fellow citizens into conferring some advantage upon ourselves. But of course this sentiment runs contrary to our self-interest and indeed human nature, and is especially difficult to enforce in a system that uses secret, anonymous voting.

    So nobody will ever be a “true conservative” because everyone will place their own self-interest above that of their fellow citizens at the ballot box at some point. In other words, we’re all sinners, and the question of whether conservative rule is still possible is like asking why nobody today can act as holy as Jesus did.

    Unfortunately, it’s also left us in a world in which all we do is accuse each other of being insufficiently conservative. It’s like an adulterer and a thief together in the confession booth each trying to convince the priest that the other is the worse sinner.

    How can you argue with any of this? You can’t. Seriously, everyone is better off figuring out how to save themselves under this system. 

    #WeAreDoomed

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    One’s framing of pragmatism is measured by one’s expectations. Many divisions on Ricochet are due to wildly different estimates of what is politically possible. Other divisions are caused by different expectations regarding what the President will or will not do. Then there are considerations of what alternatives are available.

    Fewer divisions regard core beliefs. Trump fans, Trump haters, and everyone between here on Ricochet want limited, local government… or at least something closer to it than the status quo.

    Mona, Weekly Standard  et. al. want a centralized, “conservative” style of government run by “experts” that  has proven it’s self unworkable and regressive. That is the other option. 

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    10 whole minutes. 

    On this week’s episode, we feature a past talk given by Hans-Hermann Hoppe highlighting some of the key points he makes in his book Democracy: The God That Failed. The subject seems particularly topical as American elites have become increasingly comfortable dropping the façade of democracy, with the Washington establishment becoming increasingly transparent in their intentions to undercut the success of populist campaigns, such as Donald Trump’s.

    Hoppe’s lecture not only shows how democratic elections often lead to bad results, but illustrates how political democracy is often incompatible with human liberty. True democracy is instead found in the marketplace, with voluntary actors free of the threat of government force.

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  19. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Mona, Weekly Standard et. al. want a centralized, “conservative” style of government run by “experts” that has proven it’s self unworkable and regressive. That is the other option.

    Like Paul Ryan, I think they believe repeals must be approached gradually, both because only that is politically feasible (they argue) and because voters like their entitlements. That’s a slow pursuit of limited government based on pessimistic expectations of wills and abilities. But it is a desire for Constitutional limits, nevertheless.

    It’s also debatably a Burkean approach. Edmund Burke has long been regarded a father of conservatism. But he represents British conservatism more than American conservatism. Both believe in social contracts with past and future generations. But America was born as a frontier society with extreme preferences for local government and individual liberty. Burke was more interested in conservation of the status quo and slow, skeptical changes.

    Traditional conservatism, like the Constitution, is a recipe for preservation of liberty — not retrieval of liberty. Repealing a century or more of governmental excess and corruption arguably requires different strategies.

    You are right that the same group seems always interested in producing further laws and bureaucracies, leaving more excess to repeal. But the main divisions in recent years regard manners more than policies.

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  20. Franco Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    And yet the entire NeverTrump movement, including Gary and George, haven’t refined or clarified their beliefs at all. “Orange Man Bad” means the same vague moral preening, virtue signaling, substance-lacking complaint it has always meant.

    This is puerile nonsense. Both of them have written extensively about why they hold their views. Just because you disagree with what they’ve written, doesn’t mean they haven’t refined or clarified their beliefs. You are guilty of what you accuse them of: “Criticizer of Orange Man Bad“.

    That’s not my experience. I generally hear little more than platitudes, scolding and circular reasoning.

    And assertions by rote praising Reagan as if he’s been canonized by God himself. And I think this is another aspect of this debate. We’ve looked for the next Reagan. He doesn’t exist. People can’t even succeed in pretending to be him. Conservatives have been acting like a cargo-cult waiting for supplies from on high rather than planting and fishing while the villagers starve.

     

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™

    Stealing from your fellow citizen with government is the only logical course of action.

    Sounds like what Derb constantly repeated : “Get a government job !”

    Broward elections supervisor Brenda Snipes will walk away with almost $130,000 a year in pensions

    Almost $11,000 a month. That’s what Brenda Snipes will be receiving in pension benefits when she resigns in January as the Broward County Supervisor of Elections.

    The state pensions include $58,560 a year she’s already receiving from her earlier career as an educator, and she’ll be adding almost $71,000 a year for her time in elected office.

    FORT LAUDERDALE, FLA. (WSVN) – Former Broward Supervisor of Elections Dr. Brenda Snipes is claiming victory in her lawsuit against former Governor Rick Scott after a judge ruled in her favor.

    Snipes was able to officially resign after a judge in Tallahassee ruled in her favor.

    Scott suspended Snipes in November over “incompetence” and “neglect of duty.”

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Mona, Weekly Standard et. al. want a centralized, “conservative” style of government run by “experts” that has proven it’s self unworkable and regressive. That is the other option.

    Like Paul Ryan, I think they believe repeals must be approached gradually, both because only that is politically feasible (they argue) and because voters like their entitlements. That’s a slow pursuit of limited government based on pessimistic expectations of wills and abilities. But it is a desire for Constitutional limits, nevertheless.

    It’s also debatably a Burkean approach. Edmund Burke has long been regarded a father of conservstism. But he represents British conservatism more than American conservatism. Both believe in social contracts with past and future generations. But America was born as a frontier society with extreme preferences for local government and individual liberty. Burke was more interested in conservation of the status quo and slow, skeptical changes.

    Traditional conservatism, like the Constitution, is a recipe for preservation of liberty — not retrieval of liberty. Repealing a century or more of governmental excess and corruption arguably requires different strategies.

    You are right that the same group seems always interested in producing further laws and bureaucracies, leaving more excess to repeal. But the main divisions in recent years regard manners more than policies.

    They are minting socialists and populists, rather than trying to understand what is happening. 

    Were you shocked at the results of the 2016 American presidential election? Most people were, but Stephen Harper was not one of them. Here, the former Prime Minister of Canada explains the trends that foreshadowed Trump’s victory and left many political elites looking wildly out of touch.

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    People lose their jobs and have their wages pressured in the name of trade that improves purchasing power while the Fed and the government drive up the cost of critical things like housing, education, and health insurance. Why do we have to have 2% inflation in the face of robots and globalized labor??? It’s insane. 

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  24. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
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    Franco (View Comment):

    “There is no question that the rise of Donald Trump has created a schism on the right.”

    Or exposed it. Maybe even ripped the clothes off it and grabbed…

    SNIP

    When the Tea Party movement arose, the political class was threatened. They were being required to produce results, and these pols had settled into the easy life. The failure of that movement was a good indicator of how entrenched Republicans were going through the motions.

    Of course, they had the luxury of running against a much more dastardly group, so conservatives were held captive. As Democrats moved farther left , Republicans needed only to be sufficiently to their right, say the right things and keep their noses clean.

    In the meantime a whole cottage industry of internationalism grew within the GOP. With 12 years of Bush Presidents over-engagement in the Middle East and all the political attention focused on these issues, the conservative movement began to absorb internationalism as part of its identity. John McCain was the 2008 nominee.

    As the culture slipped into utter debauchery, conservatives craved leaders who would reflect their values, providing for their sensibilities at least some compensation, however token, against the horrific hedonism. Mitt Romney 2012 comes to mind.

    The religious right focused on issues like abortion and gay marriage, which while important, were political losers unfortunately. These were political hills that were untenable. It’s not that they didn’t deserve to be fought, but more needed to be done to bring in ordinary voters. So a ‘conservative’ politician just needed to check these boxes, mumble something about lower taxes and he’d get votes.

    Then there’s all the greed and corruption. Speaker Denny Hastert was almost certainly being blackmailed either actively or passively. Boehner is now shilling for weed, and who knows what Ryan will be doing in the next years. But all these men were moral ( well, sorta) and checked the right boxes.

    And Trump is not ‘conservative’ ??? M’kay….

    ###############################

    Carol Joy’s comments:

    I have always wondered if the original Tea Party members and their goals had been  co opted by the people in charge once they woke up to the power the Tea Party ideals presented. Those ideals provided a real change away from “business as usual.”

    I also have often wondered what would have happened if Ron Paul had actually gotten the Party’s nomination in 2012.  Many people I knew from my days as an election integrity activist felt that Paul had been stripped of his primary wins in several states.

    Ron Paul, like Aaron Russo before him, has not been fond of the IRS, has nothing but disdain for the Federal Reserve and might have been able to convince the pot loving side of the left wing away from voting for Obama in 2012. I am sure that Donald Trump learned from the lessons the People in Charge had meted out to Paul.

     

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  25. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Why do we have to have 2% inflation in the face of robots and globalized labor??? It’s insane.

    I assume inflation will increase every year no matter who is in charge. According to this graph, there has been only one year since 1950 that inflation didn’t increase. 

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  26. Flicker Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    I’m afraid I (and probably lots of others) have become cynical about our lawmakers and their ability to get anything done

    I don’t think it’s cynical, it’s experience and observation, and it’s not a lack of ability but a lack of will, determination, desire or even interest.

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  27. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Mendel (View Comment):
    So nobody will ever be a “true conservative” because everyone will place their own self-interest above that of their fellow citizens at the ballot box at some point.

    I don’t want to sound holier than thou, but please speak for yourself.  I try to vote for people who will do what I think is best for the country, not those who will do what is best for me.  And it can’t be all that uncommon;  someone wrote “What’s Wrong with Kansas” about people who vote for principle over self-interest.

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  28. LibertyDefender Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    And yet the entire NeverTrump movement, including Gary and George, haven’t refined or clarified their beliefs at all. “Orange Man Bad” means the same vague moral preening, virtue signaling, substance-lacking complaint it has always meant.

    This is puerile nonsense. Both of them have written extensively about why they hold their views. Just because you disagree with what they’ve written, doesn’t mean they haven’t refined or clarified their beliefs. You are guilty of what you accuse them of: “Criticizer of Orange Man Bad“.

    That’s not my experience. I generally hear little more than platitudes, scolding and circular reasoning.

    I’ve been through this countless times with NeverTrumpers, and it’s so tiresome.  Trump supporters, Trump well-wishers, Trump apologists, and Trump explainers alike list actions, accomplishments of Trump that demonstrate how Trump has governed more conservatively than any president since at least Calvin Coolidge.  NeverTrumpers respond with a dainty foot stomp and shriek “puerile nonsense,” or some other vague, unsupported conclusion.

    I used to enjoy Mona and Jay’s podcast.  But it’s been unbearable since at least inauguration day 2017.

    Regardless of the philosophical debate, we live in a practical world.  Trump has practiced conservatism better than nearly any president – not bad for a lifelong New York Democrat.  I admit it’s surprising.  I understand why self-described conservatives were so skeptical.  But NeverTrumpers need to face facts, not simply repeat virtue signaling platitudes and moral preening scolds.

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  29. Ed G. Member
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    I don’t think that conservatism is a philosophy. Rather, I think it’s acknowledgement that neither collectivism nor radical individualism are adequate to maintaining g a balance between competing truths and values not to mention the differences of opinion regarding what counts as good, justice, and purpose. Therfore, conservatism is more procedural than philosophical. We seek the best solutions to optimize the varying ideas that citizens have. So subsidiarity,  checks and balances, specific charters, faithful adherence to this processes.

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  30. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    One’s framing of pragmatism is measured by one’s expectations. Many divisions on Ricochet are due to wildly different estimates of what is politically possible. Other divisions are caused by different expectations regarding what the President will or will not do. Then there are considerations of what alternatives are available.

    Fewer divisions regard core beliefs. Trump fans, Trump haters, and everyone between here on Ricochet want limited, local government… or at least something closer to it than the status quo.

    Mona, Weekly Standard et. al. want a centralized, “conservative” style of government run by “experts” that has proven it’s self unworkable and regressive. That is the other option.

    Of course.  Otherwise, those ‘great swathes’ of racist Republicans will have representation and control over their lives, and we can’t have that. /sarcasm

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