Russian Collusion and Active Measures

 

I spent most of my 30 years in the FBI dealing with counterintelligence. I have been retired for 20 years and have no inside information. My comments are based on facts reported in the news.

The idea that the FBI opened a counterintelligence case on facts that led them to believe President Trump was an agent of Russian Intelligence is an interesting one. What could have been the predication that was sufficient to set this in motion in the FBI? I think it is possible there was more to this than some short-sighted bureaucrats striking out against a person they regarded as a political enemy.

Consider the following:

  • The Russian intelligence services have long engaged in “Active Measures,” which are sophisticated disinformation actions to influence or disrupt its enemies. For years, particularly during the Cold War, western counterintelligence services suspected that the KGB was sending us false (perhaps, “fake” is a better word here) defectors and recruitments in place.
  • Anatoliy Golitsyn, a KGB officer who defected in 1961, was suspected of being such a fake defector. Among several things he reported that were believed to be false, was information that UK Prime Minister Harold Wilson was a KGB informer and an agent of influence of the Soviet Union.
  • The Russian security services must have known that Christopher Steele was collecting information about Donald Trump for Hillary Clinton. It is impossible that a former British intelligence officer could have moved around Russia collecting information from Russians without coming to the attention of Russian security services. It is hard to believe that the Russians would have passed up such an opportunity to contribute disinformation to Steele’s dossier.
  • The FBI has fought tenaciously to hide the information on which the Russia investigation was initiated. If the basis for the investigation was just the George Papadopoulos information and/or the Steele dossier, why would they fight so hard to keep it secret? Was there something much more secret that the FBI would not disclose?
  • Several Republican Senators and Congressmen have seen the pertinent FBI documents and say that the basis for the investigation was sound. Would they say that if the basis was the Papadopoulos information and the dossier?
  • When we try to find out something important in the intelligence world, the first place professionals go is to their defectors and recruitments in place. In an investigation of what the Russian intelligence services were doing in our election, wouldn’t the FBI and CIA ask their Russian defectors and recruitments? Could such a source be what the FBI is protecting?
  • Is it possible the FBI had the Steele dossier and found it was confirmed by a recruitment in place or a defector? If the FBI had information from such a source, they might have believed it and that would be the sort of thing they would protect until the end. Anatoliy Golitsyn may have been just the first Russian intelligence agent to provide disinformation that a Western head of state was an agent of Russian Intelligence.

These facts suggest the Russians may indeed be behind the Russia story — not by colluding with President Trump, but by running a disinformation action and, perhaps, a fake defector or recruitment at the FBI and CIA. If so, they fooled CIA Chief Brennan and Director Comey and produced much more disruption than they could have imagined. Golitsyn’s information about Prime Minister Wilson was disruptive but, in the end, most counterintelligence professionals were not fooled. If the Russians have done such a thing now with the Trump collusion narrative, it surely has been the most damaging disinformation program that they ever pulled off.

The counterintelligence world is a complicated and multifaceted place. If the Russians were running a collusion disinformation effort, the situation called for the leadership of the FBI to exercise the greatest sophistication and act with great care. One would hope that senior FBI officials would be sophisticated enough not to be taken in by such a scheme. Director Comey may have known a lot about criminal investigation, but he was a rookie in the counterintelligence world. I doubt Comey was a person who would have enough self-awareness to recognize he didn’t know very much about counterintelligence and his chief advisors, McCabe and Strzok, don’t strike me as careful, sophisticated people.

Published in Law, Politics
This post was promoted to the Main Feed by a Ricochet Editor at the recommendation of Ricochet members. Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Join Ricochet for Free.

There are 128 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Chris Campion (View Comment):
    … while the State Department was involved in securing a uranium mining deal with Russia…

    It is statements like this which suggest the argument being made is done to divert and confuse the issue by creating a false equivalency.

    The implication is the Secretary of State was the approval authority for the purchase and, in this case, was actively working to secure the deal. Neither of those is true.

    As I stated earlier, the State Dept was one of nine Departments or agencies involved in the process. The State Dept’s assessment of the sale was no different than the Defense Dept’s, Treasury, Commerce, or any other agency involved. Additionally, there is no evidence to suggest Clinton was personally involved in the process at all. Such matters were normally handled at the Assistant Secretary level and there is no reason to believe this specific proposal was different.

    The State Dept deals with with every nation on Earth. The husband of the Secretary of State giving paid speeches to those with business before the State Dept definitely raises legitimate concern of influence peddling but to make the case there was such requires a whole lot more than anyone has been able to present regarding Uranium One.

    At a minimum, symmetry would demand a “Robert Mueller-like Special Counsel” to investigate it. There is much more smoke with Hillary and Uranium One than Donald Trump and Russian “collusion”. Of course, Hillary would set up the structures for “plausible deniability” that the SOS didn’t make the decision. And yes, the Arkansas grifters have perfected form over substance. What you call in form not true, are true in substance.

    I think your denials of the Clinton Pay To Play Uranium One Scandal really require a willing suspension of disbelief. 

    Let’s get a multi-year Bob Mueller-like investigation going to put the screws to associates of hers and find out the truth.

    Symmetry. It’s a beautiful thing.

    • #91
  2. Joe Wolfinger Inactive
    Joe Wolfinger
    @JRWOLFINGER

    Flicker (View Comment):
    are you saying that (1) there is too much evidence to not believe that the FBI and CIA have conducted an investigation that showed Trump was indeed owned by Russia, and also that (1b) you can’t accept their conclusion, and so (2) you believe the FBI and CIA were set up with disinformers, (3) the existence and success of which would make the FBI and CIA look like fools for the next hundred years

    I am saying that the Russians have done it before with Anatoliy Golitsyn who told us that UK Prime Minister Harold Wilson was an agent of influence of the KGB.  It is hard to believe that the current Russian intelligence service would refrain from inserting disinformation into the Russia collusion investigation.  Further, I suspect that Comey, a rookie in the CI world, lacked the self awareness necessary to realize how little he knew and, therefore, if the Russians did run a fake recruitment at us, he might have been inclined to believe it.  

    If the senior people at the FBI were taken in then they didn’t do their job and should be accountable for it.

    • #92
  3. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    Columbo (View Comment):
    At a minimum, symmetry would demand a “Robert Mueller-like Special Counsel” to investigate it. There is much more smoke with Hillary and Uranium One than Donald Trump and Russian “collusion”. Of course, Hillary would set up the structures for “plausible deniability” that the SOS didn’t make the decision. And yes, the Arkansas grifters have perfected form over substance. What you call in form not true, are true in substance.

    No, it would not.  Not by any reasonable standard.

    First, there is barely a wisp of smoke on Uranium One.  Hillary did not set up the structure of The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, it has been around for more than half a century.

    Second, if the Trump appointed leaders of the DOJ had cause to investigate the Hillary Clinton/Uranium One, there is absolutely nothing stopping them from doing so.

    Lastly, if they did decide to investigate it,there would be no reason to appoint a special counsel because there would be no conflict of interest.

    • #93
  4. Jeffery Shepherd Inactive
    Jeffery Shepherd
    @JefferyShepherd

    I think what you are saying is our great intelligence services and their respective leaders,  Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, etc, were duped And, maybe worse, they were all too eager to be duped because of irrational fear of the unknown (Trump) while disrespecting the will and the wisdom of the American people.   After all, we’re dumb and they can smell us in Walmart.  I have thought that of this keystone cops fiasco from the beginning.  And, the bastards should go to jail.  I’ve also wondered where our lauded FISA court judges are in this case.  You’d think just one of them would ask Mr. Rosenstein to come before him and explain how he presented unverified BS (whatever mr. filter), while hiding from the court the creator of said BS, in order to get a warrant.  But, maybe I expect too much of them too.

    And a little story below about Mr. Ohr and willful deceit in pursuit of a FISA warrant.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/425739-fisa-shocker-doj-official-warned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton

     

    • #94
  5. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    Columbo (View Comment):

    I think your denials of the Clinton Pay To Play Uranium One Scandal really require a willing suspension of disbelief. 

    The article you link to states, “Clinton played a pivotal role in the Uranium One deal which ended up giving Russian interests control of 20 percent of our uranium supply in exchange for donations of $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.”

    This statement is simply not true.  There is no evidence Clinton played any role at all!

    • #95
  6. Jeffery Shepherd Inactive
    Jeffery Shepherd
    @JefferyShepherd

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    I think your denials of the Clinton Pay To Play Uranium One Scandal really require a willing suspension of disbelief.

    The article you link to states, “Clinton played a pivotal role in the Uranium One deal which ended up giving Russian interests control of 20 percent of our uranium supply in exchange for donations of $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.”

    This statement is simply not true. There is no evidence Clinton played any role at all!

    I always thought her leverage, and what got her and slick willie the payola, was not voting against it.  In other words, she could have blocked it.

    • #96
  7. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    Jeffery Shepherd (View Comment):
    I always thought her leverage, and what got her and slick willie the payola, was not voting against it. In other words, she could have blocked it.

    The State Dept could have objected to the sale, just as 8 or so other agencies could have.  At the State Dept, these decisions are normally made at the Assistant Secretary level and there is no evidence this specific proposal was handled differently and Clinton herself played any role at all in the State Dept decision.

    • #97
  8. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Jeffery Shepherd (View Comment):
    I always thought her leverage, and what got her and slick willie the payola, was not voting against it. In other words, she could have blocked it.

    The State Dept could have objected to the sale, just as 8 or so other agencies could have. At the State Dept, these decisions are normally made at the Assistant Secretary level and there is no evidence this specific proposal was handled differently and Clinton herself played any role at all in the State Dept decision.

    Is your thought that there is no need to understand if there is any connection between the Uranium One deal and very large contributions to the Clinton Foundation by the same principals involved in the commercial Uranium One transaction? These things just happen?

    • #98
  9. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS
    @user_54742

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Jeffery Shepherd (View Comment):
    I always thought her leverage, and what got her and slick willie the payola, was not voting against it. In other words, she could have blocked it.

    The State Dept could have objected to the sale, just as 8 or so other agencies could have. At the State Dept, these decisions are normally made at the Assistant Secretary level and there is no evidence this specific proposal was handled differently and Clinton herself played any role at all in the State Dept decision.

    The issue, at the very least, is the unseemly appearance when any cabinet member has any approval authority over financial transactions,  especially with national security implications, with countries which are currently paying family members for “speaking engagements” and making “charitable” donations to your foundation.

    • #99
  10. DrewInWisconsin Member
    DrewInWisconsin
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):
    The State Dept could have objected to the sale, just as 8 or so other agencies could have.

    Yes, I’m sure John Kerry would have objected.

    • #100
  11. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Is your thought that there is no need to understand if there is any connection between the Uranium One deal and very large contributions to the Clinton Foundation by the same principals involved in the commercial Uranium One transaction? These things just happen?

    Yes, Uranium One is a nonissue, a big nothing burger.

    As I said earlier, there is plenty of reason to be concerned about influence peddling when the spouse of a Cabinet member gives paid speeches to interests with business before the Department that Cabinet member heads.  Uranium One does not advance that concern.

    • #101
  12. DrewInWisconsin Member
    DrewInWisconsin
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Neil, I don’t want to join the pile-on, but your rugged defenses of Hillary and her minions, adherence to the mythical Trump/Russia collusion, combined with your history of NeverTrumpism and general belief in the purity of bureaucrats makes me wonder exactly where you’re coming from.

    • #102
  13. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    I think your denials of the Clinton Pay To Play Uranium One Scandal really require a willing suspension of disbelief.

    The article you link to states, “Clinton played a pivotal role in the Uranium One deal which ended up giving Russian interests control of 20 percent of our uranium supply in exchange for donations of $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.”

    This statement is simply not true. There is no evidence Clinton played any role at all!

    Your statement is simply not true. There is plenty of evidence (and an incredible amount of highly suspicious DNC media denials – the ‘lady’ doth protest too much, methinks and all). The very idea that those 8 other agencies, in addition to State, under the Barack 0bama administration, cared not a twit about what the SOS wanted is preposterous on its face. Hillary is notorious for rage at staff and controls everything.

    It makes this investigator very suspicious. I can smell the subterfuge and criminality.

    • #103
  14. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Neil, I don’t want to join the pile-on, but your rugged defenses of Hillary and her minions, adherence to the mythical Trump/Russia collusion, combined with your history of NeverTrumpism and general belief in the purity of bureaucrats makes me wonder exactly where you’re coming from.

    Hillary apologists on a “right of center” website are like fingernails on the chalkboard, I always say.

    • #104
  15. DrewInWisconsin Member
    DrewInWisconsin
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Columbo (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Neil, I don’t want to join the pile-on, but your rugged defenses of Hillary and her minions, adherence to the mythical Trump/Russia collusion, combined with your history of NeverTrumpism and general belief in the purity of bureaucrats makes me wonder exactly where you’re coming from.

    Hillary apologists on a “right of center” website are like fingernails on the chalkboard, I always say.

    My general feeling of late is that Ricochet regularly employs a bit of the ol’ bait-and-switch.

    • #105
  16. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    As I said earlier, there is plenty of reason to be concerned about influence peddling when the spouse of a Cabinet member gives paid speeches to interests with business before the Department that Cabinet member heads. Uranium One does not advance that concern.

    I say again, “there is plenty of reason to be concerned about influence peddling when the spouse of a Cabinet member gives paid speeches to interests with business before the Department that Cabinet member heads. Uranium One does not advance that concern.”

    • #106
  17. Jeffery Shepherd Inactive
    Jeffery Shepherd
    @JefferyShepherd

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Jeffery Shepherd (View Comment):
    I always thought her leverage, and what got her and slick willie the payola, was not voting against it. In other words, she could have blocked it.

    The State Dept could have objected to the sale, just as 8 or so other agencies could have. At the State Dept, these decisions are normally made at the Assistant Secretary level and there is no evidence this specific proposal was handled differently and Clinton herself played any role at all in the State Dept decision.

    Totally my opinion, but that’s right and some people are for sale and some aren’t.   And, in your example, one was and 7 weren’t.  The state dept could have objected but they didn’t and funds transfers to the Clinton Foundation ensured that it wouldn’t.  Are you saying there were not contributions to the Clinton Foundation from parties with interest in this transaction. Perhaps you don’t think Hillary was open for business.  

    • #107
  18. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    Neil, I don’t want to join the pile-on, but your rugged defenses of Hillary and her minions, adherence to the mythical Trump/Russia collusion, combined with your history of NeverTrumpism and general belief in the purity of bureaucrats makes me wonder exactly where you’re coming from.

    If stating the facts of the Uranium One nonissue constitute a rugged defense of Hillary and her minions the concept of truth has been lost.  Hillary Clinton is an awful human being but not because of anything she did regarding  Uranium One.  Largely because there is no evidence she did anything.

    So where I’m coming from is the truth.

    • #108
  19. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Is your thought that there is no need to understand if there is any connection between the Uranium One deal and very large contributions to the Clinton Foundation by the same principals involved in the commercial Uranium One transaction? These things just happen?

    Yes, Uranium One is a nonissue, a big nothing burger.

    As I said earlier, there is plenty of reason to be concerned about influence peddling when the spouse of a Cabinet member gives paid speeches to interests with business before the Department that Cabinet member heads. Uranium One does not advance that concern.

    Are you concluding that the described financial relationships did not ever exist?

    • #109
  20. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    I think your denials of the Clinton Pay To Play Uranium One Scandal really require a willing suspension of disbelief.

    The article you link to states, “Clinton played a pivotal role in the Uranium One deal which ended up giving Russian interests control of 20 percent of our uranium supply in exchange for donations of $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.”

    This statement is simply not true. There is no evidence Clinton played any role at all!

    Your statement is simply not true. There is plenty of evidence (and an incredible amount of highly suspicious DNC media denials – the ‘lady’ doth protest too much, methinks and all). The very idea that those 8 other agencies, in addition to State, under the Barack 0bama administration, cared not a twit about what the SOS wanted is preposterous on its face. Hillary is notorious for rage at staff and controls everything.

    It makes this investigator very suspicious. I can smell the subterfuge and criminality.

    That “article” is a joke,l.  There is absolutely nothing to support the only damning charge it makes;

    Mid 2009 through Late 2010: While Secretary of State, Hillary Rodham Clinton intervenes on multiple occasions on behalf of Uranium One/Rosatom and the inner workings of the transfer of the sale of U.S. uranium assets in her official capacity.

    This statement is made with no supporting evidence because there is no such evidence.

    • #110
  21. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    Jeffery Shepherd (View Comment):
    Totally my opinion, but that’s right and some people are for sale and some aren’t. And, in your example, one was and 7 weren’t. The state dept could have objected but they didn’t and funds transfers to the Clinton Foundation ensured that it wouldn’t. Are you saying there were not contributions to the Clinton Foundation from parties with interest in this transaction. Perhaps you don’t think Hillary was open for business.

    I’m saying, the mere existence of the contributions is insufficient to support the charges made.  You would need, at a minimum, involvement by Clinton to overrule objections within the State Department to the sale.  There is no evidence Clinton was involved at all.

    • #111
  22. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Are you concluding that the described financial relationships did not ever exist?

    I’m saying there is no evidence the financial relationship led to any change in State Dept assessment of the deal, pressure to change the assessment, or any personal involvement of Secretary Clinton in developing the assessment.

    • #112
  23. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Jeffery Shepherd (View Comment):

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Jeffery Shepherd (View Comment):
    I always thought her leverage, and what got her and slick willie the payola, was not voting against it. In other words, she could have blocked it.

    The State Dept could have objected to the sale, just as 8 or so other agencies could have. At the State Dept, these decisions are normally made at the Assistant Secretary level and there is no evidence this specific proposal was handled differently and Clinton herself played any role at all in the State Dept decision.

    Totally my opinion, but that’s right and some people are for sale and some aren’t. And, in your example, one was and 7 weren’t. The state dept could have objected but they didn’t and funds transfers to the Clinton Foundation ensured that it wouldn’t. Are you saying there were not contributions to the Clinton Foundation from parties with interest in this transaction. Perhaps you don’t think Hillary was open for business.

    I may have missed it if ever made available or maybe it has not been publicly revealed but I would be helped a lot in adjusting my tentative conclusion with respect to the Clinton Foundation if I had facts regarding those individuals remunerated through compensation as employees or contractors and for all associated reimbursed expenses.

    • #113
  24. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Are you concluding that the described financial relationships did not ever exist?

    I’m saying there is no evidence the financial relationship led to any change in State Dept assessment of the deal, pressure to change the assessment, or any personal involvement of Secretary Clinton in developing the assessment.

    I think there is an ongoing federal inquiry into the operations of the Clinton Foundation so perhaps some insights will result.

    • #114
  25. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Two items you might have a comment on, Joe:

    Wasn’t there some failures in reporting requirements from the intelligence agencies (FBI and CIA) during the period just prior to the election? This could mean that members of the Gang of 8 (Senate and House) did not have the information in order to leak it.

    I have seen it reported that Wikileaks had in its possession evidence that the CIA had a capability to false-flag hacking into databases and some have alleged this was what was done at the DNC, i.e. the CIA covered the possible thumb drive leak and alleged instead that there was an on-line hack. And there has never been an actual government authoritative inquiry reported.

    One reason there is no report, is that the “victim” of the hack refused to give its server to the FBI for examination. Now isn’t that strange?

    • #115
  26. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Two items you might have a comment on, Joe:

    Wasn’t there some failures in reporting requirements from the intelligence agencies (FBI and CIA) during the period just prior to the election? This could mean that members of the Gang of 8 (Senate and House) did not have the information in order to leak it.

    I have seen it reported that Wikileaks had in its possession evidence that the CIA had a capability to false-flag hacking into databases and some have alleged this was what was done at the DNC, i.e. the CIA covered the possible thumb drive leak and alleged instead that there was an on-line hack. And there has never been an actual government authoritative inquiry reported.

    One reason there is no report, is that the “victim” of the hack refused to give its server to the FBI for examination. Now isn’t that strange?

    I don’t think it strange at all, considering the potential range of information, both political and criminal, that might have revealed. What is strange is the acceptance by the intelligence agencies of the word of private contractors in the employ of a political party. This is beyond strange, like bizarre.

    • #116
  27. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    cdor (View Comment):
    Now isn’t that strange?

    Is it?

    • #117
  28. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS
    @user_54742

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):
    Now isn’t that strange?

    Is it?

    People “lose” 33,000 e-mails under congressional subpoena everyday don’t you know … come on man give the gal a break, she just lost an election to Donald Effing Trump for God’s sake.

    • #118
  29. DrewInWisconsin Member
    DrewInWisconsin
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Neil Hansen (Klaatu) (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):
    Now isn’t that strange?

    Is it?

    Yes. “Our servers were hacked! You must do something about this! What? No you can’t examine our servers to see if they really were hacked or by who. Trust us!”

     

    • #119
  30. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive
    Neil Hansen (Klaatu)
    @Klaatu

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    People “lose” 33,000 e-mails under congressional subpoena everyday don’t you know … come on man give the gal a break, she just lost an election to Donald Effing Trump for God’s sake.

    What?  The issue is the DNC email being hacked not Hillary’s email.  They are two separate issues.

    • #120
Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.