Trump, Pelosi, Schumer Debate in Public

 

Ignoring the content for a moment of this video, I just want to say:  I love this.  I love that this exchange took place in front of the American people.  Pelosi wanted to shut down the disagreement, to go behind closed doors, cut some sort of deal, decide how to couch it to the American people, and claim they got agreement on something.  I love it.

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  1. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    I think the old boy is just fed up with GOP sphinctered caudal orifices who won’t support him, and is just going to have a good time for the remainder of his term. As they say down under, “Good on him”.

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  2. Jules PA Inactive
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    Nancy Pelosi, S.H.U.T.  U.P.

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  3. Jules PA Inactive
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    NANCY, I need 10 votes. In the Senate. 

    X10.

    Is she deaf??

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  4. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    How about the 7 Reagan Government shutdowns? A useful tool when framed correctly.

    And the Gingrich Government shutdowns? For the first time in decades, the Republicans retained the majority in the House. In the Senate, they not only held the majority, but increased their majority by 2 seats. The Republicans showed they would actually fight when given the majority, and were rewarded by the voters, who also voted for divided government.

     

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  5. WI Con Member
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    We’re in this position because of the feckless GOP Congressional Leadership. Too bad McCarthy wasn’t in that meeting as well. His Border ad blitz sure talked a good game.

    A “Shut-Down!” is what I ask Santa for each every year.

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  6. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    And poor Mike Pence. He just had to sit there. You know he wanted to backhand Chuck Schumer.

    So did I!

    Chuck the Schmuck. Living up to his richly deserved yet inadequately derisive nickname. 

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  7. I Walton Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    “I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.”

     

    That was a brutal public beating.  When Obama shut down the government he did it to maximize the impact.  Trump can do it in ways that won’t be noticed and thereby remove the  threat from future shut downs.

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  8. Columbo Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    If so, that is good news for the GOP.

    and this was when she was younger and hadn’t begun the brain freezes and tics yet.

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  9. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    How about the 7 Reagan Government shutdowns? A useful tool when framed correctly.

    And the Gingrich Government shutdowns? For the first time in decades, the Republicans retained the majority in the House. In the Senate, they not only held the majority, but increased their majority by 2 seats. The Republicans showed they would actually fight when given the majority, and were rewarded by the voters, who also voted for divided government.

    From The Washington Post:

    Some 70 percent of the federal government — including the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human Services — has already been funded through next September. But numerous other agencies large and small still have not been funded for the 2019 fiscal year as Trump and Democrats squabble over the wall.

    Seventy percent. Seven. Zero. Seventy. 70.

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  10. Spin Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    It always is, isn’t it?  I mean, there’s never a time when we should stiffen the back, dig in the heels, and look in to the (political) enemy’s eyes and say “Bring it on.”  I’m no fan of Trump, but him saying “Go ahead and blame it on me, but we are going to get what we want to get out of this” seems perfect to me.  I wish the budget showdown was over repealing Obamacare or cutting entitlements spending, but it is what it is.  Now let’s see who blinks…

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  11. Columbo Inactive
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    Spin (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    It always is, isn’t it? I mean, there’s never a time when we should stiffen the back, dig in the heels, and look in to the (political) enemy’s eyes and say “Bring it on.” I’m no fan of Trump, but him saying “Go ahead and blame it on me, but we are going to get what we want to get out of this” seems perfect to me. I wish the budget showdown was over repealing Obamacare or cutting entitlements spending, but it is what it is. Now let’s see who blinks…

    A Government shutdown should be embraced by Conservatives. We are the ‘Limited Government’ movement are we not? The D.C. Behemoth that is the present Federal government is bloated and unsustainable. I fail to understand the typical GOP Congressional leadership who weaken, capitulate and cry like Chicken Little whenever the democrats say the word “shutdown”.

    I remember the shutdown in September, 2013. All of the various actors played their predictable parts. The MacDaddys … McConnell and McCain … moaned and bewailed the cataclysmic and horrible consequences that would fall upon their beloved GOP. Reid and Obama laughed and did all in their power to make the effects of the shutdown as public and painful (see government parks) as possible, aided by a sycophantic  media. They have to intentionally try to make a shutdown bad, or no one would even notice it. With Trump in the WH, there will be no negative effect.

    Oh … and by the way … this September, 2013 shutdown, attributed to Ted Cruz, was a spectacular win. It proved to all of the weak, crying capitulators that a government shutdown in 2013 led to electoral victory in 2014.

    It was September 30, 2013, and they thought they had the GOP right where they wanted it as Texas Senator Ted Cruz plowed ahead with the idea of defunding Obamacare — an action that caused Democrats to promptly shut down the government — and blame not just Cruz but the Republican Party. The whole event was giving prominent Republicans in and out of office the political willies. 

    As Republicans sit back having now increased their majority in the House and won control of the Senate in a nationwide landslide, let’s go back a year and see just who was totally convinced Ted Cruz was leading the GOP to disaster. You can find it here but I will note some of the names in this space.

    And yet … here they go again. *Sigh*

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  12. Bishop Wash Member
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    Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger (View Comment):

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    Meh. Now in the next-to-zero probability I’m ever President, you’d get government shutdowns that mean something. I expect the government shutdown would last about three out of four years of my term.

    I’d tell Congress to send me a budget that actually cut spending and then accept the shutdown just to prove I was serious. Then I’d remove the shutdown one department at a time. Some I might never start back up. Maybe, maybe if they sent me a budget that cut enough spending I might bring it fully back online.

    I can’t give you enough likes for that scenario! Can I be your Vice President?

    Works for me.

    Do you two live in the same state?

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    I think the old boy is just fed up with GOP sphinctered caudal orifices who won’t support him, and is just going to have a good time for the remainder of his term. As they say down under, “Good on him”.

    And Trump will destroy the Republican Brand as we lose another 41 seats in 2020, another 7 governorships, 400 more legislative seats and control of the Senate.

    In 2018, we lost 2 of 9 Republican seats, and the Democrats lost only 4 of 25 seats.  In 2020, we have 22 seats up, and the Democrats have only 12 seats up.  The Democrats will win a net 5-8 Senate seats, if we stick with Trump.  Good luck with that.

    In the War of the Triple Alliance in 1864-70 Paraguay declared war on three of its neighbors, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, with Paraguay losing a third of their land and half of their population.  Perhaps there is a lesson to learn there.

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  14. Steven Seward Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

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    Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger (View Comment):

    Meh. Now in the next-to-zero probability I’m ever President, you’d get government shutdowns that mean something. I expect the government shutdown would last about three out of four years of my term.

    I’d tell Congress to send me a budget that actually cut spending and then accept the shutdown just to prove I was serious. Then I’d remove the shutdown one department at a time. Some I might never start back up. Maybe, maybe if they sent me a budget that cut enough spending I might bring it fully back online.

    I can’t give you enough likes for that scenario! Can I be your Vice President?

    Works for me.

    Do you two live in the same state?

    Nope.  Wisconsin and Ohio.  Why do you ask?

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  15. Columbo Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    I think the old boy is just fed up with GOP sphinctered caudal orifices who won’t support him, and is just going to have a good time for the remainder of his term. As they say down under, “Good on him”.

    And Trump will destroy the Republican Brand as we lose another 41 seats in 2020, another 7 governorships, 400 more legislative seats and control of the Senate.

    In 2018, we lost 2 of 9 Republican seats, and the Democrats lost only 4 of 25 seats. In 2020, we have 22 seats up, and the Democrats have only 12 seats up. The Democrats will win a net 5-8 Senate seats, if we stick with Trump. Good luck with that.

    In the War of the Triple Alliance in 1864-70 Paraguay declared war on three of its neighbors, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, with Paraguay losing a third of their land and half of their population. Perhaps there is a lesson to learn there.

     

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  16. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    And Trump will destroy the Republican Brand as we lose another 41 seats in 2020, another 7 governorships, 400 more legislative seats and control of the Senate.

    In 2018, we lost 2 of 9 Republican seats, and the Democrats lost only 4 of 25 seats. In 2020, we have 22 seats up, and the Democrats have only 12 seats up. The Democrats will win a net 5-8 Senate seats, if we stick with Trump. Good luck with that.

    So how do you come up with the GOP losing seats in the Senate when we just gained two more?  You seem to be just extrapolating current trends in the House and Governorships, and then you reverse it for the Senate. 

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  17. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    NANCY, I need 10 votes. In the Senate.

    X10.

    Is she deaf??

    Trump is not deaf, he is stupid as he thinks that he can bully Senate Democrats.  Trump is not going to get 9 or 10 Democratic votes in the Senate unless he wants to trade something, such as a whole bunch more money, relief for the DACA kids, and/or protection for Robert Mueller.  What is Trump willing to trade?  Or is he just going to keep screaming as Trump shuts down the government in what Trump called the Trump Shutdown?

    Trump thought that he could call in the press and out-manouever Chuck and Nancy.  He couldn’t.  Pelosi mentioned the Trump Shutdown, and he took the bait.

    Trump is about the worst negotiator I have ever seen.

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

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    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    How about the 7 Reagan Government shutdowns? A useful tool when framed correctly.

    Reagan was a master of communication.  Trump is a buffoon.

    And the Gingrich Government shutdowns? For the first time in decades, the Republicans retained the majority in the House. In the Senate, they not only held the majority, but increased their majority by 2 seats. The Republicans showed they would actually fight when given the majority, and were rewarded by the voters, who also voted for divided government.

    Gingrich was out of government in a little more than 3 years.  Clinton got re-elected.

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  19. Bishop Wash Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

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    Matt Balzer, Straw Bootlegger (View Comment):

    Meh. Now in the next-to-zero probability I’m ever President, you’d get government shutdowns that mean something. I expect the government shutdown would last about three out of four years of my term.

    I’d tell Congress to send me a budget that actually cut spending and then accept the shutdown just to prove I was serious. Then I’d remove the shutdown one department at a time. Some I might never start back up. Maybe, maybe if they sent me a budget that cut enough spending I might bring it fully back online.

    I can’t give you enough likes for that scenario! Can I be your Vice President?

    Works for me.

    Do you two live in the same state?

    Nope. Wisconsin and Ohio. Why do you ask?

    Amendment 12. President and Vice President can’t be from the same state. At least that’s my understanding. Dick Cheney made a big deal that he was from Wyoming and not actually Texas, like Bush.

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

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    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    How about the 7 Reagan Government shutdowns? A useful tool when framed correctly.

    And the Gingrich Government shutdowns? For the first time in decades, the Republicans retained the majority in the House. In the Senate, they not only held the majority, but increased their majority by 2 seats. The Republicans showed they would actually fight when given the majority, and were rewarded by the voters, who also voted for divided government.

    From The Washington Post:

    Some 70 percent of the federal government — including the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human Services — has already been funded through next September. But numerous other agencies large and small still have not been funded for the 2019 fiscal year as Trump and Democrats squabble over the wall.

    Seventy percent. Seven. Zero. Seventy. 70.

    The National Parks are not protected.  How long do you think it will take for there to be camera crews at Grand Canyon National Park or the World War Two Memorial?  The Dems have played this game before, and are much better than Trump.

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    And Trump will destroy the Republican Brand as we lose another 41 seats in 2020, another 7 governorships, 400 more legislative seats and control of the Senate.

    In 2018, we lost 2 of 9 Republican seats, and the Democrats lost only 4 of 25 seats. In 2020, we have 22 seats up, and the Democrats have only 12 seats up. The Democrats will win a net 5-8 Senate seats, if we stick with Trump. Good luck with that.

    So how do you come up with the GOP losing seats in the Senate when we just gained two more? You seem to be just extrapolating current trends in the House and Governorships, and then you reverse it for the Senate.

    We lost 22% of the Senate Seats we had to protect, and Dems lost 12% of the Seats they had to protect.  (In 2020, and 2022 we have many more seats to protect.)  And this was during a Midterm election when Reps vote in far higher percentages than Dems.  In 2020, Trump will be moving towards an epic loss of biblical proportions and he will drag the rest of the party down with him.  It will be worse than 1964, or 1974.  All if we continue with a proven loser like Trump.

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  22. WI Con Member
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    Seems like the “shut-down!” vapors that everyone gets has more to do about the cash flow of the contractors/vendors and the campaign cash the spread around.

    What, 85% of functions go unmolested. You’re telling me that the GOP can’t ‘sell’ a 15% cut in government?

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    Meh. Now in the next-to-zero probability I’m ever President, you’d get government shutdowns that mean something. I expect the government shutdown would last about three out of four years of my term.

    I’d tell Congress to send me a budget that actually cut spending and then accept the shutdown just to prove I was serious. Then I’d remove the shutdown one department at a time. Some I might never start back up. Maybe, maybe if they sent me a budget that cut enough spending I might bring it fully back online.

    I can’t give you enough likes for that scenario! Can I be your Vice President?

    Works for me.

    Do you two live in the same state?

    Nope. Wisconsin and Ohio. Why do you ask?

    Amendment 12. President and Vice President can’t be from the same state. At least that’s my understanding. Dick Cheney made a big deal that he was from Wyoming and not actually Texas, like Bush.

    The way the press found out that Cheney was Bush’s running mate is that he flew back to Wyoming to register to vote there.

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  24. Front Seat Cat Member
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    What was funny was how Trump repeats his point over and over and over – we need a wall, we need border security, we need a wall, we’re going to get a wall, the wall will be built, is being built, we need border security right Nancy? Chuck, are you in agreeance that we need border security…..we’re going to get it – the wall I mean. See, we get along, so you agree right? About the wall I mean?

    She was trying to play the old games of present why you need it, evidence that it will work, and drag it out – they don’t realize that Trump is not a politician, but a businessman, and if he can’t get funding the old fashioned way, and he knows he can’t, he’ll find another way – the Pentagon Budget? Very creative.

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  25. Gary Robbins Member
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    Seems like the “shut-down!” vapors that everyone gets has more to do about the cash flow of the contractors/vendors and the campaign cash the spread around.

    What, 85% of functions go unmolested. You’re telling me that the GOP can’t ‘sell’ a 15% cut in government?

     I will see you at the cameras at the gates of the National Parks.  Go luck with that one.  

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  26. Gary Robbins Member
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    What was funny was how Trump repeats his point over and over and over – we need a wall, we need border security, we need a wall, we’re going to get a wall, the wall will be built, is being built, we need border security right Nancy? Chuck, are you in agreeance that we need border security…..we’re going to get it – the wall I mean. She was trying to play the old games of present why you need it, evidence that it will work, and drag it out – they don’t realize that Trump is not a politician, but a businessman, and if he can’t get funding the old fashioned way, and he knows he can’t, he’ll find another way – the Pentagon Budget? Very creative.

    The Senate Armed Service Committee and National Security hawks won’t be happy with that.  Of course, the Democrat House Armed Service Committee will be all over that too.

    I thought that the Republican Party was committed to following the Constitution.  Trump is advocating ignoring congressional appropriations.  This didn’t work well when Nixon tried it, it won’t work well now.

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  27. Columbo Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Seems like the “shut-down!” vapors that everyone gets has more to do about the cash flow of the contractors/vendors and the campaign cash the spread around.

    What, 85% of functions go unmolested. You’re telling me that the GOP can’t ‘sell’ a 15% cut in government?

    I will see you at the cameras at the gates of the National Parks. Go luck with that one.

    There will be no cameras at the gates. The National Parks will not be shut down. That was Obama trying to inflict pain intentionally.

    President Trump will see to it that the National Parks are kept open … especially the War Memorials, unlike Obama.

    And who better to blame than the National Park Service, who erected the barriers after the shutdown? Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) called the rangers “goons” sent by the president to keep the public out.

    “If Harry Reid and the president want to keep the parks closed — I mean, did you read the story today? Some idiot in the government sent goons out there to set up barricades so they couldn’t see the monument. People had to spend hours setting up barricades [why weren’t they shut down too] where there are never barricades, to prevent people from seeing the World War II monument, because they’re trying to play a charade,” Paul said in an interview on Fox News’ “Hannity.”

    Paul added that the Obama administration is putting up the barricades because “they like the shutdown.”

    (snip)

    “These are guys who were not stopped by the Nazis, fascists, Axis powers, Kamikaze,” Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) said in an interview with right-wing CNS News on Tuesday. “These guys made it through all of that. And this is their memorial. Now we understand that with the shutdown, you’re going to shut down the pumps, we get that. But it really doesn’t take any more people to make sure that things are defaced from the inside than the outside.”

    Your desired shutdown of our National Parks won’t happen under President Trump. Unlike Obama, he loves this country.

    And he doesn’t quake in fear of Congressional democrat leadership.

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  28. Gary Robbins Member
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    Seems like the “shut-down!” vapors that everyone gets has more to do about the cash flow of the contractors/vendors and the campaign cash the spread around.

    What, 85% of functions go unmolested. You’re telling me that the GOP can’t ‘sell’ a 15% cut in government?

    I will see you at the cameras at the gates of the National Parks. Go luck with that one.

    There will be no cameras at the gates. The National Parks will not be shut down. That was Obama trying to inflict pain intentionally.

    President Trump will see to it that the National Parks are kept open … especially the War Memorials, unlike Obama.

    And who better to blame than the National Park Service, who erected the barriers after the shutdown? Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) called the rangers “goons” sent by the president to keep the public out.

    “If Harry Reid and the president want to keep the parks closed — I mean, did you read the story today? Some idiot in the government sent goons out there to set up barricades so they couldn’t see the monument. People had to spend hours setting up barricades [why weren’t they shut down too] where there are never barricades, to prevent people from seeing the World War II monument, because they’re trying to play a charade,” Paul said in an interview on Fox News’ “Hannity.”

    Paul added that the Obama administration is putting up the barricades because “they like the shutdown.”

    (snip)

    “These are guys who were not stopped by the Nazis, fascists, Axis powers, Kamikaze,” Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) said in an interview with right-wing CNS News on Tuesday. “These guys made it through all of that. And this is their memorial. Now we understand that with the shutdown, you’re going to shut down the pumps, we get that. But it really doesn’t take any more people to make sure that things are defaced from the inside than the outside.”

    Your desired shutdown of our National Parks won’t happen under President Trump. Unlike Obama, he loves this country.

    And he doesn’t quake in fear of Congressional democrat leadership.

    No Trump blusters and bellows.  Wholly ineffective.

    Does it bother you that Trump uses the flag as a prop, and not as a object of reverence?

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  29. Columbo Inactive
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    Seems like the “shut-down!” vapors that everyone gets has more to do about the cash flow of the contractors/vendors and the campaign cash the spread around.

    What, 85% of functions go unmolested. You’re telling me that the GOP can’t ‘sell’ a 15% cut in government?

    I will see you at the cameras at the gates of the National Parks. Go luck with that one.

    There will be no cameras at the gates. The National Parks will not be shut down. That was Obama trying to inflict pain intentionally.

    President Trump will see to it that the National Parks are kept open … especially the War Memorials, unlike Obama.

    And who better to blame than the National Park Service, who erected the barriers after the shutdown? Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) called the rangers “goons” sent by the president to keep the public out.

    “If Harry Reid and the president want to keep the parks closed — I mean, did you read the story today? Some idiot in the government sent goons out there to set up barricades so they couldn’t see the monument. People had to spend hours setting up barricades [why weren’t they shut down too] where there are never barricades, to prevent people from seeing the World War II monument, because they’re trying to play a charade,” Paul said in an interview on Fox News’ “Hannity.”

    Paul added that the Obama administration is putting up the barricades because “they like the shutdown.”

    (snip)

    “These are guys who were not stopped by the Nazis, fascists, Axis powers, Kamikaze,” Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) said in an interview with right-wing CNS News on Tuesday. “These guys made it through all of that. And this is their memorial. Now we understand that with the shutdown, you’re going to shut down the pumps, we get that. But it really doesn’t take any more people to make sure that things are defaced from the inside than the outside.”

    Your desired shutdown of our National Parks won’t happen under President Trump. Unlike Obama, he loves this country.

    And he doesn’t quake in fear of Congressional democrat leadership.

    No Trump blusters and bellows. Wholly ineffective.

    Does it bother you that Trump uses the flag as a prop, and not as a object of reverence?

    Do the petty, pompous and pitiful senators from Arizona bother you?

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    Seems like the “shut-down!” vapors that everyone gets has more to do about the cash flow of the contractors/vendors and the campaign cash the spread around.

    What, 85% of functions go unmolested. You’re telling me that the GOP can’t ‘sell’ a 15% cut in government?

    I will see you at the cameras at the gates of the National Parks. Go luck with that one.

    You thought that made the GOP look bad? You’re serious?

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