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Trump, Pelosi, Schumer Debate in Public
Ignoring the content for a moment of this video, I just want to say: I love this. I love that this exchange took place in front of the American people. Pelosi wanted to shut down the disagreement, to go behind closed doors, cut some sort of deal, decide how to couch it to the American people, and claim they got agreement on something. I love it.
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What’s insane is that government shuts down 2 days out of every 7! That is over 100 days a year!! Crazy-town!!!! There is no sane reason why the entire federal government is not open 24x7x365. The govt. must be like Denny’s and NEVER EVER shutdown.
Or, not. I guarantee that during the shutdown, more people will die from opioids from the shutdown. It is insane to *not* shut it down to get border security.
If that’s the case, then why were two of them trying to hide it from the cameras?
I was reading this today and this paragraph caught my eye:
I’m reminded of a word, and the word is kayfabe. In professional wrestling, kayfabe is/was the act of pretending that everything happening is real as opposed to a show. I think there’s a lot of kayfabe happening in Washington, and anything that reduces it is a plus in my book.
I understand that this was to be a negotiation session and that Trump invited in the cameras in a “gotcha” move. When the cameras are there, each party is going to state their strongest arguments and will not show any flexibility.
In addition it makes it harder for the lying Dems and the lying media to lie about afterwards.
McCain rhymes with pain.
Flake rhymes with … flake.
Goldwater? Trump won 252 more electoral votes and 24 more states than Goldwater who won his own state by less than 5,000 votes in 1964 and by less than 10,000 votes in the landslide Republican year of 1980.
Are you the person who said that he regretted voting for liberal-moderate Republican Martha McSally as she is too … pro-Trump or something?
I said that and retracted it shortly thereafter.
The “yellow jackets ” in France seem to be made up of a lot of normal people who have had enough of the deep state actively trying to ruin their lives. The only thing that could have been better during that video would have been President Trump donning a yellow jacket. He was the only person in that video who was tired of the deep state trying to ruin the lives of normal people.
If it was agreed on that cameras wouldn’t be present, I could see it being a problem. As it is, I’m calling it WGAS and moving on.
The President should have the advantage on this. According to Gallup, Americans named illegal immigration is the top problem in the U.S. The survey shows that Republicans and Democrats rate illegal immigration at different levels of importance, but the issue has ticked up for members of both parties recently. Underscoring that mass migration is a worldwide and measurably large challenge for nation-states (and giving the lie to those who say this is a phony problem) Gallup also estimates that more than 750 million people worldwide would emigrate from their home country if they could, and that the U.S. is the top destination. About one hundred and fifty-eight million potential migrants name the U.S. as their “desired future residence.” Clearly, government can and should do more to secure the border and insist that migrants present themselves at entry points of the government’s choosing.
Agree that it is a problem. But does that require a 40 foot wall, (30 feet in the air, and 10 feet deep), especially when Visa overstays are a bigger problem.
It requires something, and the perception is that Trump has failed to deliver on this promise. He’ll be a one-term Prez unless he does. I won’t vote for him unless he delivers, and I won’t be alone.
The parks can be funded from fumes, it’s tiny, especially those still open in the winter. Obama shut them down to disrupt and be noticed. We can easily send folks home, preferably leave without pay, no purchase orders and no travel from the other 99.9999 % of the discretionary budget and nobody will notice other than those who lose pay, or get their pay late.
Do you do a lot of that?
The wall is “a part of” border security as Trump mentioned the other day with Pelosi and Schumer. He does need to get moving faster but maybe a lot has already been done that I (we?) don’t know about.
I never worked with DHS, so all I know is what I read in the papers or on-line. I’d like to believe that things have been accomplished that we haven’t heard about, but I doubt it. I think the main reason Trump wants to make this a public fight is to get things moving, or shift blame to the Democrats and RINO corporate shills he deals with.
Those are separate (though related) problems with separate solutions. Given that the Dems are going to make it tough to tackle either of them, it makes sense to go after the one that is easiest to conceptualize and sell to the public. Walls work (that’s why we build them, pretty much everywhere), but they are also symbolic politically, and public support may be the thing that tips this issue.
Seems like Trump is playing a gambit here. He takes the hit for “The Trump Shutdown” and, in exchange, either 1) gets the wall built or 2) he can credibly claim that he did everything possible, but the Dems are in the way. Either outcome helps his reelection prospects and argues for voting out the Dems next time around.
Actually no.
solid copy sarge
Just to be clear on the current state of the 12 discretionary budget appropriation acts:
5 of 12 regular appropriations already authorized. None of those will be subject to “shutdown:”
Agriculture is being considered with Finance and General Government, Interior, and Transportation/HUD. It is being talked about as the “Farm Bill.” These 4 are likely to pass.
This leaves three regular appropriations standing alone:
Commerce/Justice/Science
Homeland Security
State/Foreign Operations
That is what is likely left to “shut down.” The old folks are getting their checks, Medicare and Medicaid payments will be made, the military are getting paid, the VA is fully funded, as is military construction, education… But Bob Mueller and his minions might lose their ability to run the charge card and won’t get paid until the Commerce/Justice/Science appropriation passes.
I’ve expanded this into an OP: I Got Your Shutdown Right Here!
Who will you vote for? Say it’s Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. It’s binary. Do you vote for Harris if he doesn’t have the wall?
And a good OP it is…
It’s never too early to start this conversation, eh?
As soon as we say it’s binary, you will attract the liberaltarians to the debate … Good times. Good times!
I didn’t specifically say a wall. I thought of his promise to do something about illegal immigration, visa over-stays and so on. The wall is more an in-your-face statement than a complete solution, but with nothing done, I’d be content to leave the line for President blank.
I would vote for John Kasich who would be elected in a three-way race with Trump and Harris.
Remember, in 1912, the Republican Candidate came in third.
So the question is, if Kasich is running ahead of Trump, would you vote for Kasich instead of Trump to prevent the election of Harris?
Gary, don’t you know that the election to which you have referred here is the opening step to the disaster that has befallen the American people? And you like that event so much you want to repeat it?
If the choice was Kasich or Harris, I’d leave it blank. I have as much contempt for Kasich and Flake as you have for Trump. I told you several comments ago that I’m through with the old-line, anti-Trump GOP and I meant it. Also, let me say again that out of the 17 in 2016 Trump was #14 for me. I was not a fan.
Who were ##15-17?
Tied for last place were Bush and Kasich. Next to last depended on the day of the week.