Trump, Pelosi, Schumer Debate in Public

 

Ignoring the content for a moment of this video, I just want to say:  I love this.  I love that this exchange took place in front of the American people.  Pelosi wanted to shut down the disagreement, to go behind closed doors, cut some sort of deal, decide how to couch it to the American people, and claim they got agreement on something.  I love it.

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    Barry Goldwater, John McCain, Jon Kyl, Jeff Flake.  

    All great Republican Senators from Arizona.

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  2. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    I think the old boy is just fed up with GOP sphinctered caudal orifices who won’t support him, and is just going to have a good time for the remainder of his term. As they say down under, “Good on him”.

    And Trump will destroy the Republican Brand as we lose another 41 seats in 2020, another 7 governorships, 400 more legislative seats and control of the Senate.

    In 2018, we lost 2 of 9 Republican seats, and the Democrats lost only 4 of 25 seats. In 2020, we have 22 seats up, and the Democrats have only 12 seats up. The Democrats will win a net 5-8 Senate seats, if we stick with Trump. Good luck with that.

    In the War of the Triple Alliance in 1864-70 Paraguay declared war on three of its neighbors, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, with Paraguay losing a third of their land and half of their population. Perhaps there is a lesson to learn there.

    Let me explain something to you Gary. You have said that you wanted Trump, and by extension, people such as I, out of the GOP. I speak only for myself, but for myself, you have succeeded. I don’t give a tinker’s damn what happens to the party of Flake, Kasich, Ryan, and a few others I could name. The quicker it dies, the quicker it can be replaced. Maybe with something better, but whether or not, we are watching history being made. Get some good wine, something harder, or popcorn if you prefer. Enjoy the show. I think Trump is going to enjoy it, and I double down on saying, “Good on him.”

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  3. Chuckles Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    That’s two good things!  And the winning continues…

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  4. Chuckles Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

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    Spin (View Comment):

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    Spin (View Comment):

    And poor Mike Pence. He just had to sit there. You know he wanted to backhand Chuck Schumer.

    So did I!

    No, you have to backhand Pelosi.

    Okay!

    I don’t advocate violence against women. I was mostly joking. Don’t back hand Pelosi. She’s pretty old now and it might kill her.

    Was this supposed to dissuade?

    I kid… maybe…

    If CNN ever discovers us, we are doomed!

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    I think the old boy is just fed up with GOP sphinctered caudal orifices who won’t support him, and is just going to have a good time for the remainder of his term. As they say down under, “Good on him”.

    And Trump will destroy the Republican Brand as we lose another 41 seats in 2020, another 7 governorships, 400 more legislative seats and control of the Senate.

    In 2018, we lost 2 of 9 Republican seats, and the Democrats lost only 4 of 25 seats. In 2020, we have 22 seats up, and the Democrats have only 12 seats up. The Democrats will win a net 5-8 Senate seats, if we stick with Trump. Good luck with that.

    In the War of the Triple Alliance in 1864-70 Paraguay declared war on three of its neighbors, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, with Paraguay losing a third of their land and half of their population. Perhaps there is a lesson to learn there.

    Let me explain something to you Gary. You have said that you wanted Trump, and by extension, people such as I, out of the GOP. I speak only for myself, but for myself, you have succeeded. I don’t give a tinker’s damn what happens to the party of Flake, Kasich, Ryan, and a few others I could name. The quicker it dies, the quicker it can be replaced. Maybe with something better, but whether or not, we are watching history being made. Get some good wine, something harder, or popcorn if you prefer. Enjoy the show. I think Trump is going to enjoy it, and I double down on saying, “Good on him.”

    I think that you are right.  

    Lincoln said in a different context that a country divided against itself could not stand.  

    While I don’t want you personally out of the Party, however, likely like in 1974 and Nixon, and in 1844 and President John Tyler, it is time for the Trump to leave the party, or for the party to dissolve like the Whig Party in 1856.

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  6. Chuckles Coolidge
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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    How about the 7 Reagan Government shutdowns? A useful tool when framed correctly.

    And the Gingrich Government shutdowns? For the first time in decades, the Republicans retained the majority in the House. In the Senate, they not only held the majority, but increased their majority by 2 seats. The Republicans showed they would actually fight when given the majority, and were rewarded by the voters, who also voted for divided government.

    From The Washington Post:

    Some 70 percent of the federal government — including the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human Services — has already been funded through next September. But numerous other agencies large and small still have not been funded for the 2019 fiscal year as Trump and Democrats squabble over the wall.

    Seventy percent. Seven. Zero. Seventy. 70.

    Wonder if Education and DOE are in the seventy.

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  7. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    While I don’t want you personally out of the Party, however, likely like in 1974 and Nixon, and in 1844 and President John Tyler, it is time for the Trump to leave the party, or for the party to dissolve like the Whig Party in 1856.

    I’ll bet you still refuse to take responsibility for your actions in giving us Trump. Amiright?

    • #67
  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    While I don’t want you personally out of the Party, however, likely like in 1974 and Nixon, and in 1844 and President John Tyler, it is time for the Trump to leave the party, or for the party to dissolve like the Whig Party in 1856.

    I’ll bet you still refuse to take responsibility for your actions in giving us Trump. Amiright?

    Yes.  You are right.  I am not responsible in any way, shape or form for Trump.

    All I did was (a) have a successful life in a locale that would support me, and (b) work for the party, walk precincts, run for office and give money, and then this lunatic came in and executed a hostile takeover when half of the party opposed him.

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    How about the 7 Reagan Government shutdowns? A useful tool when framed correctly.

    And the Gingrich Government shutdowns? For the first time in decades, the Republicans retained the majority in the House. In the Senate, they not only held the majority, but increased their majority by 2 seats. The Republicans showed they would actually fight when given the majority, and were rewarded by the voters, who also voted for divided government.

    From The Washington Post:

    Some 70 percent of the federal government — including the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human Services — has already been funded through next September. But numerous other agencies large and small still have not been funded for the 2019 fiscal year as Trump and Democrats squabble over the wall.

    Seventy percent. Seven. Zero. Seventy. 70.

    The National Parks are not protected. How long do you think it will take for there to be camera crews at Grand Canyon National Park or the World War Two Memorial? The Dems have played this game before, and are much better than Trump.

    Just the kind of test needed to demonstrate which of us is right. Do you think Republicans have something to be called a ‘brand’ at this time?

    • #69
  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    How about the 7 Reagan Government shutdowns? A useful tool when framed correctly.

    And the Gingrich Government shutdowns? For the first time in decades, the Republicans retained the majority in the House. In the Senate, they not only held the majority, but increased their majority by 2 seats. The Republicans showed they would actually fight when given the majority, and were rewarded by the voters, who also voted for divided government.

    From The Washington Post:

    Some 70 percent of the federal government — including the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human Services — has already been funded through next September. But numerous other agencies large and small still have not been funded for the 2019 fiscal year as Trump and Democrats squabble over the wall.

    Seventy percent. Seven. Zero. Seventy. 70.

    The National Parks are not protected. How long do you think it will take for there to be camera crews at Grand Canyon National Park or the World War Two Memorial? The Dems have played this game before, and are much better than Trump.

    Just the kind of test needed to demonstrate which of us is right. Do you think Republicans have something to be called a ‘brand’ at this time?

    Everyone has a brand, and we allowed Trump to come into the party and take it over with the “plurality wins all delegates” scheme.  The RNC should have moved to proportionate voting and “freedom of choice” at the National Convention.

    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan.  I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

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  11. Brian Watt Inactive
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    This video analyzing the body language of the Oval Office meeting is a lot more comprehensive than what the other news outlets have released, because the President talks specifically about what sections of the border have been reinforced by new wall construction and what the effect has been. Enjoy.

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan. I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    And I am against it. Reagan was good. The “Party of Reagan” is not so good.  

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan. I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    And I am against it. Reagan was good. The “Party of Reagan” is not so good.


    The Reticulator (View Comment)
    :

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan. I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    And I am against it. Reagan was good. The “Party of Reagan” is not so good.

    See you in New Hampshire!

    Reagan won in 1980 with 60% of the vote, Trump won in 2016 with 35%.

    MY ERROR:  Reagan won New Hampshire with some 50% of the vote.  His overall vote in all Republican Primaries was 59.8%.

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  14. Fritz Coolidge
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    The media and the Dems (but I repeat myself) clutch their pearls and claim the big story here is that “tempers flared,” and the players were “yelling” at each other.

    Not how I saw it at all. I watched it live, and I saw a master negotiator positioning his opponents for all to see that no matter how loudly they may claim to want “border security” what they really mean is “border  [wink, wink] security” with no more wall, no more military backing up border patrol, and less ICE.

    In the immediate aftermath, reports appeared that House Republicans are putting together a bill for $5 billion for the Wall —  let’s get that passed and make the Senate take the friggin’ vote.

     

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    Fritz (View Comment):

    The media and the Dems (but I repeat myself) clutch their pearls and claim the big story here is that “tempers flared,” and the players were “yelling” at each other.

    Not how I saw it at all. I watched it live, and I saw a master negotiator positioning his opponents for all to see that no matter how loudly they may claim to want “border security” what they really mean is “border [wink, wink] security” with no more wall, no more military backing up border patrol, and less ICE.

    In the immediate aftermath, reports appeared that House Republicans are putting together a bill for $5 billion for the Wall — let’s get that passed and make the Senate take the friggin’ vote.

    I saw Chuck and Nancy, not Trump, being the master negotiators.

    We shall see.

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  16. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan. I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    And I am against it. Reagan was good. The “Party of Reagan” is not so good.


    The Reticulator (View Comment)
    :

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan. I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    And I am against it. Reagan was good. The “Party of Reagan” is not so good.

    See you in New Hampshire!

    Reagan won in 1980 with 60% of the vote, Trump won in 2016 with 35%.

    There is a simple point you keep missing. Here is an analogy. I was hired in the mid-80s by a large aerospace firm that was benefiting greatly from the Reagan build-up. A lot of managers/executives were promoted during that time, promoted past their ability, because anyone could succeed then. Ten years later, it was a different environment. Budgets were slashed, starting in Reagan’s last year, and cuts continued for years. Those managers/executives were lost; they were not – in sports terms – adversity quarterbacks. They couldn’t adapt and only when they left were the necessary changes made.

    In the political environment, today is not 1980. The old-line GOP leaders were as lost as my company’s executives were in the early 1990s. I think Reagan would have been as well, though we will never know for certain. For all his faults, Trump recognized that 2016 is not 1980 and acted accordingly. 

    • #76
  17. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Reagan won in 1980 with 60% of the vote, Trump won in 2016 with 35%.

    Meaning?

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  18. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    I think the old boy is just fed up with GOP sphinctered caudal orifices who won’t support him, and is just going to have a good time for the remainder of his term. As they say down under, “Good on him”.

    And Trump will destroy the Republican Brand as we lose another 41 seats in 2020, another 7 governorships, 400 more legislative seats and control of the Senate.

    In 2018, we lost 2 of 9 Republican seats, and the Democrats lost only 4 of 25 seats. In 2020, we have 22 seats up, and the Democrats have only 12 seats up. The Democrats will win a net 5-8 Senate seats, if we stick with Trump. Good luck with that.

    In the War of the Triple Alliance in 1864-70 Paraguay declared war on three of its neighbors, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, with Paraguay losing a third of their land and half of their population. Perhaps there is a lesson to learn there.

    And perhaps not. As others have pointed out, shut-downs have been a win for us in the past. As has also pointed out, the only thing really wrong with a shutdown of non-essential Federal Government services (mail, military, public works)  is that it would not be permanent. 

     

    • #78
  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Reagan won in 1980 with 60% of the vote, Trump won in 2016 with 35%.

    Meaning?

    The New Hampshire Primary will be upon us soon.  

    On March 12, 1968, LBJ beat Eugene McCarthy 49-42%.  Bobbie Kennedy jumped into the nomination fight on June 16, 1968.  LBJ withdrew from seeking the nomination a few days later.

    What if Jeff Flake or Ben Sasse ran against Trump, and held him down to a 49-42% margin?  Would Mitt Romney jump in?  Would Trump withdraw especially if his son had been indicted?  

    • #79
  20. La Tapada Member
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    Eustace C. Scrubb (View Comment):
    https://babylonbee.com/news/mike-pence-silently-praying-imprecatory-psalms

    Ha ha ha ha!!

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  21. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Reagan won in 1980 with 60% of the vote, Trump won in 2016 with 35%.

    Meaning?

    The New Hampshire Primary will be upon us soon.

    On March 12, 1968, LBJ beat Eugene McCarthy 49-42%. Bobbie Kennedy jumped into the nomination fight on June 16, 1968. LBJ withdrew from seeking the nomination a few days later.

    What if Jeff Flake or Ben Sasse ran against Trump, and held him down to a 49-42% margin? Would Mitt Romney jump in? Would Trump withdraw especially if his son had been indicted?

    Supposing the FBI sent in a SWAT team and gunned down Trump’s family and supporters. Would Trump run for re-election under those circumstances?  

    • #81
  22. Bob Thompson Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan. I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    And I am against it. Reagan was good. The “Party of Reagan” is not so good.


    The Reticulator (View Comment)
    :

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan. I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    And I am against it. Reagan was good. The “Party of Reagan” is not so good.

    See you in New Hampshire!

    Reagan won in 1980 with 60% of the vote, Trump won in 2016 with 35%.

    There is a simple point you keep missing. Here is an analogy. I was hired in the mid-80s by a large aerospace firm that was benefiting greatly from the Reagan build-up. A lot of managers/executives were promoted during that time, promoted past their ability, because anyone could succeed then. Ten years later, it was a different environment. Budgets were slashed, starting in Reagan’s last year, and cuts continued for years. Those managers/executives were lost; they were not – in sports terms – adversity quarterbacks. They couldn’t adapt and only when they left were the necessary changes made.

    In the political environment, today is not 1980. The old-line GOP leaders were as lost as my company’s executives were in the early 1990s. I think Reagan would have been as well, though we will never know for certain. For all his faults, Trump recognized that 2016 is not 1980 and acted accordingly.

    I saw, can’t remember where, some commentary saying that many, if not most, millennials, while entrepreneurial at a higher rate than older generations because of available technology, are also very amenable to socialism. That’s likely a reasonable expectation, albeit perhaps a danger to American national security because of a lack of understanding of threats posed by nations like China. Even now, I would be surprised if many have knowledge that would support any understanding of why some consider Russia a threat. There is little to show they understand why governments like those in Cuba, Central America, and Venezuela are typical examples of governments that forbid the exercise of freedom of choice by individuals that is the standard in America. The millennials are followers at this stage and do not have the requisite understanding. The leaders of the Left do understand what will happen if they prevail and they support that outcome. Our culture has become so comfortable that danger goes unrecognized. 

    • #82
  23. Django Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Right now Trump is trying to subsume the brand built up by Ronald Reagan. I am for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    And I am against it. Reagan was good. The “Party of Reagan” is not so good.


    The Reticulator (View Comment)
    :

    See you in New Hampshire!

    Reagan won in 1980 with 60% of the vote, Trump won in 2016 with 35%.

    There is a simple point you keep missing. Here is an analogy. I was hired in the mid-80s by a large aerospace firm that was benefiting greatly from the Reagan build-up. A lot of managers/executives were promoted during that time, promoted past their ability, because anyone could succeed then. Ten years later, it was a different environment. Budgets were slashed, starting in Reagan’s last year, and cuts continued for years. Those managers/executives were lost; they were not – in sports terms – adversity quarterbacks. They couldn’t adapt and only when they left were the necessary changes made.

    In the political environment, today is not 1980. The old-line GOP leaders were as lost as my company’s executives were in the early 1990s. I think Reagan would have been as well, though we will never know for certain. For all his faults, Trump recognized that 2016 is not 1980 and acted accordingly.

    I saw, can’t remember where, some commentary saying that many, if not most, millennials, while entrepreneurial at a higher rate than older generations because of available technology, are also very amenable to socialism. That’s likely a reasonable expectation, albeit perhaps a danger to American national security because of a lack of understanding of threats posed by nations like China. Even now, I would be surprised if many have knowledge that would support any understanding of why some consider Russia a threat. There is little to show they understand why governments like those in Cuba, Central America, and Venezuela are typical examples of governments that forbid the exercise of freedom of choice by individuals that is the standard in America. The millennials are followers at this stage and do not have the requisite understanding. The leaders of the Left do understand what will happen if they prevail and they support that outcome. Our culture has become so comfortable that danger goes unrecognized.

    The dumbest people I ever met were left-wing baby-boomers in California. That said, the main characteristic of the Alexandria Occasionally Conscious age group is ignorance coupled with arrogance. They don’t need to learn because they already know everything. I don’t think it will go well for them. Or for us if we get carried along on the wave.

    • #83
  24. Bob Thompson Member
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    Django (View Comment):
    Or for us if we get carried along on the wave.

    That’s the part I don’t like.

    • #84
  25. Steven Seward Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What if Jeff Flake or Ben Sasse ran against Trump, and held him down to a 49-42% margin? Would Mitt Romney jump in? Would Trump withdraw especially if his son had been indicted?

    “If Trump’s son were indicted?”  You are starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist.

    • #85
  26. ST Member
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    @

    It got pretty funny after The Donald said, “Nancy, do you want to say something?”

    • #86
  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    What if Jeff Flake or Ben Sasse ran against Trump, and held him down to a 49-42% margin? Would Mitt Romney jump in? Would Trump withdraw especially if his son had been indicted?

    “If Trump’s son were indicted?” You are starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist.

    I was trying to give a possible scenery for Trump to withdraw.   I should have been more clear. 

    The black helicopters were creating chem-trails outside of my home, so I was distracted.

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  28. Gary Robbins Member
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    ST (View Comment):

    It got pretty funny after The Donald said, “Nancy, do you want to say something?”

    Looking back, I think that this was a fight that all three of them wanted to have.

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  29. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    I dunno. I think that “Chuck and Nancy” maneuvered Trump into saying that he would be proud to shut down the government.

    Also, I think that Pelosi nailed down the Speakership today.

    We can’t spare that man. He fights!

    I remember the Gingrich Government shutdowns of November 14-19, 1995, and December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. That was insane and this is insane.

    How about the 7 Reagan Government shutdowns? A useful tool when framed correctly.

    Reagan was a master of communication. Trump is a buffoon.

    And the Gingrich Government shutdowns? For the first time in decades, the Republicans retained the majority in the House. In the Senate, they not only held the majority, but increased their majority by 2 seats. The Republicans showed they would actually fight when given the majority, and were rewarded by the voters, who also voted for divided government.

    Gingrich was out of government in a little more than 3 years. Clinton got re-elected.

    Your personal feelings about President Trump aside, both Reagan and Trump showed mastery of the media of their time. It is not about Gingrich, who was thrown out by his more establishment members. 

    I showed that the “Gingrich shutdowns” were not insane, and I showed that your favorite president used shutdowns effectively. 

    • #89
  30. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Barry Goldwater, John McCain, Jon Kyl, Jeff Flake.

    All [Two] great Republican Senators from Arizona.

    FIFY

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