Dressing for Success: Wrong?

 

The post on tattoos got me thinking. What is the difference between the ways we choose to dress, the ways in which we personally groom, and even tattoos? After all, see how women dress differently before and after Third-Wave Feminism.

It seems to me quite appropriate that people, who are in our society free to choose how they present themselves, are inviting judgment based on those choices. If one dresses Goth, one chooses to fit in with Goths. Everything from long hair to the color of our fingernails to whether or not we shower … they are all ways in which we signal to ourselves, and others, how we view them.

I merely use the data that people supply. A woman who dresses cheaply is telling us how she views herself, and telling others the same thing — which helps everyone to prioritize how they invest their time. Someone who does not shower either lacks a sense of smell, friends who care about them, or any desire to attract people who don’t care for body odour.

Are my preferences really as @phenry labeled them: “Judgemental, closed minded, and full of a sense of superiority?”

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  1. Whistle Pig Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    Most people do? This is news to me. I don’t think it’s typical at all. I’ve never known anyone to react negatively to those kinds of outfits.

    And then there is the traditional garb of another country:

    And you just know Sean Connery’s wearing it properly.

    With a knife?

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  2. JudithannCampbell Member
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    Whistle Pig (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    Most people do? This is news to me. I don’t think it’s typical at all. I’ve never known anyone to react negatively to those kinds of outfits.

    And then there is the traditional garb of another country:

    And you just know Sean Connery’s wearing it properly.

    With a knife?

    Yes, a knife is part of the traditional garb.

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  3. MarciN Member
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    Hank Rhody, Total Rip-off (View Comment):
    Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead

    What does that mean? Was doing that some sort of ancient ritual?

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  4. Steve C. Member
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    I noticed this picture a while back in the Wall Street Journal of people at an Amazon hiring event. Having done quite a bit of interviewing in my corporate years I was astonished at how little effort most of the people put into their appearance. I posted it on social media and the repsponses were interesting. Most people agreed that applicants were hurting their chances by appearing slovenly but someone said that for low wage jobs a company should not expect nice dressers. I think that would be an example of the soft bigotry of low expectations. Your appearance sends a message, whether it’s the one you intend or not.

    I looked at your link: those women were hit by third wave feminism harder than a Mack truck.

    These folks are applying for warehouse jobs. Nobody shows up in a suit and tie for a $12 hr job as a warehouse order puller.

    And Amazon folks earn every penny of what they are paid.

     

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  5. RightAngles Member
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    Hank Rhody, Possibly Mad (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Mitchell Messom (View Comment):
    Thanks, its interesting that many of the translations use the word “tattoo”. With my limited understanding was introduced to the English language in 1700’s when referring to the inking of skin.

    Yes. I am sure the old KJV used a different term.

     

    Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

    Good to know.

    I did not know that.

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  6. Arahant Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Hank Rhody, Total Rip-off (View Comment):
    Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead

    What does that mean? Was doing that some sort of ancient ritual?

    Yes, a pagan ritual.

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  7. Richard Harvester Inactive
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    Mitchell Messom (View Comment):

    Thanks, its interesting that many of the translations use the word “tattoo”. With my limited understanding was introduced to the English language in 1700’s when referring to the inking of skin. There is a prior unrelated meaning of tattoo such as drumming or tapping.

    They have it right. It is from Leviticus. In a very literal reading it is something like:

    “And cuttings to the physical soul you should not give in your flesh, nor writing cuts in it, I am Hashem.”

    The first part could refer to damaging oneself for the dead – or it could more straightforwardly refer to damaging yourself at all. The second part is obviously more general, maybe referring to less damaging inscriptions.

    The unless forced does refer to the Holocaust.

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  8. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    iWe:

    color of our fingernails

    What color are my fingernails supposed to be?

    Fingernail color?

     

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  9. TBA Coolidge
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    iWe:

    color of our fingernails

    What color are my fingernails supposed to be?

    Fingernail color?

    That costs extra. 

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  10. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    Steve C. (View Comment):

    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    I noticed this picture a while back in the Wall Street Journal of people at an Amazon hiring event. Having done quite a bit of interviewing in my corporate years I was astonished at how little effort most of the people put into their appearance. I posted it on social media and the repsponses were interesting. Most people agreed that applicants were hurting their chances by appearing slovenly but someone said that for low wage jobs a company should not expect nice dressers. I think that would be an example of the soft bigotry of low expectations. Your appearance sends a message, whether it’s the one you intend or not.

    I looked at your link: those women were hit by third wave feminism harder than a Mack truck.

    These folks are applying for warehouse jobs. Nobody shows up in a suit and tie for a $12 hr job as a warehouse order puller.

    And Amazon folks earn every penny of what they are paid.

    It’s not that people don’t show up in a coat and tie.  People show up in filthy clothes, unshaved (as opposed to bearded); they clearly make no effort.  You don’t have to be in a suit and tie; you just have to look like you care.  

    Who said Amazon employees don’t earn their pay?  Straw man much?

    I’ve been that guy interviewing people for good blue collar jobs (my company paid $18/per hour in the late 80’s)  – and when you have twenty applicants for every position, everything counts.  I’m sorry that an awful lot of people don’t get that.  I would have people show up an hour late for an interview and get angry when I told them they would not be interviewed. There are all kinds of reasons why someone might not make the cut and to simply abandon one of the easiest to get right from sheer ignorance is a very sad thing.

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  11. TBA Coolidge
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    I’ve been that guy interviewing people for good blue collar jobs (my company paid $18/per hour in the late 80’s) – and when you have twenty applicants for every position, everything counts. I’m sorry that an awful lot of people don’t get that. I would have people show up an hour late for an interview and get angry when I told them they would not be interviewed. There are all kinds of reasons why someone might not make the cut and to simply abandon one of the easiest to get right from sheer ignorance is a very sad thing.

    There are a lot of people now, young and not so very young, who strongly object to wearing suits or formal wear for any reason.

    It’s not the price; suits have never been cheaper and good shoes are considerably more affordable than good sneakers. 

    There are a lot of factors which include some strange forms of class warfare, identity problems, rejection of authority, and a pervasive belief that the system is stacked against…everyone: That rising through the ranks is a joke on any generation after the Boomers, that the 1%/10% or some other difficult to define ‘them’ have all your stuff; so why even try to fake it? 

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  12. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    I’ve been that guy interviewing people for good blue collar jobs (my company paid $18/per hour in the late 80’s) – and when you have twenty applicants for every position, everything counts. I’m sorry that an awful lot of people don’t get that. I would have people show up an hour late for an interview and get angry when I told them they would not be interviewed. There are all kinds of reasons why someone might not make the cut and to simply abandon one of the easiest to get right from sheer ignorance is a very sad thing.

    There are a lot of people now, young and not so very young, who strongly object to wearing suits or formal wear for any reason.

    It’s not the price; suits have never been cheaper and good shoes are considerably more affordable than good sneakers.

    There are a lot of factors which include some strange forms of class warfare, identity problems, rejection of authority, and a pervasive belief that the system is stacked against…everyone: That rising through the ranks is a joke on any generation after the Boomers, that the 1%/10% or some other difficult to define ‘them’ have all your stuff; so why even try to fake it?

    There have always been people like that, and they have always been about as successful as they expect they will be.  It’s nothing new.  Every company, every plant, every work unit has a culture of its own, and if you are the new person it’s incumbent on you to figure it out, not the employer.  

    And again, I’m not talking about formal wear.  I’m talking about combing your hair, shaving, and putting on clean clothes.  If that is too much for someone, they will be failures.  They will always come in behind the people who try.

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  13. TBA Coolidge
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    I’ve been that guy interviewing people for good blue collar jobs (my company paid $18/per hour in the late 80’s) – and when you have twenty applicants for every position, everything counts. I’m sorry that an awful lot of people don’t get that. I would have people show up an hour late for an interview and get angry when I told them they would not be interviewed. There are all kinds of reasons why someone might not make the cut and to simply abandon one of the easiest to get right from sheer ignorance is a very sad thing.

    There are a lot of people now, young and not so very young, who strongly object to wearing suits or formal wear for any reason.

    It’s not the price; suits have never been cheaper and good shoes are considerably more affordable than good sneakers.

    There are a lot of factors which include some strange forms of class warfare, identity problems, rejection of authority, and a pervasive belief that the system is stacked against…everyone: That rising through the ranks is a joke on any generation after the Boomers, that the 1%/10% or some other difficult to define ‘them’ have all your stuff; so why even try to fake it?

    There have always been people like that, and they have always been about as successful as they expect they will be. It’s nothing new. Every company, every plant, every work unit has a culture of its own, and if you are the new person it’s incumbent on you to figure it out, not the employer.

    And again, I’m not talking about formal wear. I’m talking about combing your hair, shaving, and putting on clean clothes. If that is too much for someone, they will be failures. They will always come in behind the people who try.

    I agree with you, but it seems like what was once a counter-cultural view is becoming mainstream. And, yes, I am aware that this has been claimed by every conservative ever. 

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  14. Cow Girl Thatcher
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    JudithannCampbell (View Comment):
    Wow, I was unaware of that. They aren’t kidding when they say that Portland is weird, are they? :)

    One of our daughters lives there. I love to visit her, because Portland has some of the best food anywhere. (Oh, and I love hanging out with my daughter…) But, it is a truly weird place, and Portlanders work to make it so.

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  15. Vicryl Contessa Thatcher
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    Cow Girl (View Comment):

    JudithannCampbell (View Comment):
    Wow, I was unaware of that. They aren’t kidding when they say that Portland is weird, are they? :)

    One of our daughters lives there. I love to visit her, because Portland has some of the best food anywhere. (Oh, and I love hanging out with my daughter…) But, it is a truly weird place, and Portlanders work to make it so.

    It’s really starting on a death spiral now. We’re so glad we got out in time. But I absolutely agree on the food. Apart from NYC, it’s probably the best food scene around.

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